Coronavirus Outbreak

[mike]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You really are talking nonsense now.

This is simple risk management, at the moment it seems you've assessed the risk of dying or getting the flu or spreading the flu and determined that it's at level you're willing to live with.

I'm just asking what level does it have to get to before you no longer become comfortable with it?

Because I find it strange that someone would feel the risk is too high at 113 deaths at a median age 80 yet doesn't know their risk tolerance level for the flu and seems comfortable with 1000+ deaths.

Maybe some food for thought

You already know why the death rate is very low. It’s been explained you you a number of different ways. 113 Covid19 dead is not the risk, the risk is if we do nothing it’s 100s of thousands dead. You know that you are pushing a false agenda. But hey keep to your narrative champ.

So what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

You seem to be ok with the number it's been at for however many years you've been alive, I'm guessing you have been going about your day and not been concerned about dying of the flu.

113 covid deaths and a median age of 80 and people are freaking out and locking themselves inside.

1500 - 3000 flu deaths every year for your entire life and you go about your day not even thinking about it.

These are the FACTS

You wouldn’t have any idea what facts actually were. Keep up the narrative champ.

 

[Hangonaminute]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You really are talking nonsense now.

This is simple risk management, at the moment it seems you've assessed the risk of dying or getting the flu or spreading the flu and determined that it's at level you're willing to live with.

I'm just asking what level does it have to get to before you no longer become comfortable with it?

Because I find it strange that someone would feel the risk is too high at 113 deaths at a median age 80 yet doesn't know their risk tolerance level for the flu and seems comfortable with 1000+ deaths.

Maybe some food for thought

You already know why the death rate is very low. It’s been explained you you a number of different ways. 113 Covid19 dead is not the risk, the risk is if we do nothing it’s 100s of thousands dead. You know that you are pushing a false agenda. But hey keep to your narrative champ.

So what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

You seem to be ok with the number it's been at for however many years you've been alive, I'm guessing you have been going about your day and not been concerned about dying of the flu.

113 covid deaths and a median age of 80 and people are freaking out and locking themselves inside.

1500 - 3000 flu deaths every year for your entire life and you go about your day not even thinking about it.

These are the FACTS

They are a distortion of the facts

Please point out exactly where I'm distorting

Its a distortion because you don't acknowledge why there has only been 113 deaths, you are using the relative low number of deaths to argue against what has lead to that number. It really is just dumb argument, that show very little intelligence.

I do acknowledge why the number is low.

And i still ask what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

The reason for the low number doesn't make my question a dumb one, it's still a valid question

and I answered your question, and asked you what number are you willing to risk before you take this current crisis seriously? You have been urging people to disregard restrictions, including breaking the law since this crisis started. So what number do we need before you act?

What law have I been urging people to break?

You really come up with some absolute nonsense, you have massive issues man.

lol, that's right you never said you will do what you like and will go to court, you know that by stating that you are encouraging others to do the same. If you are not arguing in this thread for people to develop and follow the same stupid thought you have, then you have been wasting your time with a lot dribble for months on end.

If others do the same that is THEIR choice, don't try to blame me for it.
If you read something on the internet and you take action because of it, that's YOUR choice.

Right?

Not always, what if the person reading it is young or impressionable, what if they don't have the comprehension skills or ability to search out other information?

It's still their choice

 

[Hangonaminute]

Guys, please stop taking his bait, he has drawn me in before and it is just a futile discussion.

He's debating in bad faith. False equivalence and whataboutism.

100% mate, that is how he rolls and he has dragged me in many times. Honestly I believe he is trolling in this thread.

He is. That's why I won't engage now.

I have found that best, though I find that very difficult to as I really disagree what it is he is posting.

So how many people have to die of the flu per year for you to self quarantine?

If 50k die, is that a big enough number for you?

This is a reasonable question that nobody seems to want to answer, instead you just want to come up with an ad hominem argument.

Mate, I don't have answer for that, but I will tell you I am concerned enough about what we are facing now to still be taking precautions despite the government lifting restrictions.

Let me ask you, how many lives are you willing to risk with your cavalier attitude to what we are facing? The majority of people you are having a go at are making an effort to reduce the impact of this virus, so I would guess the number of deaths they are willing to accept, as you put it, is lower than yours considering the disregard you have shown to limiting the risk to others since this all started.

I'm not "having a go at" anyone, I'm asking a question.

How do you know what I have or haven't done during this whole shit show?
You have no idea, you're assuming

I just find it interesting that you'll isolate yourself etc for a virus where the median age of death is 80 and only 113 people have died yet you don't know what number the death toll would have to get to before you'd voluntarily self isolate to protect yourself and others against it.

Don't you find that odd?

Mate, I can see what has happened overseas, so no I don't find it odd. Just today I saw them putting freezer trucks outside hospitals in Texas to use as morgues, I'm sure the flu is causing that most years. Yeah, mate I'll isolate myself so that 113 doesn't turn into 50 000.

I also never stated anything about what you have done during this crisis, I was speaking of the disgusting attitude you have displayed on here.

What exactly about my attitude do you not like?

Understand that if "you" have a problem with my attitude, that's "YOUR" problem, you can fix that.

Last time I checked, attitude never put people at risk of covid, you seem to imply that I have.

Of course it does, what a dumb post. All it takes is one young kid we have visit here to believe the rubbish you sprout, to stop following advice and we could have the start of a cluster. Attitude effects others and that is what has created the problems we are facing now with this.

Where have I told anyone to stop following advice?

I've said what I'm doing, I'm not trying to get anyone to do the same and I'm not responsible for anybody else.

What you're saying is ridiculous

You have for months been asking why people are locking themselves a way for this? Are you telling me by asking that question or your arguments on here that you are not promoting people to take this less seriously?

Do you know that diffence between the words ASKING and TELLING?

So why are you asking?

You don't seem to understand the difference between the two so why would I bother answering.

I understand the difference, I also understand that one can be used to disguise the other.

You demonstrated that you don't

 

[Hangonaminute]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You really are talking nonsense now.

This is simple risk management, at the moment it seems you've assessed the risk of dying or getting the flu or spreading the flu and determined that it's at level you're willing to live with.

I'm just asking what level does it have to get to before you no longer become comfortable with it?

Because I find it strange that someone would feel the risk is too high at 113 deaths at a median age 80 yet doesn't know their risk tolerance level for the flu and seems comfortable with 1000+ deaths.

Maybe some food for thought

You already know why the death rate is very low. It’s been explained you you a number of different ways. 113 Covid19 dead is not the risk, the risk is if we do nothing it’s 100s of thousands dead. You know that you are pushing a false agenda. But hey keep to your narrative champ.

So what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

You seem to be ok with the number it's been at for however many years you've been alive, I'm guessing you have been going about your day and not been concerned about dying of the flu.

113 covid deaths and a median age of 80 and people are freaking out and locking themselves inside.

1500 - 3000 flu deaths every year for your entire life and you go about your day not even thinking about it.

These are the FACTS

You wouldn’t have any idea what facts actually were. Keep up the narrative champ.

And you wouldn't have any idea how to show that my facts are incorrect without resorting an to ad hominem arguments, the sign of someone who has no argument.
But you probably also don't even know what an ad hominem argument is.

 

[Hangonaminute]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You really are talking nonsense now.

This is simple risk management, at the moment it seems you've assessed the risk of dying or getting the flu or spreading the flu and determined that it's at level you're willing to live with.

I'm just asking what level does it have to get to before you no longer become comfortable with it?

Because I find it strange that someone would feel the risk is too high at 113 deaths at a median age 80 yet doesn't know their risk tolerance level for the flu and seems comfortable with 1000+ deaths.

Maybe some food for thought

You already know why the death rate is very low. It’s been explained you you a number of different ways. 113 Covid19 dead is not the risk, the risk is if we do nothing it’s 100s of thousands dead. You know that you are pushing a false agenda. But hey keep to your narrative champ.

So what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

You seem to be ok with the number it's been at for however many years you've been alive, I'm guessing you have been going about your day and not been concerned about dying of the flu.

113 covid deaths and a median age of 80 and people are freaking out and locking themselves inside.

1500 - 3000 flu deaths every year for your entire life and you go about your day not even thinking about it.

These are the FACTS

They are a distortion of the facts

Please point out exactly where I'm distorting

Its a distortion because you don't acknowledge why there has only been 113 deaths, you are using the relative low number of deaths to argue against what has lead to that number. It really is just dumb argument, that show very little intelligence.

I do acknowledge why the number is low.

And i still ask what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

The reason for the low number doesn't make my question a dumb one, it's still a valid question

and I answered your question, and asked you what number are you willing to risk before you take this current crisis seriously? You have been urging people to disregard restrictions, including breaking the law since this crisis started. So what number do we need before you act?

What law have I been urging people to break?

You really come up with some absolute nonsense, you have massive issues man.

lol, that's right you never said you will do what you like and will go to court, you know that by stating that you are encouraging others to do the same. If you are not arguing in this thread for people to develop and follow the same stupid thought you have, then you have been wasting your time with a lot dribble for months on end.

Still waiting for you to tell me this LAW I've been breaking and been apparently telling people to break.

It's probably not a good idea to go around accusing people of breaking laws when....

1. You have no evidence
2. You don't even know what law they apparently broke

A decent human being would apologize, but I won't hold my breath waiting for one

 

[mike]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You really are talking nonsense now.

This is simple risk management, at the moment it seems you've assessed the risk of dying or getting the flu or spreading the flu and determined that it's at level you're willing to live with.

I'm just asking what level does it have to get to before you no longer become comfortable with it?

Because I find it strange that someone would feel the risk is too high at 113 deaths at a median age 80 yet doesn't know their risk tolerance level for the flu and seems comfortable with 1000+ deaths.

Maybe some food for thought

You already know why the death rate is very low. It’s been explained you you a number of different ways. 113 Covid19 dead is not the risk, the risk is if we do nothing it’s 100s of thousands dead. You know that you are pushing a false agenda. But hey keep to your narrative champ.

So what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

You seem to be ok with the number it's been at for however many years you've been alive, I'm guessing you have been going about your day and not been concerned about dying of the flu.

113 covid deaths and a median age of 80 and people are freaking out and locking themselves inside.

1500 - 3000 flu deaths every year for your entire life and you go about your day not even thinking about it.

These are the FACTS

You wouldn’t have any idea what facts actually were. Keep up the narrative champ.

And you wouldn't have any idea how to show that my facts are incorrect without resorting an to ad hominem arguments, the sign of someone who has no argument.
But you probably also don't even know what an ad hominem argument is.

Hey whatever makes you feel better. Keep going champ.

 

[cochise]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You really are talking nonsense now.

This is simple risk management, at the moment it seems you've assessed the risk of dying or getting the flu or spreading the flu and determined that it's at level you're willing to live with.

I'm just asking what level does it have to get to before you no longer become comfortable with it?

Because I find it strange that someone would feel the risk is too high at 113 deaths at a median age 80 yet doesn't know their risk tolerance level for the flu and seems comfortable with 1000+ deaths.

Maybe some food for thought

You already know why the death rate is very low. It’s been explained you you a number of different ways. 113 Covid19 dead is not the risk, the risk is if we do nothing it’s 100s of thousands dead. You know that you are pushing a false agenda. But hey keep to your narrative champ.

So what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

You seem to be ok with the number it's been at for however many years you've been alive, I'm guessing you have been going about your day and not been concerned about dying of the flu.

113 covid deaths and a median age of 80 and people are freaking out and locking themselves inside.

1500 - 3000 flu deaths every year for your entire life and you go about your day not even thinking about it.

These are the FACTS

They are a distortion of the facts

Please point out exactly where I'm distorting

Its a distortion because you don't acknowledge why there has only been 113 deaths, you are using the relative low number of deaths to argue against what has lead to that number. It really is just dumb argument, that show very little intelligence.

I do acknowledge why the number is low.

And i still ask what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

The reason for the low number doesn't make my question a dumb one, it's still a valid question

and I answered your question, and asked you what number are you willing to risk before you take this current crisis seriously? You have been urging people to disregard restrictions, including breaking the law since this crisis started. So what number do we need before you act?

What law have I been urging people to break?

You really come up with some absolute nonsense, you have massive issues man.

lol, that's right you never said you will do what you like and will go to court, you know that by stating that you are encouraging others to do the same. If you are not arguing in this thread for people to develop and follow the same stupid thought you have, then you have been wasting your time with a lot dribble for months on end.

Still waiting for you to tell me this LAW I've been breaking and been apparently telling people to break.

It's probably not a good idea to go around accusing people of breaking laws when....

1. You have no evidence
2. You don't even know what law they apparently broke

A decent human being would apologize, but I won't hold my breath waiting for one

Mate you were the one on here months ago telling people you would be happy to go to court over the physical distancing laws.

 

[cochise]

If they want to fine me, I'll go to court, I'm sure after backlog of hearings due to courts being closed the judge is going to love to hear hundreds of ridiculous "social distancing" fines.

Surely your defence would be that you dont recognise the authority of the police as led but governement puppets of the NWO?

Until you need them of course.

If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.

As I said, if you can go to Bunnings, JBhifi, Kmart etc which are all indoors and stand in much closer proximity than I am when I'm at an open stretch of beach, then the law is unjust if it wants to fine me and not you.
So I'll disobey it, if more people did this we wouldn't live in a nanny country.

Besides, I'm allowed to go to the beach, as I said I'm "excercising"

You just stay inside and listen to your masters and do as you're told, you'll be fine.

You didn't post this?

 

[cochise]

Is there an "in joke" I missed?

About a week ago, old mate a few posts up, bragged how he was going to the beach, saying it was fine, despite beaches not being open. But now they have been opened, so going to the beach for exercise is no different than going to Coles. Which makes me wonder why he was throwing bait out there for something the Governmen gave people permission to do in the last week. He”s obeying the law ?‍♂️

He was always obeying the law, tried big noting himself and claimed everyone was listening to their overloads and the restrictions were an overreaction, that he wouldn't follow their laws. When people called him on it he backed down and said he was following social distancing because he cares about people but everyone else was because of the overlords!

Wrong!

I said I won't follow laws that are unjust.

I also said that I'm not going to stop going to the beach just because of a virus and especially while I'm still allowed to go to Bunnings, BCF, JBhifi, Kmart etc where I'm in closer proximity to people than I am if I'm at the beach.

I also said many times, if they want to fine me for going to the beach (where I'm more distanced) than I am at JBhifi, then that law is unjust and I won't follow it.

But you guys can just do as you're told.

lol, but you are following the same rules as everyone else, you are so brave to stand up to our overlords by not doing anything! You stated many times that the laws were an overreaction!

Did you miss the part where I said I won't follow rules that are unjust?

Or this?

 

[Furious1]

If they want to fine me, I'll go to court, I'm sure after backlog of hearings due to courts being closed the judge is going to love to hear hundreds of ridiculous "social distancing" fines.

Surely your defence would be that you dont recognise the authority of the police as led but governement puppets of the NWO?

Until you need them of course.

If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.

As I said, if you can go to Bunnings, JBhifi, Kmart etc which are all indoors and stand in much closer proximity than I am when I'm at an open stretch of beach, then the law is unjust if it wants to fine me and not you.
So I'll disobey it, if more people did this we wouldn't live in a nanny country.

Besides, I'm allowed to go to the beach, as I said I'm "excercising"

You just stay inside and listen to your masters and do as you're told, you'll be fine.

You didn't post this?

Still getting sucked in i see.

 

[cochise]

If they want to fine me, I'll go to court, I'm sure after backlog of hearings due to courts being closed the judge is going to love to hear hundreds of ridiculous "social distancing" fines.

Surely your defence would be that you dont recognise the authority of the police as led but governement puppets of the NWO?

Until you need them of course.

If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.

As I said, if you can go to Bunnings, JBhifi, Kmart etc which are all indoors and stand in much closer proximity than I am when I'm at an open stretch of beach, then the law is unjust if it wants to fine me and not you.
So I'll disobey it, if more people did this we wouldn't live in a nanny country.

Besides, I'm allowed to go to the beach, as I said I'm "excercising"

You just stay inside and listen to your masters and do as you're told, you'll be fine.

You didn't post this?

Still getting sucked in i see.

Yeah mate, you're right I will end this here.

 

[Hangonaminute]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I have. I’ve told a number of bosses either the guy coughing an wheezing everywhere goes home or I do and I’ll be calling work cover if I do. Very effective.

So what number does the yearly flu death toll have to reach for you to start quarantining yourself?

Your question is irrelevant and you know it. If people are sick near me I let them know what I think and what they should do. Other options are available for Influenza to protect yourself rather than self isolation that are not currently available for Covid19. With Covid19 the only substantive protection currently available is physical distancing.

Even with all the options available to protect yourself from the flu, what number does the death toll have to be at for you to self isolate from it?

10k? 20k? C'mon man, what's your limit?

You really are talking nonsense now.

This is simple risk management, at the moment it seems you've assessed the risk of dying or getting the flu or spreading the flu and determined that it's at level you're willing to live with.

I'm just asking what level does it have to get to before you no longer become comfortable with it?

Because I find it strange that someone would feel the risk is too high at 113 deaths at a median age 80 yet doesn't know their risk tolerance level for the flu and seems comfortable with 1000+ deaths.

Maybe some food for thought

You already know why the death rate is very low. It’s been explained you you a number of different ways. 113 Covid19 dead is not the risk, the risk is if we do nothing it’s 100s of thousands dead. You know that you are pushing a false agenda. But hey keep to your narrative champ.

So what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

You seem to be ok with the number it's been at for however many years you've been alive, I'm guessing you have been going about your day and not been concerned about dying of the flu.

113 covid deaths and a median age of 80 and people are freaking out and locking themselves inside.

1500 - 3000 flu deaths every year for your entire life and you go about your day not even thinking about it.

These are the FACTS

They are a distortion of the facts

Please point out exactly where I'm distorting

Its a distortion because you don't acknowledge why there has only been 113 deaths, you are using the relative low number of deaths to argue against what has lead to that number. It really is just dumb argument, that show very little intelligence.

I do acknowledge why the number is low.

And i still ask what number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to be for you to self isolate?

The reason for the low number doesn't make my question a dumb one, it's still a valid question

and I answered your question, and asked you what number are you willing to risk before you take this current crisis seriously? You have been urging people to disregard restrictions, including breaking the law since this crisis started. So what number do we need before you act?

What law have I been urging people to break?

You really come up with some absolute nonsense, you have massive issues man.

lol, that's right you never said you will do what you like and will go to court, you know that by stating that you are encouraging others to do the same. If you are not arguing in this thread for people to develop and follow the same stupid thought you have, then you have been wasting your time with a lot dribble for months on end.

Still waiting for you to tell me this LAW I've been breaking and been apparently telling people to break.

It's probably not a good idea to go around accusing people of breaking laws when....

1. You have no evidence
2. You don't even know what law they apparently broke

A decent human being would apologize, but I won't hold my breath waiting for one

Mate you were the one on here months ago telling people you would be happy to go to court over the physical distancing laws.

Last time I checked there's no law against going to the beach.
When and who passed this law?

 

[Hangonaminute]

Is there an "in joke" I missed?

About a week ago, old mate a few posts up, bragged how he was going to the beach, saying it was fine, despite beaches not being open. But now they have been opened, so going to the beach for exercise is no different than going to Coles. Which makes me wonder why he was throwing bait out there for something the Governmen gave people permission to do in the last week. He”s obeying the law ?‍♂️

He was always obeying the law, tried big noting himself and claimed everyone was listening to their overloads and the restrictions were an overreaction, that he wouldn't follow their laws. When people called him on it he backed down and said he was following social distancing because he cares about people but everyone else was because of the overlords!

Wrong!

I said I won't follow laws that are unjust.

I also said that I'm not going to stop going to the beach just because of a virus and especially while I'm still allowed to go to Bunnings, BCF, JBhifi, Kmart etc where I'm in closer proximity to people than I am if I'm at the beach.

I also said many times, if they want to fine me for going to the beach (where I'm more distanced) than I am at JBhifi, then that law is unjust and I won't follow it.

But you guys can just do as you're told.

lol, but you are following the same rules as everyone else, you are so brave to stand up to our overlords by not doing anything! You stated many times that the laws were an overreaction!

Did you miss the part where I said I won't follow rules that are unjust?

Or this?

Correct, I won't follow rules that are unjust, why would any person in their right mind?

 

[Hangonaminute]

If they want to fine me, I'll go to court, I'm sure after backlog of hearings due to courts being closed the judge is going to love to hear hundreds of ridiculous "social distancing" fines.

Surely your defence would be that you dont recognise the authority of the police as led but governement puppets of the NWO?

Until you need them of course.

If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.

As I said, if you can go to Bunnings, JBhifi, Kmart etc which are all indoors and stand in much closer proximity than I am when I'm at an open stretch of beach, then the law is unjust if it wants to fine me and not you.
So I'll disobey it, if more people did this we wouldn't live in a nanny country.

Besides, I'm allowed to go to the beach, as I said I'm "excercising"

You just stay inside and listen to your masters and do as you're told, you'll be fine.

You didn't post this?

Yep that's what I said, what's your problem with it?

 

[Guest]

Cut the crap guys or you can have a spell for a week and think about things.

 

[Papacito]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I don't need to self-isolate because I get vaccinated every year.

As do probably 85% of the forum.

End of story.

 

[TillLindemann]

For those of you who follow the global figures closely, where do you get your info?

I look at worldometer mostly which I find quite detailed and easy to use. Johns Hopkins is another source the media use which at times has slightly different figures. And I note the media is reporting more than 7000 deaths on Saturday, this is quite different to what worldometer had for Saturday.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I don't need to self-isolate because I get vaccinated every year.

As do probably 85% of the forum.

End of story.

I got the flu vaccination for the first time in my life this year because it’s now mandatory at my workplace. I’ve never been sicker and now I can’t even go to work because of the whole COVID thing and these bloody ongoing symptoms! I’m so pissed off, I was as healthy as a horse for years before being made to have this ?

 

[Papacito]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I don't need to self-isolate because I get vaccinated every year.

As do probably 85% of the forum.

End of story.

I got the flu vaccination for the first time in my life this year because it’s now mandatory at my workplace. I’ve never been sicker and now I can’t even go to work because of the whole COVID thing and these bloody ongoing symptoms! I’m so pissed off, I was as healthy as a horse for years before being made to have this ?

Sorry to hear it mate. Thankfully I've never had a reaction to it.

Don't want to sound like your mum, but best to get it checked out if you haven't already. Could well be a non-flu virus, particularly if it has been for more than a few days.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

In Australia, influenza on average causes 1,500 to 3,000 deaths a year.
And life goes on as normal.

As of 17th of July 2020 only 113 people have died of covid19 in Australia
The median age of death is 80
And they put us in lockdown.

Something just doesn't make sense here.

How many do you think would have died if we'd just carried on as if it was normal? It's insane to argue this is no worse than the flu.

I don't know, how many?

You seem to be ok with 3000 dying every year from the flu while you carry on with life as usual, so where do you draw the death toll line? 3100? 4000?

How many have to die before you start locking yourself down?

Where did you get 3,000 from?

Official stats from 2019 show between 900-1000 deaths.

2018 was an oddly high year in terms of fatalities, with just over 1,000. Still a far cry from 3,000.

Whether you like it or not, even the very low end estimates show that covid 19 has a far higher fatality rate than influenza a and b.

About 85% of people are vaccinated against a and b, which makes an enormous difference in terms of infections and fatalities.

As we all know, covid-19 has no vaccine, so it could very likely lead to over 100,000 deaths plus an unknown number of secondary deaths as a result of an overwhelmed health system.

I'm not going to argue over who's numbers are accurate.

So let's go with your number of 1000, you seem to be ok with 1000 people dying every year from the flu, you've been going about your day for your entire life without even thinking about it.

So 2 questions

What number does the yearly death toll for the flu have to reach for you to self isolate?

If the government didn't enforce self isolation would you voluntarily do it?
Would you tell your boss "look the numbers are X now so I won't be back until they get under X?"
Be honest

I don't need to self-isolate because I get vaccinated every year.

As do probably 85% of the forum.

End of story.

I got the flu vaccination for the first time in my life this year because it’s now mandatory at my workplace. I’ve never been sicker and now I can’t even go to work because of the whole COVID thing and these bloody ongoing symptoms! I’m so pissed off, I was as healthy as a horse for years before being made to have this ?

Sorry to hear it mate. Thankfully I've never had a reaction to it.

Don't want to sound like your mum, but best to get it checked out if you haven't already. Could well be a non-flu virus, particularly if it has been for more than a few days.

Thanks, yeah it appeared as just a bad head cold a few weeks ago, which virtually ran its course for the whole 2 weeks. I felt fine and recovered so I went back to work this week gone and symptoms returned again on Thursday night! Had COVID test of course, which was negative, but yeah if these symptoms keep coming back I will get it checked out.

I have heaps of sick leave, so days off aren’t a problem, however I’m just in the process of transitioning into a new role and I really need to be onboard for the handover and also to train the new person taking my former position. It’s just a really inconvenient time for me to not be well.

I suppose I can’t directly blame the flu shot for all this, as I did have it back in April and was fine until late June, but I just don’t ever remember my immune system being so low as it is now. Perhaps I’m just getting old ?