Completely unacceptable: ramifications

[bbobb]

I remember hearing either Sterlo or Joey saying that with good teams, there is vey little difference between their best and their worst - we aren't a good team.

 

[TigerWest]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us


yes we are a business but so are the NRL. Kicking teams out, relocating or having half of their sub franchises perform extremely poorly is a bad reflection of their product as a whole. This is not about punishing better performing clubs or an excuse for clubs like ours - this is the NRL looking at their business as a entertainment product and the current poor status it is in.

So what ...we should wait until the NRL fixes us ...again

No thanks ...just kick us out .....have some pride ......

There would be quite a few teams to go before we get shown the door?

We have the worst record of any side in the nRL since 2000 ......stop making excuses for this club ...everyone stop making excuses for this club ......

Then stop being a drama queen and row the boat with the rest of us.

Would you rather be us or the Bronc’s?

Broncos made the 8 in the last 10 years will be better off than us in 2022 ..you watch

If by 2025 we haven't made the finals we shouldn't be in the NRL comp ......and you are just misleading yourself if you think we should ......

Sorry Happy, but I’m in this for life, just like you?

 

[Fade.To.Black]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us

Well-run sporting organisations like the NFL strive to improve their product by giving the lowest ranked franchises a bit of help to compete by providing them with higher draft picks. That is smart business. The hopelessly amateur NRL does nothing. Nothing at all to improve the cavern between its best and worst clubs.
Yes the NFL has been dominated by one club in particular in the last few decades (Patriots) but that is due to the fact they had the best player in the history of the sport. Plenty of other franchises have had a decent opportunity to challenge them for the title in that reign. That's good business.
The NRL has had either Roosters or Storm in what...17 or so out of the last 21 grand finals?
As far as you saying 'relocate us', what the hell is that going to achieve? It'd be like picking up a dog turd and relocating it to another spot on your backyard lawn.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

It is unacceptable.

Our coaching is not good enough. Our recruitment is not good enough. Our players are not good enough.

How players can put in no effort. How can they not ever have any line speed. How can they still not have a clue how to shut down offloads.

The same things have been killing us for a decade and there's still no progress

And yet so many different players during this time also, some very experienced, some rep players, some rookies - how can this still be with so many different team line ups? It’s like anyone that comes through the gates at Concord immediately becomes clueless on the basics of rugby league, despite many of them playing quite well for years previously. I just don’t get this at all.

 

[cochise]

It is unacceptable.

Our coaching is not good enough. Our recruitment is not good enough. Our players are not good enough.

How players can put in no effort. How can they not ever have any line speed. How can they still not have a clue how to shut down offloads.

The same things have been killing us for a decade and there's still no progress

And yet so many different players during this time also, some very experienced, some rep players, some rookies - how can this still be with so many different team line ups? It’s like anyone that comes through the gates at Concord immediately becomes clueless on the basics of rugby league, despite many of them playing quite well for years previously. I just don’t get this at all.

It depends the type of people you get in, some people are followers and some people are leaders. When you remove a follower from a good system, even though they are doing well, they will follow the culture of the club they arrive at. So for example you could pull someone out of Melbourne and dump them in the Tigers squad and they will follow the poor systems at the Tigers because that's what followers do, in Melbourne they were following the systems and players that excel.

The aim is to find the leaders, people who demand excellence where ever they are and have the ability to maintain their own and drive the standards of others.

 

[gallagher]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us

Well-run sporting organisations like the NFL strive to improve their product by giving the lowest ranked franchises a bit of help to compete by providing them with higher draft picks. That is smart business. The hopelessly amateur NRL does nothing. Nothing at all to improve the cavern between its best and worst clubs.
Yes the NFL has been dominated by one club in particular in the last few decades (Patriots) but that is due to the fact they had the best player in the history of the sport. Plenty of other franchises have had a decent opportunity to challenge them for the title in that reign. That's good business.
The NRL has had either Roosters or Storm in what...17 or so out of the last 21 grand finals?
As far as you saying 'relocate us', what the hell is that going to achieve? It'd be like picking up a dog turd and relocating it to another spot on your backyard lawn.

I have no clue on the NFL. Are they mainly one city teams? Don't teanm get bought and get relocated?

 

[cochise]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us

Well-run sporting organisations like the NFL strive to improve their product by giving the lowest ranked franchises a bit of help to compete by providing them with higher draft picks. That is smart business. The hopelessly amateur NRL does nothing. Nothing at all to improve the cavern between its best and worst clubs.
Yes the NFL has been dominated by one club in particular in the last few decades (Patriots) but that is due to the fact they had the best player in the history of the sport. Plenty of other franchises have had a decent opportunity to challenge them for the title in that reign. That's good business.
The NRL has had either Roosters or Storm in what...17 or so out of the last 21 grand finals?
As far as you saying 'relocate us', what the hell is that going to achieve? It'd be like picking up a dog turd and relocating it to another spot on your backyard lawn.

I have no clue on the NFL. Are they mainly one city teams? Don't teanm get bought and get relocated?

Yes to both

 

[tony soprano]

https://twitter.com/triplem_nrl/status/1406460773409435649?s=21


Interesting comments

Made me think are the poor signings Maguire or hartigan signings.

We definitely don’t have the right mix in staff. Who goes??

 

[gallagher]

It is unacceptable.

Our coaching is not good enough. Our recruitment is not good enough. Our players are not good enough.

How players can put in no effort. How can they not ever have any line speed. How can they still not have a clue how to shut down offloads.

The same things have been killing us for a decade and there's still no progress

And yet so many different players during this time also, some very experienced, some rep players, some rookies - how can this still be with so many different team line ups? It’s like anyone that comes through the gates at Concord immediately becomes clueless on the basics of rugby league, despite many of them playing quite well for years previously. I just don’t get this at all.

It depends the type of people you get in, some people are followers and some people are leaders. When you remove a follower from a good system, even though they are doing well, they will follow the culture of the club they arrive at. So for example you could pull someone out of Melbourne and dump them in the Tigers squad and they will follow the poor systems at the Tigers because that's what followers do, in Melbourne they were following the systems and players that excel.

The aim is to find the leaders, people who demand excellence where ever they are and have the ability to maintain their own and drive the standards of others.

That why Penrith and now the warriors went after Gus. We did a worldwide search, according to the club, and came up with Justin from accounts.

 

[gallagher]

****Huge disclaimer** first:** In no way am I making excuses for last night, that was possibly the worst I have seen not only ourselves play but any team for as long as I can remember. Embarrassed to be a tigers fan is an understatement.


however, is it time the NRL has to seriously consider the make up of this competition along with he product that is currently on display?

Nobody wants to watch games like this...over in 10mins. We are seeing score score lines grow bigger and bigger each week, the divide between top 4-6 and everyone else is alarming and quite frankly a terrible look on the game. Im a die hard footy fan but the only games even close to being enjoyable over the last few years are bottom teams playing each other and this is only because the score lines are SOMETIMES closer (however quality of each team is usually terrible). We are only half way through the comp and we can probably all guess who the grand finalists will be.

Does the NRL have to accept the rule changes, crackdowns, bias refereeing is simply making this game unwatchable. Does the salary cap need a revision? the unbalance in quality is simply insane. Do they possibly need to be giving leg ups to teams who finish out of the 8 the year prior to hopefully rotate success throughout the competition?

Or is it a case of the bottom teams just need to 'adapt better'? We hear that a lot but it's always the powerful big clubs that seem to be able to 'adapt' to anything, so why is it the others can't?

Surely the NRL has to make changes and somehow prop up the struggling clubs...I understand how bias that is but the game is simply terrible at the moment.

Why should the top teams get blamed for getting better and better ......

Why don't we improve or die ......

Think of us as a business (which we are ) why do we deserve help when we continually make the same mistakes year after year after year .....NRL should give us time frame ...and if we can't make the 8 ...kick us out or relocate us

Well-run sporting organisations like the NFL strive to improve their product by giving the lowest ranked franchises a bit of help to compete by providing them with higher draft picks. That is smart business. The hopelessly amateur NRL does nothing. Nothing at all to improve the cavern between its best and worst clubs.
Yes the NFL has been dominated by one club in particular in the last few decades (Patriots) but that is due to the fact they had the best player in the history of the sport. Plenty of other franchises have had a decent opportunity to challenge them for the title in that reign. That's good business.
The NRL has had either Roosters or Storm in what...17 or so out of the last 21 grand finals?
As far as you saying 'relocate us', what the hell is that going to achieve? It'd be like picking up a dog turd and relocating it to another spot on your backyard lawn.

I have no clue on the NFL. Are they mainly one city teams? Don't teanm get bought and get relocated?

Yes to both

Two very different comps then. 9 clubs in Sydney maybe seen as the problem by the NRL.

 

[cochise]

It is unacceptable.

Our coaching is not good enough. Our recruitment is not good enough. Our players are not good enough.

How players can put in no effort. How can they not ever have any line speed. How can they still not have a clue how to shut down offloads.

The same things have been killing us for a decade and there's still no progress

And yet so many different players during this time also, some very experienced, some rep players, some rookies - how can this still be with so many different team line ups? It’s like anyone that comes through the gates at Concord immediately becomes clueless on the basics of rugby league, despite many of them playing quite well for years previously. I just don’t get this at all.

It depends the type of people you get in, some people are followers and some people are leaders. When you remove a follower from a good system, even though they are doing well, they will follow the culture of the club they arrive at. So for example you could pull someone out of Melbourne and dump them in the Tigers squad and they will follow the poor systems at the Tigers because that's what followers do, in Melbourne they were following the systems and players that excel.

The aim is to find the leaders, people who demand excellence where ever they are and have the ability to maintain their own and drive the standards of others.

That why Penrith and now the warriors went after Gus. We did a worldwide search, according to the club, and came up with Justin from accounts.

Its players as well, we need to find the players that are leaders and not followers.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

I turned it off after 30 minutes...

Credit due where it's deserved, Melbourne are very, VERY good

I am still watching and, you know what Kul, Melb have not been 'that' good tonight. It is just a normal game / training drill.

Yes, great side...but they have barely raised a sweat.

This is entirely on us.

Our edge D is Z grade...Madge has had 2.5 years to get the edge D fixed, and has failed miserably.

We need more than rhetoric and speeches. They have their place and time, but we need a lot more.

We need a real coaching team, smart assistants, and basic skills and patterns.

This is just beyond acceptable. Anyone who accepts it at this point is part of the cultural problem we have. At any serious club that first half would have massive ramifications. Let's see what we do.

so in all honesty who would we get? who would want to do it?

Someone who can 'coach' patterns, coach D, young assistants with tactical nous...

It is really important the young blokes we have learn and have a coach with game plans and tactical nous.

Ciraldo would be good.

Ciraldo? Not sure how he'd go.....look at Barrett. Both are/were worldbeaters at Penrith, Barrett has been a big flop at Canterbury.

But but he was the man behind Penrith’s attack. Or was that just because no one wanted to give Ivan credit? ?

Barrett was Penriths attack coach so why would people credit Ivan instead?
Penriths attack is just as good this year as last so it goes to show that players with talent are the reason why a team excels in attack moreso than who is coaching them. Look at how well Barrett's supposed genius coaching style translates to coaching a club who lacks talent.
It's pretty black and white.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

I remember hearing either Sterlo or Joey saying that with good teams, there is vey little difference between their best and their worst - we aren't a good team.

There is very little difference between our best and our worst either, it’s just on the wrong end of the scale!

 

[gallagher]

It is unacceptable.

Our coaching is not good enough. Our recruitment is not good enough. Our players are not good enough.

How players can put in no effort. How can they not ever have any line speed. How can they still not have a clue how to shut down offloads.

The same things have been killing us for a decade and there's still no progress

And yet so many different players during this time also, some very experienced, some rep players, some rookies - how can this still be with so many different team line ups? It’s like anyone that comes through the gates at Concord immediately becomes clueless on the basics of rugby league, despite many of them playing quite well for years previously. I just don’t get this at all.

It depends the type of people you get in, some people are followers and some people are leaders. When you remove a follower from a good system, even though they are doing well, they will follow the culture of the club they arrive at. So for example you could pull someone out of Melbourne and dump them in the Tigers squad and they will follow the poor systems at the Tigers because that's what followers do, in Melbourne they were following the systems and players that excel.

The aim is to find the leaders, people who demand excellence where ever they are and have the ability to maintain their own and drive the standards of others.

That why Penrith and now the warriors went after Gus. We did a worldwide search, according to the club, and came up with Justin from accounts.

Its players as well, we need to find the players that are leaders and not followers.

For sure.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I turned it off after 30 minutes...

Credit due where it's deserved, Melbourne are very, VERY good

I am still watching and, you know what Kul, Melb have not been 'that' good tonight. It is just a normal game / training drill.

Yes, great side...but they have barely raised a sweat.

This is entirely on us.

Our edge D is Z grade...Madge has had 2.5 years to get the edge D fixed, and has failed miserably.

We need more than rhetoric and speeches. They have their place and time, but we need a lot more.

We need a real coaching team, smart assistants, and basic skills and patterns.

This is just beyond acceptable. Anyone who accepts it at this point is part of the cultural problem we have. At any serious club that first half would have massive ramifications. Let's see what we do.

so in all honesty who would we get? who would want to do it?

Someone who can 'coach' patterns, coach D, young assistants with tactical nous...

It is really important the young blokes we have learn and have a coach with game plans and tactical nous.

Ciraldo would be good.

Ciraldo? Not sure how he'd go.....look at Barrett. Both are/were worldbeaters at Penrith, Barrett has been a big flop at Canterbury.

But but he was the man behind Penrith’s attack. Or was that just because no one wanted to give Ivan credit? ?

Barrett was Penriths attack coach so why would people credit Ivan instead?
Penriths attack is just as good this year as last so it goes to show that players with talent are the reason why a team excels in attack moreso than who is coaching them. Look at how well Barrett's supposed genius coaching style translates to coaching a club who lacks talent.
It's pretty black and white.

So why bother having a coach at all then ?‍♂️

 

[Geo]

Which combinations should Madge TRY to shuffle this week … I mean building combinations seems to work for a normal NRL team..

 

[Spud_Murphy]

It is unacceptable.

Our coaching is not good enough. Our recruitment is not good enough. Our players are not good enough.

How players can put in no effort. How can they not ever have any line speed. How can they still not have a clue how to shut down offloads.

The same things have been killing us for a decade and there's still no progress

And yet so many different players during this time also, some very experienced, some rep players, some rookies - how can this still be with so many different team line ups? It’s like anyone that comes through the gates at Concord immediately becomes clueless on the basics of rugby league, despite many of them playing quite well for years previously. I just don’t get this at all.

It depends the type of people you get in, some people are followers and some people are leaders. When you remove a follower from a good system, even though they are doing well, they will follow the culture of the club they arrive at. So for example you could pull someone out of Melbourne and dump them in the Tigers squad and they will follow the poor systems at the Tigers because that's what followers do, in Melbourne they were following the systems and players that excel.

The aim is to find the leaders, people who demand excellence where ever they are and have the ability to maintain their own and drive the standards of others.

Yes good point Cochise, I was hoping that Tamou would’ve provided some of that leadership since he’s played at the highest level and captained a team to the GF only last season. I had hoped that players in previous years like Reynolds, Anasta, Matulino, Ballin and even Mbye would’ve been that as well, having been strong leaders in their previous teams, but they all failed miserably here. Don’t know who else to look for at this stage, I don’t think anyone, player or coach, can turn us around.

 

[TigerNeddyK]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Backtracking and crabbing ..we ain’t got the cattle atm to take on top teams

Agree Hobbo. Let me ask you, do you think we will ever? Serious question. If so, how? Maybe I'm missing something. I hope I am.

Probably not .
Every comp needs a basket case to hone there skills on ..
Unfortunately we’re that basket case

Hard to believe we have won 5 games, but I am seriously concerned about the bye.

Bye always turn up against us.

At least the bye is consistent, this is who it is !?

 

[hobbo1]

Dogs up 10-6 😂

Nek minnit

 

[mike]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

We've gone backwards under Maguire. Many of the squad you've described are his selections.

Correct, but who else can he use? We have very little depth in the club.

Our depth is better than a lot of clubs.

Full of average players at best. Why do you think most of our plodders keep their position every week? There sin't anyone pushing to take their place.

Reserve grade is running 2nd, but I actually think that is part of the problem, a lot of players too good for reserve grade but not good enough for 1sts

No one in KOEC is actually pushing for a first grade spot. That's a major issue.