Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tiger5150]

No doubt this is an extremely infectious virus and some of those who contract will get very ill and a small number will die. However the numbers in Australia do need to be put in to perspective. The death rate in Australia from the virus as a percentage against the population rather than number of cases ( because number of cases is a guess at best) is .00008%. No one under the age of 68 has died as of yet, So from age 0 to 67 the death rate in Australia is 0.0%. I fully agree with isolation to avoid spreading the virus however to me the projected figures of probable deaths seems way out of whack.

This is because of the time lag with the exponential growth of the cases. It reportedly takes 20 days to die. There were 1350 cases 20 days ago so the 20 dead represents about 1.5%. In twenty days you would anticipate our deaths to be around 72.

I dont understand you comparing deaths (growing number) to overall population (static number), that rate doesnt help much.

 

[fair dinkum]

Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon said that without his intervention 2.2 million would be dead in the United States. It also be a big mistake if they open America back up before easter.

I checked the numbers. 163, 000 and counting. The US makes up 20% of the global number.

The numbers are not to be believed. China has to be completely eliminated as they are not accurate. With Chinas fake numbers out of it. There are 777,000 cases with the US having 188,00 cases which is 24% of known world cases. Having said that, there is a complete lack of numbers from the 3rd world and very inaccurate reporting from the 2nd world and the US are testing huge numbers, thus they are catching infected more so then other countries that are not testing as much so the US numbers are skewed higher.

All of that however is irrelevant as the US has a population of 350,000,000 of course youd expect them to have a high number of cases. The real number to look at is per capita. Using a metric of cases per million. The US ranks 26th in the world.

And the only real figure that matters is the numbers of dead and per capita, the US ranks 21st

 

[TillLindemann]

The U.S has now over 83 000 confirmed cases. The most of any nation in the world. If restrictions are lifted by Easter, 100 million could be infected by October, with over 1 million deaths forecast. That’s just in the U.S.

Since you posted this just 5 days ago, their cases have gone up by more than 100,000.

They are now past 188,000. Global cases approaching 900,000, will be a million by tomorrow.

 

[fair dinkum]

The U.S has now over 83 000 confirmed cases. The most of any nation in the world. If restrictions are lifted by Easter, 100 million could be infected by October, with over 1 million deaths forecast. That’s just in the U.S.

Since you posted this just 5 days ago, their cases have gone up by more than 100,000.

They are now past 188,000. Global cases approaching 900,000, will be a million by tomorrow.

Its already 5 mil if China revealed the true numbers.

 

[TillLindemann]

The U.S has now over 83 000 confirmed cases. The most of any nation in the world. If restrictions are lifted by Easter, 100 million could be infected by October, with over 1 million deaths forecast. That’s just in the U.S.

Since you posted this just 5 days ago, their cases have gone up by more than 100,000.

They are now past 188,000. Global cases approaching 900,000, will be a million by tomorrow.

Its already 5 mil if China revealed the true numbers.

Yeah I've got no doubt Chinese numbers are higher than the official numbers.

And you're right that many poorer countries probably have higher numbers than have been counted (not because of cover ups, because of under-diagnosis). I suspect India and Pakistan, for example, have at least tens of thousands of cases, if not hundreds of thousands.

 

[fair dinkum]

The U.S has now over 83 000 confirmed cases. The most of any nation in the world. If restrictions are lifted by Easter, 100 million could be infected by October, with over 1 million deaths forecast. That’s just in the U.S.

Since you posted this just 5 days ago, their cases have gone up by more than 100,000.

They are now past 188,000. Global cases approaching 900,000, will be a million by tomorrow.

Its already 5 mil if China revealed the true numbers.

Yeah I've got no doubt Chinese numbers are higher than the official numbers.

And you're right that many poorer countries probably have higher numbers than have been counted (not because of cover ups, because of under-diagnosis). I suspect India and Pakistan, for example, have at least tens of thousands of cases, if not hundreds of thousands.

Any main stream theory on why China is reporting 21 million less mobile phone users last month?? Any reason why this isnt getting more Main stream coverage?? We wouldnt want the sheep to put it all together. :face_with_rolling_eyes:

It couldnt possibly have anything to do with the actual reflection on how many have truly died or are infected with the virus, right??

 

[kevinmcguinness]

The U.S has now over 83 000 confirmed cases. The most of any nation in the world. If restrictions are lifted by Easter, 100 million could be infected by October, with over 1 million deaths forecast. That’s just in the U.S.

Since you posted this just 5 days ago, their cases have gone up by more than 100,000.

They are now past 188,000. Global cases approaching 900,000, will be a million by tomorrow.

Its already 5 mil if China revealed the true numbers.

we really don't know the 'true' numbers of most countries if we're honest. We could all be vectors. Some may have passed away from it without even realising...

 

[fair dinkum]

The U.S has now over 83 000 confirmed cases. The most of any nation in the world. If restrictions are lifted by Easter, 100 million could be infected by October, with over 1 million deaths forecast. That’s just in the U.S.

Since you posted this just 5 days ago, their cases have gone up by more than 100,000.

They are now past 188,000. Global cases approaching 900,000, will be a million by tomorrow.

Its already 5 mil if China revealed the true numbers.

we really don't know the 'true' numbers of most countries if we're honest.

Its all pointless, hundreds of thousands havent been tested that would have it and either died or recovered already plus with the way its exploded in the last month, currently there could be millions across the globe that have it and are untested.

 

[twentyforty]

No doubt this is an extremely infectious virus and some of those who contract will get very ill and a small number will die. However the numbers in Australia do need to be put in to perspective. The death rate in Australia from the virus as a percentage against the population rather than number of cases ( because number of cases is a guess at best) is .00008%. No one under the age of 68 has died as of yet, So from age 0 to 67 the death rate in Australia is 0.0%. I fully agree with isolation to avoid spreading the virus however to me the projected figures of probable deaths seems way out of whack.

Don’t be fooled by that Isolated statistic that no young people in Australia has died. I hope you’re not expecting people to believe that they should feel secure if they are younger than 67?
An 18yo died of the virus yesterday in UK. Meanwhile in the USA only 53% of patients hospitalised are over age 55. A persons survival expectancy has nothing to do with age and everything to do with how healthy and strong they may be. Or indeed if they have a preexisting condition.

 

[diedpretty]

No doubt this is an extremely infectious virus and some of those who contract will get very ill and a small number will die. However the numbers in Australia do need to be put in to perspective. The death rate in Australia from the virus as a percentage against the population rather than number of cases ( because number of cases is a guess at best) is .00008%. No one under the age of 68 has died as of yet, So from age 0 to 67 the death rate in Australia is 0.0%. I fully agree with isolation to avoid spreading the virus however to me the projected figures of probable deaths seems way out of whack.


This is because of the time lag with the exponential growth of the cases. It reportedly takes 20 days to die. There were 1350 cases 20 days ago so the 20 dead represents about 1.5%. In twenty days you would anticipate our deaths to be around 72.

I dont understand you comparing deaths (growing number) to overall population (static number), that rate doesnt help much.

Do you compare those people who die of heart attacks only with people who have heart disease or against the overall population. Same thing - the death rate form heart attack is a percentage of the overall population.

 

[diedpretty]

No doubt this is an extremely infectious virus and some of those who contract will get very ill and a small number will die. However the numbers in Australia do need to be put in to perspective. The death rate in Australia from the virus as a percentage against the population rather than number of cases ( because number of cases is a guess at best) is .00008%. No one under the age of 68 has died as of yet, So from age 0 to 67 the death rate in Australia is 0.0%. I fully agree with isolation to avoid spreading the virus however to me the projected figures of probable deaths seems way out of whack.


Don’t be fooled by that Isolated statistic that no young people in Australia has died. I hope you’re not expecting people to believe that they should feel secure if they are younger than 67?
An 18yo died of the virus yesterday in UK. Meanwhile in the USA only 53% of patients hospitalised are over age 55. A persons survival expectancy has nothing to do with age and everything to do with how healthy and strong they may be. Or indeed if they have a preexisting condition.

Thats exactly right but that is the same as any condition. The healthier and fitter a person is the more likely they are to pull through. i know a few younger people have died elsewhere but all that was given was their age - no details other details so its pretty hard to draw any conclusion from that.

 

[Guest]

If anyone has watched the video of that woman pleading on behalf of the other 100 odd Australians and Kiwis on MV Ocean Atlantic you too would be sickened. They don't want to pay the full 9k to get home but can afford a once in a lifetime cruise to the Antarctic. With so many doing it tough in Australia they should pay or stay. I am sick of all these whinging retirees.

100%. The demanding voice was a bit rich from her. Does anyone know when and where they left from? She says "unforeseen circumstances" but given the Diamond Princess in Japan was WAY back in Feb 1, how was a cruise ship being quarantined and not being able to dock "unforeseen"?

Have they been sailing on this boat for 2 months?

I estimate a 9 Mar or slightly earlier departure based on a three week cruise. The only unforseen issue is travel insurance not covering return fare.

I think that's a pretty good estimate.

The laughable thing is that they point the finger at the government, without making the connection that it's my or your money that is going to pay for it. The government are only a function of the taxpayers.

As far as I'm concerned, they can pay the whole god damn fare. I would prefer to give my tax money to someone who has been locked down and lost their job or the brave medical workers who couldn't go on holidays at a time like this.

This wasn't unforeseen. This was their risk to take on. They can foot the bill. If they had asked differently on the video, maybe they would have garnered some sympathy. But pointing fingers at anyone but themselves is just ignorant and not going to win favours.

"their risk to take" Some acquaintances of mine were dead set going off on their world tour including europe and the middle east regardless of horrific reports coming in from Italy. Fortunately everything shut down before they could go. I don't get that mentality at all.

Yes those selfish Australians who left knowing the danger. deserve no sympathy. Unfortunately for the older citizens, this could end their lives.

Border Farce continuing to prove they are only good for hunting toilet paper hoarders from Coles. On Channel 10 the residents who share facilities with the Swisshotel are upset about possible contamination from passengers of the Norwegian Princess. This time Tanya Plibersek put the boot in saying it is a federaf problem and we don't want a repeat of


sickening to me that any politician continues to try and make political capital out of the pandemic - but for certain types it doesn't surprise me...

Public criticism of Border Force and it's performance is warranted. At the end of this, a thorough review of this organization should be undertaken.

Along with NSW Health.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The U.S has now over 83 000 confirmed cases. The most of any nation in the world. If restrictions are lifted by Easter, 100 million could be infected by October, with over 1 million deaths forecast. That’s just in the U.S.

Since you posted this just 5 days ago, their cases have gone up by more than 100,000.

They are now past 188,000. Global cases approaching 900,000, will be a million by tomorrow.

Its already 5 mil if China revealed the true numbers.

Yeah I've got no doubt Chinese numbers are higher than the official numbers.

And you're right that many poorer countries probably have higher numbers than have been counted (not because of cover ups, because of under-diagnosis). I suspect India and Pakistan, for example, have at least tens of thousands of cases, if not hundreds of thousands.

Any main stream theory on why China is reporting 21 million less mobile phone users last month?? Any reason why this isnt getting more Main stream coverage?? We wouldnt want the sheep to put it all together. :face_with_rolling_eyes:

It couldnt possibly have anything to do with the actual reflection on how many have truly died or are infected with the virus, right??

Schroedingers Chinaman?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

No doubt this is an extremely infectious virus and some of those who contract will get very ill and a small number will die. However the numbers in Australia do need to be put in to perspective. The death rate in Australia from the virus as a percentage against the population rather than number of cases ( because number of cases is a guess at best) is .00008%. No one under the age of 68 has died as of yet, So from age 0 to 67 the death rate in Australia is 0.0%. I fully agree with isolation to avoid spreading the virus however to me the projected figures of probable deaths seems way out of whack.


Don’t be fooled by that Isolated statistic that no young people in Australia has died. I hope you’re not expecting people to believe that they should feel secure if they are younger than 67?
An 18yo died of the virus yesterday in UK. Meanwhile in the USA only 53% of patients hospitalised are over age 55. A persons survival expectancy has nothing to do with age and everything to do with how healthy and strong they may be. Or indeed if they have a preexisting condition.

Thats exactly right but that is the same as any condition. The healthier and fitter a person is the more likely they are to pull through. i know a few younger people have died elsewhere but all that was given was their age - no details other details so its pretty hard to draw any conclusion from that.

Younger folk may have had undiagnosed co-morbidities.

 

[twentyforty]

No doubt this is an extremely infectious virus and some of those who contract will get very ill and a small number will die. However the numbers in Australia do need to be put in to perspective. The death rate in Australia from the virus as a percentage against the population rather than number of cases ( because number of cases is a guess at best) is .00008%. No one under the age of 68 has died as of yet, So from age 0 to 67 the death rate in Australia is 0.0%. I fully agree with isolation to avoid spreading the virus however to me the projected figures of probable deaths seems way out of whack.


Don’t be fooled by that Isolated statistic that no young people in Australia has died. I hope you’re not expecting people to believe that they should feel secure if they are younger than 67?
An 18yo died of the virus yesterday in UK. Meanwhile in the USA only 53% of patients hospitalised are over age 55. A persons survival expectancy has nothing to do with age and everything to do with how healthy and strong they may be. Or indeed if they have a preexisting condition.

Thats exactly right but that is the same as any condition. The healthier and fitter a person is the more likely they are to pull through. i know a few younger people have died elsewhere but all that was given was their age - no details other details so its pretty hard to draw any conclusion from that.

Well that is not entirely accurate. For example the 18 yo from UK had a pre-exisiting condition. I like your intention to view this pandemic with minimum impact potential but it is anything but and people need to take this seriously for the sake and well being for everybody. Make no mistake, this is a dangerous virus.

 

[Tiger5150]

No doubt this is an extremely infectious virus and some of those who contract will get very ill and a small number will die. However the numbers in Australia do need to be put in to perspective. The death rate in Australia from the virus as a percentage against the population rather than number of cases ( because number of cases is a guess at best) is .00008%. No one under the age of 68 has died as of yet, So from age 0 to 67 the death rate in Australia is 0.0%. I fully agree with isolation to avoid spreading the virus however to me the projected figures of probable deaths seems way out of whack.


This is because of the time lag with the exponential growth of the cases. It reportedly takes 20 days to die. There were 1350 cases 20 days ago so the 20 dead represents about 1.5%. In twenty days you would anticipate our deaths to be around 72.

I dont understand you comparing deaths (growing number) to overall population (static number), that rate doesnt help much.

Do you compare those people who die of heart attacks only with people who have heart disease or against the overall population. Same thing - the death rate form heart attack is a percentage of the overall population.

Everyone with a heart can die of a heart attack. Only people with the virus can die of the virus. Do they include men in percentage of people dying of cervical cancer?

With cancers they quote incidence rates against the general population but survival rates are within population of cancer sufferers.

 

[twentyforty]

The U.S has now over 83 000 confirmed cases. The most of any nation in the world. If restrictions are lifted by Easter, 100 million could be infected by October, with over 1 million deaths forecast. That’s just in the U.S.

Since you posted this just 5 days ago, their cases have gone up by more than 100,000.

They are now past 188,000. Global cases approaching 900,000, will be a million by tomorrow.

Its already 5 mil if China revealed the true numbers.

Yeah I've got no doubt Chinese numbers are higher than the official numbers.

And you're right that many poorer countries probably have higher numbers than have been counted (not because of cover ups, because of under-diagnosis). I suspect India and Pakistan, for example, have at least tens of thousands of cases, if not hundreds of thousands.

Any main stream theory on why China is reporting 21 million less mobile phone users last month?? Any reason why this isnt getting more Main stream coverage?? We wouldnt want the sheep to put it all together. :face_with_rolling_eyes:

It couldnt possibly have anything to do with the actual reflection on how many have truly died or are infected with the virus, right??

Schroedingers Chinaman?

Is that 21m less phone users or 21m less apple purchases?

 

[Cairnstigers]

The U.S has now over 83 000 confirmed cases. The most of any nation in the world. If restrictions are lifted by Easter, 100 million could be infected by October, with over 1 million deaths forecast. That’s just in the U.S.

Since you posted this just 5 days ago, their cases have gone up by more than 100,000.

They are now past 188,000. Global cases approaching 900,000, will be a million by tomorrow.

Its already 5 mil if China revealed the true numbers.

Yeah I've got no doubt Chinese numbers are higher than the official numbers.

And you're right that many poorer countries probably have higher numbers than have been counted (not because of cover ups, because of under-diagnosis). I suspect India and Pakistan, for example, have at least tens of thousands of cases, if not hundreds of thousands.

Any main stream theory on why China is reporting 21 million less mobile phone users last month?? Any reason why this isnt getting more Main stream coverage?? We wouldnt want the sheep to put it all together. :face_with_rolling_eyes:

It couldnt possibly have anything to do with the actual reflection on how many have truly died or are infected with the virus, right??

Maybe the virus has mutated already
Maybe it's now a phone virus
That would explain the drop in numbers

On a serious note
The Chinese government probably blocked the phones, this would stop people reporting the conditions they are going through with the rest of the world

 

[tony soprano]

‪If tens of thousands of people die each year of the flu each year can someone explain why we have closed have the country stuffed our economy and walking around with tin foils on our head for the corona virus? ‬

 

[Tim Sheens]

‪If tens of thousands of people die each year of the flu each year can someone explain why we have closed have the country stuffed our economy and walking around with tin foils on our head for the corona virus? ‬

I'll take a stab in the dark and say that it just could, might, may be because we are trying stop a worldwide toll of hundred/s of million lives if left unchecked.

I find it really hard to believe that after seeing even a quarter of the potential reality and actual extent of the Chinese lockdown, that anyone would have compared it to seasonal influenza, let alone a bloody leader with months of briefings. I mean, get real people, doors weren't welded shut for fun.