Chris Lawrence let down by Tigers

[tigertye]

I'm pretty sure Chris has his own business as a personal trainer. The bloke would know his own body more than anyone, and I'm sure would be doing all the extras to try and get himself right.

I've said this before and this is from the man himself. The problem IS NOT his hip injury. The problem is his hammies. He now struggles to stretch out and gain speed, his agility and lateral movement has also suffered big time, he's told me this himself. I think he may need to decrease his weight to get back to his best.

I got a bit over defending him this year. But I think a massive reason for some of his form is due to the blokes he's had defending inside and outside of him the last few years. He's had juniors playing next to him for years, Koro, Brooks for eg. And had to cover their mistakes if they rushed up and in.

In attack, he also hasn't had a lot of great ball. We all know Chris runs some of the best lines at the club. Benji threw him balls when his opposite was already in Chris's face. In recent seasons I've noticed he's had to run over guys to make a break, because he seems to be playing in very limited space with no room to turn the defenders inside out and gotten no good early ball.

Chris is one of the strongest and biggest hitters in the club. If he can't manage to get his speed and agility back then an edge backrower may be the move required.

I've always had a soft spot for Chris, hate bagging the guy and hoped he would get back to his best but I'm really not sure anymore. It could go either way because of his injuries. Id be prepared to see how he goes for another season before I completely give up on the guy.

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[DonnyBrasco]

I'm pretty sure almost every fan loves what the bloke has done on and off the field in the past, but you can't pick players because of nostalgia.
If they are not the best player in that position, they shouldn't be there, no matter how much they earn, how pretty they, are or any other reason.

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[innsaneink]

I'm pretty sure almost every fan loves what the bloke has done on and off the field in the past, but you can't pick players because of nostalgia.
If they are not the best player in that position, they shouldn't be there, **no matter how much they earn,** how pretty they, are or any other reason.

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Salary cap says otherwise

 

[hybrid_tiger]

The excuses made for this guy are simply unbelievable.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

He is still young enough to come back to top form … But it must happen next season.

The old Chris Lawrence is never coming back. Anyone still holding out help is in denial to put it bluntly.

 

[Newtown]

I'm pretty sure almost every fan loves what the bloke has done on and off the field in the past, but you can't pick players because of nostalgia.
If they are not the best player in that position, they shouldn't be there, **no matter how much they earn,** how pretty they, are or any other reason.

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Salary cap says otherwise

I am not sure whether I have interpreted your statement correctly. Does your statement mean that because Chris Lawrence is taking up a significant portion of the club's salary cap and is not playing well he has to be;
1\. Continually, on a week to week basis, selected in first grade.
2\. A young talented, fully fit centre currently playing in State Cup or u/20's cannot replace him in first grade?

 

[Tigertigertiger]

Dam thought the club was releasing him

 

[TrueTiger]

Chris,will never be the centre he used to be,however if the WTs are going to continue paying him and selecting him in the NRL side then he must earn his position with far better performances or he may have to go to State Cup or be moved on..
He has been fantastic in the early years and the injury that he had has really affected his playing ability..
WTs are a business,if we want to progress to a successful level,some unpopular decisions have to be made…

What is popular,is not always right....What is Right,is not always popular...... 😱pen_mouth: :sign:

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The only thing that's ever going to save him is shifting into the backrow. For a time it seemed like an option he should consider, now he has no choice. He's been average due to his injury for 3 yrs, its quite clear the damage that was done has proven to be permanent damage. He's not a centre anymore, his injury has changed his physical capabilities, and both he and the club need to realize and accept it.

 

[balmain boy]

FFS, are people still blaming those around him for his defence? Maybe it was Chris' rushing in which made other players look crap? Maybe it was Chris' inability to move to his side which makes other players miss tackles.

The fact is that if his opponent isn't standing directly in front of him Chris probably won't be able to tackle him. Front on is all he's got.

His decision making in defence is worse than anyone else in the 17.

If he can't get his body right this off season then he must have no shot at the backs. We are light in the back row so he can fill in there. If he still can't even perform there he plays NSW Cup and someone better gets a shot.

It's that simple. Austin and Gavet played a lot from the 2nd tier last season. So we treat Lawrence as injured and play someone from the other tier.

 

[barra]

KS,agree to a point,but also he needs a confidence boost after the severe injury he had,and this does take time although he seemed to have enough time to produce better performances.I believe and some won't agree with me that Lote had bad injuries and did nothing for us during his time with us,the chance he has been given at Souths he has produced great football and is older than Rowdy,I contribute this to hard work under Maguire and very good S&C facilities,and also CONFIDENCE in your playing ability… :smiley: :sign:

I couldn't agree more. Lote Tuqiri has gone from strength to strength since joining Souths, and I'm sure that is due to better facilities.

He spent most of his time with us on the sideline, what a waste and a shame. Lets hope you are right about Chris L and we can get him back to his former self (as a player) once again this would be a waste of great potential if we don't :exclamation: :blush:

tuqiri's only problem when playing with us was that stupid arm guard he was wearing.. every time he tried to catch the ball it would bounce straight off it. everything else was ok before he had it.

Not totally MTD, Lote was also allowed back into the team after injuries well underdone. At Souths he was made to work very hard to get his position, and that extra fitness (and obviously the hunger he found) would have also made a huge difference. So I think you both have a point.

But unfortunately I will be surprised if Chris can turn around his form so easily…

 

[Doc_Tiger]

Chris has been a brillant payer for the West Tigers. Lets hope this break will give him plenty of rest to recover from his previous injuries.Hope he will return to his best form for us. He is one with great attitude, lets hope his body will listen to him and he will return to his best form ever, the one that we know, not the recent crap.

Yeah, 4 years isn't enough. He needs more right? Another couple perhaps? :crazy

 

[innsaneink]

I'm pretty sure almost every fan loves what the bloke has done on and off the field in the past, but you can't pick players because of nostalgia.
If they are not the best player in that position, they shouldn't be there, **no matter how much they earn,** how pretty they, are or any other reason.

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Salary cap says otherwise

I am not sure whether I have interpreted your statement correctly. Does your statement mean that because Chris Lawrence is taking up a significant portion of the club's salary cap and is not playing well he has to be;
1\. Continually, on a week to week basis, selected in first grade.
2\. A young talented, fully fit centre currently playing in State Cup or u/20's cannot replace him in first grade?

There is a lot of pressure on coaches to select players higher up the salary order…like it or not its a fact, it doesnt preclude him or anyone from being dropped...but it is what it is
Him being dropped also does not automatically mean his replacement performs satisfacorily.

There is much much more to this game than we all see (80mins)
I recall farah giving Anasta the biggest rap possible despite him playing like garbage, it was not just talk, it was genuine and sincere

 

[TrueTiger]

It all comes down to contractual agreements and the higher amounts of money's paid to players,is why we see them on the ground week to week…...even if some do underperform at times..

INK...question for you if you can answer it please..

When a player is contracted to a particular club at the NRL level and he is given a say 2 year contract,would it say in the contract he will only play at NRL level unless he is injured or is their a broader scope in the contract ?

I have never seen an NRL contract so I don't know,hence the question

 

[happy_tiger]

You might find if a TPA was involved in Rowdys contract that they might pull the pin if Rowdy gets dropped

Then we may be forced to cover the shortfall

This is the last year of his contract as far as I know as well

 

[softlaw]

You might find if a TPA was involved in Rowdys contract that they might pull the pin if Rowdy gets dropped

Then we may be forced to cover the shortfall

This is the last year of his contract as far as I know as well

If we have to cover a TPA shortfall then it's an illegal TPA. It can;t be guaranteed by the club in any way. (doesn;t mean that the club hasn;t given some sort of undertaking but we'd better not be caught)

 

[hobbo]

You might find if a TPA was involved in Rowdys contract that they might pull the pin if Rowdy gets dropped

Then we may be forced to cover the shortfall

This is the last year of his contract as far as I know as well

He's contracted until the end of 2016 .

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[innsaneink]

It all comes down to contractual agreements and the higher amounts of money's paid to players,is why we see them on the ground week to week…...even if some do underperform at times..

INK...question for you if you can answer it please..

When a player is contracted to a particular club at the NRL level and he is given a say 2 year contract,would it say in the contract he will only play at NRL level unless he is injured or is their a broader scope in the contract ?

I have never seen an NRL contract so I don't know,hence the question

Not too sure on your question TT…if the scenario exists it would be rare Id imaging and only apply to marquee players...though managers with a bit of sway for their client could probably convince a club to include anything they want - within reason - in the contract

 

[TrueTiger]

Thanks Ink,appreciate the response….

 

[LaT]

You might find if a TPA was involved in Rowdys contract that they might pull the pin if Rowdy gets dropped

**Then we may be forced to cover the shortfall**

This is the last year of his contract as far as I know as well

Massively illegal under cap rules.