Coach GOAT

[stryker 69]

Sheens. The only coach to win the premiership significantly under the cap with club politics in play.

Only problem is, he has no idea how he did it.

 

[Cobarcats]

You’re delusional if you would go with anyone but one of the names already mentioned. You can make a case for all of them.

Norm Proven.

Norm certainly deserved the immortal status being a successful player and captain coach.
Sad to inform you that my other cousin *Marge Provan died on Friday morning
RIP Marge*

 

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Sheens. The only coach to win the premiership significantly under the cap with club politics in play.

The only way Bellamy, Robinson or Bennett would be able to shine in my eyes is to go to a struggling club and lift it out of the gutter. I'll give maguire one thing, he has shown more guts in that respect.

Yep. Sheens getting that team to win the comp in '05 is arguably the best coaching effort in recent memory. No-one would have predicted them as premiers before season kick-off. Pretty sure that would of never happened before or since.

 

[Harvey]

Shane Flanagan. It is the coaches role to enhance the performance of his players

 

[innsaneink]

Id like to see Robbo at other clubs
Id like to see Bellamy at other clubs
Bennett has had success at a few different clubs

I really love listening to Robbo talk footy, like Sheens, hes very interesting and engaging

 

[Cobarcats]

Shane Flanagan. It is the coaches role to enhance the performance of his players

Very funny, what was the drug called?
I want him as a coach as much as I want Justin Pascoe's hairstylist to do my hair ha ha

 

[jirskyr]

Id like to see Bellamy at other clubs

That's an interesting argument, because Bellamy created the dynasty that he continues to oversee, which is not true of Robinson or Bennett (they both inherited massive platforms to work off).

That's not to say Storm weren't well funded and they didn't cheat, but taking on an enclave team like that could just have easily have ended in distaster a la Western Reds or Adelaide Rams.

I would be very curious if Bellamy could institute the same regime and achieve the same success at another club, but it's unlikely to ever happen, and if were to happen, it would only be at the Broncos, who aren't your average financially-challenged average-popularity organisation.

 

[BZN]

Premiership winner Ivan

How Lucky are you @tony-soprano
If down votes were still allowed, you'd probably lose all your 4.2k upvotes in one fell swoop :joy:
Have a great day :hugging_face: .

 

[bathursttiger1]

Id like to see Robbo at other clubs
Id like to see Bellamy at other clubs
Bennett has had success at a few different clubs

I really love listening to Robbo talk footy, like Sheens, hes very interesting and engaging

Bellamy's SOO record 9 games 7 losses 2 wins.

 

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Id like to see Bellamy at other clubs

That's an interesting argument, because Bellamy created the dynasty that he continues to oversee, which is not true of Robinson or Bennett (they both inherited massive platforms to work off).

That's not to say Storm weren't well funded and they didn't cheat, but taking on an enclave team like that could just have easily have ended in distaster a la Western Reds or Adelaide Rams.

I would be very curious if Bellamy could institute the same regime and achieve the same success at another club, but it's unlikely to ever happen, and if were to happen, it would only be at the Broncos, who aren't your average financially-challenged average-popularity organisation.

Bellamy took over a Storm organisation that was already very successful, he hasn't created anything all off his own bat.
Western Reds and Adelaide Rams didn't have the huge push from News Ltd like the Storm have always had, if the Western Reds hadn't sided with Super League they would of had reasonable success and a lot of support by now. They had a good solid core following in their 1st season, then they jumped ship and crowd numbers seemed to plummet: a lot of people were cheesed off with the treacherous way News Ltd undermined the NSWRL.
Storm have had many huge leg-ups from the NRL over the years to try and create a market in the city of their direct code rivals as well. The NRL would have felt a huge need to create a successful RL club in Victoria, just the same as how the AFL has thrown money hand-over-fist at the Swans to make a dent in the RL market.

 

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Id like to see Robbo at other clubs
Id like to see Bellamy at other clubs
Bennett has had success at a few different clubs

I really love listening to Robbo talk footy, like Sheens, hes very interesting and engaging

Bellamy's SOO record 9 games 7 losses 2 wins.

Junior coached a NSW clean-sweep in 2000?

 

[BZN]

Sorry about this being off topic but whilst looking at coaching history I stumbled across Western Suburbs Magpies home ground in 1955, 77-83 85-86 was actually Leichhardt Oval.
Why was this so, redevelopment of Lidcombe Oval? I'm Balmain boy so don't know.
Just for Wests nostalgia, Tom McMahon 75% and don't forget Roy Masters cameo 59.6%.
I'm just quoting this stuff so apologies if wrong :]

Well started following Wests as an 8 yo in 1975 and I can assure you they never used LO as a home ground in my years.

They were at Lidcombe from 68 till 86 then Cambelltown from 87 to 99.

As for Roy he had an outstanding record albeit without a premiership. The years 78 to 80 could have yielded 2 ( robbed in 78, players signing with other club's during a 5 match 2nd round slump when leading competition to drop to 4th in 79 and a great chance in 80 when we ran into the semis with injuries and suspensions to cruel us) and of course Saints were the best team in 85 so Roy the revolutionary could have had 2 or 3 but the League didn't want Wests winning one and even at Saints after Chris Masters exposed the sorts in 83 Roy was a marked man.

But Pony Holloway 8 premierships does stand out.

Awesome post mate.
I'd love to have a beer with you one day and talk about stuff like that, I've got heaps of yarns too.
Could you go to http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/teams and scroll down to Western Suburbs then look at home venues.
Can you make sense of that where it says L Oval? Could that be where they chose their home games played at other venues for whatever reason?

Thanks for this info rugbyleagueprojects.org @Cobarcats
Had a quick look at it...very interesting, as you are also.
I have followed the Mighty Maggies since I left high school in 3rd year at the end of 1962.
My memory of dates is nowhere near as good as @Magpie_Magic and I certainly dont remember Wests ever using Leichhardt Oval as their home ground.
I wonder if there was some confusion with the games played there on Wednesday nights?
You'll certainly have some great stories to tell on here being a Cousin of the great gentleman Norm Provan...Wow!!!

 

[BZN]

Shane Flanagan. It is the coaches role to enhance the performance of his players

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[hammertime]

Bennett has to get the crown, he's gone to other clubs and had a degree of success.
Shame, if he had taken on the Tigers job, he would have truly tested his abilities.

 

[Geo]

Royce Simmonds

 

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Royce Simmonds

Royce could lay out a witches hat like nobody else. He was the Van Gogh of traffic cone artistry.

 

[Cobarcats]

Hey MAGPIES1963, cheers mate.
The venue debacle was covered a few post ago.
I think Murray coached storm before bellyache and it didn't take long after that and they were winning so I don't think he had it handed to him on a platter.
I do agree that a carpenter usually fits doors in more that one house so being diverse and successful adds more weight to say, a Tim Sheens.
After 2005 grandfinal a lot of players jumped ship for coin or injuries, like Liam Fulton which contributed to his demise a bit!!??

 

[jirskyr]

Id like to see Bellamy at other clubs

That's an interesting argument, because Bellamy created the dynasty that he continues to oversee, which is not true of Robinson or Bennett (they both inherited massive platforms to work off).

That's not to say Storm weren't well funded and they didn't cheat, but taking on an enclave team like that could just have easily have ended in distaster a la Western Reds or Adelaide Rams.

I would be very curious if Bellamy could institute the same regime and achieve the same success at another club, but it's unlikely to ever happen, and if were to happen, it would only be at the Broncos, who aren't your average financially-challenged average-popularity organisation.

Bellamy took over a Storm organisation that was already very successful, he hasn't created anything all off his own bat.
Western Reds and Adelaide Rams didn't have the huge push from News Ltd like the Storm have always had, if the Western Reds hadn't sided with Super League they would of had reasonable success and a lot of support by now. They had a good solid core following in their 1st season, then they jumped ship and crowd numbers seemed to plummet: a lot of people were cheesed off with the treacherous way News Ltd undermined the NSWRL.
Storm have had many huge leg-ups from the NRL over the years to try and create a market in the city of their direct code rivals as well. The NRL would have felt a huge need to create a successful RL club in Victoria, just the same as how the AFL has thrown money hand-over-fist at the Swans to make a dent in the RL market.

That's not true at all. Storm made 3 finals, missed 2 in the 5 years preceding Bellamy. 9th and 10th in those last two seasons. In the 19 seasons since then they haven't done worse than 6th, excluding of course the penalty season 2010. 19/19 finals series, 8 minor premierships, 9 GF appearances, 3 premierships, 2 stripped.

Obviously Storm jagged the 1999 premiership and did pretty well with both signings and results in the first 3 Chris Anderson years, but it was falling away significantly in 2001-2.

I don't disagree that News Ltd were heavily involved in keeping the team solvent in Melbourne, but that's not enough to drive the kind of success Bellamy has had. Also Storm did very well with their talent acquisition over many years, which you may be tempted to call somewhat lucky (e.g. that Slater / Cronk / Smith is a once-in-generation combo to appear), and yet Storm continue to consistently unearth and generate supremely talented footballers.

The Western Reds died because they were trying to prop up the costs of travelling and hosting teams having to visit Perth, then getting in aircraft themselves every second week. It's too simplistic to say the home crowds felt betrayed and the Reds would still be doing well if they sided with the ARL... apart from being purely speculative, they were haemorrhaging money and needed the News Ltd cash injection. The ARL never should have expanded so aggressively in 1995, they did not do their due diligence and the new clubs were not sufficiently financial for long-term development. As it was Cowboys and Warriors went to Super League as well and did OK, the Crushers stayed with the ARL and died.

 

[Cobarcats]

Royce Simmonds

Royce could lay out a witches hat like nobody else. He was the Van Gogh of traffic cone artistry.

Any better than Kevie Walters putting chairs out and counting them ala SOO?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Royce Simmonds

Royce could lay out a witches hat like nobody else. He was the Van Gogh of traffic cone artistry.

Any better than Kevie Walters putting chairs out and counting them ala SOO?

Walters feels like a glorified caretaker coach. Just warming the seat till someone like Bellamy becomes available.