Cap 2011- Time to Cut Players ?

[gatorman]

Not sure where we are as regards the cap for 2011 but with the quality of players becoming available for next year i would have no hesitation in cutting a couple if we are too tight to fund a quality new player.

We are light on as regards frontrowers, maybe light on wingers if tuiaki doesn't come good (although i like pritchard).

Maybe time payten and one or two others moved on to give us space to sign someone of real quality which i reckon we need to step us up to a title.

 

[system]

Where did the list go of guys off contract in which years?

Realistically we are going to have to upgrade Fifita next year one would imagine unless he is locked in for longer.

Having any more under 20's players than absolutley essential on First Grade contracts would be a mistake IMO

 

[alexaki]

From the 2010 25 squad…i'd say bye bye to:
fitz, daniela, moors, brown......>>>definately.
Taumata, tupou,lazarus.....>>>>maybe

bring up the youngsters from bret and wests to replace them

 

[Bismark]

Its actually going to be interesting, seeing we have an extremely promising generation of under 20's that we need to keep, yet have zero first grade experience. Do you bank on your juniors, or do you spend on lima or other quality forwards?

Imo, fitzy was brought in as a utility back. Next year, i think we'll have backs like tuaki back, promoting mullaney as a backup fullback, so that ryan could stay on the wing if need be. I don't see a need for him if we are looking to the future.

Someone like taumata i think we need to keep. If benji gets injured, who would you have at 5/8th? Moltzen/lui would look awkward for mine.

 

[Yossarian]

from the 2010 25 squad…i'd say bye bye to:
fitz, daniela, moors, brown......>>>definately.
Taumata, tupou,lazarus.....>>>>maybe

bring up the youngsters from bret and wests to replace them

depends on contact length and money. I doubt taumata or tupou would be costing much. They may even just be on bret or magpies contracts. Daniela and brown i'd think would be signed up for at least 2 years.

Have to be careful with buying wingers - are there too many available that are better than the nyc wingers?

 

[system]

Tame is the real question mark for me.

I have no reasoning to explain it but I feel if he gets on the field he will be a revelation at prop. Also if Cayless is able to put some size back on than we have two guys who will go well for minimal outlay and still allow us to continue a proper development path for our 20's forwards to see if they are really up to it before giving them decent coin

 

[Guest]

Brown, Daniela, Cayless and Taumata all signed 2 year deals. Fitzy is here for this year only and unlikely to stay on next year. Tupou is also an interesting predicament because he's only here for this year but is very close to returning. If he can stay injury free and regain some form, he could well be worth hanging onto. Apparently his speed is still pretty good, so as far as front rowers go, he'll be quick, and the bloke is seriously solid. Tupou also has age on his side compared to Cayless…Just not sold on him so far, he has looked way underdone and probably should have missed the first few rounds to work on strength and conditioning. I'm not convinced he'll see out his contract at this stage.

 

[Chris]

Realistically we are going to have to upgrade Fifita next year one would imagine unless he is locked in for longer.

Totally agreed! I'd rather the club sew him up sooner rather than later. Evil forces such as Manly, Roosters and Khoder Nasser would be lurking around him like leeches before you know it!

 

[clontarfkid]

tame is the real question mark for me.

I have no reasoning to explain it but i feel if he gets on the field he will be a revelation at prop. Also if cayless is able to put some size back on than we have two guys who will go well for minimal outlay and still allow us to continue a proper development path for our 20's forwards to see if they are really up to it before giving them decent coin

i know he isnt costing much,but a winger with a long term dodgy knee who has never played in the forwards before,let alone prop,has gotta be a real long shot to me to be a "revelation"
as for cayless,ive said elsewhere im astonished we signed the "shrinking man "with a long term dodgy shoulder for two seasons..theres half a dozen kids id rather give a chance to in lower grades,particularly given that our no1 prop forward is so injury prone

 

[AndTheKungFoSing]

Tupou is also an interesting predicament because he's only here for this year but is very close to returning. If he can stay injury free and regain some form, he could well be worth hanging onto. Apparently his speed is still pretty good, so as far as front rowers go, he'll be quick, and the bloke is seriously solid.

He made Tuiaki look like a child when he stood next to him… he's friggin huge!

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

where did the list go of guys off contract in which years?

Realistically we are going to have to upgrade fifita next year one would imagine unless he is locked in for longer.

Having any more under 20's players than absolutley essential on first grade contracts would be a mistake imo

long term contract to fifita should be number 1 priority for our club followed by extending chris lawrence's contract.

Making sure we keep the right 20's players will be tough as other clubs will be sniffing around. For mine murdorch, hyland (i know we have a ton of back-rowers but i feel this kid has something) and woods are the must keeps followed by mullaney.

Realistically we will not have a lot to spend on players next year unless we cut cayless, brown and daniella (all 3 are really not needed).

We should be after a good young prop (snowden or tolman) for the forwards and maybe a centre/winger for the backs (hopefully they will also be a top goal-kicker). I for one would be happy if we only got one of the two props i mentioned for next years recruitment.

Our club is building it's future on our juniors and i think long term that is the way to go. I think by adding lote and ellis in the last few years our club has recruited very well as both of these guys have added much needed experience to our squad.

 

[Guest]

Tupou is also an interesting predicament because he's only here for this year but is very close to returning. If he can stay injury free and regain some form, he could well be worth hanging onto. Apparently his speed is still pretty good, so as far as front rowers go, he'll be quick, and the bloke is seriously solid.

He made Tuiaki look like a child when he stood next to him… he's friggin huge!

Yeah, he's got a similar build to Taniela except he's about 4 inches taller and 10kg heavier.

 

[boonboon]

The only players off contract next year are tnt , fitzy, moors, flannagan and blake lazarus

if it was me fitzy, lazarus, moors all definatly go - tnt while i love him it all depends how he comes back although mayby if he struggles but we think he'll improve we might get him cheap while flannagan is a certainty

i think we could also hopefully release cayless to be replaced by an upgraded fifita in the top squad and tame tupou or one of the young blokes again stepping up

i think a young winger with speed from the 20s or pehraps mullaney on the wing could eb a merritt type player

 

[ron_burgandy]

willow, if fitzy isnt in the plans for 2011 like you suggested then doesnt it make his constant selection ahead of other players more worthy even more mind boggling?

 

[Guest]

willow, if fitzy isnt in the plans for 2011 like you suggested then doesnt it make his constant selection ahead of other players more worthy even more mind boggling?

Absolutely, make no mistake ron, if I was choosing the side, Fitzy would not be in my 17\. No disrespect to the bloke, but if I'm looking for a winger then I'll take Brown or Pritchard before Fitzy, they're quicker, stronger and offer more as genuine wing options. And if I was going to run with a back on the bench, I'd be using 3 forwards consisting of two props and one backrower, and my back on the bench would be Taumata, I'd use him in a similar fashion to Ben Barba, bring him on when the opposition tires and let him roam.

Back to reality though, Fitzy is here for this year and Sheens appears adamant on using him, for reasons unknown to most of us.

 

[Gobbs]

Out:

fitzhenry
brown
daniela
cayless
moors

in:

mullaney
murdoch
pritchard
j.schirnack
mataka

 

[Guest]

The only players off contract next year are tnt , fitzy, moors, flannagan and blake lazarus

if it was me fitzy, lazarus, moors all definatly go - tnt while i love him it all depends how he comes back although mayby if he struggles but we think he'll improve we might get him cheap while flannagan is a certainty

i think we could also hopefully release cayless to be replaced by an upgraded fifita in the top squad and tame tupou or one of the young blokes again stepping up

i think a young winger with speed from the 20s or pehraps mullaney on the wing could eb a merritt type player

Fitzy and TNT are off contract this year. I expect only one of them to be re-signed.

 

[alex]

Need to keep flanagan and fifita.

Get rid of fitzy, daniela and brown. That's an easy $250,000? Only guessing but that seems like what it'd be around.

 

[Spartan117]

out:

fitzhenry
brown
daniela
cayless
moors

in:

mullaney
murdoch
pritchard
j.schirnack
mataka

for me - 2011
fitzhenry - cya
daniela - cya

cayless - keep (if on a comparitivly low contract)

moors - jury out leaning towards cya - really has to get his stats up. Welack the man who bends the line and with moors frame i was really hoping he would be the man.

I have very little knowledge about the youngsters so i will defer to other "older heads" on the forum for their opininon,

the forums call on andrew fifita was excellent yet some have been raving on about blake laz for months and credibility was damaged.

We need size…

Why keep any of the following ????

Mullaney
murdoch
pritchard
j.schirnack
mataka

 

[Guest]

Murdoch is massive and only very young still. He may very well qualify for NYC still next year but don't quote me on that. His potential is huge though with his build and the power that he has. Personally if he develops the way Andrew Fifita has, then he could be coming off the bench in FG in 2 years time, maybe earlier…Depends on injuries to other players and how he develops. Junior Roqica is another to watch. He's bulked up sufficiently to play front row in the NYC this year and trained fulltime with the top squad during the off-season.

There are some sizeable junior players coming through with plenty of talent but at the moment they're all probably around the 2 year mark from playing FG depending on how rapid and significant their improvement is.

Hard to see the club letting Mullaney go, they've got big wraps on him but I think they will try and let him develop a bit more and put some muscle on as he's only a small fella. Some argue he is ready now, but physically he will be too easily dominated in FG. Jason Schirnack is worth keeping at this stage, he's only 20 and has good potential to play in the backrow, he's aggressive too which is a plus. Pritchard should probably be playing on the wing this Sunday, or Brown, I'd be happy with either based on current form.