Coach and CEO interview

[GNR4LIFE]

The only bad thing about the Magpies being the ISP team is that we may get Alien back as a supporter 😱pen_mouth:

 

[TCL]

I will respectfully disagree.

Pretty sure the intention wasn't to conduct themselves in an utmost professional manner.

They want to communicate with the fans, down to earth and show some visibility. Educate the fans who range from 12-90 years old. Showing some humour and engagement.

I am certain that is not how he conducts himself in business meetings etc.

Regarding his obsession with Hawaii. I wouldn't say he is obsessed. Playing in Hawaii provides the club with great exposure, regardless of how many people attend the game. Their media will be onto it like ants. TV coverage will also give publicity in the US.

Will lead to membership sales, jersey sales etc. When one person wears the jersey, another follows.

I'd say it's a way to have camp in Hawaii and the nrl fund it, if not at least a tax ride off. Also if you throw in an all expense trip to Hawaii to a 20 year old, it's got to help with recruitment a little!!!

Not going to win a lot of supporters if you go to Hawaii play St George (for example in the current match up) and get your butt whooped. We would want to make sure our team is competitive against the chosen opposition.

For sure…you want to be at your peak for a Trial Game....

Trial game in NSW sure, but when your using a trail match to woo new markets yes you want to make a show of it.

 

[HabboTiger]

In the one of the sports news sites they are quoting the videos for signing news or lack of (Hopoate).

It has been pretty quiet from the media, no signings, no disruption. Seems like we are either enduring a good run or the leaks are closing out. Fantastic if the latter.

 

[jirskyr]

Im not as positive as others are on these interviews. Great idea, poorly executed.

Most of it has been cringeworthy. Cleary is unable to finish a single thought without diverging onto another thought.

I have less confidence in Pascoe than a month ago. His obsession with this Hawaii game truly worries me. Does he really think that a one off game in Hawaii, that would likely be attended by less than 10,000, is somehow going to grow our brand? It is hubris of the highest order.

If they are so keen to promote our brand, why would you muddy the waters by playing as the Magpies in ISP. Another extremely poor decision and is an indication that the old cronies who destroyed a great club for 30 years are back in charge. Disappointing to say the least.

?? really? i doubt hes obsessed with hawaii. Hel look at the benefits and costs and make a business decision. Hardly obsessed.

I thohght Cleary anssered the questions clear enough for me. He went off he tangent a couple times but it was the same topic so no problem.

I dont mind the magpies being named as the nsw side at all.

As someone who has deals with real business leaders every day of the week, the more I hear from Pascoe the more he comes across as an amateur.

Can you elaborate on what this means? What are real business leaders vs sports club bosses or just Pascoe?

For starters Wests Tigers RLF Pty Ltd is not a big business. I couldn't confirm their revenues but if they are looking at approx roster value (all grades) $10M, football ops $15M, misc business cost $5M, that's a $30M business and they are lucky to make any profit in a given year, certainly not more than $1M per year. Current staff count 67, I'm not even clear if that includes players!

Personally I oversee $5-10M of business for my company every year, and I'm middle management. My company has 15,000 employees globally with annual revenues of $1.7B, $750M profit. We aren't even the biggest company in our industry, and our industry itself pales in comparison to things like mining and manufacturing.

So all things considered he's CEO of a high profile but actually fairly modest value company. The brand is worth a lot, the tangible assests I am guessing would be rather modest as well.

But all that perspective aside, can you really judge a business operator on the basis of some interviews? According to the club all operations off the field are showing increase - memberships, sponsorship, merchandise sales etc. That is what the CEO should be judged on, not some 1 minute comment about playing a game in Hawaii and some Dad's jokes.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

One of the points of these videos is to show that they are affable and down to earth. They're not talking down to the supporters with corporate mumbo jumbo, they're getting down to our level.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The only bad thing about the Magpies being the ISP team is that we may get Alien back as a supporter 😱pen_mouth:

The rep system is gone too, Christ the stars might be aligning… :wink:

 

[southerntiger]

Im not as positive as others are on these interviews. Great idea, poorly executed.

Most of it has been cringeworthy. Cleary is unable to finish a single thought without diverging onto another thought.

I have less confidence in Pascoe than a month ago. His obsession with this Hawaii game truly worries me. Does he really think that a one off game in Hawaii, that would likely be attended by less than 10,000, is somehow going to grow our brand? It is hubris of the highest order.

If they are so keen to promote our brand, why would you muddy the waters by playing as the Magpies in ISP. Another extremely poor decision and is an indication that the old cronies who destroyed a great club for 30 years are back in charge. Disappointing to say the least.

?? really? i doubt hes obsessed with hawaii. Hel look at the benefits and costs and make a business decision. Hardly obsessed.

I thohght Cleary anssered the questions clear enough for me. He went off he tangent a couple times but it was the same topic so no problem.

I dont mind the magpies being named as the nsw side at all.

As someone who has deals with real business leaders every day of the week, the more I hear from Pascoe the more he comes across as an amateur.

Can you elaborate on what this means? What are real business leaders vs sports club bosses or just Pascoe?

For starters Wests Tigers RLF Pty Ltd is not a big business. I couldn't confirm their revenues but if they are looking at approx roster value (all grades) $10M, football ops $15M, misc business cost $5M, that's a $30M business and they are lucky to make any profit in a given year, certainly not more than $1M per year. Current staff count 67, I'm not even clear if that includes players!

Personally I oversee $5-10M of business for my company every year, and I'm middle management. My company has 15,000 employees globally with annual revenues of $1.7B, $750M profit. We aren't even the biggest company in our industry, and our industry itself pales in comparison to things like mining and manufacturing.

So all things considered he's CEO of a high profile but actually fairly modest value company. The brand is worth a lot, the tangible assests I am guessing would be rather modest as well.

But all that perspective aside, can you really judge a business operator on the basis of some interviews? According to the club all operations off the field are showing increase - memberships, sponsorship, merchandise sales etc. That is what the CEO should be judged on, not some 1 minute comment about playing a game in Hawaii and some Dad's jokes.

I mean what I said. Comes across like an MBA student using jargon from a text book.

I deal with business leaders at all level of business apart from multinational.

Pascoe's interviews do not impress me at all. To use your analysis I dont think he understands the business he is in or the product he is delivering. The Hawaii talk is rubbish.

That being said, I still support him and will continue to do so if he can put the runs on the board both commercially and on the field.

I would get him back in the office more and away from the camera.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Cleary said in his press conference today it isn't all about the results. On top of picking the same plodders our previous coach picked, he seems to be singing the same tune so far. How long till the natives start getting restless?

 

[TrueTiger]

?? really? i doubt hes obsessed with hawaii. Hel look at the benefits and costs and make a business decision. Hardly obsessed.

I thohght Cleary anssered the questions clear enough for me. He went off he tangent a couple times but it was the same topic so no problem.

I dont mind the magpies being named as the nsw side at all.

As someone who has deals with real business leaders every day of the week, the more I hear from Pascoe the more he comes across as an amateur.

Can you elaborate on what this means? What are real business leaders vs sports club bosses or just Pascoe?

For starters Wests Tigers RLF Pty Ltd is not a big business. I couldn't confirm their revenues but if they are looking at approx roster value (all grades) $10M, football ops $15M, misc business cost $5M, that's a $30M business and they are lucky to make any profit in a given year, certainly not more than $1M per year. Current staff count 67, I'm not even clear if that includes players!

Personally I oversee $5-10M of business for my company every year, and I'm middle management. My company has 15,000 employees globally with annual revenues of $1.7B, $750M profit. We aren't even the biggest company in our industry, and our industry itself pales in comparison to things like mining and manufacturing.

So all things considered he's CEO of a high profile but actually fairly modest value company. The brand is worth a lot, the tangible assests I am guessing would be rather modest as well.

But all that perspective aside, can you really judge a business operator on the basis of some interviews? According to the club all operations off the field are showing increase - memberships, sponsorship, merchandise sales etc. That is what the CEO should be judged on, not some 1 minute comment about playing a game in Hawaii and some Dad's jokes.

I mean what I said. Comes across like an MBA student using jargon from a text book.

I deal with business leaders at all level of business apart from multinational.

Pascoe's interviews do not impress me at all. To use your analysis I dont think he understands the business he is in or the product he is delivering. The Hawaii talk is rubbish.

That being said, I still support him and will continue to do so if he can put the runs on the board both commercially and on the field.

I would get him back in the office more and away from the camera.

All good discussion regarding business whatever they are worth,irrespective of high profit or medium profit levels,a business should be judged on it sucess and expansion in the particular areas of the business that make it viable…some very small business have been sucessful not only by making good profits,but also in the way it has been managed,this goes the same for big business I would presume..lets see how CEO Pascoe manages the business and see how we are after his tenure..

 

[jirskyr]

I mean what I said. Comes across like an MBA student using jargon from a text book.

I deal with business leaders at all level of business apart from multinational.

Pascoe's interviews do not impress me at all. To use your analysis I dont think he understands the business he is in or the product he is delivering. The Hawaii talk is rubbish.

That being said, I still support him and will continue to do so if he can put the runs on the board both commercially and on the field.

I would get him back in the office more and away from the camera.

Well now I'm super curious. What is a business leader? Are you measuring Pascoe against other sports management CEOs? Are you measuring him against CEOs and other leader roles in the same industry or equivalent business sizes?

Why do you think he doesn't understand the business, can you be specific? Are you in the business of sports management yourself, do you have key insights that you think he overlooks?

I'm not taking the mickey here, legitimately I want to hear from people who may have some authority to critique off-field performance. So many people are quick to criticise the board, CEO, chair, head of football ops but I generally find most of them have nothing specific, either they don't really understand the person's actual role in "the organisation" or there is insufficient data in the public sphere to make an assessment.

Why is the Hawaii talk rubbish?

Why is it an issue if he is on camera from time to time? These videos were recorded at the club on their own time, and unless they are dressing the same very day, in one sitting of about an hour. Before that Pascoe was on the Yvonne Sampson's Foxtel show, a few phone interviews here and there. Too much? Raylene Castle didn't give interviews? Graeme Annesley comes out in the press often enough. Jim Doyle, Peter Doust, Brian Fletcher, Bernie Gurr etc.?

You could well argue he already has "runs on the board"? Club reporting highest ever membership figures, increases in sponsorship dollars etc. He has overseen the recruitment of an experienced coach, helped bring the salary cap back to all funds in-club, overseen the CoE proposal.

You speak of on-field - what would you think the % of CEO performance is measured by on-field results? Would it not be accurate if all business / financial KPIs are met, the negative team performances would only be a small measurement against the CEO? That would be more something you set for the head coach.

 

[TigerSJ]

I am with Jirskyr, Seantice, TrueTiger and few others - these guys are making an attempt to break down some of the barriers and reach out to the supporters by letting us in a little on their plans and direction. I am taking it as an honest attempt, but as usual, and because we are all passionate fans, they are never going to please everyone.
Sure they are not going to give us too many specifics and neither should they - imagine how many opinions they'd have to deal with, it would create even more conflict and they would never get their real jobs done. So I say - let's trust in them and support them - and hope they make good decisions for the future of the Wests Tigers. At this point I haven't seen anything from either of them that makes me feel too uneasy.
I like the fact that there seems to be a much more relaxed relationship between Cleary and Pascoe than there ever was with JT. Mutual respect is extremely important in management and I think they both have confidence in each other and that should allow them to perform their roles much better.

 

[ryanda01]

I like the fact that there seems to be a much more relaxed relationship between Cleary and Pascoe than there ever was with JT. Mutual respect is extremely important in management and I think they both have confidence in each other and that should allow them to perform their roles much better.

This. However, I don't want them to get complacent and too 'buddy buddy' in case some tough decisions need to be made and then turns into a massive stink. They appear to have a good personal relationship which goes long ways to harmonious footy, but they need to decouple that from their professional one.

 

[earl]

Cleary said in his press conference today it isn't all about the results. On top of picking the same plodders our previous coach picked, he seems to be singing the same tune so far. How long till the natives start getting restless?

My personal opinion is that Cleary is heaps better than Taylor. I think Taylor handled these situations heaps worse than Cleary did and I can't even compare the two. I agree that we have to start getting results but I like how Cleary answered the question. You can't state we are going to win the comp next year because that is unrealistic.

To be fair to Cleary the club itself has made stupid promises in the past and hopefully they've learned from that.

 

[TCL]

I like the fact that there seems to be a much more relaxed relationship between Cleary and Pascoe than there ever was with JT. Mutual respect is extremely important in management and I think they both have confidence in each other and that should allow them to perform their roles much better.

This. However, I don't want them to get complacent and too 'buddy buddy' in case some tough decisions need to be made and then turns into a massive stink. They appear to have a good personal relationship which goes long ways to harmonious footy, but they need to decouple that from their professional one.

i dont think it will be an issue cause unless Ivan does something horribly wrong the next one the chopping block will be pascoe.

 

[ryanda01]

I like the fact that there seems to be a much more relaxed relationship between Cleary and Pascoe than there ever was with JT. Mutual respect is extremely important in management and I think they both have confidence in each other and that should allow them to perform their roles much better.

This. However, I don't want them to get complacent and too 'buddy buddy' in case some tough decisions need to be made and then turns into a massive stink. They appear to have a good personal relationship which goes long ways to harmonious footy, but they need to decouple that from their professional one.

i dont think it will be an issue cause unless Ivan does something horribly wrong the next one the chopping block will be pascoe.

Highly doubt that Pascoe will be on the outer. Membership numbers up, themed home game days bringing in crowds, CoE if it comes to fruition; not a lot the bloke has done wrong; that's his role as CEO and he's doing it well. If there are still no wins coming from the football team / ops side, then I'd image Kelly and Ivan will be next reviewed for tenure longevity. Ivan has all but said he wants most control over recruitment and development so the buck stops with him.

 

[TCL]

I like the fact that there seems to be a much more relaxed relationship between Cleary and Pascoe than there ever was with JT. Mutual respect is extremely important in management and I think they both have confidence in each other and that should allow them to perform their roles much better.

This. However, I don't want them to get complacent and too 'buddy buddy' in case some tough decisions need to be made and then turns into a massive stink. They appear to have a good personal relationship which goes long ways to harmonious footy, but they need to decouple that from their professional one.

i dont think it will be an issue cause unless Ivan does something horribly wrong the next one the chopping block will be pascoe.

Highly doubt that Pascoe will be on the outer. Membership numbers up, themed home game days bringing in crowds, CoE if it comes to fruition; not a lot the bloke has done wrong; that's his role as CEO and he's doing it well. If there are still no wins coming from the football team / ops side, then I'd image Kelly and Ivan will be next reviewed for tenure longevity. Ivan has all but said he wants most control over recruitment and development so the buck stops with him.

Maybe, but i dont think they will go anywhere near ivan unless he is doing something horribly wrong so.

 

[wtfl1981]

surprising news re the Magpies.

Maybe I missed something and I don't want people to think this is a Wests vis Balmain thing, but why would you not play all your teams under the one brand name?? Iam sure there is a very good reason, but on the surface it looks to be a little divisive.

To ensure there is a senior team full time in the south west as part of the WT pathway. Protect the area from Souths, Bulldogs, Roosters and Mounties.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Will the Magpies be based out of Ctown?

 

[wtfl1981]

Yes with alignment to some WT matches at LO.

But yes a south west based ISP team

 

[Geo]

Part 4…http://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2017/06/02/wests_tigers_coach_a.html

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