Coronavirus Outbreak

[cochise]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You really are talking nonsense now.

This is simple risk management, at the moment it seems you've assessed the risk of dying or getting the flu or spreading the flu and determined that it's at level you're willing to live with.

I'm just asking what level does it have to get to before you no longer become comfortable with it?

Because I find it strange that someone would feel the risk is too high at 113 deaths at a median age 80 yet doesn't know their risk tolerance level for the flu and seems comfortable with 1000+ deaths.

Maybe some food for thought

You already know why the death rate is very low. It’s been explained you you a number of different ways. 113 Covid19 dead is not the risk, the risk is if we do nothing it’s 100s of thousands dead. You know that you are pushing a false agenda. But hey keep to your narrative champ.

So what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

You seem to be ok with the number it's been at for however many years you've been alive, I'm guessing you have been going about your day and not been concerned about dying of the flu.

113 covid deaths and a median age of 80 and people are freaking out and locking themselves inside.

1500 - 3000 flu deaths every year for your entire life and you go about your day not even thinking about it.

These are the FACTS

They are a distortion of the facts

Please point out exactly where I'm distorting

Its a distortion because you don't acknowledge why there has only been 113 deaths, you are using the relative low number of deaths to argue against what has lead to that number. It really is just dumb argument, that show very little intelligence.

 

[Hangonaminute]

Guys, please stop taking his bait, he has drawn me in before and it is just a futile discussion.

He's debating in bad faith. False equivalence and whataboutism.

100% mate, that is how he rolls and he has dragged me in many times. Honestly I believe he is trolling in this thread.

He is. That's why I won't engage now.

I have found that best, though I find that very difficult to as I really disagree what it is he is posting.

So how many people have to die of the flu per year for you to self quarantine?

If 50k die, is that a big enough number for you?

This is a reasonable question that nobody seems to want to answer, instead you just want to come up with an ad hominem argument.

Mate, I don't have answer for that, but I will tell you I am concerned enough about what we are facing now to still be taking precautions despite the government lifting restrictions.

Let me ask you, how many lives are you willing to risk with your cavalier attitude to what we are facing? The majority of people you are having a go at are making an effort to reduce the impact of this virus, so I would guess the number of deaths they are willing to accept, as you put it, is lower than yours considering the disregard you have shown to limiting the risk to others since this all started.

I'm not "having a go at" anyone, I'm asking a question.

How do you know what I have or haven't done during this whole shit show?
You have no idea, you're assuming

I just find it interesting that you'll isolate yourself etc for a virus where the median age of death is 80 and only 113 people have died yet you don't know what number the death toll would have to get to before you'd voluntarily self isolate to protect yourself and others against it.

Don't you find that odd?

Mate, I can see what has happened overseas, so no I don't find it odd. Just today I saw them putting freezer trucks outside hospitals in Texas to use as morgues, I'm sure the flu is causing that most years. Yeah, mate I'll isolate myself so that 113 doesn't turn into 50 000.

I also never stated anything about what you have done during this crisis, I was speaking of the disgusting attitude you have displayed on here.

What exactly about my attitude do you not like?

Understand that if "you" have a problem with my attitude, that's "YOUR" problem, you can fix that.

Last time I checked, attitude never put people at risk of covid, you seem to imply that I have.

 

[Hangonaminute]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You really are talking nonsense now.

This is simple risk management, at the moment it seems you've assessed the risk of dying or getting the flu or spreading the flu and determined that it's at level you're willing to live with.

I'm just asking what level does it have to get to before you no longer become comfortable with it?

Because I find it strange that someone would feel the risk is too high at 113 deaths at a median age 80 yet doesn't know their risk tolerance level for the flu and seems comfortable with 1000+ deaths.

Maybe some food for thought

You already know why the death rate is very low. It’s been explained you you a number of different ways. 113 Covid19 dead is not the risk, the risk is if we do nothing it’s 100s of thousands dead. You know that you are pushing a false agenda. But hey keep to your narrative champ.

So what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

You seem to be ok with the number it's been at for however many years you've been alive, I'm guessing you have been going about your day and not been concerned about dying of the flu.

113 covid deaths and a median age of 80 and people are freaking out and locking themselves inside.

1500 - 3000 flu deaths every year for your entire life and you go about your day not even thinking about it.

These are the FACTS

They are a distortion of the facts

Please point out exactly where I'm distorting

Its a distortion because you don't acknowledge why there has only been 113 deaths, you are using the relative low number of deaths to argue against what has lead to that number. It really is just dumb argument, that show very little intelligence.

I do acknowledge why the number is low.

And i still ask what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

The reason for the low number doesn't make my question a dumb one, it's still a valid question

 

[cochise]

Guys, please stop taking his bait, he has drawn me in before and it is just a futile discussion.

He's debating in bad faith. False equivalence and whataboutism.

100% mate, that is how he rolls and he has dragged me in many times. Honestly I believe he is trolling in this thread.

He is. That's why I won't engage now.

I have found that best, though I find that very difficult to as I really disagree what it is he is posting.

So how many people have to die of the flu per year for you to self quarantine?

If 50k die, is that a big enough number for you?

This is a reasonable question that nobody seems to want to answer, instead you just want to come up with an ad hominem argument.

Mate, I don't have answer for that, but I will tell you I am concerned enough about what we are facing now to still be taking precautions despite the government lifting restrictions.

Let me ask you, how many lives are you willing to risk with your cavalier attitude to what we are facing? The majority of people you are having a go at are making an effort to reduce the impact of this virus, so I would guess the number of deaths they are willing to accept, as you put it, is lower than yours considering the disregard you have shown to limiting the risk to others since this all started.

I'm not "having a go at" anyone, I'm asking a question.

How do you know what I have or haven't done during this whole shit show?
You have no idea, you're assuming

I just find it interesting that you'll isolate yourself etc for a virus where the median age of death is 80 and only 113 people have died yet you don't know what number the death toll would have to get to before you'd voluntarily self isolate to protect yourself and others against it.

Don't you find that odd?

Mate, I can see what has happened overseas, so no I don't find it odd. Just today I saw them putting freezer trucks outside hospitals in Texas to use as morgues, I'm sure the flu is causing that most years. Yeah, mate I'll isolate myself so that 113 doesn't turn into 50 000.

I also never stated anything about what you have done during this crisis, I was speaking of the disgusting attitude you have displayed on here.

What exactly about my attitude do you not like?

Understand that if "you" have a problem with my attitude, that's "YOUR" problem, you can fix that.

Last time I checked, attitude never put people at risk of covid, you seem to imply that I have.

Of course it does, what a dumb post. All it takes is one young kid we have visit here to believe the rubbish you sprout, to stop following advice and we could have the start of a cluster. Attitude effects others and that is what has created the problems we are facing now with this.

 

[Hangonaminute]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You really are talking nonsense now.

This is simple risk management, at the moment it seems you've assessed the risk of dying or getting the flu or spreading the flu and determined that it's at level you're willing to live with.

I'm just asking what level does it have to get to before you no longer become comfortable with it?

Because I find it strange that someone would feel the risk is too high at 113 deaths at a median age 80 yet doesn't know their risk tolerance level for the flu and seems comfortable with 1000+ deaths.

Maybe some food for thought

You already know why the death rate is very low. It’s been explained you you a number of different ways. 113 Covid19 dead is not the risk, the risk is if we do nothing it’s 100s of thousands dead. You know that you are pushing a false agenda. But hey keep to your narrative champ.

So what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

You seem to be ok with the number it's been at for however many years you've been alive, I'm guessing you have been going about your day and not been concerned about dying of the flu.

113 covid deaths and a median age of 80 and people are freaking out and locking themselves inside.

1500 - 3000 flu deaths every year for your entire life and you go about your day not even thinking about it.

These are the FACTS

They are a distortion of the facts

You're doing well for someone who won't engage with me. ?

Na, I actually just like making you look silly.

Well It's backfiring.

You can't seem to answer a simple question, instead you resort to an ad hominem argument.
That's what people who don't have an argument do.

 

[cochise]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You really are talking nonsense now.

This is simple risk management, at the moment it seems you've assessed the risk of dying or getting the flu or spreading the flu and determined that it's at level you're willing to live with.

I'm just asking what level does it have to get to before you no longer become comfortable with it?

Because I find it strange that someone would feel the risk is too high at 113 deaths at a median age 80 yet doesn't know their risk tolerance level for the flu and seems comfortable with 1000+ deaths.

Maybe some food for thought

You already know why the death rate is very low. It’s been explained you you a number of different ways. 113 Covid19 dead is not the risk, the risk is if we do nothing it’s 100s of thousands dead. You know that you are pushing a false agenda. But hey keep to your narrative champ.

So what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

You seem to be ok with the number it's been at for however many years you've been alive, I'm guessing you have been going about your day and not been concerned about dying of the flu.

113 covid deaths and a median age of 80 and people are freaking out and locking themselves inside.

1500 - 3000 flu deaths every year for your entire life and you go about your day not even thinking about it.

These are the FACTS

They are a distortion of the facts

Please point out exactly where I'm distorting

Its a distortion because you don't acknowledge why there has only been 113 deaths, you are using the relative low number of deaths to argue against what has lead to that number. It really is just dumb argument, that show very little intelligence.

I do acknowledge why the number is low.

And i still ask what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

The reason for the low number doesn't make my question a dumb one, it's still a valid question

and I answered your question, and asked you what number are you willing to risk before you take this current crisis seriously? You have been urging people to disregard restrictions, including breaking the law since this crisis started. So what number do we need before you act?

 

[cochise]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You really are talking nonsense now.

This is simple risk management, at the moment it seems you've assessed the risk of dying or getting the flu or spreading the flu and determined that it's at level you're willing to live with.

I'm just asking what level does it have to get to before you no longer become comfortable with it?

Because I find it strange that someone would feel the risk is too high at 113 deaths at a median age 80 yet doesn't know their risk tolerance level for the flu and seems comfortable with 1000+ deaths.

Maybe some food for thought

You already know why the death rate is very low. It’s been explained you you a number of different ways. 113 Covid19 dead is not the risk, the risk is if we do nothing it’s 100s of thousands dead. You know that you are pushing a false agenda. But hey keep to your narrative champ.

So what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

You seem to be ok with the number it's been at for however many years you've been alive, I'm guessing you have been going about your day and not been concerned about dying of the flu.

113 covid deaths and a median age of 80 and people are freaking out and locking themselves inside.

1500 - 3000 flu deaths every year for your entire life and you go about your day not even thinking about it.

These are the FACTS

They are a distortion of the facts

You're doing well for someone who won't engage with me. ?

Na, I actually just like making you look silly.

Well It's backfiring.

You can't seem to answer a simple question, instead you resort to an ad hominem argument.
That's what people who don't have an argument do.

I answered it mate.

 

[Hangonaminute]

Guys, please stop taking his bait, he has drawn me in before and it is just a futile discussion.

He's debating in bad faith. False equivalence and whataboutism.

100% mate, that is how he rolls and he has dragged me in many times. Honestly I believe he is trolling in this thread.

He is. That's why I won't engage now.

I have found that best, though I find that very difficult to as I really disagree what it is he is posting.

So how many people have to die of the flu per year for you to self quarantine?

If 50k die, is that a big enough number for you?

This is a reasonable question that nobody seems to want to answer, instead you just want to come up with an ad hominem argument.

Mate, I don't have answer for that, but I will tell you I am concerned enough about what we are facing now to still be taking precautions despite the government lifting restrictions.

Let me ask you, how many lives are you willing to risk with your cavalier attitude to what we are facing? The majority of people you are having a go at are making an effort to reduce the impact of this virus, so I would guess the number of deaths they are willing to accept, as you put it, is lower than yours considering the disregard you have shown to limiting the risk to others since this all started.

I'm not "having a go at" anyone, I'm asking a question.

How do you know what I have or haven't done during this whole shit show?
You have no idea, you're assuming

I just find it interesting that you'll isolate yourself etc for a virus where the median age of death is 80 and only 113 people have died yet you don't know what number the death toll would have to get to before you'd voluntarily self isolate to protect yourself and others against it.

Don't you find that odd?

Mate, I can see what has happened overseas, so no I don't find it odd. Just today I saw them putting freezer trucks outside hospitals in Texas to use as morgues, I'm sure the flu is causing that most years. Yeah, mate I'll isolate myself so that 113 doesn't turn into 50 000.

I also never stated anything about what you have done during this crisis, I was speaking of the disgusting attitude you have displayed on here.

What exactly about my attitude do you not like?

Understand that if "you" have a problem with my attitude, that's "YOUR" problem, you can fix that.

Last time I checked, attitude never put people at risk of covid, you seem to imply that I have.

Of course it does, what a dumb post. All it takes is one young kid we have visit here to believe the rubbish you sprout, to stop following advice and we could have the start of a cluster. Attitude effects others and that is what has created the problems we are facing now with this.

Where have I told anyone to stop following advice?

I've said what I'm doing, I'm not trying to get anyone to do the same and I'm not responsible for anybody else.

What you're saying is ridiculous

 

[cochise]

Guys, please stop taking his bait, he has drawn me in before and it is just a futile discussion.

He's debating in bad faith. False equivalence and whataboutism.

100% mate, that is how he rolls and he has dragged me in many times. Honestly I believe he is trolling in this thread.

He is. That's why I won't engage now.

I have found that best, though I find that very difficult to as I really disagree what it is he is posting.

So how many people have to die of the flu per year for you to self quarantine?

If 50k die, is that a big enough number for you?

This is a reasonable question that nobody seems to want to answer, instead you just want to come up with an ad hominem argument.

Mate, I don't have answer for that, but I will tell you I am concerned enough about what we are facing now to still be taking precautions despite the government lifting restrictions.

Let me ask you, how many lives are you willing to risk with your cavalier attitude to what we are facing? The majority of people you are having a go at are making an effort to reduce the impact of this virus, so I would guess the number of deaths they are willing to accept, as you put it, is lower than yours considering the disregard you have shown to limiting the risk to others since this all started.

I'm not "having a go at" anyone, I'm asking a question.

How do you know what I have or haven't done during this whole shit show?
You have no idea, you're assuming

I just find it interesting that you'll isolate yourself etc for a virus where the median age of death is 80 and only 113 people have died yet you don't know what number the death toll would have to get to before you'd voluntarily self isolate to protect yourself and others against it.

Don't you find that odd?

Mate, I can see what has happened overseas, so no I don't find it odd. Just today I saw them putting freezer trucks outside hospitals in Texas to use as morgues, I'm sure the flu is causing that most years. Yeah, mate I'll isolate myself so that 113 doesn't turn into 50 000.

I also never stated anything about what you have done during this crisis, I was speaking of the disgusting attitude you have displayed on here.

What exactly about my attitude do you not like?

Understand that if "you" have a problem with my attitude, that's "YOUR" problem, you can fix that.

Last time I checked, attitude never put people at risk of covid, you seem to imply that I have.

Of course it does, what a dumb post. All it takes is one young kid we have visit here to believe the rubbish you sprout, to stop following advice and we could have the start of a cluster. Attitude effects others and that is what has created the problems we are facing now with this.

Where have I told anyone to stop following advice?

I've said what I'm doing, I'm not trying to get anyone to do the same and I'm not responsible for anybody else.

What you're saying is ridiculous

You have for months been asking why people are locking themselves a way for this? Are you telling me by asking that question or your arguments on here that you are not promoting people to take this less seriously?

 

[Hangonaminute]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You really are talking nonsense now.

This is simple risk management, at the moment it seems you've assessed the risk of dying or getting the flu or spreading the flu and determined that it's at level you're willing to live with.

I'm just asking what level does it have to get to before you no longer become comfortable with it?

Because I find it strange that someone would feel the risk is too high at 113 deaths at a median age 80 yet doesn't know their risk tolerance level for the flu and seems comfortable with 1000+ deaths.

Maybe some food for thought

You already know why the death rate is very low. It’s been explained you you a number of different ways. 113 Covid19 dead is not the risk, the risk is if we do nothing it’s 100s of thousands dead. You know that you are pushing a false agenda. But hey keep to your narrative champ.

So what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

You seem to be ok with the number it's been at for however many years you've been alive, I'm guessing you have been going about your day and not been concerned about dying of the flu.

113 covid deaths and a median age of 80 and people are freaking out and locking themselves inside.

1500 - 3000 flu deaths every year for your entire life and you go about your day not even thinking about it.

These are the FACTS

They are a distortion of the facts

Please point out exactly where I'm distorting

Its a distortion because you don't acknowledge why there has only been 113 deaths, you are using the relative low number of deaths to argue against what has lead to that number. It really is just dumb argument, that show very little intelligence.

I do acknowledge why the number is low.

And i still ask what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

The reason for the low number doesn't make my question a dumb one, it's still a valid question

and I answered your question, and asked you what number are you willing to risk before you take this current crisis seriously? You have been urging people to disregard restrictions, including breaking the law since this crisis started. So what number do we need before you act?

What law have I been urging people to break?

You really come up with some absolute nonsense, you have massive issues man.

 

[cochise]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You really are talking nonsense now.

This is simple risk management, at the moment it seems you've assessed the risk of dying or getting the flu or spreading the flu and determined that it's at level you're willing to live with.

I'm just asking what level does it have to get to before you no longer become comfortable with it?

Because I find it strange that someone would feel the risk is too high at 113 deaths at a median age 80 yet doesn't know their risk tolerance level for the flu and seems comfortable with 1000+ deaths.

Maybe some food for thought

You already know why the death rate is very low. It’s been explained you you a number of different ways. 113 Covid19 dead is not the risk, the risk is if we do nothing it’s 100s of thousands dead. You know that you are pushing a false agenda. But hey keep to your narrative champ.

So what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

You seem to be ok with the number it's been at for however many years you've been alive, I'm guessing you have been going about your day and not been concerned about dying of the flu.

113 covid deaths and a median age of 80 and people are freaking out and locking themselves inside.

1500 - 3000 flu deaths every year for your entire life and you go about your day not even thinking about it.

These are the FACTS

They are a distortion of the facts

Please point out exactly where I'm distorting

Its a distortion because you don't acknowledge why there has only been 113 deaths, you are using the relative low number of deaths to argue against what has lead to that number. It really is just dumb argument, that show very little intelligence.

I do acknowledge why the number is low.

And i still ask what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

The reason for the low number doesn't make my question a dumb one, it's still a valid question

and I answered your question, and asked you what number are you willing to risk before you take this current crisis seriously? You have been urging people to disregard restrictions, including breaking the law since this crisis started. So what number do we need before you act?

What law have I been urging people to break?

You really come up with some absolute nonsense, you have massive issues man.

lol, that's right you never said you will do what you like and will go to court, you know that by stating that you are encouraging others to do the same. If you are not arguing in this thread for people to develop and follow the same stupid thought you have, then you have been wasting your time with a lot dribble for months on end.

 

[Hangonaminute]

Guys, please stop taking his bait, he has drawn me in before and it is just a futile discussion.

He's debating in bad faith. False equivalence and whataboutism.

100% mate, that is how he rolls and he has dragged me in many times. Honestly I believe he is trolling in this thread.

He is. That's why I won't engage now.

I have found that best, though I find that very difficult to as I really disagree what it is he is posting.

So how many people have to die of the flu per year for you to self quarantine?

If 50k die, is that a big enough number for you?

This is a reasonable question that nobody seems to want to answer, instead you just want to come up with an ad hominem argument.

Mate, I don't have answer for that, but I will tell you I am concerned enough about what we are facing now to still be taking precautions despite the government lifting restrictions.

Let me ask you, how many lives are you willing to risk with your cavalier attitude to what we are facing? The majority of people you are having a go at are making an effort to reduce the impact of this virus, so I would guess the number of deaths they are willing to accept, as you put it, is lower than yours considering the disregard you have shown to limiting the risk to others since this all started.

I'm not "having a go at" anyone, I'm asking a question.

How do you know what I have or haven't done during this whole shit show?
You have no idea, you're assuming

I just find it interesting that you'll isolate yourself etc for a virus where the median age of death is 80 and only 113 people have died yet you don't know what number the death toll would have to get to before you'd voluntarily self isolate to protect yourself and others against it.

Don't you find that odd?

Mate, I can see what has happened overseas, so no I don't find it odd. Just today I saw them putting freezer trucks outside hospitals in Texas to use as morgues, I'm sure the flu is causing that most years. Yeah, mate I'll isolate myself so that 113 doesn't turn into 50 000.

I also never stated anything about what you have done during this crisis, I was speaking of the disgusting attitude you have displayed on here.

What exactly about my attitude do you not like?

Understand that if "you" have a problem with my attitude, that's "YOUR" problem, you can fix that.

Last time I checked, attitude never put people at risk of covid, you seem to imply that I have.

Of course it does, what a dumb post. All it takes is one young kid we have visit here to believe the rubbish you sprout, to stop following advice and we could have the start of a cluster. Attitude effects others and that is what has created the problems we are facing now with this.

Where have I told anyone to stop following advice?

I've said what I'm doing, I'm not trying to get anyone to do the same and I'm not responsible for anybody else.

What you're saying is ridiculous

You have for months been asking why people are locking themselves a way for this? Are you telling me by asking that question or your arguments on here that you are not promoting people to take this less seriously?

Do you know that diffence between the words ASKING and TELLING?

 

[cochise]

Guys, please stop taking his bait, he has drawn me in before and it is just a futile discussion.

He's debating in bad faith. False equivalence and whataboutism.

100% mate, that is how he rolls and he has dragged me in many times. Honestly I believe he is trolling in this thread.

He is. That's why I won't engage now.

I have found that best, though I find that very difficult to as I really disagree what it is he is posting.

So how many people have to die of the flu per year for you to self quarantine?

If 50k die, is that a big enough number for you?

This is a reasonable question that nobody seems to want to answer, instead you just want to come up with an ad hominem argument.

Mate, I don't have answer for that, but I will tell you I am concerned enough about what we are facing now to still be taking precautions despite the government lifting restrictions.

Let me ask you, how many lives are you willing to risk with your cavalier attitude to what we are facing? The majority of people you are having a go at are making an effort to reduce the impact of this virus, so I would guess the number of deaths they are willing to accept, as you put it, is lower than yours considering the disregard you have shown to limiting the risk to others since this all started.

I'm not "having a go at" anyone, I'm asking a question.

How do you know what I have or haven't done during this whole shit show?
You have no idea, you're assuming

I just find it interesting that you'll isolate yourself etc for a virus where the median age of death is 80 and only 113 people have died yet you don't know what number the death toll would have to get to before you'd voluntarily self isolate to protect yourself and others against it.

Don't you find that odd?

Mate, I can see what has happened overseas, so no I don't find it odd. Just today I saw them putting freezer trucks outside hospitals in Texas to use as morgues, I'm sure the flu is causing that most years. Yeah, mate I'll isolate myself so that 113 doesn't turn into 50 000.

I also never stated anything about what you have done during this crisis, I was speaking of the disgusting attitude you have displayed on here.

What exactly about my attitude do you not like?

Understand that if "you" have a problem with my attitude, that's "YOUR" problem, you can fix that.

Last time I checked, attitude never put people at risk of covid, you seem to imply that I have.

Of course it does, what a dumb post. All it takes is one young kid we have visit here to believe the rubbish you sprout, to stop following advice and we could have the start of a cluster. Attitude effects others and that is what has created the problems we are facing now with this.

Where have I told anyone to stop following advice?

I've said what I'm doing, I'm not trying to get anyone to do the same and I'm not responsible for anybody else.

What you're saying is ridiculous

You have for months been asking why people are locking themselves a way for this? Are you telling me by asking that question or your arguments on here that you are not promoting people to take this less seriously?

Do you know that diffence between the words ASKING and TELLING?

So why are you asking?

 

[Hangonaminute]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You really are talking nonsense now.

This is simple risk management, at the moment it seems you've assessed the risk of dying or getting the flu or spreading the flu and determined that it's at level you're willing to live with.

I'm just asking what level does it have to get to before you no longer become comfortable with it?

Because I find it strange that someone would feel the risk is too high at 113 deaths at a median age 80 yet doesn't know their risk tolerance level for the flu and seems comfortable with 1000+ deaths.

Maybe some food for thought

You already know why the death rate is very low. It’s been explained you you a number of different ways. 113 Covid19 dead is not the risk, the risk is if we do nothing it’s 100s of thousands dead. You know that you are pushing a false agenda. But hey keep to your narrative champ.

So what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

You seem to be ok with the number it's been at for however many years you've been alive, I'm guessing you have been going about your day and not been concerned about dying of the flu.

113 covid deaths and a median age of 80 and people are freaking out and locking themselves inside.

1500 - 3000 flu deaths every year for your entire life and you go about your day not even thinking about it.

These are the FACTS

They are a distortion of the facts

Please point out exactly where I'm distorting

Its a distortion because you don't acknowledge why there has only been 113 deaths, you are using the relative low number of deaths to argue against what has lead to that number. It really is just dumb argument, that show very little intelligence.

I do acknowledge why the number is low.

And i still ask what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

The reason for the low number doesn't make my question a dumb one, it's still a valid question

and I answered your question, and asked you what number are you willing to risk before you take this current crisis seriously? You have been urging people to disregard restrictions, including breaking the law since this crisis started. So what number do we need before you act?

What law have I been urging people to break?

You really come up with some absolute nonsense, you have massive issues man.

lol, that's right you never said you will do what you like and will go to court, you know that by stating that you are encouraging others to do the same. If you are not arguing in this thread for people to develop and follow the same stupid thought you have, then you have been wasting your time with a lot dribble for months on end.

If others do the same that is THEIR choice, don't try to blame me for it.
If you read something on the internet and you take action because of it, that's YOUR choice.

Right?

 

[Hangonaminute]

Guys, please stop taking his bait, he has drawn me in before and it is just a futile discussion.

He's debating in bad faith. False equivalence and whataboutism.

100% mate, that is how he rolls and he has dragged me in many times. Honestly I believe he is trolling in this thread.

He is. That's why I won't engage now.

I have found that best, though I find that very difficult to as I really disagree what it is he is posting.

So how many people have to die of the flu per year for you to self quarantine?

If 50k die, is that a big enough number for you?

This is a reasonable question that nobody seems to want to answer, instead you just want to come up with an ad hominem argument.

Mate, I don't have answer for that, but I will tell you I am concerned enough about what we are facing now to still be taking precautions despite the government lifting restrictions.

Let me ask you, how many lives are you willing to risk with your cavalier attitude to what we are facing? The majority of people you are having a go at are making an effort to reduce the impact of this virus, so I would guess the number of deaths they are willing to accept, as you put it, is lower than yours considering the disregard you have shown to limiting the risk to others since this all started.

I'm not "having a go at" anyone, I'm asking a question.

How do you know what I have or haven't done during this whole shit show?
You have no idea, you're assuming

I just find it interesting that you'll isolate yourself etc for a virus where the median age of death is 80 and only 113 people have died yet you don't know what number the death toll would have to get to before you'd voluntarily self isolate to protect yourself and others against it.

Don't you find that odd?

Mate, I can see what has happened overseas, so no I don't find it odd. Just today I saw them putting freezer trucks outside hospitals in Texas to use as morgues, I'm sure the flu is causing that most years. Yeah, mate I'll isolate myself so that 113 doesn't turn into 50 000.

I also never stated anything about what you have done during this crisis, I was speaking of the disgusting attitude you have displayed on here.

What exactly about my attitude do you not like?

Understand that if "you" have a problem with my attitude, that's "YOUR" problem, you can fix that.

Last time I checked, attitude never put people at risk of covid, you seem to imply that I have.

Of course it does, what a dumb post. All it takes is one young kid we have visit here to believe the rubbish you sprout, to stop following advice and we could have the start of a cluster. Attitude effects others and that is what has created the problems we are facing now with this.

Where have I told anyone to stop following advice?

I've said what I'm doing, I'm not trying to get anyone to do the same and I'm not responsible for anybody else.

What you're saying is ridiculous

You have for months been asking why people are locking themselves a way for this? Are you telling me by asking that question or your arguments on here that you are not promoting people to take this less seriously?

Do you know that diffence between the words ASKING and TELLING?

So why are you asking?

You don't seem to understand the difference between the two so why would I bother answering.

 

[cochise]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You really are talking nonsense now.

This is simple risk management, at the moment it seems you've assessed the risk of dying or getting the flu or spreading the flu and determined that it's at level you're willing to live with.

I'm just asking what level does it have to get to before you no longer become comfortable with it?

Because I find it strange that someone would feel the risk is too high at 113 deaths at a median age 80 yet doesn't know their risk tolerance level for the flu and seems comfortable with 1000+ deaths.

Maybe some food for thought

You already know why the death rate is very low. It’s been explained you you a number of different ways. 113 Covid19 dead is not the risk, the risk is if we do nothing it’s 100s of thousands dead. You know that you are pushing a false agenda. But hey keep to your narrative champ.

So what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

You seem to be ok with the number it's been at for however many years you've been alive, I'm guessing you have been going about your day and not been concerned about dying of the flu.

113 covid deaths and a median age of 80 and people are freaking out and locking themselves inside.

1500 - 3000 flu deaths every year for your entire life and you go about your day not even thinking about it.

These are the FACTS

They are a distortion of the facts

Please point out exactly where I'm distorting

Its a distortion because you don't acknowledge why there has only been 113 deaths, you are using the relative low number of deaths to argue against what has lead to that number. It really is just dumb argument, that show very little intelligence.

I do acknowledge why the number is low.

And i still ask what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

The reason for the low number doesn't make my question a dumb one, it's still a valid question

and I answered your question, and asked you what number are you willing to risk before you take this current crisis seriously? You have been urging people to disregard restrictions, including breaking the law since this crisis started. So what number do we need before you act?

What law have I been urging people to break?

You really come up with some absolute nonsense, you have massive issues man.

lol, that's right you never said you will do what you like and will go to court, you know that by stating that you are encouraging others to do the same. If you are not arguing in this thread for people to develop and follow the same stupid thought you have, then you have been wasting your time with a lot dribble for months on end.

If others do the same that is THEIR choice, don't try to blame me for it.
If you read something on the internet and you take action because of it, that's YOUR choice.

Right?

Not always, what if the person reading it is young or impressionable, what if they don't have the comprehension skills or ability to search out other information?

 

[cochise]

Guys, please stop taking his bait, he has drawn me in before and it is just a futile discussion.

He's debating in bad faith. False equivalence and whataboutism.

100% mate, that is how he rolls and he has dragged me in many times. Honestly I believe he is trolling in this thread.

He is. That's why I won't engage now.

I have found that best, though I find that very difficult to as I really disagree what it is he is posting.

So how many people have to die of the flu per year for you to self quarantine?

If 50k die, is that a big enough number for you?

This is a reasonable question that nobody seems to want to answer, instead you just want to come up with an ad hominem argument.

Mate, I don't have answer for that, but I will tell you I am concerned enough about what we are facing now to still be taking precautions despite the government lifting restrictions.

Let me ask you, how many lives are you willing to risk with your cavalier attitude to what we are facing? The majority of people you are having a go at are making an effort to reduce the impact of this virus, so I would guess the number of deaths they are willing to accept, as you put it, is lower than yours considering the disregard you have shown to limiting the risk to others since this all started.

I'm not "having a go at" anyone, I'm asking a question.

How do you know what I have or haven't done during this whole shit show?
You have no idea, you're assuming

I just find it interesting that you'll isolate yourself etc for a virus where the median age of death is 80 and only 113 people have died yet you don't know what number the death toll would have to get to before you'd voluntarily self isolate to protect yourself and others against it.

Don't you find that odd?

Mate, I can see what has happened overseas, so no I don't find it odd. Just today I saw them putting freezer trucks outside hospitals in Texas to use as morgues, I'm sure the flu is causing that most years. Yeah, mate I'll isolate myself so that 113 doesn't turn into 50 000.

I also never stated anything about what you have done during this crisis, I was speaking of the disgusting attitude you have displayed on here.

What exactly about my attitude do you not like?

Understand that if "you" have a problem with my attitude, that's "YOUR" problem, you can fix that.

Last time I checked, attitude never put people at risk of covid, you seem to imply that I have.

Of course it does, what a dumb post. All it takes is one young kid we have visit here to believe the rubbish you sprout, to stop following advice and we could have the start of a cluster. Attitude effects others and that is what has created the problems we are facing now with this.

Where have I told anyone to stop following advice?

I've said what I'm doing, I'm not trying to get anyone to do the same and I'm not responsible for anybody else.

What you're saying is ridiculous

You have for months been asking why people are locking themselves a way for this? Are you telling me by asking that question or your arguments on here that you are not promoting people to take this less seriously?

Do you know that diffence between the words ASKING and TELLING?

So why are you asking?

You don't seem to understand the difference between the two so why would I bother answering.

I understand the difference, I also understand that one can be used to disguise the other.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Guys, please stop taking his bait, he has drawn me in before and it is just a futile discussion.

He's debating in bad faith. False equivalence and whataboutism.

100% mate, that is how he rolls and he has dragged me in many times. Honestly I believe he is trolling in this thread.

He is. That's why I won't engage now.

The reason why you won't engage is because you have no answers

I did have answers. They just weren't what you wanted to hear.

End of conversation.

 

[cochise]

Guys, please stop taking his bait, he has drawn me in before and it is just a futile discussion.

He's debating in bad faith. False equivalence and whataboutism.

100% mate, that is how he rolls and he has dragged me in many times. Honestly I believe he is trolling in this thread.

He is. That's why I won't engage now.

The reason why you won't engage is because you have no answers

I did have answers. They just weren't what you wanted to hear.

End of conversation.

See, I told you I get sucked in

 

[Tiger5150]

Guys, I blocked/ignored him a month ago, you'd be surprised how much better your life is.