Coronavirus Outbreak

[Snake]

Upon a little more reflection, having given some benefit of the doubt, it is time to give more direction in closing things down as looking at the news and social media reports including those on here. When so many employers are joining the chorus and the two most populous states somewhat biting their tongues, whilst businesses are already showing that the current aim doesn't work in practice.

Why wait another week or fortnight and extend the pain as it plays out naturally, at the expense of more loss and anxiety, when it is going to occur regardless as long as each infected person is passing it on to more than one other, even if at a low rate.

We are just treading water until the spread rate is less than 1 and our pain will just continue until it is well below that rate.

Yes ...but we can only tread water for so long ...if the rates continue at the current rate a Tsunami is heading our way

It already is heading our way Hap and we must be prepared for it....the people who are defying the expert advice are the people who are going to make this much bigger than expected...It goes to show right through history that the ones doing the right thing have to suffer because of the ones who do the wrong thing....

The people that seem to be not complying and thumbing there noses at the self distancing are the ones when this is over ...will be financially harnessed for a decade or longer . Watching this unfold on the TV it seems that the younger up to 40s odd are the culprits .
These fools just do not realise what financial hardships that are going to follow for there flippant behaviour and they are the ones that with a government basically bankrupted will be paying the cost !

 

[Tiger5150]

I’m having difficulty in understanding social distancing rules? It seems ok to stand in a queue to vote but a funeral must be limited to 10 mourners. It seems ok for hairdressers to continue to work, but beaches must be closed because the bathers are getting too close?
Has this pandemic shown us how ineffective our political system is ? Or are we just lacking leadership? I can understand why we need to take advice from WHO , but we always seem to be behind the pace? Russia closed its borders, and started contact tracing, in January. I’m not suggesting Russia is a model to follow or a country I would like to live in , merely pointing to decisive leadership.


Not having a go at you, nor am I necessarily defending the Govt or leadership, but what exactly do you think they should do? Are you suggesting a full lockdown?

Seems that most people are screaming that the Govt "should do more!!!" but I think it seems to be a lot of people who would not vote Libs in any situation.

Personally, I dont want the Govt to do more, or do less. I want them to take the advice of ALL the experts available to them to chart a course that navigates the tricky path of minimising deaths, ensuring our health system is not overwhelmed yet maintaining the maximum economic heartbeat possible.

Of course the natural reaction is to think to stop everything, shut down everything in total lockdown, and it may come to that and be necessary if it looks like it will overwhelm the health system, and Id be all for it in those circumstances, but if it is possible to reduce the rate of spread to a point that the health system can cope, yet keep as much of the economy running, then for me that is the best path.

This may seem callous for want of a better word, but when this is over, we are going to need to climb out of it and the depth of the decline economically will have a massive impact on many peoples lives for years to come and it will be the lower socioeconomic levels hit hardest. Rich people with assets will make it through.

The natural reaction is always 1 death is too many, but we average 4500 deaths a year for influenza and we dont shut down the economy to save those deaths. I am NOT suggeting this is the same as the flu, its not and if we did nothing there would be more than 10 x that number dead, but there does need to be a balance between possibility of deaths and possibility of economic depression.


5150, I’m not having a go at you either and I’m not wanting to get into a any pee high club discussion.
Just pointing out my observation that we always appear to be a country which follows, rather than one which gets on the front foot instinctively and decisively does what’s best for Australia and it’s citizens. There was a time when citizenship meant something. Anyway, cheer on your club if you like, but it doesn’t explain the failings in our political system.
Here’s an example..
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6698458/hairdressers-call-for-clear-messaging-directive-to-close-from-government/


Mate I dont necessarily disagree with you and I am **definitely** not wanting to get into a club discussion, in fact I dont actually feel like I have a club in this discussion, definitely not one Im cheering on.

Part of what prompted me to respond to your post was listening to discussions about what is going on in the UK. Their strategy is a bit different to what is going on in Italy & US and to a great extent appears to be a lot more successful. Their strategy is not based on auto lock down but involves lock down when required.

Im not sure what you are specifically referring to when you say the Govt which follows, particularly when we were the second country to shut borders to China, Iran & Italy. It is entirely possible that the strategy that the Aus Govt is following, on the advice of their experts, is entirely intentional and what is happening is EXACTLY what they are trying to do, but merely is different to the instinctive reaction of the general population, who aren't aware of the advice they are getting from the expertise.


Obviously not everyone is listening to the same experts.
I don’t have a problem with the governments staggered approach, although the downside is they need to wait 14 days to see what’s working. It was usually the approach I’ve taken, whether in business or with my health. If we follow the Shorten / Albo approach which is ‘throw the kitchen sink at it and hope for the best, then if it doesn’t work it’s harder to find out why. Or if it does work we can only speculate which remedy was more effective. I don’t know if the enormity of our problem is registering with some. I’ve heard from Doc the damage the virus causes to the lungs is irreparable.

It is hard to argue with the measures so far when the data is starting to turn for us, we know have to see if we need to make more restrictions to get it turn enough!

I was not going to post this for a few days to see how it panned out, but what you are saying correlates well with it. Four days ago the exponential rate of growth dropped markedly from a steady 1.23 - 1.25 down to 1.13. But since then it seems to have instantly found a new steady level with four days 1.13, 1.15, 1.13, 1.14. Hoping it drops again but if it stays there, more measures might be needed.


 

[pawsandclaws1]

Upon a little more reflection, having given some benefit of the doubt, it is time to give more direction in closing things down as looking at the news and social media reports including those on here. When so many employers are joining the chorus and the two most populous states somewhat biting their tongues, whilst businesses are already showing that the current aim doesn't work in practice.

Why wait another week or fortnight and extend the pain as it plays out naturally, at the expense of more loss and anxiety, when it is going to occur regardless as long as each infected person is passing it on to more than one other, even if at a low rate.

We are just treading water until the spread rate is less than 1 and our pain will just continue until it is well below that rate.

Yes ...but we can only tread water for so long ...if the rates continue at the current rate a Tsunami is heading our way

It already is heading our way Hap and we must be prepared for it....the people who are defying the expert advice are the people who are going to make this much bigger than expected...It goes to show right through history that the ones doing the right thing have to suffer because of the ones who do the wrong thing....

The people that seem to be not complying and thumbing there noses at the self distancing are the ones when this is over ...will be financially harnessed for a decade or longer . Watching this unfold on the TV it seems that the younger up to 40s odd are the culprits .
These fools just do not realise what financial hardships that are going to follow for there flippant behaviour and they are the ones that with a government basically bankrupted will be paying the cost !

Most of the issues are being caused by Australians who traveled overseas post 29 January when travel insurance companies started to revise policies. Elderly Australians who took cruises in particular even after the cruise ship debacle in Japan are extremely selfish and now expecting DFAT to rescue them. Once home we've all watched the whinging from passengers forced into compulsory isolation in the Swisshotel from the cruise ship which finally was allowed to birth in Hawaii. O

 

[Furious1]

Upon a little more reflection, having given some benefit of the doubt, it is time to give more direction in closing things down as looking at the news and social media reports including those on here. When so many employers are joining the chorus and the two most populous states somewhat biting their tongues, whilst businesses are already showing that the current aim doesn't work in practice.

Why wait another week or fortnight and extend the pain as it plays out naturally, at the expense of more loss and anxiety, when it is going to occur regardless as long as each infected person is passing it on to more than one other, even if at a low rate.

We are just treading water until the spread rate is less than 1 and our pain will just continue until it is well below that rate.

Yes ...but we can only tread water for so long ...if the rates continue at the current rate a Tsunami is heading our way

It already is heading our way Hap and we must be prepared for it....the people who are defying the expert advice are the people who are going to make this much bigger than expected...It goes to show right through history that the ones doing the right thing have to suffer because of the ones who do the wrong thing....

The people that seem to be not complying and thumbing there noses at the self distancing are the ones when this is over ...will be financially harnessed for a decade or longer . **Watching this unfold on the TV it seems that the younger up to 40s odd are the culprits .**
These fools just do not realise what financial hardships that are going to follow for there flippant behaviour and they are the ones that with a government basically bankrupted will be paying the cost !

You know i thought that too Snake, but then i saw the images of Manly the other day and clearly there are some older people there. I find that incredible given the risk to them.

 

[cochise]

I’m having difficulty in understanding social distancing rules? It seems ok to stand in a queue to vote but a funeral must be limited to 10 mourners. It seems ok for hairdressers to continue to work, but beaches must be closed because the bathers are getting too close?
Has this pandemic shown us how ineffective our political system is ? Or are we just lacking leadership? I can understand why we need to take advice from WHO , but we always seem to be behind the pace? Russia closed its borders, and started contact tracing, in January. I’m not suggesting Russia is a model to follow or a country I would like to live in , merely pointing to decisive leadership.


Not having a go at you, nor am I necessarily defending the Govt or leadership, but what exactly do you think they should do? Are you suggesting a full lockdown?

Seems that most people are screaming that the Govt "should do more!!!" but I think it seems to be a lot of people who would not vote Libs in any situation.

Personally, I dont want the Govt to do more, or do less. I want them to take the advice of ALL the experts available to them to chart a course that navigates the tricky path of minimising deaths, ensuring our health system is not overwhelmed yet maintaining the maximum economic heartbeat possible.

Of course the natural reaction is to think to stop everything, shut down everything in total lockdown, and it may come to that and be necessary if it looks like it will overwhelm the health system, and Id be all for it in those circumstances, but if it is possible to reduce the rate of spread to a point that the health system can cope, yet keep as much of the economy running, then for me that is the best path.

This may seem callous for want of a better word, but when this is over, we are going to need to climb out of it and the depth of the decline economically will have a massive impact on many peoples lives for years to come and it will be the lower socioeconomic levels hit hardest. Rich people with assets will make it through.

The natural reaction is always 1 death is too many, but we average 4500 deaths a year for influenza and we dont shut down the economy to save those deaths. I am NOT suggeting this is the same as the flu, its not and if we did nothing there would be more than 10 x that number dead, but there does need to be a balance between possibility of deaths and possibility of economic depression.


5150, I’m not having a go at you either and I’m not wanting to get into a any pee high club discussion.
Just pointing out my observation that we always appear to be a country which follows, rather than one which gets on the front foot instinctively and decisively does what’s best for Australia and it’s citizens. There was a time when citizenship meant something. Anyway, cheer on your club if you like, but it doesn’t explain the failings in our political system.
Here’s an example..
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6698458/hairdressers-call-for-clear-messaging-directive-to-close-from-government/


Mate I dont necessarily disagree with you and I am **definitely** not wanting to get into a club discussion, in fact I dont actually feel like I have a club in this discussion, definitely not one Im cheering on.

Part of what prompted me to respond to your post was listening to discussions about what is going on in the UK. Their strategy is a bit different to what is going on in Italy & US and to a great extent appears to be a lot more successful. Their strategy is not based on auto lock down but involves lock down when required.

Im not sure what you are specifically referring to when you say the Govt which follows, particularly when we were the second country to shut borders to China, Iran & Italy. It is entirely possible that the strategy that the Aus Govt is following, on the advice of their experts, is entirely intentional and what is happening is EXACTLY what they are trying to do, but merely is different to the instinctive reaction of the general population, who aren't aware of the advice they are getting from the expertise.


Obviously not everyone is listening to the same experts.
I don’t have a problem with the governments staggered approach, although the downside is they need to wait 14 days to see what’s working. It was usually the approach I’ve taken, whether in business or with my health. If we follow the Shorten / Albo approach which is ‘throw the kitchen sink at it and hope for the best, then if it doesn’t work it’s harder to find out why. Or if it does work we can only speculate which remedy was more effective. I don’t know if the enormity of our problem is registering with some. I’ve heard from Doc the damage the virus causes to the lungs is irreparable.

It is hard to argue with the measures so far when the data is starting to turn for us, we know have to see if we need to make more restrictions to get it turn enough!


I was not going to post this for a few days to see how it panned out, but what you are saying correlates well with it. Four days ago the exponential rate of growth dropped markedly from a steady 1.23 - 1.25 down to 1.13. But since then it seems to have instantly found a new steady level with four days 1.13, 1.15, 1.13, 1.14. Hoping it drops again but if it stays there, more measures might be needed.


Mate I am very interested in your figures and am happy for you to post an update everyday. I just watched the PM's health update and your figures are being seen in his update too!

 

[Furious1]

I’m having difficulty in understanding social distancing rules? It seems ok to stand in a queue to vote but a funeral must be limited to 10 mourners. It seems ok for hairdressers to continue to work, but beaches must be closed because the bathers are getting too close?
Has this pandemic shown us how ineffective our political system is ? Or are we just lacking leadership? I can understand why we need to take advice from WHO , but we always seem to be behind the pace? Russia closed its borders, and started contact tracing, in January. I’m not suggesting Russia is a model to follow or a country I would like to live in , merely pointing to decisive leadership.


Not having a go at you, nor am I necessarily defending the Govt or leadership, but what exactly do you think they should do? Are you suggesting a full lockdown?

Seems that most people are screaming that the Govt "should do more!!!" but I think it seems to be a lot of people who would not vote Libs in any situation.

Personally, I dont want the Govt to do more, or do less. I want them to take the advice of ALL the experts available to them to chart a course that navigates the tricky path of minimising deaths, ensuring our health system is not overwhelmed yet maintaining the maximum economic heartbeat possible.

Of course the natural reaction is to think to stop everything, shut down everything in total lockdown, and it may come to that and be necessary if it looks like it will overwhelm the health system, and Id be all for it in those circumstances, but if it is possible to reduce the rate of spread to a point that the health system can cope, yet keep as much of the economy running, then for me that is the best path.

This may seem callous for want of a better word, but when this is over, we are going to need to climb out of it and the depth of the decline economically will have a massive impact on many peoples lives for years to come and it will be the lower socioeconomic levels hit hardest. Rich people with assets will make it through.

The natural reaction is always 1 death is too many, but we average 4500 deaths a year for influenza and we dont shut down the economy to save those deaths. I am NOT suggeting this is the same as the flu, its not and if we did nothing there would be more than 10 x that number dead, but there does need to be a balance between possibility of deaths and possibility of economic depression.


5150, I’m not having a go at you either and I’m not wanting to get into a any pee high club discussion.
Just pointing out my observation that we always appear to be a country which follows, rather than one which gets on the front foot instinctively and decisively does what’s best for Australia and it’s citizens. There was a time when citizenship meant something. Anyway, cheer on your club if you like, but it doesn’t explain the failings in our political system.
Here’s an example..
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6698458/hairdressers-call-for-clear-messaging-directive-to-close-from-government/


Mate I dont necessarily disagree with you and I am **definitely** not wanting to get into a club discussion, in fact I dont actually feel like I have a club in this discussion, definitely not one Im cheering on.

Part of what prompted me to respond to your post was listening to discussions about what is going on in the UK. Their strategy is a bit different to what is going on in Italy & US and to a great extent appears to be a lot more successful. Their strategy is not based on auto lock down but involves lock down when required.

Im not sure what you are specifically referring to when you say the Govt which follows, particularly when we were the second country to shut borders to China, Iran & Italy. It is entirely possible that the strategy that the Aus Govt is following, on the advice of their experts, is entirely intentional and what is happening is EXACTLY what they are trying to do, but merely is different to the instinctive reaction of the general population, who aren't aware of the advice they are getting from the expertise.


Obviously not everyone is listening to the same experts.
I don’t have a problem with the governments staggered approach, although the downside is they need to wait 14 days to see what’s working. It was usually the approach I’ve taken, whether in business or with my health. If we follow the Shorten / Albo approach which is ‘throw the kitchen sink at it and hope for the best, then if it doesn’t work it’s harder to find out why. Or if it does work we can only speculate which remedy was more effective. I don’t know if the enormity of our problem is registering with some. I’ve heard from Doc the damage the virus causes to the lungs is irreparable.

It is hard to argue with the measures so far when the data is starting to turn for us, we know have to see if we need to make more restrictions to get it turn enough!


I was not going to post this for a few days to see how it panned out, but what you are saying correlates well with it. Four days ago the exponential rate of growth dropped markedly from a steady 1.23 - 1.25 down to 1.13. But since then it seems to have instantly found a new steady level with four days 1.13, 1.15, 1.13, 1.14. Hoping it drops again but if it stays there, more measures might be needed.


Mate I am very interested in your figures and am happy for you to post an update everyday. I just watched the PM's health update and your figures are being seen in his update too!

x2

 

[cochise]

I’m having difficulty in understanding social distancing rules? It seems ok to stand in a queue to vote but a funeral must be limited to 10 mourners. It seems ok for hairdressers to continue to work, but beaches must be closed because the bathers are getting too close?
Has this pandemic shown us how ineffective our political system is ? Or are we just lacking leadership? I can understand why we need to take advice from WHO , but we always seem to be behind the pace? Russia closed its borders, and started contact tracing, in January. I’m not suggesting Russia is a model to follow or a country I would like to live in , merely pointing to decisive leadership.


Not having a go at you, nor am I necessarily defending the Govt or leadership, but what exactly do you think they should do? Are you suggesting a full lockdown?

Seems that most people are screaming that the Govt "should do more!!!" but I think it seems to be a lot of people who would not vote Libs in any situation.

Personally, I dont want the Govt to do more, or do less. I want them to take the advice of ALL the experts available to them to chart a course that navigates the tricky path of minimising deaths, ensuring our health system is not overwhelmed yet maintaining the maximum economic heartbeat possible.

Of course the natural reaction is to think to stop everything, shut down everything in total lockdown, and it may come to that and be necessary if it looks like it will overwhelm the health system, and Id be all for it in those circumstances, but if it is possible to reduce the rate of spread to a point that the health system can cope, yet keep as much of the economy running, then for me that is the best path.

This may seem callous for want of a better word, but when this is over, we are going to need to climb out of it and the depth of the decline economically will have a massive impact on many peoples lives for years to come and it will be the lower socioeconomic levels hit hardest. Rich people with assets will make it through.

The natural reaction is always 1 death is too many, but we average 4500 deaths a year for influenza and we dont shut down the economy to save those deaths. I am NOT suggeting this is the same as the flu, its not and if we did nothing there would be more than 10 x that number dead, but there does need to be a balance between possibility of deaths and possibility of economic depression.


5150, I’m not having a go at you either and I’m not wanting to get into a any pee high club discussion.
Just pointing out my observation that we always appear to be a country which follows, rather than one which gets on the front foot instinctively and decisively does what’s best for Australia and it’s citizens. There was a time when citizenship meant something. Anyway, cheer on your club if you like, but it doesn’t explain the failings in our political system.
Here’s an example..
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6698458/hairdressers-call-for-clear-messaging-directive-to-close-from-government/


Mate I dont necessarily disagree with you and I am **definitely** not wanting to get into a club discussion, in fact I dont actually feel like I have a club in this discussion, definitely not one Im cheering on.

Part of what prompted me to respond to your post was listening to discussions about what is going on in the UK. Their strategy is a bit different to what is going on in Italy & US and to a great extent appears to be a lot more successful. Their strategy is not based on auto lock down but involves lock down when required.

Im not sure what you are specifically referring to when you say the Govt which follows, particularly when we were the second country to shut borders to China, Iran & Italy. It is entirely possible that the strategy that the Aus Govt is following, on the advice of their experts, is entirely intentional and what is happening is EXACTLY what they are trying to do, but merely is different to the instinctive reaction of the general population, who aren't aware of the advice they are getting from the expertise.


Obviously not everyone is listening to the same experts.
I don’t have a problem with the governments staggered approach, although the downside is they need to wait 14 days to see what’s working. It was usually the approach I’ve taken, whether in business or with my health. If we follow the Shorten / Albo approach which is ‘throw the kitchen sink at it and hope for the best, then if it doesn’t work it’s harder to find out why. Or if it does work we can only speculate which remedy was more effective. I don’t know if the enormity of our problem is registering with some. I’ve heard from Doc the damage the virus causes to the lungs is irreparable.

It is hard to argue with the measures so far when the data is starting to turn for us, we know have to see if we need to make more restrictions to get it turn enough!


I was not going to post this for a few days to see how it panned out, but what you are saying correlates well with it. Four days ago the exponential rate of growth dropped markedly from a steady 1.23 - 1.25 down to 1.13. But since then it seems to have instantly found a new steady level with four days 1.13, 1.15, 1.13, 1.14. Hoping it drops again but if it stays there, more measures might be needed.


I will also say I believe the changes we are seeing now are from the 1st round of restrictions, I'm hoping in a couple of days we will see a further reduction from the 2nd round of restrictions!

 

[Tiger5150]

I’m having difficulty in understanding social distancing rules? It seems ok to stand in a queue to vote but a funeral must be limited to 10 mourners. It seems ok for hairdressers to continue to work, but beaches must be closed because the bathers are getting too close?
Has this pandemic shown us how ineffective our political system is ? Or are we just lacking leadership? I can understand why we need to take advice from WHO , but we always seem to be behind the pace? Russia closed its borders, and started contact tracing, in January. I’m not suggesting Russia is a model to follow or a country I would like to live in , merely pointing to decisive leadership.


Not having a go at you, nor am I necessarily defending the Govt or leadership, but what exactly do you think they should do? Are you suggesting a full lockdown?

Seems that most people are screaming that the Govt "should do more!!!" but I think it seems to be a lot of people who would not vote Libs in any situation.

Personally, I dont want the Govt to do more, or do less. I want them to take the advice of ALL the experts available to them to chart a course that navigates the tricky path of minimising deaths, ensuring our health system is not overwhelmed yet maintaining the maximum economic heartbeat possible.

Of course the natural reaction is to think to stop everything, shut down everything in total lockdown, and it may come to that and be necessary if it looks like it will overwhelm the health system, and Id be all for it in those circumstances, but if it is possible to reduce the rate of spread to a point that the health system can cope, yet keep as much of the economy running, then for me that is the best path.

This may seem callous for want of a better word, but when this is over, we are going to need to climb out of it and the depth of the decline economically will have a massive impact on many peoples lives for years to come and it will be the lower socioeconomic levels hit hardest. Rich people with assets will make it through.

The natural reaction is always 1 death is too many, but we average 4500 deaths a year for influenza and we dont shut down the economy to save those deaths. I am NOT suggeting this is the same as the flu, its not and if we did nothing there would be more than 10 x that number dead, but there does need to be a balance between possibility of deaths and possibility of economic depression.


5150, I’m not having a go at you either and I’m not wanting to get into a any pee high club discussion.
Just pointing out my observation that we always appear to be a country which follows, rather than one which gets on the front foot instinctively and decisively does what’s best for Australia and it’s citizens. There was a time when citizenship meant something. Anyway, cheer on your club if you like, but it doesn’t explain the failings in our political system.
Here’s an example..
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6698458/hairdressers-call-for-clear-messaging-directive-to-close-from-government/


Mate I dont necessarily disagree with you and I am **definitely** not wanting to get into a club discussion, in fact I dont actually feel like I have a club in this discussion, definitely not one Im cheering on.

Part of what prompted me to respond to your post was listening to discussions about what is going on in the UK. Their strategy is a bit different to what is going on in Italy & US and to a great extent appears to be a lot more successful. Their strategy is not based on auto lock down but involves lock down when required.

Im not sure what you are specifically referring to when you say the Govt which follows, particularly when we were the second country to shut borders to China, Iran & Italy. It is entirely possible that the strategy that the Aus Govt is following, on the advice of their experts, is entirely intentional and what is happening is EXACTLY what they are trying to do, but merely is different to the instinctive reaction of the general population, who aren't aware of the advice they are getting from the expertise.


Obviously not everyone is listening to the same experts.
I don’t have a problem with the governments staggered approach, although the downside is they need to wait 14 days to see what’s working. It was usually the approach I’ve taken, whether in business or with my health. If we follow the Shorten / Albo approach which is ‘throw the kitchen sink at it and hope for the best, then if it doesn’t work it’s harder to find out why. Or if it does work we can only speculate which remedy was more effective. I don’t know if the enormity of our problem is registering with some. I’ve heard from Doc the damage the virus causes to the lungs is irreparable.

It is hard to argue with the measures so far when the data is starting to turn for us, we know have to see if we need to make more restrictions to get it turn enough!


I was not going to post this for a few days to see how it panned out, but what you are saying correlates well with it. Four days ago the exponential rate of growth dropped markedly from a steady 1.23 - 1.25 down to 1.13. But since then it seems to have instantly found a new steady level with four days 1.13, 1.15, 1.13, 1.14. Hoping it drops again but if it stays there, more measures might be needed.


I will also say I believe the changes we are seeing now are from the 1st round of restrictions, I'm hoping in a couple of days we will see a further reduction from the 2nd round of restrictions!

I agree with you and I hope you are right. The big drop was the same day that the latest tougher restrictions came in. Considering it takes a few days for symptoms etc to kick in, I think its unlikely that the drop was related to that and Im hoping in the next few days there is another drop.

Another thing to bear in mind is its all well and good to watch rates of growth in the population drop organically based on social distancing measures taken but when there are artificial factors introduced like 140 odd infected getting off a cruise ship here and another 70 odd in WA, that is going to articifially inflate the figures as well, but then there is additional base load of virus in the country.

We will see

 

[TillLindemann]

I hope you blokes are right about a drop. It's Europe that scares me though, they have full on lock downs tougher than Australia, but the numbers just keep going up.

 

[happy_tiger]

We will never know the true numbers on CV inn Australia

Probably hundreds of people right now with CV who don't know it because you can't get tested

Tracking won't get everyone and certainly won't get to people in time to stop the progress

 

[innsaneink]

I hope you blokes are right about a drop. It's Europe that scares me though, they have full on lock downs tougher than Australia, but the numbers just keep going up.

Indonesia scares me... They're doing bugger all and they're on our doorstep

 

[TrueTiger]

I hope you blokes are right about a drop. It's Europe that scares me though, they have full on lock downs tougher than Australia, but the numbers just keep going up.

Indonesia scares me... They're doing bugger all and they're on our doorstep

Apparently China are providing Indonesia with a huge amount of medical supplies and help...as a gesture of good faith,also are helping many other countries with the same...not sure if there is an agenda or not behind this...

 

[Snake]

I hope you blokes are right about a drop. It's Europe that scares me though, they have full on lock downs tougher than Australia, but the numbers just keep going up.

Indonesia scares me... They're doing bugger all and they're on our doorstep

I have already posted same ... Indonesia could be the biggest human disaster In history this is very concerning ... I hope our Navy and Border Force are ready could you imagine millions getting on boats !

 

[mike]

I hope you blokes are right about a drop. It's Europe that scares me though, they have full on lock downs tougher than Australia, but the numbers just keep going up.

Indonesia scares me... They're doing bugger all and they're on our doorstep

Yeah, Bali think they have low numbers but they are doing minimal testing.

 

[Tiger5150]

I hope you blokes are right about a drop. It's Europe that scares me though, they have full on lock downs tougher than Australia, but the numbers just keep going up.

Dont get excited Till, it is a reduction in the exponential multiplier, but it is still exponential growth. To explain, Ive used this example before if we kept going at the old rate of 1.23 we would be at 77326 cases on Good Friday, if we continue at yesterdays rate we will be at 9991. Still a big number that gets bigger, exponentially, daily.

Actually Italy have their growth rate down well below ours right now, not sure if it is due to herd immunity by this stage (running out of new people to infect). NZ is interesting as well.


 

[Tiger5150]

We will never know the true numbers on CV inn Australia

Probably hundreds of people right now with CV who don't know it because you can't get tested

Tracking won't get everyone and certainly won't get to people in time to stop the progress

Which is why all just need to isolate.

I actually think our testing is as good as it can be. We are one of the highest testing countries in the world with 210000 tests. thats getting near 10% of the population which is a lot compared to the 4000 cases and the number of at risk/symptomatic people. The other thing that gives me confidence in the testing is the absolute constant nature of the data coming out, new infections, deaths and hospital beds are all absolutely constant and predictable.

Brazil on the other hand, 3rd or 4th most populous country in the world has the same number of confirmed cases as us but 415 deaths. That to me points a problem in testing.

 

[cochise]

We will never know the true numbers on CV inn Australia

Probably hundreds of people right now with CV who don't know it because you can't get tested

Tracking won't get everyone and certainly won't get to people in time to stop the progress


Which is why all just need to isolate.

I actually think our testing is as good as it can be. We are one of the highest testing countries in the world with 210000 tests. thats getting near 10% of the population which is a lot compared to the 4000 cases and the number of at risk/symptomatic people. The other thing that gives me confidence in the testing is the absolute constant nature of the data coming out, new infections, deaths and hospital beds are all absolutely constant and predictable.

Brazil on the other hand, 3rd or 4th most populous country in the world has the same number of confirmed cases as us but 415 deaths. That to me points a problem in testing.

Spot on mate, I see and hear people constantly bagging the amounts of testing we are doing but we are one of the highest testing nation per capita in the world. Would it be better if we were testing more? yes, but that is not feasible at the moment!

 

[twentyforty]

We will never know the true numbers on CV inn Australia

Probably hundreds of people right now with CV who don't know it because you can't get tested

Tracking won't get everyone and certainly won't get to people in time to stop the progress


Which is why all just need to isolate.

I actually think our testing is as good as it can be. We are one of the highest testing countries in the world with 210000 tests. thats getting near 10% of the population which is a lot compared to the 4000 cases and the number of at risk/symptomatic people. The other thing that gives me confidence in the testing is the absolute constant nature of the data coming out, new infections, deaths and hospital beds are all absolutely constant and predictable.

Brazil on the other hand, 3rd or 4th most populous country in the world has the same number of confirmed cases as us but 415 deaths. That to me points a problem in testing.

Spot on mate, I see and hear people constantly bagging the amounts of testing we are doing but we are one of the highest testing nation per capita in the world. Would it be better if we were testing more? yes, but that is not feasible at the moment!

Unfortunately Victoria’s testing numbers are very low, probably only half as many as the less populated state of QLD.

 

[Muffstar]

Upon a little more reflection, having given some benefit of the doubt, it is time to give more direction in closing things down as looking at the news and social media reports including those on here. When so many employers are joining the chorus and the two most populous states somewhat biting their tongues, whilst businesses are already showing that the current aim doesn't work in practice.

Why wait another week or fortnight and extend the pain as it plays out naturally, at the expense of more loss and anxiety, when it is going to occur regardless as long as each infected person is passing it on to more than one other, even if at a low rate.

We are just treading water until the spread rate is less than 1 and our pain will just continue until it is well below that rate.

Yes ...but we can only tread water for so long ...if the rates continue at the current rate a Tsunami is heading our way

It already is heading our way Hap and we must be prepared for it....the people who are defying the expert advice are the people who are going to make this much bigger than expected...It goes to show right through history that the ones doing the right thing have to suffer because of the ones who do the wrong thing....

The people that seem to be not complying and thumbing there noses at the self distancing are the ones when this is over ...will be financially harnessed for a decade or longer . Watching this unfold on the TV it seems that the younger up to 40s odd are the culprits .
These fools just do not realise what financial hardships that are going to follow for there flippant behaviour and they are the ones that with a government basically bankrupted will be paying the cost !

Most of the issues are being caused by Australians who traveled overseas post 29 January when travel insurance companies started to revise policies. Elderly Australians who took cruises in particular even after the cruise ship debacle in Japan are extremely selfish and now expecting DFAT to rescue them. Once home we've all watched the whinging from passengers forced into compulsory isolation in the Swisshotel from the cruise ship which finally was allowed to birth in Hawaii. O

Yep could not agree with you more. The Australian Chinese whom the Govt moved back from Wuhan when things were bad, were far more grateful to be sent to either Christmas Island or the mining site at Darwin to spend their isolation. I would send these self entitled cruises there and let them have a good whinge. Things could be a lot worse.

 

[diedpretty]

Government gearing up for "foreign entities with ties to their governments" snapping up Australian assets weakened by current economic conditions.Let us hope they are up the task.

Let's hope the Government bans future foreign ownership of land in this country
Lease ok but ownership no
And a lease like standard industrial property with a 3 x 3 or 5 x 5 year lease
Not a 99 year lease

And limits share in any company in this country to less than 49% with all taxes to be paid in this country, not taken off shore

Time to take ownership of this country and not sell it off

Someone tried to do that 50 years ago and was booted out of office by the buffoons with no foresight.


Following that a more modern day buffoon came with a more stupid idea. We should charge $50,000 for citizenship. I think he went by the name Rudd.

Whats that got to do with what i said - absolutely nothing.