Coronavirus Outbreak

[Papacito]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

 

[CocaCola]

USA -
Influenza - 400,000 - 700,000 hospitalisations resulting in upto 62,000 deaths.
Covid 19 - So far, 141,000 reported deaths due to 'Covid-19'.

Given how many patients have suffered from serious or chronic illnesses such as heart, respiratory or cancer, many of those cases have been marked down as covid deaths due to showing symptoms of Covid.. Add to this majority of deaths are elderly with health problems and no post-mortem to determine the real cause of death, its not a stretch to say the numbers are deliberately tampered with.

It's reported $13,000 are given to those hospitals for each covid patient needing a ICU & $39,000 hospitals receive for each death certificate marked down as Covid death.,

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/n

When you look at Italys figures, you also see numbers not reflecting the true nature of deaths by Covid.

Italy - 35,000 deaths by 'Covid'.
But when you look at how many people were struck down by Influenza before the Covid outbreak, its a blurred line on the death statistics. It seems Italy has not distinguised any difference between the 2 in the Covid statistics. It's also the eldery with reported severe health issues that made up the majority of those death statistics.

https://www.thelocal.it/20200123/flu-outbreak-in-italy-half-a-million-people-struck-down-in-a-week
https://www.thelocal.it/20200103/flu-outbreak-in-italy-should-you-get-vaccinated
http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/influenza/dettaglioNotizieInfluenza.jsp?lingua=italiano&menu=notizie&p=dalministero&id=4732

The virus is very real, it may be as contagious or even more so then the flu, but the death statistics are flawed. And we will never know because autopsys aren't being done in most countries.

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I think there is a vaccine agenda behind this Covid outbreak.

 

[Hangonaminute]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

 

[Tim Sheens]

USA -
Influenza - 400,000 - 700,000 hospitalisations resulting in upto 62,000 deaths.
Covid 19 - So far, 141,000 reported deaths due to 'Covid-19'.

Given how many patients have suffered from serious or chronic illnesses such as heart, respiratory or cancer, many of those cases have been marked down as covid deaths due to showing symptoms of Covid.. Add to this majority of deaths are elderly with health problems and no post-mortem to determine the real cause of death, its not a stretch to say the numbers are deliberately tampered with.

It's reported $13,000 are given to those hospitals for each covid patient needing a ICU & $39,000 hospitals receive for each death certificate marked down as Covid death.,

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/n

When you look at Italys figures, you also see numbers not reflecting the true nature of deaths by Covid.

Italy - 35,000 deaths by 'Covid'.
But when you look at how many people were struck down by Influenza before the Covid outbreak, its a blurred line on the death statistics. It seems Italy has not distinguised any difference between the 2 in the Covid statistics. It's also the eldery with reported severe health issues that made up the majority of those death statistics.

https://www.thelocal.it/20200123/flu-outbreak-in-italy-half-a-million-people-struck-down-in-a-week
https://www.thelocal.it/20200103/flu-outbreak-in-italy-should-you-get-vaccinated
http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/influenza/dettaglioNotizieInfluenza.jsp?lingua=italiano&menu=notizie&p=dalministero&id=4732

The virus is very real, it may be as contagious or even more so then the flu, but the death statistics are flawed. And we will never know because autopsys aren't being done in most countries.

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I think there is a vaccine agenda behind this Covid outbreak.

Fine to look for information, though hospitals all around the world are/were overflowing, with mass graves being dug and incineration elsewhere. No need to look further, but if you must, China was welding shut buildings.

 

[Hangonaminute]

If we just 'lived with' covid like we do the flu, you're not looking at 3,000 v 3,100, you're looking at 3,000 v 100,000.

Further to that, let's get real here, apart from partial immunity, those flu figures are only kept that low because we are already taking reasonable restriction measures through continual development of annual vaccinations, public health warnings and programs.

Covid 19 is a different kettle of fish altogether, with an array of effects, some potentially remaining lifelong upon recovery, that we are now beginning to learn about and only hopeful that a vaccine will be made available to combat it. Basically, the current response is somewhat proportionate and we are looking at mainly saving the lives of those that have already survived an era with inferior medical practices, many more unchecked life threatening diseases and some even the lack of antibiotics.

So what number would the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to self isolate?

Because let's get real here, the current number doesn't bother you at all

 

[Hangonaminute]

USA -
Influenza - 400,000 - 700,000 hospitalisations resulting in upto 62,000 deaths.
Covid 19 - So far, 141,000 reported deaths due to 'Covid-19'.

Given how many patients have suffered from serious or chronic illnesses such as heart, respiratory or cancer, many of those cases have been marked down as covid deaths due to showing symptoms of Covid.. Add to this majority of deaths are elderly with health problems and no post-mortem to determine the real cause of death, its not a stretch to say the numbers are deliberately tampered with.

It's reported $13,000 are given to those hospitals for each covid patient needing a ICU & $39,000 hospitals receive for each death certificate marked down as Covid death.,

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/n

When you look at Italys figures, you also see numbers not reflecting the true nature of deaths by Covid.

Italy - 35,000 deaths by 'Covid'.
But when you look at how many people were struck down by Influenza before the Covid outbreak, its a blurred line on the death statistics. It seems Italy has not distinguised any difference between the 2 in the Covid statistics. It's also the eldery with reported severe health issues that made up the majority of those death statistics.

https://www.thelocal.it/20200123/flu-outbreak-in-italy-half-a-million-people-struck-down-in-a-week
https://www.thelocal.it/20200103/flu-outbreak-in-italy-should-you-get-vaccinated
http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/influenza/dettaglioNotizieInfluenza.jsp?lingua=italiano&menu=notizie&p=dalministero&id=4732

The virus is very real, it may be as contagious or even more so then the flu, but the death statistics are flawed. And we will never know because autopsys aren't being done in most countries.

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like, but I think there is a vaccine agenda behind this Covid outbreak.

You might be interested in what this NY hospital nurse has to say

https://youtu.be/mcUfZlq0gJs

 

[Hangonaminute]

https://youtu.be/mcUfZlq0gJs

 

[CocaCola]

@formerguest
Fine to look for information, though hospitals all around the world are/were overflowing, with mass graves being dug and incineration elsewhere. No need to look further, but if you must, China was welding shut buildings.

I'm not disagreeing with you on that point, I acknowledge there may be a spike in deaths in that duration, but at the same time panic caused back log. Hospitals were full because many people were sick from regular Influenza and other health issues too. They were burying or burning bodies without post mortem because of the 'fear' the virus would spread.

I think you missed what I was getting at. I'm concerned at the actual cause of death, not so much the difference in statistics (as I believe they are tampered with).

If patient 'A' is 82 years of age and has a weak immune system, or patient 'B' dies from respiratory failure, they will mark it down as a Covid19 death.

Covid may act as a catalyst to bring death sooner than later for many already on their way. Influenza also do the same thing, but we see a difference in behaviour of how those deaths are marked down in previous years. When someone is hospitalized now with cancer, lung, heart problems & die due to those illnesses, they will be marked as Covid deaths if any symptom that can be related to Covid can be shown.. $$$

 

[Tim Sheens]

@formerguest
Fine to look for information, though hospitals all around the world are/were overflowing, with mass graves being dug and incineration elsewhere. No need to look further, but if you must, China was welding shut buildings.

I'm not disagreeing with you on that point, I acknowledge there may be a spike in deaths in that duration, but at the same time panic caused back log. Hospitals were full because many people were sick from regular Influenza and other health issues too. They were burying or burning bodies without post mortem because of the 'fear' the virus would spread.

I think you missed what I was getting at. I'm concerned at the actual cause of death, not so much the difference in statistics (as I believe they are tampered with).

If patient 'A' is 82 years of age and has a weak immune system, or patient 'B' dies from respiratory failure, they will mark it down as a Covid19 death.

Covid may act as a catalyst to bring death sooner than later for many already on their way. Influenza also do the same thing, but we see a difference in behaviour of how those deaths are marked down in previous years. When someone is hospitalized now with cancer, lung, heart problems & die due to those illnesses, they will be marked as Covid deaths if any symptom that can be related to Covid can be shown.. $$$

Most of that is fair enough and I abhor the obscene commercialisation of medicine, though the "vaccine agenda" bit from your earlier post set the tone for me.

 

[mike]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

 

[Tim Sheens]

If we just 'lived with' covid like we do the flu, you're not looking at 3,000 v 3,100, you're looking at 3,000 v 100,000.

Further to that, let's get real here, apart from partial immunity, those flu figures are only kept that low because we are already taking reasonable restriction measures through continual development of annual vaccinations, public health warnings and programs.

Covid 19 is a different kettle of fish altogether, with an array of effects, some potentially remaining lifelong upon recovery, that we are now beginning to learn about and only hopeful that a vaccine will be made available to combat it. Basically, the current response is somewhat proportionate and we are looking at mainly saving the lives of those that have already survived an era with inferior medical practices, many more unchecked life threatening diseases and some even the lack of antibiotics.

So what number would the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to self isolate?

Because let's get real here, the current number doesn't bother you at all

Hard to pinpoint an exact figure

I am though still self isolating to a great extent to this very day, even with no known cases in my area of late to the best of my knowledge. This is about community and looking after others for me, finding a balance in the short/medium term between safety, particularly of the older generations and what is necessary for a reasonable life for our children.

We are lucky to live in a country where most have so much available at hand in their homes to be able to do so without feeling alone, apart from physically for some and the ability to provide for those that don't.

I will leave to take my son to play rugby in the morning, socially distancing and following protocols whilst there, then return straight home afterwards if we do not need to go to a supermarket. Apart from walking the dog which will double as exercising, I will not leave the property until I take him to a swimming lesson on Monday evening. By me doing such, it allows for more movement of others, say like those in a relationship living separately.

I am no flag waiver, but respect the sacrifices of the older generations before us to allow the relative freedoms of our modern world and see staying home to stifle a potent threat to their life as a small sacrifice to thank them in return.

 

[Hangonaminute]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

 

[Hangonaminute]

If we just 'lived with' covid like we do the flu, you're not looking at 3,000 v 3,100, you're looking at 3,000 v 100,000.

Further to that, let's get real here, apart from partial immunity, those flu figures are only kept that low because we are already taking reasonable restriction measures through continual development of annual vaccinations, public health warnings and programs.

Covid 19 is a different kettle of fish altogether, with an array of effects, some potentially remaining lifelong upon recovery, that we are now beginning to learn about and only hopeful that a vaccine will be made available to combat it. Basically, the current response is somewhat proportionate and we are looking at mainly saving the lives of those that have already survived an era with inferior medical practices, many more unchecked life threatening diseases and some even the lack of antibiotics.

So what number would the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to self isolate?

Because let's get real here, the current number doesn't bother you at all

Hard to pinpoint an exact figure

I am though still self isolating to a great extent to this very day, even with no known cases in my area of late to the best of my knowledge. This is about community and looking after others for me, finding a balance in the short/medium term between safety, particularly of the older generations and what is necessary for a reasonable life for our children.

We are lucky to live in a country where most have so much available at hand in their homes to be able to do so without feeling alone, apart from physically for some and the ability to provide for those that don't.

I will leave to take my son to play rugby in the morning, socially distancing and following protocols whilst there, then return straight home afterwards if we do not need to go to a supermarket. Apart from walking the dog which will double as exercising, I will not leave the property until I take him to a swimming lesson on Monday evening. By me doing such, it allows for more movement of others, say like those in a relationship living separately.

I am no flag waiver, but respect the sacrifices of the older generations before us to allow the relative freedoms of our modern world and see staying home to stifle a potent threat to their life as a small sacrifice to thank them in return.

Well for your whole life you've been going about your day not even giving it a thought that a few thousand people are dying around you from the flu every year, so you must be ok with the current death rate of the flu, so I'm just interested in where you draw the line.

So you'd self isolate even if the government didn't enforce it?

How many babies have you been around without having the whooping cough injection?

Or if you're a parent, how many people have you exposed your baby to that haven't had the whooping cough injection?

 

[mike]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

 

[Hangonaminute]

My point is, a few thousand people die every year of the flu and nobody bats an eyelid.

113 people with the median age of 80 yrs old die and people are losing their minds

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

Yeah open everything up like the US, and you can be staring down the barrel of 150K deaths, when the flu kills 56K seasonally (CDC data.)

113 people dead from 11,233 recorded cases. 1.01% of those who have officially tested positive have died. Not sure what percentage of those people who tested positive are over 60, but all but three deaths were under the age of 60. 3.8 million Australians over the age of 60 are susceptible to this. I don't know what the positive test rate versus deaths are out of that 11,233 but if it's not largely skewed to elderly Australia there's a hideous amount of death waiting for them.

Then you can start a funeral home and buy more bitcoin.

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self quarantine?

You seem to be ok with 3000 flu deaths now, you've gone about your day for your entire life without even giving it a thought I bet.

3,000 flu deaths is horrible as well (can you please provide the year that occurred because I've never seen a year where it has hit 3,000.) And you know nothing about me, I'm a high risk group for the flu. I'm extremely aware of how dangerous it is for some people. Difference between the flu and this is that we have measures to combat it. Vaccines and knowledge of its behaviour and mechanism. Health services are learning about COVID on the fly so it has the potential to do so much more damage, so the measures are more simplistic and archaic based on our rudimentary knowledge.

Unfortunately people do die from the flu, but they are mitigated risks and impacts. I'm sure many, many more would die without the flu vaccine and decades of study.

There's a gulf in the circumstances around the way the flu is handled and COVID-19.

 

[the_third]

Wests Leagues in Leumeah had a positive case

 

[Tim Sheens]

If we just 'lived with' covid like we do the flu, you're not looking at 3,000 v 3,100, you're looking at 3,000 v 100,000.

Further to that, let's get real here, apart from partial immunity, those flu figures are only kept that low because we are already taking reasonable restriction measures through continual development of annual vaccinations, public health warnings and programs.

Covid 19 is a different kettle of fish altogether, with an array of effects, some potentially remaining lifelong upon recovery, that we are now beginning to learn about and only hopeful that a vaccine will be made available to combat it. Basically, the current response is somewhat proportionate and we are looking at mainly saving the lives of those that have already survived an era with inferior medical practices, many more unchecked life threatening diseases and some even the lack of antibiotics.

So what number would the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to self isolate?

Because let's get real here, the current number doesn't bother you at all

Hard to pinpoint an exact figure

I am though still self isolating to a great extent to this very day, even with no known cases in my area of late to the best of my knowledge. This is about community and looking after others for me, finding a balance in the short/medium term between safety, particularly of the older generations and what is necessary for a reasonable life for our children.

We are lucky to live in a country where most have so much available at hand in their homes to be able to do so without feeling alone, apart from physically for some and the ability to provide for those that don't.

I will leave to take my son to play rugby in the morning, socially distancing and following protocols whilst there, then return straight home afterwards if we do not need to go to a supermarket. Apart from walking the dog which will double as exercising, I will not leave the property until I take him to a swimming lesson on Monday evening. By me doing such, it allows for more movement of others, say like those in a relationship living separately.

I am no flag waiver, but respect the sacrifices of the older generations before us to allow the relative freedoms of our modern world and see staying home to stifle a potent threat to their life as a small sacrifice to thank them in return.

Well for your whole life you've been going about your day not even giving it a thought that a few thousand people are dying around you from the flu every year, so you must be ok with the current death rate of the flu, so I'm just interested in where you draw the line.

So you'd self isolate even if the government didn't enforce it?

How many babies have you been around without having the whooping cough injection?

Or if you're a parent, how many people have you exposed your baby to that haven't had the whooping cough injection?

Yes, I am practicing that now.

None to the best of my knowledge.

None to the best of my knowledge.

 

[Hangonaminute]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You are not debating in good faith and you know it.