Coronavirus Outbreak

[cktiger]

There. are two good articles one on 9 and the other news about the developing cruise ship story in WA. One ship with mostly Germans aboard has a reported 70 passengers with the virus. Since the demographic is toward elderly and the plan to fly them home appears no longer feasible, what happens? This situation could overwhelm available ICU facilities in WA. I suggest the Germans arrange medevac flights home.

A third story confirms the cruise industry is in trouble and the filthy conditions found by new Australian passengers aboard a ship.

I don't think medevac flights have that kind of range, or anything close to it. Resources are going to be stretched across the globe. They're people and they're here so we should just help them and forget about nationality.

The German government will arrange and pay to get them home, same as our government is doing for our citizens.
On another note - considering the number of pandemics to hit the world it's amazing how every travel insurer has a clause that gets it out of paying anything to people who had tours cancelled or had to pay for extra flights.

I have German friend currently stuck in Sri Lanka. Germany has told her “that’s a sad story, good luck” (except in German of course)

Maybe she should tell them she’s an asylum seeker.

 

[NT_Tiger]

The majik easter bunny is on his way to the USA.

 

[happy_tiger]

Surgeries will cease in Qld on Wednesday

 

[Cairnstigers]

There. are two good articles one on 9 and the other news about the developing cruise ship story in WA. One ship with mostly Germans aboard has a reported 70 passengers with the virus. Since the demographic is toward elderly and the plan to fly them home appears no longer feasible, what happens? This situation could overwhelm available ICU facilities in WA. I suggest the Germans arrange medevac flights home.

A third story confirms the cruise industry is in trouble and the filthy conditions found by new Australian passengers aboard a ship.

Cruise industry is toast.

You’d never get me on one ..
They’re basically shopping centres that float (with beds )

And in All you can eat buffet's..

I've been on 2 ..one when the kids were little to Pacific Islands was OK not our cup of tea..

And a short 4 day one last year for a friends 50th ..I swear there was one tub of lard no matter what time you went past like 5am to midnight was in the same seat in the buffet area..had a happy t-shirt on..

Sounds like they must have been in you seat Geo
Why were you going past and looking into the buffet from 5am to midnight
Was it the Cheese Cake
That's where I would be

 

[Geo]

There. are two good articles one on 9 and the other news about the developing cruise ship story in WA. One ship with mostly Germans aboard has a reported 70 passengers with the virus. Since the demographic is toward elderly and the plan to fly them home appears no longer feasible, what happens? This situation could overwhelm available ICU facilities in WA. I suggest the Germans arrange medevac flights home.

A third story confirms the cruise industry is in trouble and the filthy conditions found by new Australian passengers aboard a ship.

Cruise industry is toast.

You’d never get me on one ..
They’re basically shopping centres that float (with beds )

And in All you can eat buffet's..

I've been on 2 ..one when the kids were little to Pacific Islands was OK not our cup of tea..

And a short 4 day one last year for a friends 50th ..I swear there was one tub of lard no matter what time you went past like 5am to midnight was in the same seat in the buffet area..had a happy t-shirt on..

Sounds like they must have been in you seat Geo
Why were you going past and looking into the buffet from 5am to midnight
Was it the Cheese Cake
That's where I would be

Never ate at the buffet crap food we went to the restaurant but the trip from the cabin to the Casino and sports Bar was via the Buffet..

 

[weststigers]

it was gladys that didnt stop the cruise boat not Scomo
i have said before better than idiot shorten and his union mates running the show or Eachway Albo

The Aust Constitution. transferred certain departments to the Commonwealth including naval, military and quarantine.

It is a Fed responsibility but if they choose to use local assets it is up to Feds to lead.

As for potato head, he has coronavirus so I guess he wanted everyone else to. have it as well via Ruby Princess.

Relax....Boris has it covered


I thought it was the other Boris. Great work?

Coalition of the willing ?

 

[bathursttiger1]

There. are two good articles one on 9 and the other news about the developing cruise ship story in WA. One ship with mostly Germans aboard has a reported 70 passengers with the virus. Since the demographic is toward elderly and the plan to fly them home appears no longer feasible, what happens? This situation could overwhelm available ICU facilities in WA. I suggest the Germans arrange medevac flights home.

A third story confirms the cruise industry is in trouble and the filthy conditions found by new Australian passengers aboard a ship.

I don't think medevac flights have that kind of range, or anything close to it. Resources are going to be stretched across the globe. They're people and they're here so we should just help them and forget about nationality.

The German government will arrange and pay to get them home, same as our government is doing for our citizens.
On another note - considering the number of pandemics to hit the world it's amazing how every travel insurer has a clause that gets it out of paying anything to people who had tours cancelled or had to pay for extra flights.

Insurers are vultures ..... happy to take your money but when it comes to payouts they hide under rocks.
I cancelled my South America trip in July and have no claims to make as final payments not been processed and suppliers have either refunded or issued future travel credits.
My insurer backsliding on premium cover refund.

Insurance companies are good at 2 things: 1. Collecting money. 2. not paying out and money.

 

[happy_tiger]

There. are two good articles one on 9 and the other news about the developing cruise ship story in WA. One ship with mostly Germans aboard has a reported 70 passengers with the virus. Since the demographic is toward elderly and the plan to fly them home appears no longer feasible, what happens? This situation could overwhelm available ICU facilities in WA. I suggest the Germans arrange medevac flights home.

A third story confirms the cruise industry is in trouble and the filthy conditions found by new Australian passengers aboard a ship.

I don't think medevac flights have that kind of range, or anything close to it. Resources are going to be stretched across the globe. They're people and they're here so we should just help them and forget about nationality.

The German government will arrange and pay to get them home, same as our government is doing for our citizens.
On another note - considering the number of pandemics to hit the world it's amazing how every travel insurer has a clause that gets it out of paying anything to people who had tours cancelled or had to pay for extra flights.

Insurers are vultures ..... happy to take your money but when it comes to payouts they hide under rocks.
I cancelled my South America trip in July and have no claims to make as final payments not been processed and suppliers have either refunded or issued future travel credits.
My insurer backsliding on premium cover refund.

Insurance companies are good at 2 things: 1. Collecting money. 2. not paying out and money.

I can say I've never had an issue with Suncorp ....but they charge like wounded bulls

 

[TillLindemann]

People argue about Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, Scomo, China etc. But if you want to see a textbook case of what NOT to do with coronavirus look at Brazil and its lunatic leader.

Cases there will explode for sure due to his approach.

I'll be amazed if they don't have the most cases of any country in a month's time.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

How is the form of the 33. medical professionals who defied the new quarantine rules and returned to their home States on domestic flights ? Six were caught by Federal Police and made to quarantine. Does this. mean all other passengers on those flights have to quarantine? If so those arrogant knobs should pay all expenses as well as being punished,

 

[Snake]

Actually any on those flights that did contract the virus would be able to sue the individuals involved as they have a duty of care under the law to comply with the detective given which they did not ! I would also like to see these individuals hand cuffed and paraded to the media ! Remember the document the PM said would be enforced .. time for the populace to face the reality of what’s happening !

 

[BZN]

The pictures at St Kilda and Manly today are more proof that many souls are just full blown fools

When will people get it ...do they want a full shutdown ??

You wait and see Hap the PM will be outraged at the irresponsibility of these people...full blown lockdown...here we come …...thanks DHs...

And they are Sydney and Melbourne DHs
It wouldn't happen up her in QLD
Why do us Queenslanders have to set a good example of how to behave responsibility all the time
You southerners are disgraceful
And you have a hide to have a go at Happy

I heard a funny remark on the A.B.C. this arvo @Cairnstigers.
A Qld bloke was being interviewed re having to cross the Qld/N.S.W. border to go to work then return home.
He said he 'always' carries a can of cockroach spray with him whenever he needs to enter N.S.W.

 

[TrueTiger]

There. are two good articles one on 9 and the other news about the developing cruise ship story in WA. One ship with mostly Germans aboard has a reported 70 passengers with the virus. Since the demographic is toward elderly and the plan to fly them home appears no longer feasible, what happens? This situation could overwhelm available ICU facilities in WA. I suggest the Germans arrange medevac flights home.

A third story confirms the cruise industry is in trouble and the filthy conditions found by new Australian passengers aboard a ship.

Cruise industry is toast.

You’d never get me on one ..
They’re basically shopping centres that float (with beds )

And in All you can eat buffet's..

I've been on 2 ..one when the kids were little to Pacific Islands was OK not our cup of tea..

And a short 4 day one last year for a friends 50th ..I swear there was one tub of lard no matter what time you went past like 5am to midnight was in the same seat in the buffet area..had a happy t-shirt on..

I went on a cruise about 4 years ago GEO,it went to New Caladonia,11 day cruise...I don't think I would go another one because I did feel like I was on a floating booze and eat fest,throw in the casino and pokies,and it would of been cheaper to go to Wests Leagues at Leumeah for a week...It went to Neoumea,Port Villa.Lifeu and Mystery I sland...It was a learning curve but I wouldn't do it again..It was also boring after a while once back on the ship after being in one of the ports and up to the top deck for swimming and drinking day after day..

 

[Cairnstigers]

The pictures at St Kilda and Manly today are more proof that many souls are just full blown fools

When will people get it ...do they want a full shutdown ??

You wait and see Hap the PM will be outraged at the irresponsibility of these people...full blown lockdown...here we come …...thanks DHs...

And they are Sydney and Melbourne DHs
It wouldn't happen up her in QLD
Why do us Queenslanders have to set a good example of how to behave responsibility all the time
You southerners are disgraceful
And you have a hide to have a go at Happy

I heard a funny remark on the A.B.C. this arvo @Cairnstigers.
A Qld bloke was being interviewed re having to cross the Qld/N.S.W. border to go to work then return home.
He said he 'always' carries a can of cockroach spray with him whenever he needs to enter N.S.W.

I don't blame him as the buggers just don't leave you alone
But I take a few Toads with me. That seems to get rid of them

In saying that
I was Born in Sydney and I consider myself as a New Southwalsh man
I'll just go wash my mouth out with soap now

 

[Cairnstigers]

Boris Johnson tests positive for Covid-19.

Refer: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-52058788


 

[Tim Sheens]

Upon a little more reflection, having given some benefit of the doubt, it is time to give more direction in closing things down as looking at the news and social media reports including those on here. When so many employers are joining the chorus and the two most populous states somewhat biting their tongues, whilst businesses are already showing that the current aim doesn't work in practice.

Why wait another week or fortnight and extend the pain as it plays out naturally, at the expense of more loss and anxiety, when it is going to occur regardless as long as each infected person is passing it on to more than one other, even if at a low rate.

We are just treading water until the spread rate is less than 1 and our pain will just continue until it is well below that rate.

 

[happy_tiger]

Upon a little more reflection, having given some benefit of the doubt, it is time to give more direction in closing things down as looking at the news and social media reports including those on here. When so many employers are joining the chorus and the two most populous states somewhat biting their tongues, whilst businesses are already showing that the current aim doesn't work in practice.

Why wait another week or fortnight and extend the pain as it plays out naturally, at the expense of more loss and anxiety, when it is going to occur regardless as long as each infected person is passing it on to more than one other, even if at a low rate.

We are just treading water until the spread rate is less than 1 and our pain will just continue until it is well below that rate.

Yes ...but we can only tread water for so long ...if the rates continue at the current rate a Tsunami is heading our way

 

[TrueTiger]

Upon a little more reflection, having given some benefit of the doubt, it is time to give more direction in closing things down as looking at the news and social media reports including those on here. When so many employers are joining the chorus and the two most populous states somewhat biting their tongues, whilst businesses are already showing that the current aim doesn't work in practice.

Why wait another week or fortnight and extend the pain as it plays out naturally, at the expense of more loss and anxiety, when it is going to occur regardless as long as each infected person is passing it on to more than one other, even if at a low rate.

We are just treading water until the spread rate is less than 1 and our pain will just continue until it is well below that rate.

Yes ...but we can only tread water for so long ...if the rates continue at the current rate a Tsunami is heading our way

It already is heading our way Hap and we must be prepared for it....the people who are defying the expert advice are the people who are going to make this much bigger than expected...It goes to show right through history that the ones doing the right thing have to suffer because of the ones who do the wrong thing....

 

[twentyforty]

I’m having difficulty in understanding social distancing rules? It seems ok to stand in a queue to vote but a funeral must be limited to 10 mourners. It seems ok for hairdressers to continue to work, but beaches must be closed because the bathers are getting too close?
Has this pandemic shown us how ineffective our political system is ? Or are we just lacking leadership? I can understand why we need to take advice from WHO , but we always seem to be behind the pace? Russia closed its borders, and started contact tracing, in January. I’m not suggesting Russia is a model to follow or a country I would like to live in , merely pointing to decisive leadership.


Not having a go at you, nor am I necessarily defending the Govt or leadership, but what exactly do you think they should do? Are you suggesting a full lockdown?

Seems that most people are screaming that the Govt "should do more!!!" but I think it seems to be a lot of people who would not vote Libs in any situation.

Personally, I dont want the Govt to do more, or do less. I want them to take the advice of ALL the experts available to them to chart a course that navigates the tricky path of minimising deaths, ensuring our health system is not overwhelmed yet maintaining the maximum economic heartbeat possible.

Of course the natural reaction is to think to stop everything, shut down everything in total lockdown, and it may come to that and be necessary if it looks like it will overwhelm the health system, and Id be all for it in those circumstances, but if it is possible to reduce the rate of spread to a point that the health system can cope, yet keep as much of the economy running, then for me that is the best path.

This may seem callous for want of a better word, but when this is over, we are going to need to climb out of it and the depth of the decline economically will have a massive impact on many peoples lives for years to come and it will be the lower socioeconomic levels hit hardest. Rich people with assets will make it through.

The natural reaction is always 1 death is too many, but we average 4500 deaths a year for influenza and we dont shut down the economy to save those deaths. I am NOT suggeting this is the same as the flu, its not and if we did nothing there would be more than 10 x that number dead, but there does need to be a balance between possibility of deaths and possibility of economic depression.


5150, I’m not having a go at you either and I’m not wanting to get into a any pee high club discussion.
Just pointing out my observation that we always appear to be a country which follows, rather than one which gets on the front foot instinctively and decisively does what’s best for Australia and it’s citizens. There was a time when citizenship meant something. Anyway, cheer on your club if you like, but it doesn’t explain the failings in our political system.
Here’s an example..
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6698458/hairdressers-call-for-clear-messaging-directive-to-close-from-government/


Mate I dont necessarily disagree with you and I am **definitely** not wanting to get into a club discussion, in fact I dont actually feel like I have a club in this discussion, definitely not one Im cheering on.

Part of what prompted me to respond to your post was listening to discussions about what is going on in the UK. Their strategy is a bit different to what is going on in Italy & US and to a great extent appears to be a lot more successful. Their strategy is not based on auto lock down but involves lock down when required.

Im not sure what you are specifically referring to when you say the Govt which follows, particularly when we were the second country to shut borders to China, Iran & Italy. It is entirely possible that the strategy that the Aus Govt is following, on the advice of their experts, is entirely intentional and what is happening is EXACTLY what they are trying to do, but merely is different to the instinctive reaction of the general population, who aren't aware of the advice they are getting from the expertise.

Obviously not everyone is listening to the same experts.
I don’t have a problem with the governments staggered approach, although the downside is they need to wait 14 days to see what’s working. It was usually the approach I’ve taken, whether in business or with my health. If we follow the Shorten / Albo approach which is ‘throw the kitchen sink at it and hope for the best, then if it doesn’t work it’s harder to find out why. Or if it does work we can only speculate which remedy was more effective. I don’t know if the enormity of our problem is registering with some. I’ve heard from Doc the damage the virus causes to the lungs is irreparable.

 

[cochise]

I’m having difficulty in understanding social distancing rules? It seems ok to stand in a queue to vote but a funeral must be limited to 10 mourners. It seems ok for hairdressers to continue to work, but beaches must be closed because the bathers are getting too close?
Has this pandemic shown us how ineffective our political system is ? Or are we just lacking leadership? I can understand why we need to take advice from WHO , but we always seem to be behind the pace? Russia closed its borders, and started contact tracing, in January. I’m not suggesting Russia is a model to follow or a country I would like to live in , merely pointing to decisive leadership.


Not having a go at you, nor am I necessarily defending the Govt or leadership, but what exactly do you think they should do? Are you suggesting a full lockdown?

Seems that most people are screaming that the Govt "should do more!!!" but I think it seems to be a lot of people who would not vote Libs in any situation.

Personally, I dont want the Govt to do more, or do less. I want them to take the advice of ALL the experts available to them to chart a course that navigates the tricky path of minimising deaths, ensuring our health system is not overwhelmed yet maintaining the maximum economic heartbeat possible.

Of course the natural reaction is to think to stop everything, shut down everything in total lockdown, and it may come to that and be necessary if it looks like it will overwhelm the health system, and Id be all for it in those circumstances, but if it is possible to reduce the rate of spread to a point that the health system can cope, yet keep as much of the economy running, then for me that is the best path.

This may seem callous for want of a better word, but when this is over, we are going to need to climb out of it and the depth of the decline economically will have a massive impact on many peoples lives for years to come and it will be the lower socioeconomic levels hit hardest. Rich people with assets will make it through.

The natural reaction is always 1 death is too many, but we average 4500 deaths a year for influenza and we dont shut down the economy to save those deaths. I am NOT suggeting this is the same as the flu, its not and if we did nothing there would be more than 10 x that number dead, but there does need to be a balance between possibility of deaths and possibility of economic depression.


5150, I’m not having a go at you either and I’m not wanting to get into a any pee high club discussion.
Just pointing out my observation that we always appear to be a country which follows, rather than one which gets on the front foot instinctively and decisively does what’s best for Australia and it’s citizens. There was a time when citizenship meant something. Anyway, cheer on your club if you like, but it doesn’t explain the failings in our political system.
Here’s an example..
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6698458/hairdressers-call-for-clear-messaging-directive-to-close-from-government/


Mate I dont necessarily disagree with you and I am **definitely** not wanting to get into a club discussion, in fact I dont actually feel like I have a club in this discussion, definitely not one Im cheering on.

Part of what prompted me to respond to your post was listening to discussions about what is going on in the UK. Their strategy is a bit different to what is going on in Italy & US and to a great extent appears to be a lot more successful. Their strategy is not based on auto lock down but involves lock down when required.

Im not sure what you are specifically referring to when you say the Govt which follows, particularly when we were the second country to shut borders to China, Iran & Italy. It is entirely possible that the strategy that the Aus Govt is following, on the advice of their experts, is entirely intentional and what is happening is EXACTLY what they are trying to do, but merely is different to the instinctive reaction of the general population, who aren't aware of the advice they are getting from the expertise.


Obviously not everyone is listening to the same experts.
I don’t have a problem with the governments staggered approach, although the downside is they need to wait 14 days to see what’s working. It was usually the approach I’ve taken, whether in business or with my health. If we follow the Shorten / Albo approach which is ‘throw the kitchen sink at it and hope for the best, then if it doesn’t work it’s harder to find out why. Or if it does work we can only speculate which remedy was more effective. I don’t know if the enormity of our problem is registering with some. I’ve heard from Doc the damage the virus causes to the lungs is irreparable.

It is hard to argue with the measures so far when the data is starting to turn for us, we know have to see if we need to make more restrictions to get it turn enough!