Coach GOAT

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My hate for Cleary has been slowly dissipating, as I have said elsewhere, I can understand him doing the dirty on us to go and coach his son and to finish a job he had started at Penrith, I think you have to be honest and admit that if you were in the same position you would most likely do the same.

I think there is no doubt that he can coach and if he continues on his current trajectory I feel that he will eventually have to be included in the conversation when it comes to who are/were the great coaches.

Just for the record I think Storm can get the job done today in what should be a great game.
 
hank37w said:
My hate for Cleary has been slowly dissipating, as I have said elsewhere, I can understand him doing the dirty on us to go and coach his son and to finish a job he had started at Penrith, I think you have to be honest and admit that if you were in the same position you would most likely do the same.

I think there is no doubt that he can coach and if he continues on his current trajectory I feel that he will eventually have to be included in the conversation when it comes to who are/were the great coaches.

Just for the record I think Storm can get the job done today in what should be a great game.
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18 NRL seasons of coaching for 6 grand finals.
Also won a NSWRL premiership with the chooks.
Not the GOAT, but is only 53 and has already knocked off 450 games….he keeps this up and he’ll push hard.
 
hank37w said:
My hate for Cleary has been slowly dissipating, as I have said elsewhere, I can understand him doing the dirty on us to go and coach his son and to finish a job he had started at Penrith, I think you have to be honest and admit that if you were in the same position you would most likely do the same.

I think there is no doubt that he can coach and if he continues on his current trajectory I feel that he will eventually have to be included in the conversation when it comes to who are/were the great coaches.

Just for the record I think Storm can get the job done today in what should be a great game.
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hank37w said:
My hate for Cleary has been slowly dissipating, as I have said elsewhere, I can understand him doing the dirty on us to go and coach his son and to finish a job he had started at Penrith, I think you have to be honest and admit that if you were in the same position you would most likely do the same.

I think there is no doubt that he can coach and if he continues on his current trajectory I feel that he will eventually have to be included in the conversation when it comes to who are/were the great coaches.

Just for the record I think Storm can get the job done today in what should be a great game.
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To coach against your son, particularly when he is pivitol in the oppositions attack, isn’t right. Goes against the laws of nature. Don’t understand why Pascoe couldn’t see that? 😂
 
tiger_one said:
I think Pascoe's vision was blinded by his haircut! 😉
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He left his name badge..


Front
 
happy_tiger said:
If only we had gotten Bellamy in 2003 ...along with Thurston and Marshall
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Often wonder how much Bennett influenced that decision. Given how much of a basket case we were (Has anything changed?) Bennet May have suggested he stay clear of us. One of the reasons why the man himself has never given us a second thought any time he’s looked for a new club in the last 15 years.
 
Tucker said:
18 NRL seasons of coaching for 6 grand finals.
Also won a NSWRL premiership with the chooks.
Not the GOAT, but is only 53 and has already knocked off 450 games….he keeps this up and he’ll push hard.
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I don’t think he’ll wait it out…
Would be surprised if he doesn’t sign out of the NRL early - I seen him mention with his health stuff a couple years back he was thinking of it already.
Maybe even move into rep coaching or an overseas stint - he’s a different cat to those before him… I don’t seem coaching into his 60’s like some of the more intense coaches you see
 
batboy said:
I don’t think he’ll wait it out…
Would be surprised if he doesn’t sign out of the NRL early - I seen him mention with his health stuff a couple years back he was thinking of it already.
Maybe even move into rep coaching or an overseas stint - he’s a different cat to those before him… I don’t seem coaching into his 60’s like some of the more intense coaches you see
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Probably will retire when the chin does and they will be anointed Gods of Penrith.
 
batboy said:
I don’t think he’ll wait it out…
Would be surprised if he doesn’t sign out of the NRL early - I seen him mention with his health stuff a couple years back he was thinking of it already.
Maybe even move into rep coaching or an overseas stint - he’s a different cat to those before him… I don’t seem coaching into his 60’s like some of the more intense coaches you see
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If they can keep this factory churning out first graders firing, he’ll stick around. I’m sure people didn’t think Bellamy would last as long as he has.
 
twentyforty said:
To coach against your son, particularly when he is pivitol in the oppositions attack, isn’t right. Goes against the laws of nature. Don’t understand why Pascoe couldn’t see that? 😂
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twentyforty said:
To coach against your son, particularly when he is pivitol in the oppositions attack, isn’t right. Goes against the laws of nature. Don’t understand why Pascoe couldn’t see that? 😂
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Wasn’t the plan to get Ivan, then Nathan, which would have prevented that problem ? Anyway, all speculation now.
The whole thing was that Ivan and Pascoe were buddies but that friendship went down the toilet.
 
Magpie_Magic said:
Agree,

Something Ivan should've considered also when he choose to sign for our club.
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Ivan is a good coach, but wouldn’t put him in the same class as others who have proven their skill, like Bennett, Sheens. I would also put Bellamy ahead of Cleary.
Cleary has had limited success at other clubs, and his job at Panthers has been made easy, ‘don’t stuff it up’. His personality was a good fit with those kids and the esprit d corps which was already bubbling in the lower grades.
 
Hate what Clearly did to us but hats off to him. Their tactics nullified what no other team could manage against Melbourne in the biggest and most important game of the year. Great squad and pains me to say it a great coach.
 
twentyforty said:
Ivan is a good coach, but wouldn’t put him in the same class as others who have proven their skill, like Bennett, Sheens. I would also put Bellamy ahead of Cleary.
Cleary has had limited success at other clubs, and his job at Panthers has been made easy, ‘don’t stuff it up’. His personality was a good fit with those kids and the esprit d corps which was already bubbling in the lower grades.
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Cleary took a team with Pita Godinet, the Temu ZelezniaK brother and 15 other nuff nuffs to 9th place.
That's the equivalent of winning 3 premierships.
 
twentyforty said:
Ivan is a good coach, but wouldn’t put him in the same class as others who have proven their skill, like Bennett, Sheens. I would also put Bellamy ahead of Cleary.
Cleary has had limited success at other clubs, and his job at Panthers has been made easy, ‘don’t stuff it up’. His personality was a good fit with those kids and the esprit d corps which was already bubbling in the lower grades.
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Do great coaches make a team great, or do great teams make the coach great?

I was having a conversation with a mate about Cleary when he was the WT coach back in 2018. I thought Cleary was high quality based on what he got out of our very ordinary squad that year.

My mate argued that Cleary was not a quality coach. His criterion was: how many games did it take a coach to win his first grand final. He claimed that no modern coach that has won a grand final has coached as many games as Cleary to win their first GF.

My mate had a point. For example:

Wayne Bennett won his first grand final as a head coach with the Broncos in his 5th season (1992). I’m not counting the season he co-coached the Raiders with Don Furner in 1987.

Craig Bellamy won his first grand final as head coach with the Storm in his 5th season (2007). Although the Storm were stripped of win because of salary cap cheating.

Tim Sheens won his first grand final as head coach of the Raiders in his 6th season of coaching (1989).

Ivan Cleary won his first grand final as head coach of the Panthers in his 16th season of coaching (2021).

Cleary has certainly made up for lost time since then. But you can argue that he needed a great team to do it.

But is he any different to the others on the list? Bennett coached a virtual Origin squad. Bellamy’s squad was significantly over the cap, while the Raiders, although never sanctioned, were supposed to be over the cap also.

All the coaches needed a great team to achieve success.

My vote for the best coach would go to Bellamy. Mainly because of the sustained success he has achieved with Melbourne since 2003.
 
Tactical masterclass last night.

Turned the match into an ugly middle third game to take advantage of their superior middles. Worked Harry to a standstill. Munster was ineffective. No other team can go close to nullifying the strengths of the Storm.

Only losing JFH in the pack and will add Paps. They’ll remain a top two force given their forward strength (and halfback).
 
Tucker said:
If they can keep this factory churning out first graders firing, he’ll stick around. I’m sure people didn’t think Bellamy would last as long as he has.
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There's a bit of a ruthlessness to Bellamy that I don't see in Ivan though....
Bellamy looks as though he still needs to achieve something, Where Cleary looks like he could be mowing lawns tomorrow and be as content.

To be fair - Despite the age difference, They've been at it almost for the same amount of time.
With the amount of success, getting squarer
 
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