Cleary - One Home Ground..

[Furious1]

IMO and it is only my opinion, it was absolutely ludicrous to redevelop Parramatta Stadium with ANZ 10 minutes up the rd. Penrith or Campbelltown should have been the recipients of the new stadium. Having said that, the horse has well and truely bolted there.

It's a no brainer for me, we must find a way to develop and play 9 or 10 home games a year at Campbelltown. Some say the people don't come, well thats because the area has never properley been embraced by Wests Tigers either. Lets right the wrongs of the past and plan an awesome future. The airport will be at Badgerys Creek. The Northern Rd is undergoing huge upgrades and residential and commercial development is everywhere.
Get on board.
P.S All my memories from when i was a kid are Leichhardt watching Balmain. Loved every minute of it ( thanks dad). I was also a young man when the Sydney Tigers played out of Parramatta. Yuuuuk!!! Never again.

 

[JD Tiger]

IMO and it is only my opinion, it was absolutely ludicrous to redevelop Parramatta Stadium with ANZ 10 minutes up the rd. Penrith or Campbelltown should have been the recipients of the new stadium. Having said that, the horse has well and truely bolted there.

It's a no brainer for me, we must find a way to develop and play 9 or 10 home games a year at Campbelltown. Some say the people don't come, well thats because the area has never properley been embraced by Wests Tigers either. Lets right the wrongs of the past and plan an awesome future. The airport will be at Badgerys Creek. The Northern Rd is undergoing huge upgrades and residential and commercial development is everywhere.
Get on board.
P.S All my memories from when i was a kid are Leichhardt watching Balmain. Loved every minute of it ( thanks dad). I was also a young man when the Sydney Tigers played out of Parramatta. Yuuuuk!!! Never again.

I was a Balmain tragic, and have fond memories of Leichhardt, but yes we need one main ground and I agree it should be at Campbelltown.

Consider this, the NRL does the draw and gives us in our only 3 Leichhardt games this year the Cows, the Titans and the Dragons. Only 1 Sydney team, only 1 advantage out of 3\. Wasted opportunity.

We need to settle on Campbo, then offer to the league as some others have mentioned here that we can play a heritage round or some rounds similar at Leichhardt if its vs someone local to give the game meaning.

 

[westy81]

I wouldnt be to happy if they moved all gmes to one venue, as i can only go to the campbelltown games as i start work early in the morning and work every weekend

If they did move all games to either the new Parramatta or ANZ i wouldnt be able to attend any games, and would have to watch all games on TV

I understand every club needs to finacially be able to sustain themself in the NRL

 

[Snake]

Emotion will be taken out of the equation when this is decided …the corporate world want nothing to do with Liechardt or Campbelltown! This decision will be made on a business basis the bottom line will decide this as it should ,the club has been more than generous over the past 18 yrs ....time to move on to a new era .

 

[hammertime]

Hopefully someone is in the know how and can reasonably answer my questions

1\. What does ANZ Stadium pay the club to play there?

Presuming attendance is at 70% of capacity at Campbelltown Stadium and Leichhardt Oval

2\. What does it translate in dollar terms to the club at each venue individually?

ANZ pays us money mate because they have a bunch of corporates and private members who pay annually for boxes and seating. Probably the same with outsourced food vendors. They need events for that revenue to keep coming in and particularly for viewers to see the advertising around the ground.

Local grounds don't have that kind of regular revenue because they don't have the same facilities and events. I think we actually make a loss at these grounds because we have to hire things in and the councils charge us for use.

Not sure what the rates were. I think ANZ might be $250k p.a.

For me, our one ground should be ANZ. I agree with the previous poster, playing at parra erodes a sense of our identify. ANZ is in the middle of our two areas and has a neutral identity.

 

[Abraham]

ANZ pays us money mate because they have a bunch of corporates and private members who pay annually for boxes and seating. Probably the same with outsourced food vendors. They need events for that revenue to keep coming in and particularly for viewers to see the advertising around the ground.

Local grounds don't have that kind of regular revenue because they don't have the same facilities and events. I think we actually make a loss at these grounds because we have to hire things in and the councils charge us for use.

Not sure what the rates were. I think ANZ might be $250k p.a.

For me, our one ground should be ANZ. I agree with the previous poster, playing at parra erodes a sense of our identify. ANZ is in the middle of our two areas and has a neutral identity.

Is ANZ technically in the Balmain junior catchment area?

It also has a stack of restaurants and hotels within walking distance, and the best public transport options of any ground in the League.

If it could be better designed as a Rugby League Ground, and give the fans some atmosphere, it could be a winner in the long term.

I agree with Snake, this will be a Corporate decision, and that means one of the "Super Stadiums" will come out on top.

 

[Snake]

Hopefully someone is in the know how and can reasonably answer my questions

1\. What does ANZ Stadium pay the club to play there?

Presuming attendance is at 70% of capacity at Campbelltown Stadium and Leichhardt Oval

2\. What does it translate in dollar terms to the club at each venue individually?

ANZ pays us money mate because they have a bunch of corporates and private members who pay annually for boxes and seating. Probably the same with outsourced food vendors. They need events for that revenue to keep coming in and particularly for viewers to see the advertising around the ground.

Local grounds don't have that kind of regular revenue because they don't have the same facilities and events. I think we actually make a loss at these grounds because we have to hire things in and the councils charge us for use.

Not sure what the rates were. I think ANZ might be $250k p.a.

For me, our one ground should be ANZ. I agree with the previous poster, playing at parra erodes a sense of our identify. ANZ is in the middle of our two areas and has a neutral identity.

If there was going to be any inducements it would be at the Western Sydney stadiums the government want 2 clubs playing out of there …..I called this stadium as it is ,the people of NSW own this and the state government under the trust will run and maintain it ...Get over the Parramatta club issue it is a non event this is 2018 not 1960!

 

[hobbo]

Hopefully someone is in the know how and can reasonably answer my questions

1\. What does ANZ Stadium pay the club to play there?

Presuming attendance is at 70% of capacity at Campbelltown Stadium and Leichhardt Oval

2\. What does it translate in dollar terms to the club at each venue individually?

ANZ pays us money mate because they have a bunch of corporates and private members who pay annually for boxes and seating. Probably the same with outsourced food vendors. They need events for that revenue to keep coming in and particularly for viewers to see the advertising around the ground.

Local grounds don't have that kind of regular revenue because they don't have the same facilities and events. I think we actually make a loss at these grounds because we have to hire things in and the councils charge us for use.

Not sure what the rates were. I think ANZ might be $250k p.a.

For me, our one ground should be ANZ. I agree with the previous poster, playing at parra erodes a sense of our identify. ANZ is in the middle of our two areas and has a neutral identity.

ANZ throw in 100k per game .
You'll never see me at the new Parra stadium .. Just the thought makes me wanna throw up !

If people want better facilities at our surbuban grounds it should be up to the local councils to improve the facilities to attract more punters in . local rate payers are already paying overs for nothing in return .

 

[Silentio]

Hopefully someone is in the know how and can reasonably answer my questions

1\. What does ANZ Stadium pay the club to play there?

Presuming attendance is at 70% of capacity at Campbelltown Stadium and Leichhardt Oval

2\. What does it translate in dollar terms to the club at each venue individually?

Not this year's figures, but close enough:

ANZ- $125k guaranteed ticket sales and $70k corporate - costs $15k per game
LO - $200k for a sellout and $50k corporate - costs $65k per game
Ctown - $175k for a sellout and $50k corporate - costs $70k per game

ANZ is pretty much always better financially.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Hopefully someone is in the know how and can reasonably answer my questions

1\. What does ANZ Stadium pay the club to play there?

Presuming attendance is at 70% of capacity at Campbelltown Stadium and Leichhardt Oval

2\. What does it translate in dollar terms to the club at each venue individually?

Not this year's figures, but close enough:

ANZ- $125k guaranteed ticket sales and $70k corporate - costs $15k per game
LO - $200k for a sellout and $50k corporate - costs $65k per game
Ctown - $175k for a sellout and $50k corporate - costs $70k per game

ANZ is pretty much always better financially.

That’s interesting reading. I spoke to our last CEO (can’t remember the clowns name). The ANZ figures you quote were what he said but he told me every time we play Leichhardt or Campbelltown we break even at best.
PS - just remembered: Grant Meyer

 

[Guest]

If we play at Parra we should be operationally & training based at Cambo… If a COE gets built at Concord we can kiss Macarthur goodbye.
Ideally Cambo would be upgraded for us solely

I agree Ink. Love watching footy at Leichhardt, but Campbelltown has space to redevelop and upgrade and you could really turn that place into a 30,000 seat fortress with the right planning and a bit of cash.

 

[Russell]

Glad you're not running the show Russ.

Do you mean leeches?

Yep there the ones - suck you dry, give you nothing.

Like they complain we don't give to the area, we spend heaps of time in the schools in that region etc. and then the crowds don't turn up at our Campbelltown games.

Why would we bother?????

 

[Geo]

Ummmmmmmmm…..

My head hurts...

 

[hobbo]

Ummmmmmmmm…..

My head hurts...

Why am I not surprised :laughing:

 

[Russell]

There seems to be + and - for most scenarios and most people are leaning towards the ones that is best for them. That's ok.

As it stands, Campbelltown does not draw the crowd it should. If it is upgraded who pays for this. We pay for use. The Council (wouldn't think they would be tipping the till very much), the State government (think they have pulled their horns in now over funding grounds). This pretty much leaves it as it is.

Leichhardt oval holds 20,000 an gets about 14+ on a sunny Sunday afternoon if they are playing reasonable footy. However the NRL/TV insist on Thursday nights (like tonight), Saturday night (like the next game there), one game to NZ (lost to Leichhardt) and so one Sunday arvo game - hardly a fair go for the ground. We pay to use. Not enough parking (that is BS as I have never had a problem in 63 years. They have toilets, beer and pies to cover you for 90 minutes. What do people expect.

ANZ - hopeless to watch League and usually no atmosphere. Good for public transport, kiosks ans toilets. Yep we get paid to play there for our home games. That deals finishes this year and no guarantee it will continue. It is supposed to be updated by the State Government but not to the extent of a rebuild - I believe it has been reduced to a superficial renovation.

Western Stadium - who knows - looks like it maybe good when finished. It is not going to be owned by Parramatta - they will play there the same as any other team (apart from being in Parramatta it would be no different than ANZ. Parking would be limited due to council metres, what facilities would be like ? - you would assume at least as good as ANZ. We would have to pay to hire the ground one would think.

So where do we go ???????

My vote goes to 6 at Campbelltown, and 6 at Leichhardt. (1 of these at Tamworth and one ? if Broncos etc take some of their home games to the bush or forget it).

St. George make Kogarah and WIN work - why can't we with the assistance of the respective councils (we would soon see who our friends are).

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Would love to see us based out of Ctown, but i have long given up hope of that. I remember reading an article way back in 1999, before the decision to become a joint venture was made, and before Souths were kicked out, when teams heads were still on the chopping block, i read an article talking about how essential it was not to lose the McArthur region due to its population. And that was 20 years ago. The population has doubled since then.

I would have thought we'd have based ourselves out there by about 2006-07, but no. Ever since its always felt like a couple years away. But i think it was 3 or 4 years ago i finally realised the club has no interest. For an area as big as it is, and is only going to get bigger, i think its insanity. Im not advocating completely discarding LO, you could easily do what the Bulldogs do with Belmore and take 2 or 3 games there a year. The inner city is too congested, too many teams. You would think there would be an appeal to adopt an area that is the size of a small city and make it your own.

 

[Geo]

There seems to be + and - for most scenarios and most people are leaning towards the ones that is best for them. That's ok.

As it stands, Campbelltown does not draw the crowd it should. If it is upgraded who pays for this. We pay for use. The Council (wouldn't think they would be tipping the till very much), the State government (think they have pulled their horns in now over funding grounds). This pretty much leaves it as it is.

Leichhardt oval holds 20,000 an gets about 14+ on a sunny Sunday afternoon if they are playing reasonable footy. However the **NRL/TV insist on Thursday nights** (like tonight), Saturday night (like the next game there), one game to NZ (lost to Leichhardt) and so one Sunday arvo game - hardly a fair go for the ground. We pay to use. Not enough parking (that is BS as I have never had a problem in 63 years. They have toilets, beer and pies to cover you for 90 minutes. What do people expect.

ANZ - hopeless to watch League and usually no atmosphere. Good for public transport, kiosks ans toilets. Yep we get paid to play there for our home games. That deals finishes this year and no guarantee it will continue. It is supposed to be updated by the State Government but not to the extent of a rebuild - I believe it has been reduced to a superficial renovation.

Western Stadium - who knows - looks like it maybe good when finished. It is not going to be owned by Parramatta - they will play there the same as any other team (apart from being in Parramatta it would be no different than ANZ. Parking would be limited due to council metres, what facilities would be like ? - you would assume at least as good as ANZ. We would have to pay to hire the ground one would think.

So where do we go ???????

My vote goes to 6 at Campbelltown, and 6 at Leichhardt. (1 of these at Tamworth and one ? if Broncos etc take some of their home games to the bush or forget it).

St. George make Kogarah and WIN work - why can't we with the assistance of the respective councils (we would soon see who our friends are).

The Club allocate the venues for home Games…We were allocated 3 Sunday home games in 2018 in the draw..there are 15 other Clubs..they could have played all 3 at Leichhardt if they wished.....1 is at ANZ 1 is at Campbelltown and 1 at Leichhardt..

You can't blame the NRL for ground allocation...

 

[gallagher]

At last the talk has begun this situation has to be finally bought to a head and a final decision has to be made . As I have previously stated the new state of the art Western Sydney Stadium is my choice it offers central access,small enough to generate great atmosphere, modern facilities for the supporters and Corporations who want to pour money into our club…that is my option time for our club to break the shackles of the past and cement the future. At last talk has begun!

It sticks out like dogs balls doesnt it. Hopefully the club are big enough to make the right/smart decision.

 

[Russell]

There seems to be + and - for most scenarios and most people are leaning towards the ones that is best for them. That's ok.

As it stands, Campbelltown does not draw the crowd it should. If it is upgraded who pays for this. We pay for use. The Council (wouldn't think they would be tipping the till very much), the State government (think they have pulled their horns in now over funding grounds). This pretty much leaves it as it is.

Leichhardt oval holds 20,000 an gets about 14+ on a sunny Sunday afternoon if they are playing reasonable footy. However the **NRL/TV insist on Thursday nights** (like tonight), Saturday night (like the next game there), one game to NZ (lost to Leichhardt) and so one Sunday arvo game - hardly a fair go for the ground. We pay to use. Not enough parking (that is BS as I have never had a problem in 63 years. They have toilets, beer and pies to cover you for 90 minutes. What do people expect.

ANZ - hopeless to watch League and usually no atmosphere. Good for public transport, kiosks ans toilets. Yep we get paid to play there for our home games. That deals finishes this year and no guarantee it will continue. It is supposed to be updated by the State Government but not to the extent of a rebuild - I believe it has been reduced to a superficial renovation.

Western Stadium - who knows - looks like it maybe good when finished. It is not going to be owned by Parramatta - they will play there the same as any other team (apart from being in Parramatta it would be no different than ANZ. Parking would be limited due to council metres, what facilities would be like ? - you would assume at least as good as ANZ. We would have to pay to hire the ground one would think.

So where do we go ???????

My vote goes to 6 at Campbelltown, and 6 at Leichhardt. (1 of these at Tamworth and one ? if Broncos etc take some of their home games to the bush or forget it).

St. George make Kogarah and WIN work - why can't we with the assistance of the respective councils (we would soon see who our friends are).

The Club allocate the venues for home Games…We were allocated 3 Sunday home games in 2018 in the draw..there are 15 other Clubs..they could have played all 3 at Leichhardt if they wished.....1 is at ANZ 1 is at Campbelltown and 1 at Leichhardt..

You can't blame the NRL for ground allocation...

That is even worse. Well then obviously we want to get rid of Leichhardt. If you don't play there on Sundays, you might as well not play there at all.

 

[Sco77y]

Would love to see us based out of Ctown, but i have long given up hope of that. I remember reading an article way back in 1999, before the decision to become a joint venture was made, and before Souths were kicked out, when teams heads were still on the chopping block, i read an article talking about how essential it was not to lose the McArthur region due to its population. And that was 20 years ago. The population has doubled since then.

I would have thought we'd have based ourselves out there by about 2006-07, but no. Ever since its always felt like a couple years away. But i think it was 3 or 4 years ago i finally realised the club has no interest. For an area as big as it is, and is only going to get bigger, i think its insanity. Im not advocating completely discarding LO, you could easily do what the Bulldogs do with Belmore and take 2 or 3 games there a year. The inner city is too congested, too many teams. You would think there would be an appeal to adopt an area that is the size of a small city and make it your own.

Would be the best option you’d think - CSS. With an upgrade - more seating and better facilities. Western Sydney Stadium would be ok, but it’s like a mini ANZ. Shared with other teams most likely and you couldn’t truly call it your own. LO has charm but just doesn’t seem to be a practical choice for a few reasons, most mentioned above.