Coronavirus Outbreak

[weststigers]

we got a long way to go in NSW to fight this. The ship docking in CQ was an utter disaster of biblical proportions

Pity it is a Commonwealth responsibility. Why do you think the NSW Police are now responsible for preventing the disembarkation of passengers and crew?

Because they have the power to do so as it's not a Commonwealth responsibility. ABF may be many things but they have no power to prevent people from disembarking the ship. A preceding order made by the Minister for Health would need to have been given, and the order is specific to a person, not an object. I've been involved in numerous discussions around these types of matters all week and without going into further detail the laws need to be changed because these issues fall back to the state and that's where the confusion lies because we're dealing with international points of entry in relation to a health crisis.

So who is the Director of National Biosecurity in the Home Affairs Dep't. and what was his or her role. in the berthing of the ship?

The STOPTHEBOAT freaks failed to.stop the boat that really needed to be stopped. The bordermeister instead had his black shirts hunting down toilet paper hoarders in Coles.

Next. election, Scotty from marketing will be able to say that he did stop the boats except for one.

Relax...Scotty's got this


First post I read this morning which. Gave me a good laugh. Thanks

Glad I can help mate :wink: :laughing:

 

[TrueTiger]

The pictures at St Kilda and Manly today are more proof that many souls are just full blown fools

When will people get it ...do they want a full shutdown ??

You wait and see Hap the PM will be outraged at the irresponsibility of these people...full blown lockdown...here we come …...thanks DHs...

And they are Sydney and Melbourne DHs
It wouldn't happen up her in QLD
Why do us Queenslanders have to set a good example of how to behave responsibility all the time
You southerners are disgraceful
And you have a hide to have a go at Happy

Yeah. QLD govt is responsible, just forces people to council elections at this time. Queenslanders are real smart lead by an idiotic govt.

Yes it is stupid of the Qld Government for alowing this election to go ahead at this time
Yet they expect people to self isolate
They are not setting a good example by putting over 1,000,000 lives at risk

And CT you were saying how stupid the rest of the states were....because Im an understanding person I will put your remarks aside seeing your a Qlder….the rest of us are a forgiving lot ...just remember mate this thing is effecting all of us and it don't matter what state you are in..the Qld govt should have put the election on hold in my opinion for everybodies safety..love your work with some of the funny posts mate keep it up......just on a serious note CT we love banter and taking the piss out of each other but this thing is going to be big if we don't look after each other and heed the advice of the experts..

 

[twentyforty]

I’m having difficulty in understanding social distancing rules? It seems ok to stand in a queue to vote but a funeral must be limited to 10 mourners. It seems ok for hairdressers to continue to work, but beaches must be closed because the bathers are getting too close?
Has this pandemic shown us how ineffective our political system is ? Or are we just lacking leadership? I can understand why we need to take advice from WHO , but we always seem to be behind the pace? Russia closed its borders, and started contact tracing, in January. I’m not suggesting Russia is a model to follow or a country I would like to live in , merely pointing to decisive leadership.


Not having a go at you, nor am I necessarily defending the Govt or leadership, but what exactly do you think they should do? Are you suggesting a full lockdown?

Seems that most people are screaming that the Govt "should do more!!!" but I think it seems to be a lot of people who would not vote Libs in any situation.

Personally, I dont want the Govt to do more, or do less. I want them to take the advice of ALL the experts available to them to chart a course that navigates the tricky path of minimising deaths, ensuring our health system is not overwhelmed yet maintaining the maximum economic heartbeat possible.

Of course the natural reaction is to think to stop everything, shut down everything in total lockdown, and it may come to that and be necessary if it looks like it will overwhelm the health system, and Id be all for it in those circumstances, but if it is possible to reduce the rate of spread to a point that the health system can cope, yet keep as much of the economy running, then for me that is the best path.

This may seem callous for want of a better word, but when this is over, we are going to need to climb out of it and the depth of the decline economically will have a massive impact on many peoples lives for years to come and it will be the lower socioeconomic levels hit hardest. Rich people with assets will make it through.

The natural reaction is always 1 death is too many, but we average 4500 deaths a year for influenza and we dont shut down the economy to save those deaths. I am NOT suggeting this is the same as the flu, its not and if we did nothing there would be more than 10 x that number dead, but there does need to be a balance between possibility of deaths and possibility of economic depression.

5150, I’m not having a go at you either and I’m not wanting to get into a any pee high club discussion.
Just pointing out my observation that we always appear to be a country which follows, rather than one which gets on the front foot instinctively and decisively does what’s best for Australia and it’s citizens. There was a time when citizenship meant something. Anyway, cheer on your club if you like, but it doesn’t explain the failings in our political system.
Here’s an example..
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6698458/hairdressers-call-for-clear-messaging-directive-to-close-from-government/

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Tossing up what to watch... Deep Impact Outbreak Contagion or the jewel in the crown Resident Evil..

Freddy Got Fingered.

 

[twentyforty]

Tossing up what to watch... Deep Impact Outbreak Contagion or the jewel in the crown Resident Evil..

Freddy Got Fingered.

There’s a 1965 flick “Ship of Fools” starring Lee Marvin, which you may like. ?

 

[Tiger5150]

I’m having difficulty in understanding social distancing rules? It seems ok to stand in a queue to vote but a funeral must be limited to 10 mourners. It seems ok for hairdressers to continue to work, but beaches must be closed because the bathers are getting too close?
Has this pandemic shown us how ineffective our political system is ? Or are we just lacking leadership? I can understand why we need to take advice from WHO , but we always seem to be behind the pace? Russia closed its borders, and started contact tracing, in January. I’m not suggesting Russia is a model to follow or a country I would like to live in , merely pointing to decisive leadership.


Not having a go at you, nor am I necessarily defending the Govt or leadership, but what exactly do you think they should do? Are you suggesting a full lockdown?

Seems that most people are screaming that the Govt "should do more!!!" but I think it seems to be a lot of people who would not vote Libs in any situation.

Personally, I dont want the Govt to do more, or do less. I want them to take the advice of ALL the experts available to them to chart a course that navigates the tricky path of minimising deaths, ensuring our health system is not overwhelmed yet maintaining the maximum economic heartbeat possible.

Of course the natural reaction is to think to stop everything, shut down everything in total lockdown, and it may come to that and be necessary if it looks like it will overwhelm the health system, and Id be all for it in those circumstances, but if it is possible to reduce the rate of spread to a point that the health system can cope, yet keep as much of the economy running, then for me that is the best path.

This may seem callous for want of a better word, but when this is over, we are going to need to climb out of it and the depth of the decline economically will have a massive impact on many peoples lives for years to come and it will be the lower socioeconomic levels hit hardest. Rich people with assets will make it through.

The natural reaction is always 1 death is too many, but we average 4500 deaths a year for influenza and we dont shut down the economy to save those deaths. I am NOT suggeting this is the same as the flu, its not and if we did nothing there would be more than 10 x that number dead, but there does need to be a balance between possibility of deaths and possibility of economic depression.


5150, I’m not having a go at you either and I’m not wanting to get into a any pee high club discussion.
Just pointing out my observation that we always appear to be a country which follows, rather than one which gets on the front foot instinctively and decisively does what’s best for Australia and it’s citizens. There was a time when citizenship meant something. Anyway, cheer on your club if you like, but it doesn’t explain the failings in our political system.
Here’s an example..
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6698458/hairdressers-call-for-clear-messaging-directive-to-close-from-government/

Mate I dont necessarily disagree with you and I am **definitely** not wanting to get into a club discussion, in fact I dont actually feel like I have a club in this discussion, definitely not one Im cheering on.

Part of what prompted me to respond to your post was listening to discussions about what is going on in the UK. Their strategy is a bit different to what is going on in Italy & US and to a great extent appears to be a lot more successful. Their strategy is not based on auto lock down but involves lock down when required.

Im not sure what you are specifically referring to when you say the Govt which follows, particularly when we were the second country to shut borders to China, Iran & Italy. It is entirely possible that the strategy that the Aus Govt is following, on the advice of their experts, is entirely intentional and what is happening is EXACTLY what they are trying to do, but merely is different to the instinctive reaction of the general population, who aren't aware of the advice they are getting from the expertise.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I’m sitting on my front verandah which overlooks a fairly major road. Traffic is nonstop. How stupid are we? What part of ‘stay home’ is so hard to understand. Fairdinkum we live in a selfish Society

 

[pawsandclaws1]

it was gladys that didnt stop the cruise boat not Scomo
i have said before better than idiot shorten and his union mates running the show or Eachway Albo

The Aust Constitution. transferred certain departments to the Commonwealth including naval, military and quarantine.

It is a Fed responsibility but if they choose to use local assets it is up to Feds to lead.

As for potato head, he has coronavirus so I guess he wanted everyone else to. have it as well via Ruby Princess.

 

[diedpretty]

Government gearing up for "foreign entities with ties to their governments" snapping up Australian assets weakened by current economic conditions.Let us hope they are up the task.

Let's hope the Government bans future foreign ownership of land in this country
Lease ok but ownership no
And a lease like standard industrial property with a 3 x 3 or 5 x 5 year lease
Not a 99 year lease

And limits share in any company in this country to less than 49% with all taxes to be paid in this country, not taken off shore

Time to take ownership of this country and not sell it off

Someone tried to do that 50 years ago and was booted out of office by the buffoons with no foresight.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Meanwhile, back to politics relating to this crisis. To my knowledge, as the opposition's of any persuasion at both Federal and State level have not been given a single seat at any of the decision tables, they are free to put their in two bob's worth outside of that, as long as it is constructive. As such, we can only judge the response of those in charge of those jurisdictions and discuss alternatives.

I dont think its reasonable to expect opposition to be given a seat at a decision table, unless there is a specific committee formed. Govt will live or die by these decisions and its unreasonable to expect them to include the opposition and I think it would be counterproductive.

A good example of this is the rescue package just passed in the US (the largest $$$ bill ever passed in history). It was a bipartisan bill, written and constructed by both Republicans and democrats. At the last minute it was stopped by Nancy Pelosi who held it up for three days getting prk barrelling like $25M for the JFK Centre for Arts and Performance. Not very productive.

Our system doesnt really allow the kind of bipartisanship that you are suggesting, but I am sure that in these big decisions that the opposition is being briefed about what is going on and needed.

IMO if Labor was in power, the measures taken would be IDENTICAL, after taking advice from the same experts. Where there would be difference would be the economic stimulus packages where I think there would be significant differences and its impossible to say who would be right or wrong (IVe been impressed with the idea that business only get handouts if they keep employees employed).

I havent voted Labor since Keating but Ive been impressed with their restraint in these circumstances. They have had a few jabs at peripheral things (like clarity in communication...fair enough) but they havent torn into the Govt which I think is sensible. No doubt they are being involved behind the scenes and they also want Australia to get through as well as they can.

Bipartisan bill is a big stretch and there was a hell of a lot more to the negotiations in the US than that example, with many amendments made and I think there are still a lot of problems with it, particularly the roll out to individuals, but no need to go further here.

As to locally, identical no, vastly different, also no, but it is hard to see how anyone could strongly disagree with the rest thus far. The biggest problem for me is the role, or lack of it from Border Force, regardless of demarcation. That and the extent of yet another parliament closure, which is a hallmark of this government and makes it harder for an opposition to be involved.

I hate Scamo more than most, but try to put that aside when evaluating as a whole and as such, there is not much personal nitpicking from me on current events. That said, I have a big issue with the operation of Centrelink earlier this week and will air it later.

 

[diedpretty]

it was gladys that didnt stop the cruise boat not Scomo
i have said before better than idiot shorten and his union mates running the show or Eachway Albo

Was also Gladys who wanted to spend money on stadiums instead of hospitals.

Not wanted to - she did.

 

[diedpretty]

Gladys will get back in in NSW easily time of crisis stick with Libs usually plus no opposition.

With fanboys like you she must be a chance.

 

[Snake]

Gladys will get back in in NSW easily time of crisis stick with Libs usually plus no opposition.

With fanboys like you she must be a chance.

Glady’s will not be contesting the next election as leader put your money on it ! The whispers are very loud .

 

[Cairnstigers]

The pictures at St Kilda and Manly today are more proof that many souls are just full blown fools

When will people get it ...do they want a full shutdown ??

You wait and see Hap the PM will be outraged at the irresponsibility of these people...full blown lockdown...here we come …...thanks DHs...

And they are Sydney and Melbourne DHs
It wouldn't happen up her in QLD
Why do us Queenslanders have to set a good example of how to behave responsibility all the time
You southerners are disgraceful
And you have a hide to have a go at Happy

Yeah. QLD govt is responsible, just forces people to council elections at this time. Queenslanders are real smart lead by an idiotic govt.

Yes it is stupid of the Qld Government for alowing this election to go ahead at this time
Yet they expect people to self isolate
They are not setting a good example by putting over 1,000,000 lives at risk

And CT you were saying how stupid the rest of the states were....because Im an understanding person I will put your remarks aside seeing your a Qlder….the rest of us are a forgiving lot ...just remember mate this thing is effecting all of us and it don't matter what state you are in..the Qld govt should have put the election on hold in my opinion for everybodies safety..love your work with some of the funny posts mate keep it up......just on a serious note CT we love banter and taking the piss out of each other but this thing is going to be big if we don't look after each other and heed the advice of the experts..

I agree mate
My posts have been sarcastic
The Government/ Councils talk the talk
But they don't seem to be doing the Walk the Walk
Some businesses are shutting down of there own accord
Some are being forced
Why not go to total shutdown for 3 to 4 weeks

Everyone on two weeks compulsory holiday staying at home
Even if it's not owing it can come out of your next year's holiday
Then bring all national holidays forward from next year
Eg : Australia day, Queens Birthday, Labour day
Tack it all onto the back of the Compulsory 2 week holiday
Use sick days if needed
Next year we work through those days to pay this time back
Its a small sacrifice to pay to save what could be you or someone in your families life

The country will shut down, it's just a matter of when the politicians have the balls to do it

 

[Tim Sheens]

A patient attended the hospital asking to be tested for COVID-19. He was asked if he had recently arrived from a hotspot. He told them ..no, so was sent away with a flu diagnosis. A week later when doing his own contact tracing he realised he had attended a wedding which included at least one other guest with confirmed COVID -19. He returned to the hospital and was tested positive. It’s easy to flatten the curve if we’re testing the wrong people.

I assume that you omitted a word in your ultimate sentence and whilst our testing has certainly ramped up after what I feel was initially a slow and narrow response, we need to keep doing more as each day passes.

Virtual wholesale testing is what I expect will be needed to get us back to resuming some semblance of what was normal, with an antibodies detection program probably a key part of that as well. I trust that the government is making arrangements for that level of control.

Despite some hiccups, our nation has probably gotten close to where we need to be isolation wise, through a combination of blanket measures, individual state and territory rules, businesses self closing as circumstances altered trading volume and individual choices such as parents self removing children from schools.

I have always been in favour of schools remaining open, but only operating on a skeleton staff catering to the children of the true essential workers, not the silly new norm of every job being called essential on the back of the PM's gaffe. Would also hope that they will remain open through the proposed holidays for similar support if things get much worse health wise.

 

[Nelson]

I have always been in favour of schools remaining open, but only operating on a skeleton staff catering to the children of the true essential workers, not the silly new norm of every job being called essential on the back of the PM's gaffe. Would also hope that they will remain open through the proposed holidays for similar support if things get much worse health wise.

I don't think they should stay open for the school holidays - the teachers should be given the chance for a break. The facilities could be used for out of school hours care providers to look after the kids of essential workers which would give them a chance to earn some income rather than have their business completely flatline.

 

[twentyforty]

I’m sitting on my front verandah which overlooks a fairly major road. Traffic is nonstop. How stupid are we? What part of ‘stay home’ is so hard to understand. Fairdinkum we live in a selfish Society

Steve, I see the same thing and wonder what it is that makes so many move around? I was wondering, if the limits on retail items has something to do with shoppers being more active? I was thinking about getting a click and collect order for a few neighbours. Didn’t want to be the only one in the street with good reds 😂 during lock down. Sorry no can do. It had to be 5 seperate orders. ☹️

 

[twentyforty]

Government gearing up for "foreign entities with ties to their governments" snapping up Australian assets weakened by current economic conditions.Let us hope they are up the task.

Let's hope the Government bans future foreign ownership of land in this country
Lease ok but ownership no
And a lease like standard industrial property with a 3 x 3 or 5 x 5 year lease
Not a 99 year lease

And limits share in any company in this country to less than 49% with all taxes to be paid in this country, not taken off shore

Time to take ownership of this country and not sell it off

Someone tried to do that 50 years ago and was booted out of office by the buffoons with no foresight.

Following that a more modern day buffoon came with a more stupid idea. We should charge $50,000 for citizenship. I think he went by the name Rudd.

 

[jirskyr]

a good close firm hug

Nothing satisfies like a good old close firm hug. It's like a cup of tomato juice when you are thirsty - it will do a job but absolutely not what you had in mind.

 

[weststigers]

it was gladys that didnt stop the cruise boat not Scomo
i have said before better than idiot shorten and his union mates running the show or Eachway Albo

The Aust Constitution. transferred certain departments to the Commonwealth including naval, military and quarantine.

It is a Fed responsibility but if they choose to use local assets it is up to Feds to lead.

As for potato head, he has coronavirus so I guess he wanted everyone else to. have it as well via Ruby Princess.

Relax....Boris has it covered