Coronavirus Outbreak

[mike]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

Let me try and explain a different way.

Those with pools build fences around them, pool drownings drop to single figures. Have we wasted our money because no one is drowning? Is something amiss because there are no longer multi-digit drownings? If we remove the pool fences, because the death rate is so low and it is suggested they are not needed, what do you think will happen?

The death rates of Covid19 is low because of the measures that have been put into place. Without them the death rate of Covid19 will be 6-10 times that of influenza.

It’s really not all that hard to understand.

 

[mike]

Back to something that concerned me and others early on in this pandemic, we still have not addressed the causes of aged care workers having to and being allowed to perform duties at two or more facilities and even worse doing so whilst having symptoms.

Great that Victoria has made a $1500 payment available to assist people in self quarantining, but there needs to be more done and as this is a federally regulated area, they need to step up as well.

You are right. The practice of doing multiple shifts in different nursing homes will spread the disease across multiple nursing homes very quickly. This practice has to stop.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Back to something that concerned me and others early on in this pandemic, we still have not addressed the causes of aged care workers having to and being allowed to perform duties at two or more facilities and even worse doing so whilst having symptoms.

Great that Victoria has made a $1500 payment available to assist people in self quarantining, but there needs to be more done and as this is a federally regulated area, they need to step up as well.

You are right. The practice of doing multiple shifts in different nursing homes will spread the disease across multiple nursing homes very quickly. This practice has to stop.

Ha, NSW Health will have to put an employee at the desk of every Anglicare facility to ensure that happens because they will not do it unless they are policed. Everything is situation normal again at Newmarch.

 

[mike]

Back to something that concerned me and others early on in this pandemic, we still have not addressed the causes of aged care workers having to and being allowed to perform duties at two or more facilities and even worse doing so whilst having symptoms.

Great that Victoria has made a $1500 payment available to assist people in self quarantining, but there needs to be more done and as this is a federally regulated area, they need to step up as well.

You are right. The practice of doing multiple shifts in different nursing homes will spread the disease across multiple nursing homes very quickly. This practice has to stop.

Ha, NSW Health will have to put an employee at the desk of every Anglicare facility to ensure that happens because they will not do it unless they are policed. Everything is situation normal again at Newmarch.

Pretty disappointing that is.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Back to something that concerned me and others early on in this pandemic, we still have not addressed the causes of aged care workers having to and being allowed to perform duties at two or more facilities and even worse doing so whilst having symptoms.

Great that Victoria has made a $1500 payment available to assist people in self quarantining, but there needs to be more done and as this is a federally regulated area, they need to step up as well.

You are right. The practice of doing multiple shifts in different nursing homes will spread the disease across multiple nursing homes very quickly. This practice has to stop.

Ha, NSW Health will have to put an employee at the desk of every Anglicare facility to ensure that happens because they will not do it unless they are policed. Everything is situation normal again at Newmarch.

Pretty disappointing that is.

Mate I've heard some really pathetic stuff about that place, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Back to something that concerned me and others early on in this pandemic, we still have not addressed the causes of aged care workers having to and being allowed to perform duties at two or more facilities and even worse doing so whilst having symptoms.

Great that Victoria has made a $1500 payment available to assist people in self quarantining, but there needs to be more done and as this is a federally regulated area, they need to step up as well.

You are right. The practice of doing multiple shifts in different nursing homes will spread the disease across multiple nursing homes very quickly. This practice has to stop.

Ha, NSW Health will have to put an employee at the desk of every Anglicare facility to ensure that happens because they will not do it unless they are policed. Everything is situation normal again at Newmarch.

Yeah, systematic issues nationwide apparently and need to be addressed urgently, like yesterday, not next month.

 

[JD Tiger]

Back to something that concerned me and others early on in this pandemic, we still have not addressed the causes of aged care workers having to and being allowed to perform duties at two or more facilities and even worse doing so whilst having symptoms.

Great that Victoria has made a $1500 payment available to assist people in self quarantining, but there needs to be more done and as this is a federally regulated area, they need to step up as well.

You are right. The practice of doing multiple shifts in different nursing homes will spread the disease across multiple nursing homes very quickly. This practice has to stop.

As a shift worker getting bugger all money, and sometimes only a shift or two a fortnight at one place, how is someone supposed to make a living if they can't work multiple sites? There's already a shortage of workers in those industries as the pay is so low.

Perhaps testing people (staff and visitors) upon entering the grounds for symptoms is the go, but that would be a big expense which who pays for?

 

[mike]

Back to something that concerned me and others early on in this pandemic, we still have not addressed the causes of aged care workers having to and being allowed to perform duties at two or more facilities and even worse doing so whilst having symptoms.

Great that Victoria has made a $1500 payment available to assist people in self quarantining, but there needs to be more done and as this is a federally regulated area, they need to step up as well.

You are right. The practice of doing multiple shifts in different nursing homes will spread the disease across multiple nursing homes very quickly. This practice has to stop.

As a shift worker getting bugger all money, and sometimes only a shift or two a fortnight at one place, how is someone supposed to make a living if they can't work multiple sites? There's already a shortage of workers in those industries as the pay is so low.

Perhaps testing people (staff and visitors) upon entering the grounds for symptoms is the go, but that would be a big expense which who pays for?

The Feds have to help here. If you don’t stop people in the front line working at multiple sites it will just spread quickly. This is what has happened in VIC. Testing alone is not enough, they need to isolate the workers as well. Yes there is a cost but the alternative is many deaths in one of the most vulnerable sectors.

 

[JD Tiger]

Back to something that concerned me and others early on in this pandemic, we still have not addressed the causes of aged care workers having to and being allowed to perform duties at two or more facilities and even worse doing so whilst having symptoms.

Great that Victoria has made a $1500 payment available to assist people in self quarantining, but there needs to be more done and as this is a federally regulated area, they need to step up as well.

You are right. The practice of doing multiple shifts in different nursing homes will spread the disease across multiple nursing homes very quickly. This practice has to stop.

As a shift worker getting bugger all money, and sometimes only a shift or two a fortnight at one place, how is someone supposed to make a living if they can't work multiple sites? There's already a shortage of workers in those industries as the pay is so low.

Perhaps testing people (staff and visitors) upon entering the grounds for symptoms is the go, but that would be a big expense which who pays for?

The Feds have to help here. If you don’t stop people in the front line working at multiple sites it will just spread quickly. This is what has happened in VIC. Testing alone is not enough, they need to isolate the workers as well. Yes there is a cost but the alternative is many deaths in one of the most vulnerable sectors.

I guess it's the only way. Some of the staff would receive less money, even going on the JobSeeker Payment, but that's the same for a lot of people.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Back to something that concerned me and others early on in this pandemic, we still have not addressed the causes of aged care workers having to and being allowed to perform duties at two or more facilities and even worse doing so whilst having symptoms.

Great that Victoria has made a $1500 payment available to assist people in self quarantining, but there needs to be more done and as this is a federally regulated area, they need to step up as well.

You are right. The practice of doing multiple shifts in different nursing homes will spread the disease across multiple nursing homes very quickly. This practice has to stop.

As a shift worker getting bugger all money, and sometimes only a shift or two a fortnight at one place, how is someone supposed to make a living if they can't work multiple sites? There's already a shortage of workers in those industries as the pay is so low.

Perhaps testing people (staff and visitors) upon entering the grounds for symptoms is the go, but that would be a big expense which who pays for?

I empathise with that, but in health (particularly when working with high risk groups like elderly and immunocompromised,) it should not be permitted.

 

[JD Tiger]

Back to something that concerned me and others early on in this pandemic, we still have not addressed the causes of aged care workers having to and being allowed to perform duties at two or more facilities and even worse doing so whilst having symptoms.

Great that Victoria has made a $1500 payment available to assist people in self quarantining, but there needs to be more done and as this is a federally regulated area, they need to step up as well.

You are right. The practice of doing multiple shifts in different nursing homes will spread the disease across multiple nursing homes very quickly. This practice has to stop.

As a shift worker getting bugger all money, and sometimes only a shift or two a fortnight at one place, how is someone supposed to make a living if they can't work multiple sites? There's already a shortage of workers in those industries as the pay is so low.

Perhaps testing people (staff and visitors) upon entering the grounds for symptoms is the go, but that would be a big expense which who pays for?

I empathise with that, but in health (particularly when working with high risk groups like elderly and immunocompromised,) it should not be permitted.

Personally I would support that not being allowed. For the moment. After this corona virus is not a pandemic (assuming that it's a when not if), I don't see it as as big an issue then.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Back to something that concerned me and others early on in this pandemic, we still have not addressed the causes of aged care workers having to and being allowed to perform duties at two or more facilities and even worse doing so whilst having symptoms.

Great that Victoria has made a $1500 payment available to assist people in self quarantining, but there needs to be more done and as this is a federally regulated area, they need to step up as well.

You are right. The practice of doing multiple shifts in different nursing homes will spread the disease across multiple nursing homes very quickly. This practice has to stop.

As a shift worker getting bugger all money, and sometimes only a shift or two a fortnight at one place, how is someone supposed to make a living if they can't work multiple sites? There's already a shortage of workers in those industries as the pay is so low.

Perhaps testing people (staff and visitors) upon entering the grounds for symptoms is the go, but that would be a big expense which who pays for?

The Feds have to help here. If you don’t stop people in the front line working at multiple sites it will just spread quickly. This is what has happened in VIC. Testing alone is not enough, they need to isolate the workers as well. Yes there is a cost but the alternative is many deaths in one of the most vulnerable sectors.

I won't pretend to know enough about the sector to put forward significant solutions, though with so many airline personnel sitting around idle on Job Keeper that are used to working within strict protocols, they could be of some use. Surely there could be something done to utilise their skills in at least serving within the facilities to free up depleted staff numbers to contribute in other areas.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Back to something that concerned me and others early on in this pandemic, we still have not addressed the causes of aged care workers having to and being allowed to perform duties at two or more facilities and even worse doing so whilst having symptoms.

Great that Victoria has made a $1500 payment available to assist people in self quarantining, but there needs to be more done and as this is a federally regulated area, they need to step up as well.

You are right. The practice of doing multiple shifts in different nursing homes will spread the disease across multiple nursing homes very quickly. This practice has to stop.

As a shift worker getting bugger all money, and sometimes only a shift or two a fortnight at one place, how is someone supposed to make a living if they can't work multiple sites? There's already a shortage of workers in those industries as the pay is so low.

Perhaps testing people (staff and visitors) upon entering the grounds for symptoms is the go, but that would be a big expense which who pays for?

I empathise with that, but in health (particularly when working with high risk groups like elderly and immunocompromised,) it should not be permitted.

Personally I would support that not being allowed. For the moment. After this corona virus is not a pandemic (assuming that it's a when not if), I don't see it as as big an issue then.

No of course not, I only believe it should implemented as a temporary measure.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Back to something that concerned me and others early on in this pandemic, we still have not addressed the causes of aged care workers having to and being allowed to perform duties at two or more facilities and even worse doing so whilst having symptoms.

Great that Victoria has made a $1500 payment available to assist people in self quarantining, but there needs to be more done and as this is a federally regulated area, they need to step up as well.

You are right. The practice of doing multiple shifts in different nursing homes will spread the disease across multiple nursing homes very quickly. This practice has to stop.

As a shift worker getting bugger all money, and sometimes only a shift or two a fortnight at one place, how is someone supposed to make a living if they can't work multiple sites? There's already a shortage of workers in those industries as the pay is so low.

Perhaps testing people (staff and visitors) upon entering the grounds for symptoms is the go, but that would be a big expense which who pays for?

The Feds have to help here. If you don’t stop people in the front line working at multiple sites it will just spread quickly. This is what has happened in VIC. Testing alone is not enough, they need to isolate the workers as well. Yes there is a cost but the alternative is many deaths in one of the most vulnerable sectors.

I won't pretend to know enough about the sector to put forward significant solutions, though with so many airline personnel sitting around idle on Job Keeper that are used to working within strict protocols, they could be of some use. Surely there could be something done to utilise their skills in at least serving within the facilities to free up depleted staff numbers to contribute in other areas.

We could use the out of work cinema staff to usher Victorians back over their side of the border.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Back to something that concerned me and others early on in this pandemic, we still have not addressed the causes of aged care workers having to and being allowed to perform duties at two or more facilities and even worse doing so whilst having symptoms.

Great that Victoria has made a $1500 payment available to assist people in self quarantining, but there needs to be more done and as this is a federally regulated area, they need to step up as well.

You are right. The practice of doing multiple shifts in different nursing homes will spread the disease across multiple nursing homes very quickly. This practice has to stop.

As a shift worker getting bugger all money, and sometimes only a shift or two a fortnight at one place, how is someone supposed to make a living if they can't work multiple sites? There's already a shortage of workers in those industries as the pay is so low.

Perhaps testing people (staff and visitors) upon entering the grounds for symptoms is the go, but that would be a big expense which who pays for?

The Feds have to help here. If you don’t stop people in the front line working at multiple sites it will just spread quickly. This is what has happened in VIC. Testing alone is not enough, they need to isolate the workers as well. Yes there is a cost but the alternative is many deaths in one of the most vulnerable sectors.

I won't pretend to know enough about the sector to put forward significant solutions, though with so many airline personnel sitting around idle on Job Keeper that are used to working within strict protocols, they could be of some use. Surely there could be something done to utilise their skills in at least serving within the facilities to free up depleted staff numbers to contribute in other areas.

We could use the out of work cinema staff to usher Victorians back over their side of the border.

Maybe span a screen across the rivers north and south so they can tune in drive-in style to listen and watch a movie whilst waiting in line to cross.

Seriously though, the border communities, particularly the sheer numbers to our north, plus the shared facilities and services of our major one to the south, must make for logistical nightmares in trying to control them.

 

[Hangonaminute]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

 

[TillLindemann]

If we just 'lived with' covid like we do the flu, you're not looking at 3,000 v 3,100, you're looking at 3,000 v 100,000.

 

[Hangonaminute]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

Yeah open everything up like the US, and you can be staring down the barrel of 150K deaths, when the flu kills 56K seasonally (CDC data.)

113 people dead from 11,233 recorded cases. 1.01% of those who have officially tested positive have died. Not sure what percentage of those people who tested positive are over 60, but all but three deaths were under the age of 60. 3.8 million Australians over the age of 60 are susceptible to this. I don't know what the positive test rate versus deaths are out of that 11,233 but if it's not largely skewed to elderly Australia there's a hideous amount of death waiting for them.

Then you can start a funeral home and buy more bitcoin.

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self quarantine?

You seem to be ok with 3000 flu deaths now, you've gone about your day for your entire life without even giving it a thought I bet.

 

[TillLindemann]

But it's not the flu - it's on a whole different scale.

It's like saying "what do we need a defence force for? We have magpie attacks every spring but we just live with it, the army doesn't even get involved".

 

[Tim Sheens]

If we just 'lived with' covid like we do the flu, you're not looking at 3,000 v 3,100, you're looking at 3,000 v 100,000.

Further to that, let's get real here, apart from partial immunity, those flu figures are only kept that low because we are already taking reasonable restriction measures through continual development of annual vaccinations, public health warnings and programs.

Covid 19 is a different kettle of fish altogether, with an array of effects, some potentially remaining lifelong upon recovery, that we are now beginning to learn about and only hopeful that a vaccine will be made available to combat it. Basically, the current response is somewhat proportionate and we are looking at mainly saving the lives of those that have already survived an era with inferior medical practices, many more unchecked life threatening diseases and some even the lack of antibiotics.