Confirmed: Matterson released from Wests Tigers.

[jirskyr]

We gain nothing by dropping him to reggies - absolutely nothing.

Well we do gain reputation - if you sign a contract with Tigers then you have to honour it. I don't know how much that reputation is worth.

The problem with releasing Matto is it's more precedent for players to worm out of contracts when they don't like something or other. It just makes life harder for the less successful clubs and adds to the imbalance in the system, because some players just want the bucks and an easy ride.

And it incentivises clubs to constantly undermine key players at their opposition.

Imagine you are Bulldogs and you legitimately want to sign Matto. You put unofficial feelers out to the manager, give some $$$ figures and start the ball rolling. It's then up to the player to figure something out, because the Bulldogs officially can't do anything.

Which is great for Bulldogs - it puts all the risk and backlash on the player. Any maybe you win out, maybe the player gets his release. And if not, you've destabilised your opposition for basically no effort at all.

 

[jirskyr]

Why would the club feel the need to announce that he’s been given the rest of 2019 off. Why would they not keep in house? Very strange.

I can only think that the Club is trying to make it very visible that they have done the right thing all the way through whatever is going on in the hope it well help them in any eventual resolution

Also, it puts pay to the story for a while. People have been clamouring for an official statement from the club, here it is, no more statements. Ryan is off duty until 2020, so the media don't start turning up to off-season training every day trying to get a sound byte from him.

Also if he isn't at training, the media will notice and they'll start making their own stories up about why.

Better to put a bullet in some of the innuendo.

 

[Telltails]

You can't keep an unhappy player in reserves. Fans forget about the human relationships in clubs. Players do not appreciate seeing their mates held back and it doesn't do well when you are trying to attract others. It creates disharmony and we get no value from it.
The system is flawed managers, players and clubs know it and until the NRL do something about it some will continue to take advantage of it.
The dumbest thing we can do is make this about our club because it is not. Klemmer, RCG, DWZ, Norman all players who recently broke contracts because they were "unhappy". It's called self interest.

 

[larry2005]

I didn't think you were allowed to negotiate with players with >12months remaining on their contract. If titans have made an offer they should be punished....NRL seems happy to punish us heavily for not following the rules

 

[jirskyr]

But to answer your question - I would be back if the club could demonstrate change and growth. I’m sick of the same crap every year.
Some are saying the Matterson thing is not of the clubs doing. Maybe. But why does this happen to us so often?

Unfortunately that's too generic. How do we measure "change and growth"? You put down a whole list of complaints against the NRL, fine, but Wests don't control the NRL.

You "walked away from losses gutted". Great, that means you care. But losses are a part of footy, so we can't be overdramatic when they occur.

Lastly, why does what happen to us so often? Players kicking up a stink to try and leave? This is the second time that I am aware of, after Moses. Possibly Terry Hill too if you go back far enough into Magpies.

If you mean to include the coach, it happens in other places. Bulldogs basically undercut Manly to get Des Hasler, then that all ended horridly anyway. Broncos undercut Souths with Siebold. Knights had a heart-to-heart with Brownie and he fell on his sword. It's just part of the modern game I'm afraid - supporter expectations, like yours, are so high that clubs have to be ruthless in all fashions to try obtain tiny advantages.

But I would assure you that these things happen to most clubs a lot, not just Tigers. You are just myopic about it as a Tigers supporter. Cast your eyes a little wider afield and basically every club apart from Roosters or Storm have some kind of major trouble on their books right now. Maybe Manly and Raiders because 2019 have been major upswings for them, they are riding a high. And even they are not immune.

 

[balmain boy]

Players and agents simply have far too much control in the game today. They run the league, but they shouldn't have anywhere near the power they do. They need to be smacked down a few dozen notches.

They're happy to sign long term deals on big money and play reggies to earn their money but when the shoe's on the other foot they demand the ability to walk out whenever they want. It can't work that way.

The league itself needs to stop this rubbish from happening. A trade window is the very minimum requirement for the league in this regard. If he wants to go, fine, but whichever club wants him has to offer us a package to entice us into releasing him. That's what happens in football around the world, in the NBA, the NHL, the NFL heck even the AFL have a trade window. If a club doesn't offer a sufficient package then the player remains until a package which meets their valuation of the player is received. Everyone wins and the credibility of the sport remains in tact.

In the meantime Matto can either train and play for us or play Nsw cup where he'll have no chance of playing Origin.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I am calling Matterson out to being a "Super Hypocrite"

If he considers himself a Christian then he would honour and fulfill the contract he signed. Not break his word, not seek a release and certainly not go after more money from us or other clubs whilst he accepted certain figures from us.

If he considers himself a Christian he certainly would not pretend to be physically or mentally sick if he wasn't, would he?

I am sure some or all of the above is true - therefore Mr Matterson stop pretending to being something you are not. You are being a hypocrite.

There is Christianity and then there is Assemblies of God/Hillsong/Shire Live Christianity. The latter is very different to Catholicism or the Church of England. Have you ever tried dating a woman from Hillsong/Shire Live? You won't get far until you are singing along with raised hands next to Scomo and praying for their business men and women to make bucket loads. Check which club in Sydney had strong links to this Church,

 

[jirskyr]

@Aceshigh
Goodness some of you guys won’t relent.
**No other job in the world can you not turn up to your boss one day and say I quit. Contract or no contract.** Yes it’s good money they are on and as fans we hope they stick around but they deserve the right to be treated as humans and it’s ok for them to have a change of heart.

I'm not from the business world, but i believe yes, you can quit at any time, but usually you have to sign a "non compete" contract?

You can quit, but that doesn't mean you can move on. That's how the fixed contract works. You can default your pay and benefits, but the contract holder can block you from taking up new work with a competitor, if they choose to do this. Depends on the internal competition within the industry.

 

[balmain boy]

You can't keep an unhappy player in reserves. Fans forget about the human relationships in clubs. Players do not appreciate seeing their mates held back and it doesn't do well when you are trying to attract others. It creates disharmony and we get no value from it.
The system is flawed managers, players and clubs know it and until the NRL do something about it some will continue to take advantage of it.
The dumbest thing we can do is make this about our club because it is not. Klemmer, RCG, DWZ, Norman all players who recently broke contracts because they were "unhappy". It's called self interest.

Of course you can. The team mates know that it is that player's decision, they control their destiny and could very easily be playing NRL if they decided to act in a professional manner. Players would lose respect for a friend and team mate acting in such a selfish and childish manner.

Klemmer needed out of Sydney for family reasons (which is different) and RCG, DWZ and Norman were all unwanted by their clubs. Matterson is not unwanted. That's the difference.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Is this the biggest fall from Grace since Scott Prince signed with the TiTans...?

I'll hand out the pitchforks ..@hobbo1 you're on the tar @happy_tiger you get the feathers..


Woo hoo !

Prince was pussy whipped ..
Matterson’s just a flog ...

Typical of you though...
Don’t won’t to get your hands dirty ?

Geo will be the one to carry and throw him out

 

[pawsandclaws1]

A usually reliable poster on the Sharks' forum posted that Peachey has been offered to WTs for Matterson, No thanks don't want Peachey anywhere near our club, Way overrated in my opinion, Scott and Lomax are far better options,

 

[avocadoontoast]

A usually reliable poster on the Sharks' forum posted that Peachey has been offered to WTs for Matterson, No thanks don't want Peachey anywhere near our club, Way overrated in my opinion, Scott and Lomax are far better options,

That would be a shocking deal for us. I'd swap Peachey for Reynolds though.

 

[Newtown]

A usually reliable poster on the Sharks' forum posted that Peachey has been offered to WTs for Matterson, No thanks don't want Peachey anywhere near our club, Way overrated in my opinion, Scott and Lomax are far better options,

That offer from Sharks is another insult to Wests Tigers. Stand up Wests Tigers and show that you are not the NRL's easiest, dumbest pushover club.

 

[TheDaBoss]

A usually reliable poster on the Sharks' forum posted that Peachey has been offered to WTs for Matterson, No thanks don't want Peachey anywhere near our club, Way overrated in my opinion, Scott and Lomax are far better options,

That would be a shocking deal for us. I'd swap Peachey for Reynolds though.

Peachys form at the titans is a bit meh atm

 

[AnotherOne]

Peachys form at the titans is a bit meh atm

Yep agreed @TheDaBoss . I'd personally keep Reynolds over Peachey

 

[Jimmy]

@TheDaBoss agreed don’t need another Mbye in our squad cause that’s all peachy is

 

[Thaiger]

@balmain-boy Totally understand that the courts wouldn't allow it due to restraint of trade but surely all this nonsense (and let's be clear we don't know what really has happened with Matterson just yet) could be contained if contracts are limited to one or two years only for coaches and players?

Longer term contracts are fraught with danger because they don't take into account changes over the term (good and bad) and also breed complacency.

No player or coach movement for that period and surely an easier way to manage injuries and the salary cap and also limit the chance from both sides that they wish to renege on an agreed deal?

Three, four and five years is a long time in business and things can change rapidly.

People's word and signed contracts mean nothing obviously when their circumstances change and yet we persist in allowing these longer term deals to take place where in many cases clubs, players and coaches are unhappy for whatever reason.

I find the ease and ability for a coach, club or player to easily pull out of an agreed deal and the example it sets to the younger players coming through as diabolical.

Certainly I'd be telling my son to be very wary of any long term deal and if you really want to win a comp and get a better deal then you have to be loyal, ethical and do your best to get an upgrade after your contract is up after the 12 to 24 months. I can only go by example. If he's good enough that will be my advice to him.

Everyone seems to get excited and to secure a contract offer the world but as soon as something doesn't go one's way it's now "I know we had a contract but.....".

I have no time for club, coach or player that wishes to renege on a deal unless it is mutually agreed (which would be rare). If Matterson's case is different then ok but we will have to wait and see what the situation really is.

 

[Needaname]

@pawsandclaws1
Not surprised.

People are forgetting Meninga is in charge of that club now.
His not likely to offer anything that comes as a disadvantage to them.

Weren’t we thinking of Peachy 12 months ago for the vacant centre position?
I recall the Forum pretty excited about it.

What a difference a year makes

 

[Jimmy]

@pawsandclaws1 aha so now this is a oh matto Christian he bad Christian’s all bad thread lol

 

[ALX22]

Does he wish to go back to the Roosters?

If so, the club should ask for a suitable player swap.

Who would you choose? Which Roosters player/or players would they let go?