Coronavirus Outbreak

[TillLindemann]

A random test of 500 people in Afghanistan found a third were infected with coronavirus.

 

[jadtiger]

A French doctor has confirmed that the first person with it in France was actually in DECEMBER but no further details given(BBC website)

 

[Cairnstigers]

Just on this app
If we can't get enough people to sign up voluntary, then the Government should make it compulsory for those who wish to receive the job keeper allowance.
No app no pay
Also priority could be given to those who get sick is you had downloaded the app.
I know that may sound harsh, but for those that actually care, it was seem reasonably fair
If you don't care to protect other lives including you own then back of the list for you if push came to shove.
Put it this way
Think of the app as an insurance policy and you have invested in that policy
Now you go to hospital with covid and beside you is someone who has covid who has not downloaded the app
There is only one ventilator left to save one life
Who gets it ?
Is this controversial or fair ?

No, if we even get to that point then the app was a total failure.

The App will never be a failure only the people living with tin foil hats will be !! Probably at a huge cost for others .

So do you agree we should give treatment priority to people why have downloaded the app?

Yes why not give priority to those who care
These are the people talking it seriously and who don't want the Virus and more importantly don't want to spread it
Why give someone who doesn't value the life of others all of a doctor's efforts when this same doctor could save the life of a response person who actually cares, and has taken all efforts to help defeat this Virus
If people expect doctors to help them, try helping the doctors in the 1st place by not spreading it

Yep and no cancer treatment to smokers, no medical care to obese people, no emergency surgery to those who drive recklessly and crash. Hopefully you can see where i'm going with this.

Do you think if the hospital was inundated with patients from corona virus that the people you talk of would get that treatment

Something personal about my life I like to try and keep quiet but though I would tell part of the story, and I know others on here would have similar stories

My 14 year old daughter had cancer in her neck and required major treatment and operations. Every 6 months for the rest of her life she has to travel to Victoria for ongoing tests to check if it comes back as it can metastasize. Now she can't do that.
Luckily she had one of the best team of doctors available to help us. I would hate to think some selfish person could jeopardise someone else's life because of their selfish acts.

Would you like to be the person/doctor to explain to a family why the Doctors can't operate or save a childs life, because they are to busy saving an irresponsible persons life.
Off course there should be priority given to certain patients. Regardless of the illness.

By the way it's 7 years since my daughter's operation and she is still clear. The radiation caused other issues but she is still getting on with her life and living it to the fullest. But she is just one of the many people in danger of becoming a victim of this Virus should she get it.

Its quite clear
Some people think and care about other people from all walks of life
And some don't

 

[Tiger5150]

Just on this app
If we can't get enough people to sign up voluntary, then the Government should make it compulsory for those who wish to receive the job keeper allowance.
No app no pay
Also priority could be given to those who get sick is you had downloaded the app.
I know that may sound harsh, but for those that actually care, it was seem reasonably fair
If you don't care to protect other lives including you own then back of the list for you if push came to shove.
Put it this way
Think of the app as an insurance policy and you have invested in that policy
Now you go to hospital with covid and beside you is someone who has covid who has not downloaded the app
There is only one ventilator left to save one life
Who gets it ?
Is this controversial or fair ?

No, if we even get to that point then the app was a total failure.

The App will never be a failure only the people living with tin foil hats will be !! Probably at a huge cost for others .

So do you agree we should give treatment priority to people why have downloaded the app?

Yes why not give priority to those who care
These are the people talking it seriously and who don't want the Virus and more importantly don't want to spread it
Why give someone who doesn't value the life of others all of a doctor's efforts when this same doctor could save the life of a response person who actually cares, and has taken all efforts to help defeat this Virus
If people expect doctors to help them, try helping the doctors in the 1st place by not spreading it

Yep and no cancer treatment to smokers, no medical care to obese people, no emergency surgery to those who drive recklessly and crash. Hopefully you can see where i'm going with this.

Do you think if the hospital was inundated with patients from corona virus that the people you talk of would get that treatment

Something personal about my life I like to try and keep quiet but though I would tell part of the story, and I know others on here would have similar stories

My 14 year old daughter had cancer in her neck and required major treatment and operations. Every 6 months for the rest of her life she has to travel to Victoria for ongoing tests to check if it comes back as it can metastasize. Now she can't do that.
Luckily she had one of the best team of doctors available to help us. I would hate to think some selfish person could jeopardise someone else's life because of their selfish acts.

Would you like to be the person/doctor to explain to a family why the Doctors can't operate or save a childs life, because they are to busy saving an irresponsible persons life.
Off course there should be priority given to certain patients. Regardless of the illness.

By the way it's 7 years since my daughter's operation and she is still clear. The radiation caused other issues but she is still getting on with her life and living it to the fullest. But she is just one of the many people in danger of becoming a victim of this Virus should she get it.

Its quite clear
Some people think and care about other people from all walks of life
And some don't

Great post and certainly puts things in perspective. Unfortunately my experience is that society is full of narcisissts and psycopaths how dont give a rats about others.

Hoping for continued good health for your daughter, together you guys have faced the toughest thing I can imagine.

 

[JD Tiger]

Just on this app
If we can't get enough people to sign up voluntary, then the Government should make it compulsory for those who wish to receive the job keeper allowance.
No app no pay
Also priority could be given to those who get sick is you had downloaded the app.
I know that may sound harsh, but for those that actually care, it was seem reasonably fair
If you don't care to protect other lives including you own then back of the list for you if push came to shove.
Put it this way
Think of the app as an insurance policy and you have invested in that policy
Now you go to hospital with covid and beside you is someone who has covid who has not downloaded the app
There is only one ventilator left to save one life
Who gets it ?
Is this controversial or fair ?

No, if we even get to that point then the app was a total failure.

The App will never be a failure only the people living with tin foil hats will be !! Probably at a huge cost for others .

So do you agree we should give treatment priority to people why have downloaded the app?

Yes why not give priority to those who care
These are the people talking it seriously and who don't want the Virus and more importantly don't want to spread it
Why give someone who doesn't value the life of others all of a doctor's efforts when this same doctor could save the life of a response person who actually cares, and has taken all efforts to help defeat this Virus
If people expect doctors to help them, try helping the doctors in the 1st place by not spreading it

Yep and no cancer treatment to smokers, no medical care to obese people, no emergency surgery to those who drive recklessly and crash. Hopefully you can see where i'm going with this.

Do you think if the hospital was inundated with patients from corona virus that the people you talk of would get that treatment

Something personal about my life I like to try and keep quiet but though I would tell part of the story, and I know others on here would have similar stories

My 14 year old daughter had cancer in her neck and required major treatment and operations. Every 6 months for the rest of her life she has to travel to Victoria for ongoing tests to check if it comes back as it can metastasize. Now she can't do that.
Luckily she had one of the best team of doctors available to help us. I would hate to think some selfish person could jeopardise someone else's life because of their selfish acts.

Would you like to be the person/doctor to explain to a family why the Doctors can't operate or save a childs life, because they are to busy saving an irresponsible persons life.
Off course there should be priority given to certain patients. Regardless of the illness.

By the way it's 7 years since my daughter's operation and she is still clear. The radiation caused other issues but she is still getting on with her life and living it to the fullest. But she is just one of the many people in danger of becoming a victim of this Virus should she get it.

Its quite clear
Some people think and care about other people from all walks of life
And some don't

It is worrying mate that a lot of people engage in risk taking behaviour not even thinking about the consequences that their actions may have on others. I think as a community based society we don't actually do very well in looking after each other, and there are many areas where we have dropped the ball and seem to have no inclination of picking it up.

I hope your daughter's check-ups are able to continue again soon, without any heart palpitations and scares, and all continues to go well for her. It's amazing the strength that some people have to get through things which to others who haven't gone through it seems impossible.

 

[cochise]

Just on this app
If we can't get enough people to sign up voluntary, then the Government should make it compulsory for those who wish to receive the job keeper allowance.
No app no pay
Also priority could be given to those who get sick is you had downloaded the app.
I know that may sound harsh, but for those that actually care, it was seem reasonably fair
If you don't care to protect other lives including you own then back of the list for you if push came to shove.
Put it this way
Think of the app as an insurance policy and you have invested in that policy
Now you go to hospital with covid and beside you is someone who has covid who has not downloaded the app
There is only one ventilator left to save one life
Who gets it ?
Is this controversial or fair ?

No, if we even get to that point then the app was a total failure.

The App will never be a failure only the people living with tin foil hats will be !! Probably at a huge cost for others .

So do you agree we should give treatment priority to people why have downloaded the app?

Yes why not give priority to those who care
These are the people talking it seriously and who don't want the Virus and more importantly don't want to spread it
Why give someone who doesn't value the life of others all of a doctor's efforts when this same doctor could save the life of a response person who actually cares, and has taken all efforts to help defeat this Virus
If people expect doctors to help them, try helping the doctors in the 1st place by not spreading it

Yep and no cancer treatment to smokers, no medical care to obese people, no emergency surgery to those who drive recklessly and crash. Hopefully you can see where i'm going with this.

Do you think if the hospital was inundated with patients from corona virus that the people you talk of would get that treatment

Something personal about my life I like to try and keep quiet but though I would tell part of the story, and I know others on here would have similar stories

My 14 year old daughter had cancer in her neck and required major treatment and operations. Every 6 months for the rest of her life she has to travel to Victoria for ongoing tests to check if it comes back as it can metastasize. Now she can't do that.
Luckily she had one of the best team of doctors available to help us. I would hate to think some selfish person could jeopardise someone else's life because of their selfish acts.

Would you like to be the person/doctor to explain to a family why the Doctors can't operate or save a childs life, because they are to busy saving an irresponsible persons life.
Off course there should be priority given to certain patients. Regardless of the illness.

By the way it's 7 years since my daughter's operation and she is still clear. The radiation caused other issues but she is still getting on with her life and living it to the fullest. But she is just one of the many people in danger of becoming a victim of this Virus should she get it.

Its quite clear
Some people think and care about other people from all walks of life
And some don't

Mate, I am very sorry to read that. There is nothing worse than illness or injury impacts our kids and it is horrible that this virus has prevented her from being able to travel to see her doctors. I now see where you are coming from with your stance on treatment in relation to the app. I still do not agree with you but 100% understand why you would be making that argument.

I sincerely hope everything remains clear for your daughter.

 

[mike]

I may be being a bit of a Cassandra here, but I see a slightly concernning trend in the data ATM.

The rate of growth of new cases has been constantly dleclining since the restrictions came in and we got the rate of new cases down very low and numbers of new cases down to around 10 a day or lower,

Last 4 days has been a slight but steady increase with numbers of new cases progressing from 7, 14, 16, 18 and the multiplier has steadily increased from 1.001 to 1.003.

Still incredibly small numbers but concerning that the trajectory is now up.



There is a cluster in a Victorian meat works, 12 in one location overnight. Now in isolation and contact tracing being implemented.

 

[Papacito]

I think we might expect to see the numbers move around for a while @Tiger5150 . Probably too early to call it an upward trend. The blip may be as a result of relaxation of social distancing (intended and unintended) but it might also be as a result of increased testing.
We could look at the ratio of positive results to test taken, but even that figure would be a bit difficult to interpret because the criteria for testing has changed and will probably continue to change.
I guess that all we can do is remain alert to the possible issues that might influence a change in the numbers being recorded. As you say, the good news is that infections seem to be staying at a fairly low rate.
These graphs are really good, by the way.


THanks Tigger. My POV on it was that i was really hoping we could crush it down to zero and hold for a few weeks, With Govt looking to open up, it seems that is not going to be attempted which to me means we will likely be in a very drawn out period of varying restrictions.

**IMO if it starts to escalate I think it will be very difficult to get Aussies to lock down hard a second time.**

This is an excellent point. I think it would be mentally devastating to a lot of people.

Hopefully the increased testing capacity makes a difference in reducing the infection rate.

 

[innsaneink]

Any tech wiz know if we can see on the Covid Safe app if we've been near someone positive?
Or if someone's following us? 👀

 

[cochise]

Any tech wiz know if we can see on the Covid Safe app if we've been near someone positive?
Or if someone's following us? 👀

Only health authorities can see people who were in close proximity to someone with covid 19

 

[trentrunciman]

Any tech wiz know if we can see on the Covid Safe app if we've been near someone positive?
Or if someone's following us? ?

Only health authorities can see people who were in close proximity to someone with covid 19


 

[cochise]

Any tech wiz know if we can see on the Covid Safe app if we've been near someone positive?
Or if someone's following us? ?

Only health authorities can see people who were in close proximity to someone with covid 19


I don't understand your post?

 

[trentrunciman]

Any tech wiz know if we can see on the Covid Safe app if we've been near someone positive?
Or if someone's following us? ?

Only health authorities can see people who were in close proximity to someone with covid 19


I don't understand your post?

Apologies Coch. Was meant to be directed @insane . I was just SS the app for him to see

App doesnn't do much at all.





https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-05-01/covidsafe-contact-tracing-app-rollout-issues-iphone-wifi-bugs/12202876


**COVIDSafe coronavirus contact-tracing app faces software bugs and lingering iPhone issues
ABC Science / By technology reporter Ariel Bogle
Posted 3ddays ago, updated 3ddays ago
a phone with the COVIDSafe app open on it. Screen says COVIDSafe is active
Almost one week on, millions of Australians have downloaded COVIDSafe but technology experts hope some bugs will be fixed.(Solua Middleton)
Share**

More than 3 million Australians have downloaded COVIDSafe, but concerns remain about the performance of the Federal Government's coronavirus contact-tracing app on iPhone and other software bugs.

Key points:
Since it was released, software engineers have been dissecting the COVIDSafe app
The app's Bluetooth capability may be limited on iPhone if the app isn't 'foregrounded'
Bugs have been found in the sign-up process, including one that may affect rural Telstra customers
The app, which aims to speed up the process of identifying those who may have been exposed to COVID-19, uses Bluetooth to record encrypted IDs from nearby devices that also have the app.

Almost one week since launch, the Government is yet to release its source code, but that has not stopped software specialists from dissecting it.

The industry consensus so far suggests the app works largely as described — it does not collect your GPS location and deletes all information held on the app older than 21 days — but that some of its design could be improved.

"Given the timeframes they pulled this off in, it's quite a good initial release," said Jessica Glenn, executive chair of technology firm QTE.am, which has analysed the app.

"There are some bugs, but that's inherent in all software. I imagine we'll see many of them resolved in the next update."

Coronavirus questions answered
An illustration of a cell on an orange background with the word 'coronacast' overlayed.
Breaking down the latest news and research to understand how the world is living through an epidemic, this is the ABC's Coronacast podcast.

Read more
The Government did not comment when asked for details on the timeframe for the first COVIDSafe software update.

iPhone issues remain
Whether COVIDSafe performs effectively on iPhone remains a key issue.

The software works best when the iPhone is unlocked and the app is open on the screen, according to the Digital Transformation Agency (DTA), which oversees the project.

A DTA spokesperson admitted there were limitations to Bluetooth functionality when an app was running in the background on an iPhone.

"When [an app] is running in the background, there may be some variability in the digital handshakes on iOS devices," he said, or its ability to exchange signals with other apps on iOS.

An app is foregrounded when the phone is unlocked and the app is open on the screen, according to the DTA. The background refers to when you switch from using the app to another app or when the phone is locked.

This technical limitation could affect the app's ability to pick up close contacts, and so reduce its usefulness to the contact-tracing process as Australia relaxes lockdown measures.

During testing, Ms Glenn said her team found "mixed" performance on iPhones when the app was in the background — or running but not the app that was in view.

Apple's iOS typically prevent third-party apps from running in the background and broadcasting Bluetooth signals — a security rule that meant Singapore's TraceTogether app, on which COVIDSafe is modelled, also worked best on an unlocked iPhone.

Apple and Google are building their own contact-tracing approach, and the DTA said it would determine if that capability could "enhance the performance of COVIDSafe".

To control the COVID-19 outbreak we need to keep growth factor below 1.0
Australia's current
growth factor is
0.98
Mar 20May 3
HIGHEST
1.31 Mar 8th
LOWEST
0.86 Apr 26th
FIND OUT MORE
Difficulty signing up
Open-source engineer Geoffrey Huntley has taken a close look at the Android version of the COVIDSafe app.

He found an accessibility issue when people first start entering their details into the app.

When trying to sign up, some people may see an error message that suggests their mobile number is invalid. In some instances, this can be fixed by turning off the Wi-Fi and instead using the mobile network for initial set-up.

The app will also try to send a verification code via SMS. That process cannot take place over Wi-Fi if you're with mobile network operators like Telstra that don't allow Wi-Fi SMS, as Gizmodo also reported.

That means the app isn't easily accessed by those without reliable mobile reception — in rural areas, for example.

"If the Government is going to try and get people on board … this is an outstanding [issue] that has been open now for four days," Mr Huntley said. "It needs resolving."

A photo of a smartphone with the app store open to the COVIDSafe app.
It's still unclear how COVIDSafe operates on iPhone, and how to ensure it's making connections with other apps.(ABC News: Rachel Riga)
A Telstra spokesperson said it is planning to introduce a SMS over Wi-Fi capability into the network, and will work with the Government "on alternative methods for the COVIDSafe app to send an authentication code".

While it investigates the issue, the DTA advised impacted users to register on the app over mobile network the next time they are in a coverage area. "This might be when they travel into town to purchase groceries or supplies," a spokesperson said.

There are also obstacles for those who are from overseas, or who may be using numbers and devices purchased in other countries.

The app only allows numbers with a +61 country code to register. Likewise, both the Android and iOS app can only be downloaded from their respective app stores with an Australian account, which means tourists and immigrant workers may not be able to use the app.

A phone screen that asks COVIDSafe users to enter their phone number.
COVIDSafe only allows people with Australian mobile phone numbers to sign up.(ABC News: COVIDSafe Screenshot)
"It's not as simple as switching between the different stores," Mr Huntley said. "You can't do that unless you cancel all of your subscriptions on your UK account, like Spotify … it's a major hindrance."

A DTA spokesperson said it was aware of the issue. "We are exploring options to make sure as many Australians as possible can download and use COVIDSafe," he said.

The app is also not available on smartphones with older operating systems due to security and Bluetooth limitations, according to the DTA. For Android, you need Android 6.0 or higher. For iOS, you need iOS 10 or higher.

How to report a bug
While software engineers are poring over COVIDSafe, the Government has not publicised a way for the software bugs and vulnerabilities they find to be reported and addressed — a common practice in the technology industry.

"I would love if there was an easy reporting mechanism … and an official bug bounty program would be very wise," Ms Glenn said, referring to the process by which companies pay those who identify serious vulnerabilities in their software.

Mr Huntley has also tried to report the bugs he has found to the Government. "I have not found a direct engineer-to-engineer contact," he said.

The DTA now says bugs can be reported via the app's "Report an Issue" functionality or by emailing support@covidsafe.gov.au.

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Public understanding of how the app operates is also evolving as the app is more closely scrutinised.

While initial reporting and government explanations of the app suggested it only collected IDs from phones with COVIDSafe within 1.5 metres for more than 15 minutes, it in fact collects IDs from all phones within Bluetooth range — a practice some have called "excessive".

If you're diagnosed with COVID-19 and consent, that data will be shared with a central server and then "interpreted by an algorithm to provide state health officials information only about close contacts".

As the ABC previously reported, the app also collects the model of phones it has encountered.

"Because mobile phone device models are different in Bluetooth strength and how they operate, all contacts within Bluetooth range are noted on the user's device," a DTA spokesperson said.

"The phone model data is not used as part of the contact-tracing process."

 

[cochise]

Any tech wiz know if we can see on the Covid Safe app if we've been near someone positive?
Or if someone's following us? ?

Only health authorities can see people who were in close proximity to someone with covid 19


I don't understand your post?

Apologies Coch. Was meant to be directed @insane . I was just SS the app for him to see

App doesnn't do much at all.





https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-05-01/covidsafe-contact-tracing-app-rollout-issues-iphone-wifi-bugs/12202876


**COVIDSafe coronavirus contact-tracing app faces software bugs and lingering iPhone issues
ABC Science / By technology reporter Ariel Bogle
Posted 3ddays ago, updated 3ddays ago
a phone with the COVIDSafe app open on it. Screen says COVIDSafe is active
Almost one week on, millions of Australians have downloaded COVIDSafe but technology experts hope some bugs will be fixed.(Solua Middleton)
Share**

More than 3 million Australians have downloaded COVIDSafe, but concerns remain about the performance of the Federal Government's coronavirus contact-tracing app on iPhone and other software bugs.

Key points:
Since it was released, software engineers have been dissecting the COVIDSafe app
The app's Bluetooth capability may be limited on iPhone if the app isn't 'foregrounded'
Bugs have been found in the sign-up process, including one that may affect rural Telstra customers
The app, which aims to speed up the process of identifying those who may have been exposed to COVID-19, uses Bluetooth to record encrypted IDs from nearby devices that also have the app.

Almost one week since launch, the Government is yet to release its source code, but that has not stopped software specialists from dissecting it.

The industry consensus so far suggests the app works largely as described — it does not collect your GPS location and deletes all information held on the app older than 21 days — but that some of its design could be improved.

"Given the timeframes they pulled this off in, it's quite a good initial release," said Jessica Glenn, executive chair of technology firm QTE.am, which has analysed the app.

"There are some bugs, but that's inherent in all software. I imagine we'll see many of them resolved in the next update."

Coronavirus questions answered
An illustration of a cell on an orange background with the word 'coronacast' overlayed.
Breaking down the latest news and research to understand how the world is living through an epidemic, this is the ABC's Coronacast podcast.

Read more
The Government did not comment when asked for details on the timeframe for the first COVIDSafe software update.

iPhone issues remain
Whether COVIDSafe performs effectively on iPhone remains a key issue.

The software works best when the iPhone is unlocked and the app is open on the screen, according to the Digital Transformation Agency (DTA), which oversees the project.

A DTA spokesperson admitted there were limitations to Bluetooth functionality when an app was running in the background on an iPhone.

"When [an app] is running in the background, there may be some variability in the digital handshakes on iOS devices," he said, or its ability to exchange signals with other apps on iOS.

An app is foregrounded when the phone is unlocked and the app is open on the screen, according to the DTA. The background refers to when you switch from using the app to another app or when the phone is locked.

This technical limitation could affect the app's ability to pick up close contacts, and so reduce its usefulness to the contact-tracing process as Australia relaxes lockdown measures.

During testing, Ms Glenn said her team found "mixed" performance on iPhones when the app was in the background — or running but not the app that was in view.

Apple's iOS typically prevent third-party apps from running in the background and broadcasting Bluetooth signals — a security rule that meant Singapore's TraceTogether app, on which COVIDSafe is modelled, also worked best on an unlocked iPhone.

Apple and Google are building their own contact-tracing approach, and the DTA said it would determine if that capability could "enhance the performance of COVIDSafe".

To control the COVID-19 outbreak we need to keep growth factor below 1.0
Australia's current
growth factor is
0.98
Mar 20May 3
HIGHEST
1.31 Mar 8th
LOWEST
0.86 Apr 26th
FIND OUT MORE
Difficulty signing up
Open-source engineer Geoffrey Huntley has taken a close look at the Android version of the COVIDSafe app.

He found an accessibility issue when people first start entering their details into the app.

When trying to sign up, some people may see an error message that suggests their mobile number is invalid. In some instances, this can be fixed by turning off the Wi-Fi and instead using the mobile network for initial set-up.

The app will also try to send a verification code via SMS. That process cannot take place over Wi-Fi if you're with mobile network operators like Telstra that don't allow Wi-Fi SMS, as Gizmodo also reported.

That means the app isn't easily accessed by those without reliable mobile reception — in rural areas, for example.

"If the Government is going to try and get people on board … this is an outstanding [issue] that has been open now for four days," Mr Huntley said. "It needs resolving."

A photo of a smartphone with the app store open to the COVIDSafe app.
It's still unclear how COVIDSafe operates on iPhone, and how to ensure it's making connections with other apps.(ABC News: Rachel Riga)
A Telstra spokesperson said it is planning to introduce a SMS over Wi-Fi capability into the network, and will work with the Government "on alternative methods for the COVIDSafe app to send an authentication code".

While it investigates the issue, the DTA advised impacted users to register on the app over mobile network the next time they are in a coverage area. "This might be when they travel into town to purchase groceries or supplies," a spokesperson said.

There are also obstacles for those who are from overseas, or who may be using numbers and devices purchased in other countries.

The app only allows numbers with a +61 country code to register. Likewise, both the Android and iOS app can only be downloaded from their respective app stores with an Australian account, which means tourists and immigrant workers may not be able to use the app.

A phone screen that asks COVIDSafe users to enter their phone number.
COVIDSafe only allows people with Australian mobile phone numbers to sign up.(ABC News: COVIDSafe Screenshot)
"It's not as simple as switching between the different stores," Mr Huntley said. "You can't do that unless you cancel all of your subscriptions on your UK account, like Spotify … it's a major hindrance."

A DTA spokesperson said it was aware of the issue. "We are exploring options to make sure as many Australians as possible can download and use COVIDSafe," he said.

The app is also not available on smartphones with older operating systems due to security and Bluetooth limitations, according to the DTA. For Android, you need Android 6.0 or higher. For iOS, you need iOS 10 or higher.

How to report a bug
While software engineers are poring over COVIDSafe, the Government has not publicised a way for the software bugs and vulnerabilities they find to be reported and addressed — a common practice in the technology industry.

"I would love if there was an easy reporting mechanism … and an official bug bounty program would be very wise," Ms Glenn said, referring to the process by which companies pay those who identify serious vulnerabilities in their software.

Mr Huntley has also tried to report the bugs he has found to the Government. "I have not found a direct engineer-to-engineer contact," he said.

The DTA now says bugs can be reported via the app's "Report an Issue" functionality or by emailing support@covidsafe.gov.au.

Have you seen something about coronavirus that doesn't seem right?
False stamp over social media apps
If something pops up in your feeds or inboxes, please help us by uploading screenshots, photos, videos or links, and tell us how it got to you.

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Public understanding of how the app operates is also evolving as the app is more closely scrutinised.

While initial reporting and government explanations of the app suggested it only collected IDs from phones with COVIDSafe within 1.5 metres for more than 15 minutes, it in fact collects IDs from all phones within Bluetooth range — a practice some have called "excessive".

If you're diagnosed with COVID-19 and consent, that data will be shared with a central server and then "interpreted by an algorithm to provide state health officials information only about close contacts".

As the ABC previously reported, the app also collects the model of phones it has encountered.

"Because mobile phone device models are different in Bluetooth strength and how they operate, all contacts within Bluetooth range are noted on the user's device," a DTA spokesperson said.

"The phone model data is not used as part of the contact-tracing process."

No problem mate.

 

[Cairnstigers]

Just on this app
If we can't get enough people to sign up voluntary, then the Government should make it compulsory for those who wish to receive the job keeper allowance.
No app no pay
Also priority could be given to those who get sick is you had downloaded the app.
I know that may sound harsh, but for those that actually care, it was seem reasonably fair
If you don't care to protect other lives including you own then back of the list for you if push came to shove.
Put it this way
Think of the app as an insurance policy and you have invested in that policy
Now you go to hospital with covid and beside you is someone who has covid who has not downloaded the app
There is only one ventilator left to save one life
Who gets it ?
Is this controversial or fair ?

No, if we even get to that point then the app was a total failure.

The App will never be a failure only the people living with tin foil hats will be !! Probably at a huge cost for others .

So do you agree we should give treatment priority to people why have downloaded the app?

Yes why not give priority to those who care
These are the people talking it seriously and who don't want the Virus and more importantly don't want to spread it
Why give someone who doesn't value the life of others all of a doctor's efforts when this same doctor could save the life of a response person who actually cares, and has taken all efforts to help defeat this Virus
If people expect doctors to help them, try helping the doctors in the 1st place by not spreading it

Yep and no cancer treatment to smokers, no medical care to obese people, no emergency surgery to those who drive recklessly and crash. Hopefully you can see where i'm going with this.

Do you think if the hospital was inundated with patients from corona virus that the people you talk of would get that treatment

Something personal about my life I like to try and keep quiet but though I would tell part of the story, and I know others on here would have similar stories

My 14 year old daughter had cancer in her neck and required major treatment and operations. Every 6 months for the rest of her life she has to travel to Victoria for ongoing tests to check if it comes back as it can metastasize. Now she can't do that.
Luckily she had one of the best team of doctors available to help us. I would hate to think some selfish person could jeopardise someone else's life because of their selfish acts.

Would you like to be the person/doctor to explain to a family why the Doctors can't operate or save a childs life, because they are to busy saving an irresponsible persons life.
Off course there should be priority given to certain patients. Regardless of the illness.

By the way it's 7 years since my daughter's operation and she is still clear. The radiation caused other issues but she is still getting on with her life and living it to the fullest. But she is just one of the many people in danger of becoming a victim of this Virus should she get it.

Its quite clear
Some people think and care about other people from all walks of life
And some don't

Mate, I am very sorry to read that. There is nothing worse than illness or injury impacts our kids and it is horrible that this virus has prevented her from being able to travel to see her doctors. I now see where you are coming from with your stance on treatment in relation to the app. I still do not agree with you but 100% understand why you would be making that argument.

I sincerely hope everything remains clear for your daughter.

Look
I didn't write about what we have been through for sympathy
Many of us do it tough and don't talk about it
When you get a second chance you get to appreciate life more
Well some of us do
It would just be nice for us all to get along and help each other out
Even though many of you may not agree with the app
There are many more that do because they can see the value in that
But we all have our rights and belief
I accept that

 

[cochise]

Just on this app
If we can't get enough people to sign up voluntary, then the Government should make it compulsory for those who wish to receive the job keeper allowance.
No app no pay
Also priority could be given to those who get sick is you had downloaded the app.
I know that may sound harsh, but for those that actually care, it was seem reasonably fair
If you don't care to protect other lives including you own then back of the list for you if push came to shove.
Put it this way
Think of the app as an insurance policy and you have invested in that policy
Now you go to hospital with covid and beside you is someone who has covid who has not downloaded the app
There is only one ventilator left to save one life
Who gets it ?
Is this controversial or fair ?

No, if we even get to that point then the app was a total failure.

The App will never be a failure only the people living with tin foil hats will be !! Probably at a huge cost for others .

So do you agree we should give treatment priority to people why have downloaded the app?

Yes why not give priority to those who care
These are the people talking it seriously and who don't want the Virus and more importantly don't want to spread it
Why give someone who doesn't value the life of others all of a doctor's efforts when this same doctor could save the life of a response person who actually cares, and has taken all efforts to help defeat this Virus
If people expect doctors to help them, try helping the doctors in the 1st place by not spreading it

Yep and no cancer treatment to smokers, no medical care to obese people, no emergency surgery to those who drive recklessly and crash. Hopefully you can see where i'm going with this.

Do you think if the hospital was inundated with patients from corona virus that the people you talk of would get that treatment

Something personal about my life I like to try and keep quiet but though I would tell part of the story, and I know others on here would have similar stories

My 14 year old daughter had cancer in her neck and required major treatment and operations. Every 6 months for the rest of her life she has to travel to Victoria for ongoing tests to check if it comes back as it can metastasize. Now she can't do that.
Luckily she had one of the best team of doctors available to help us. I would hate to think some selfish person could jeopardise someone else's life because of their selfish acts.

Would you like to be the person/doctor to explain to a family why the Doctors can't operate or save a childs life, because they are to busy saving an irresponsible persons life.
Off course there should be priority given to certain patients. Regardless of the illness.

By the way it's 7 years since my daughter's operation and she is still clear. The radiation caused other issues but she is still getting on with her life and living it to the fullest. But she is just one of the many people in danger of becoming a victim of this Virus should she get it.

Its quite clear
Some people think and care about other people from all walks of life
And some don't

Mate, I am very sorry to read that. There is nothing worse than illness or injury impacts our kids and it is horrible that this virus has prevented her from being able to travel to see her doctors. I now see where you are coming from with your stance on treatment in relation to the app. I still do not agree with you but 100% understand why you would be making that argument.

I sincerely hope everything remains clear for your daughter.

Look
I didn't write about what we have been through for sympathy
Many of us do it tough and don't talk about it
When you get a second chance you get to appreciate life more
Well some of us do
It would just be nice for us all to get along and help each other out
Even though many of you may not agree with the app
There are many more that do because they can see the value in that
But we all have our rights and belief
I accept that

I know that you didn't, doesn't mean that sympathy cannot be expressed though. As I have stated I have downloaded the app, I just don't believe that should be a prerequisite for medical treatment in our country. That is all I was saying all along, if we hit the limits of our health care system then there is only one factor that should come into a decision on who gets care and that is who as the greatest chance of survival. It shouldn't be who has the app, who does the most for others, who cares about others more, none of that is relevant.

 

[Hangonaminute]

So the app isn't operational and there's been reports that it has been messing up other important apps in people's phones such as a blood sugar app for people with diabetes.
The advice for people with important health apps on their phones is to uninstall the Covid19 app (it doesn't work anyway).

What a joke

 

[TheDaBoss]

Saw a article saying that China said the virus started here 🤣🤣

Delusional

 

[innsaneink]

So the app isn't operational and there's been reports that it has been messing up other important apps in people's phones such as a blood sugar app for people with diabetes.
***The advice*** for people with important health apps on their phones is to uninstall the Covid19 app (it doesn't work anyway).

What a joke

Which advice is that?

 

[Guest]

Saw a article saying that China said the virus started here 🤣🤣

Delusional

Typical communist regime, looking to blame everyone except themselves regardless of the circumstances let alone the truth.