Coronavirus Outbreak

[tigger]

From Thursday it will be mandatory for people in Melbourne to wear face masks whenever they leave the house. I'm told this doesn't apply to children under 12.
$200 on the spot fine for failing to wear one.

 

[swag_tiger]

If you read the comments on the Sky News videos on YouTube people are saying this is a way for the government to control us and not listening to what the health officals are saying is what they think we have to do to fight against their control. Apparently this is just a simple Flu to them and the numbers (infections and deaths) are being exaggerated. They also say there's no actual evidence that viruses even exist.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The casualisation of the aged care workforce is now coming home to bite the Fed Govt on the backside. Workers spreading infection through multiple aged care facilities will end up like Newmarch, with another 3 dead in Victoria.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The casualisation of the aged care workforce is now coming home to bite the Fed Govt on the backside. Workers spreading infection through multiple aged care facilities will end up like Newmarch, with another 3 dead in Victoria.

Kill two birds with one stone. Casualise the workforce and kill off a few pensioners so there's less welfare.

LNP wet dream.

 

[Papacito]

If you read the comments on the Sky News videos on YouTube people are saying this is a way for the government to control us and not listening to what the health officals are saying is what they think we have to do to fight against their control. Apparently this is just a simple Flu to them and the numbers (infections and deaths) are being exaggerated. They also say there's no actual evidence that viruses even exist.

These comments never make much sense to me.

All governments are in bed with big business.

The last thing they want is people staying home, not working, not spending money or defaulting on their mortgage.

 

[Harvey]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I don't need to self-isolate because I get vaccinated every year.

As do probably 85% of the forum.

End of story.

I got the flu vaccination for the first time in my life this year because it’s now mandatory at my workplace. I’ve never been sicker and now I can’t even go to work because of the whole COVID thing and these bloody ongoing symptoms! I’m so pissed off, I was as healthy as a horse for years before being made to have this ?

I was the same the first time I had it, i had a cough/cold that I could not get rid of. I would be off work for a couple of days, feel better, go back to work and within a week or 2 I was crook again, it went through the entire winter. Have had to keep getting it due to sick children and (touch wood) never had another problem.

 

[kratos]

Virus is real but the death rate is being inflated in America but im not so sure about here but still not the 3.4% WHO'S model predicted. CDC's actual death rate in America/Canada was 0.2-0.4%, flu is 0.1-0.2% to give you prospective. Mask wont stop you from catching it but might help stop you spreading it to a degree. The particles are too small to be blocked out by a mass. I think Indonesia had a study where 96% of COVID deaths had a vitamin D deficiency. It would also be in line with why black people are dying more because if you have darker skin then more melanin means you dont absorb vitamin D as well. I think the backlash is because people feel they've been lied to....which we kind of have...just a tad feeling of Orwellian about the whole thing

 

[TillLindemann]

Virus is real but the death rate is being inflated in America but im not so sure about here but still not the 3.4% WHO'S model predicted. CDC's actual death rate in America/Canada was 0.2-0.4%, flu is 0.1-0.2% to give you prospective. Mask wont stop you from catching it but might help stop you spreading it to a degree. The particles are too small to be blocked out by a mass. I think Indonesia had a study where 96% of COVID deaths had a vitamin D deficiency. It would also be in line with why black people are dying more because if you have darker skin then more melanin means you dont absorb vitamin D as well. I think the backlash is because people feel they've been lied to....which we kind of have...just a tad feeling of Orwellian about the whole thing

Where do you get a 0.2-0.4% US death rate from? They've had about 142,000 deaths from 3.8 million infections, that's a death rate already of over 3% (and more of those 3.8 million will still die, unfortunately.

And many countries have a far higher death rate than the US.

The death rate is not being inflated. It is far,far deadlier than the flu.

 

[kratos]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
(Unless they've changed it from when I read it last time)

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_V1441Dfmi/?igshid=172qsiuxwux6t
( not sure about other countries but American numbers are false)

 

[mike]

Flutracking graph. Low numbers this year.


 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Virus is real but the death rate is being inflated in America but im not so sure about here but still not the 3.4% WHO'S model predicted. CDC's actual death rate in America/Canada was 0.2-0.4%, flu is 0.1-0.2% to give you prospective. Mask wont stop you from catching it but might help stop you spreading it to a degree. The particles are too small to be blocked out by a mass. I think Indonesia had a study where 96% of COVID deaths had a vitamin D deficiency. It would also be in line with why black people are dying more because if you have darker skin then more melanin means you dont absorb vitamin D as well. I think the backlash is because people feel they've been lied to....which we kind of have...just a tad feeling of Orwellian about the whole thing

Where do you get a 0.2-0.4% US death rate from? They've had about 142,000 deaths from 3.8 million infections, that's a death rate already of over 3% (and more of those 3.8 million will still die, unfortunately.

And many countries have a far higher death rate than the US.

The death rate is not being inflated. It is far,far deadlier than the flu.

They must be counting deaths against the whole population, not those infected. 142k deaths against 330m is 0.4%. 142k deaths against 3.8m infected is 3.73%

 

[TillLindemann]

Virus is real but the death rate is being inflated in America but im not so sure about here but still not the 3.4% WHO'S model predicted. CDC's actual death rate in America/Canada was 0.2-0.4%, flu is 0.1-0.2% to give you prospective. Mask wont stop you from catching it but might help stop you spreading it to a degree. The particles are too small to be blocked out by a mass. I think Indonesia had a study where 96% of COVID deaths had a vitamin D deficiency. It would also be in line with why black people are dying more because if you have darker skin then more melanin means you dont absorb vitamin D as well. I think the backlash is because people feel they've been lied to....which we kind of have...just a tad feeling of Orwellian about the whole thing

Where do you get a 0.2-0.4% US death rate from? They've had about 142,000 deaths from 3.8 million infections, that's a death rate already of over 3% (and more of those 3.8 million will still die, unfortunately.

And many countries have a far higher death rate than the US.

The death rate is not being inflated. It is far,far deadlier than the flu.

They must be counting deaths against the whole population, not those infected. 142k deaths against 330m is 0.4%. 142k deaths against 3.8m infected is 3.73%

Ah, ok that makes sense then thanks. However it is measured it is still far deadlier than the flu, and that's *with* various shutdowns and social distancing. We can only imagine how bad it would have been without them.

 

[mike]

Virus is real but the death rate is being inflated in America but im not so sure about here but still not the 3.4% WHO'S model predicted. CDC's actual death rate in America/Canada was 0.2-0.4%, flu is 0.1-0.2% to give you prospective. Mask wont stop you from catching it but might help stop you spreading it to a degree. The particles are too small to be blocked out by a mass. I think Indonesia had a study where 96% of COVID deaths had a vitamin D deficiency. It would also be in line with why black people are dying more because if you have darker skin then more melanin means you dont absorb vitamin D as well. I think the backlash is because people feel they've been lied to....which we kind of have...just a tad feeling of Orwellian about the whole thing

Where do you get a 0.2-0.4% US death rate from? They've had about 142,000 deaths from 3.8 million infections, that's a death rate already of over 3% (and more of those 3.8 million will still die, unfortunately.

And many countries have a far higher death rate than the US.

The death rate is not being inflated. It is far,far deadlier than the flu.

They must be counting deaths against the whole population, not those infected. 142k deaths against 330m is 0.4%. 142k deaths against 3.8m infected is 3.73%

Ah, ok that makes sense then thanks. However it is measured it is still far deadlier than the flu, and that's *with* various shutdowns and social distancing. We can only imagine how bad it would have been without them.

They are still heading for 1,000,000 dead, it is not in anyway under control over there.

 

[tigger]

Another 275 cases overnight down here in Victoria plus another death. This follows on from 363 cases new cases in the prior 24 hours and 3 more deaths during the weekend. Victoria now has almost 3000 active cases.
And while all that's going on police have found 20 people partying in a short term rental apartment. So they're all going to be fined $1652 each. Somehow I don't feel that's enough. I'd like to see something that would really get their attention. Not jail time, but withdrawal of a privilege. Maybe suspension of a driver's licence for 3 or 6 months would wake a few people up.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Another 275 cases overnight down here in Victoria plus another death. This follows on from 363 cases new cases in the prior 24 hours and 3 more deaths during the weekend. Victoria now has almost 3000 active cases.
And while all that's going on police have found 20 people partying in a short term rental apartment. So they're all going to be fined $1652 each. Somehow I don't feel that's enough. I'd like to see something that would really get their attention. Not jail time, but withdrawal of a privilege. Maybe suspension of a driver's licence for 3 or 6 months would wake a few people up.

Make the fines really punitive. $10K.

 

[Geo]

Another 275 cases overnight down here in Victoria plus another death. This follows on from 363 cases new cases in the prior 24 hours and 3 more deaths during the weekend. Victoria now has almost 3000 active cases.
And while all that's going on police have found 20 people partying in a short term rental apartment. So they're all going to be fined $1652 each. Somehow I don't feel that's enough. I'd like to see something that would really get their attention. Not jail time, but withdrawal of a privilege. Maybe suspension of a driver's licence for 3 or 6 months would wake a few people up.

Make the fines really punitive. $10K.

hangonaminute ...The unjust will take them to court

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Another 275 cases overnight down here in Victoria plus another death. This follows on from 363 cases new cases in the prior 24 hours and 3 more deaths during the weekend. Victoria now has almost 3000 active cases.
And while all that's going on police have found 20 people partying in a short term rental apartment. So they're all going to be fined $1652 each. Somehow I don't feel that's enough. I'd like to see something that would really get their attention. Not jail time, but withdrawal of a privilege. Maybe suspension of a driver's licence for 3 or 6 months would wake a few people up.

Make the fines really punitive. $10K.

hangonaminute ...The unjust will take them to court

Good luck to them. The delusional sovereign citizen idiots can help fund the welfare bill.

 

[happy_tiger]

When I mentioned countries reaching 500 cases a day I didn't think we'd have to worry about 500 cases a year ....... 464 today in Australia today

 

[jadtiger]

When I mentioned countries reaching 500 cases a day I didn't think we'd have to worry about 500 cases a year ....... 464 today in Australia today

Nearly all in melbourne

 

[Tim Sheens]

Terrible numbers as it is community transmission and awaiting further transparency, seems this is not as a direct result of government. Rather it was seeded through actions of individuals within the population, particularly those horny quarantined and the security supposed to be guarding them.

These were adults breaking rules, exposing and endangering the rest of the community, one which is now consistenly losing lives as a result of their greed, so they deserve to pay a suitable price. They should be named and publicly shamed at the inquiry for a start and hit with any penalties and/or charges that are available.

Would be tempted to pick up a whip if public lashings was still a thing.