Coronavirus Outbreak

[cochise]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


1000% correct although i think that ship has sailed.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is still available to give to the whole world whilst they wait for the vaccine, at almost zero risk.....


Up till this point in time I have basically scrolled through most anti jab type posts.
But now, the more I read about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) the more I like the sound of it @Tiger5150 .
I've had my 1st AZ jab and am not really looking forward to having a 2nd jab...Pfizer maybe, but not AZ.
How do we obtain Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)?

If you survived the first AZ jab there won’t be an issue with the 2nd.

If the Tigers win tomorrow that'll be enough proof for me that I have actually crossed over :grinning: .

We have been getting on lately so maybe there is a chance you have moved on to a better place 😉

Better place... Yes Cochise...my wife and I ignore each other now, so that's allowed me to see things in a different and better way.

If there is an afterlife I don't you and I will end up in the same place.

 

[Tiger5150]

Wow did I stumble upon the politics thread? Or the tin hat thread??

BTW, the clotting that can be attributed to the AZ is not the same as clotting issues that people such as members of my family take blood thinners to deal with.
It's been stated by physicians that if you are on thinners it does not make you more susceptible to clotting... and, it has always been speculated that booster immunization will be required annually for Covid. To deal with variants.
Also has been stated that Covids evolve very slowly and immunizations can be effective to a high percentage for long periods.
I encourage everyone to only take on board the advice that is published by the government health websites or comes directly from the mouths of people involved in these organisations, not social media - which includes this forum.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to my 2nd AZ jab in around a month. Right now I'm off to read about footy somewhere else, be healthy and enjoy the rest of the weekend NRL!

After reading @Tiger5150 really sensible posts re 'signing suggestions etc' yesterday, then reading his posts on this thread, I've re thunk my thinking re Covid... @barra .
I had my 1st AZ jab late May.
On a % scale I reckon my life satisfaction so far would be approx 30% [boohoohoo 😢 I hear you say ].
I'm 74 yoa 😱lder_man: .
I'm just about to purchase a VW Transit 4 Motion to have it converted to a camper van.
Due to Covid I may have to wait 12 months for delivery of my VW.
Until I take delivery I will be living in a tent [Oh boohoohoo 😢 I hear again]
When I eventually take delivery I will be doing a lap of the block, by myself, as my wife isn't interested, so it will be my forever permanent home.
Travelling Ozzzzzzz will be the highlight of my life and I dont want to fall of the perch before I have achieved that.
I currently live in a small town in the Upper Hunter, so not many people, and I dont go into Taree/Forster very often to shop.
My point is>>>I now feel more confident in staying alive by being careful, wearing a mask and hand washing etc. than having my 2nd jab, as it would be just my luck to get a serious side effect from the 2nd vax, and there goes my dream.

Woah woah woah .........

You should NOT be determining your health decisions from somebody on a footy forum. The fact that Ive followed Balmain/Wests Tigers for nearly 50 years should be enough to question my intelligence and reliability.

You are correct that I have posted regularly here raising concerns about the vaccines and spruiking Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective). As I have stated I have a scientific background and put a lot of merit in actual peer reviewed scientific data. I have been pretty active posting stuff here raising questions and I have genuinely been concerned about the suppression of information about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and also the suppression of information about the negative aspects of the vaccines. My concerns about the the basis of the suppression is probably greater than my concerns about the vaccines.

Let me stress again you should not make decisions about the vaccines or your health from me or anyone else on the forum, but since you have raised it, let me tell you what I think because I think it ties in with where you are.

I have made a big deal of the concerns about the vaccine, but if Im honest, it is probably most likely that I will end up getting it, but Im still not sure. The reasons I am hesitant revolves around the toxicity of the spike protein and the fact that the lipid nano particles that house the spike protein migrate throughout the whole body. Why I raise this is that this is more of a concern for younger people than older people. It is MUCH less of a concern for older people (less likely to contribute to clotting and also less of a risk of latency for cancer etc).

Long story short (TLDR) at your age you are actually at less risk of adverse reactions and also since you have already had one shot, the next shot is unlikely to add much to your risk.

DO NOT TAKE ADVICE ON SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS THIS FROM ME OR ANYONE ELSE ON THE FORUM, but I think you should get the second shot.

 

[Tiger5150]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just

What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

 

[the_third]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is

 

[Tiger5150]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


1000% correct although i think that ship has sailed.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is still available to give to the whole world whilst they wait for the vaccine, at almost zero risk.....


Up till this point in time I have basically scrolled through most anti jab type posts.
But now, the more I read about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) the more I like the sound of it @Tiger5150 .
I've had my 1st AZ jab and am not really looking forward to having a 2nd jab...Pfizer maybe, but not AZ.
How do we obtain Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)?

You can find it online. But I wouldnt suggest you do this blindly.

I am talking to my doctor about it a couple of weeks. I suggest you do the same.

 

[Tiger5150]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is

No I dont know what is under 50%. I was completely open about 63% & 85% in my first post.

 

[the_third]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is


No I dont know what is under 50%. I was completely open about 63% & 85% in my first post.

first vaccine doesn't count

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


1000% correct although i think that ship has sailed.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is still available to give to the whole world whilst they wait for the vaccine, at almost zero risk.....


Up till this point in time I have basically scrolled through most anti jab type posts.
But now, the more I read about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) the more I like the sound of it @Tiger5150 .
I've had my 1st AZ jab and am not really looking forward to having a 2nd jab...Pfizer maybe, but not AZ.
How do we obtain Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)?

If you survived the first AZ jab there won’t be an issue with the 2nd.

If the Tigers win tomorrow that'll be enough proof for me that I have actually crossed over :grinning: .

the WT supporters for 30+ years were tested so many times, and developed a special immunity, so they are granted longer and happier life:blush:

 

[Tiger5150]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is


No I dont know what is under 50%. I was completely open about 63% & 85% in my first post.


first vaccine doesn't count

Mate.....firstly, I was completely open and honest in my first post, I specifically said 85% partial and 63% fully.

Secondly, who says it doesnt count. Are you suggesting you have zero immunity after one shot?

Herd immunity for this virus was estimated at 60% (clearly wrong for a variety of important reasons).

 

[BZN]

Wow did I stumble upon the politics thread? Or the tin hat thread??

BTW, the clotting that can be attributed to the AZ is not the same as clotting issues that people such as members of my family take blood thinners to deal with.
It's been stated by physicians that if you are on thinners it does not make you more susceptible to clotting... and, it has always been speculated that booster immunization will be required annually for Covid. To deal with variants.
Also has been stated that Covids evolve very slowly and immunizations can be effective to a high percentage for long periods.
I encourage everyone to only take on board the advice that is published by the government health websites or comes directly from the mouths of people involved in these organisations, not social media - which includes this forum.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to my 2nd AZ jab in around a month. Right now I'm off to read about footy somewhere else, be healthy and enjoy the rest of the weekend NRL!

After reading @Tiger5150 really sensible posts re 'signing suggestions etc' yesterday, then reading his posts on this thread, I've re thunk my thinking re Covid... @barra .
I had my 1st AZ jab late May.
On a % scale I reckon my life satisfaction so far would be approx 30% [boohoohoo 😢 I hear you say ].
I'm 74 yoa 😱lder_man: .
I'm just about to purchase a VW Transit 4 Motion to have it converted to a camper van.
Due to Covid I may have to wait 12 months for delivery of my VW.
Until I take delivery I will be living in a tent [Oh boohoohoo 😢 I hear again]
When I eventually take delivery I will be doing a lap of the block, by myself, as my wife isn't interested, so it will be my forever permanent home.
Travelling Ozzzzzzz will be the highlight of my life and I dont want to fall of the perch before I have achieved that.
I currently live in a small town in the Upper Hunter, so not many people, and I dont go into Taree/Forster very often to shop.
My point is>>>I now feel more confident in staying alive by being careful, wearing a mask and hand washing etc. than having my 2nd jab, as it would be just my luck to get a serious side effect from the 2nd vax, and there goes my dream.


Woah woah woah .........

You should NOT be determining your health decisions from somebody on a footy forum. The fact that Ive followed Balmain/Wests Tigers for nearly 50 years should be enough to question my intelligence and reliability.

You are correct that I have posted regularly here raising concerns about the vaccines and spruiking Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective). As I have stated I have a scientific background and put a lot of merit in actual peer reviewed scientific data. I have been pretty active posting stuff here raising questions and I have genuinely been concerned about the suppression of information about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and also the suppression of information about the negative aspects of the vaccines. My concerns about the the basis of the suppression is probably greater than my concerns about the vaccines.

Let me stress again you should not make decisions about the vaccines or your health from me or anyone else on the forum, but since you have raised it, let me tell you what I think because I think it ties in with where you are.

I have made a big deal of the concerns about the vaccine, but if Im honest, it is probably most likely that I will end up getting it, but Im still not sure. The reasons I am hesitant revolves around the toxicity of the spike protein and the fact that the lipid nano particles that house the spike protein migrate throughout the whole body. Why I raise this is that this is more of a concern for younger people than older people. It is MUCH less of a concern for older people (less likely to contribute to clotting and also less of a risk of latency for cancer etc).

Long story short (TLDR) at your age you are actually at less risk of adverse reactions and also since you have already had one shot, the next shot is unlikely to add much to your risk.

DO NOT TAKE ADVICE ON SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS THIS FROM ME OR ANYONE ELSE ON THE FORUM, but I think you should get the second shot.

Thanks 5150. Another sensible post from you :+1:

 

[BZN]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


1000% correct although i think that ship has sailed.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is still available to give to the whole world whilst they wait for the vaccine, at almost zero risk.....


Up till this point in time I have basically scrolled through most anti jab type posts.
But now, the more I read about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) the more I like the sound of it @Tiger5150 .
I've had my 1st AZ jab and am not really looking forward to having a 2nd jab...Pfizer maybe, but not AZ.
How do we obtain Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)?


You can find it online. But I wouldnt suggest you do this blindly.

I am talking to my doctor about it a couple of weeks. I suggest you do the same.

Cochise and yourself have suggested the same thing.
I had zero side effect from the 1st jab, so as you both suggested I will talk to my Dr. when I am due for my 2nd jab in late Aug.

 

[BZN]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


1000% correct although i think that ship has sailed.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is still available to give to the whole world whilst they wait for the vaccine, at almost zero risk.....


Up till this point in time I have basically scrolled through most anti jab type posts.
But now, the more I read about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) the more I like the sound of it @Tiger5150 .
I've had my 1st AZ jab and am not really looking forward to having a 2nd jab...Pfizer maybe, but not AZ.
How do we obtain Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)?

If you survived the first AZ jab there won’t be an issue with the 2nd.

If the Tigers win tomorrow that'll be enough proof for me that I have actually crossed over :grinning: .

the WT supporters for 30+ years were tested so many times, and developed a special immunity, so they are granted longer and happier life:blush:

:+1: :grinning: :grinning: Words of wisdom IBWT.

 

[the_third]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is


No I dont know what is under 50%. I was completely open about 63% & 85% in my first post.


first vaccine doesn't count


Mate.....firstly, I was completely open and honest in my first post, I specifically said 85% partial and 63% fully.

Secondly, who says it doesnt count. Are you suggesting you have zero immunity after one shot?

Herd immunity for this virus was estimated at 60% (clearly wrong for a variety of important reasons).

NHS quotes 33m of a 66m population for 2 diese. Your stats are wrong.

One shot gives about 66% immunity.

Your stats are wrong mate. So your argument is wrong.

 

[Tiger5150]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is


No I dont know what is under 50%. I was completely open about 63% & 85% in my first post.


first vaccine doesn't count


Mate.....firstly, I was completely open and honest in my first post, I specifically said 85% partial and 63% fully.

Secondly, who says it doesnt count. Are you suggesting you have zero immunity after one shot?

Herd immunity for this virus was estimated at 60% (clearly wrong for a variety of important reasons).

NHS quotes 33m of a 66m population for 2 diese. Your stats are wrong.

One shot gives about 66% immunity.

Your stats are wrong mate. So your argument is wrong.

Mate, first of all.....I didnt make an argument at all. I actually asked a question.

Secondly, my stats are NOT wrong and they come from the UK Govt, you know, the same place as the NHS. You do realise that 66M population includes babies and children that are not appropriate to be vaccinated?

So one shot give 66% immunity, how much does two shots give?

 

[BZN]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


1000% correct although i think that ship has sailed.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is still available to give to the whole world whilst they wait for the vaccine, at almost zero risk.....


Up till this point in time I have basically scrolled through most anti jab type posts.
But now, the more I read about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) the more I like the sound of it @Tiger5150 .
I've had my 1st AZ jab and am not really looking forward to having a 2nd jab...Pfizer maybe, but not AZ.
How do we obtain Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)?

If you survived the first AZ jab there won’t be an issue with the 2nd.

If the Tigers win tomorrow that'll be enough proof for me that I have actually crossed over :grinning: .

We have been getting on lately so maybe there is a chance you have moved on to a better place 😉

Better place... Yes Cochise...my wife and I ignore each other now, so that's allowed me to see things in a different and better way.

If there is an afterlife I don't you and I will end up in the same place.

:question: :question: :question: Ok you've got me Cochise'
Why is that.

 

[the_third]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is


No I dont know what is under 50%. I was completely open about 63% & 85% in my first post.


first vaccine doesn't count


Mate.....firstly, I was completely open and honest in my first post, I specifically said 85% partial and 63% fully.

Secondly, who says it doesnt count. Are you suggesting you have zero immunity after one shot?

Herd immunity for this virus was estimated at 60% (clearly wrong for a variety of important reasons).

NHS quotes 33m of a 66m population for 2 diese. Your stats are wrong.

One shot gives about 66% immunity.

Your stats are wrong mate. So your argument is wrong.


Mate, first of all.....I didnt make an argument at all. I actually asked a question.

Secondly, my stats are NOT wrong and they come from the UK Govt, you know, the same place as the NHS. You do realise that 66M population includes babies and children that are not appropriate to be vaccinated?

So one shot give 66% immunity, how much does two shots give?

Depends on what they get for the % 92/96 or more for a combo. Choose what you want. 92 is AZ. Since you don’t quote any stats sources. Look it up yourself.

Your stats are wrong mate. They do suit your “questions” though.

Post your references mate. It’s sounds tinfoil for 80odd % anywhere I look

Your post doesn’t come across as a genuine question BTW

 

[cochise]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


1000% correct although i think that ship has sailed.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is still available to give to the whole world whilst they wait for the vaccine, at almost zero risk.....


Up till this point in time I have basically scrolled through most anti jab type posts.
But now, the more I read about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) the more I like the sound of it @Tiger5150 .
I've had my 1st AZ jab and am not really looking forward to having a 2nd jab...Pfizer maybe, but not AZ.
How do we obtain Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)?

If you survived the first AZ jab there won’t be an issue with the 2nd.

If the Tigers win tomorrow that'll be enough proof for me that I have actually crossed over :grinning: .

We have been getting on lately so maybe there is a chance you have moved on to a better place 😉

Better place... Yes Cochise...my wife and I ignore each other now, so that's allowed me to see things in a different and better way.

If there is an afterlife I don't you and I will end up in the same place.

:question: :question: :question: Ok you've got me Cochise'
Why is that.

I'm a non believer mate, I'm destined for the basement.

 

[Demps]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


1000% correct although i think that ship has sailed.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is still available to give to the whole world whilst they wait for the vaccine, at almost zero risk.....


Up till this point in time I have basically scrolled through most anti jab type posts.
But now, the more I read about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) the more I like the sound of it @Tiger5150 .
I've had my 1st AZ jab and am not really looking forward to having a 2nd jab...Pfizer maybe, but not AZ.
How do we obtain Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)?

If you survived the first AZ jab there won’t be an issue with the 2nd.

If the Tigers win tomorrow that'll be enough proof for me that I have actually crossed over :grinning: .

We have been getting on lately so maybe there is a chance you have moved on to a better place 😉

Better place... Yes Cochise...my wife and I ignore each other now, so that's allowed me to see things in a different and better way.

If there is an afterlife I don't you and I will end up in the same place.

:question: :question: :question: Ok you've got me Cochise'
Why is that.

I'm a non believer mate, I'm destined for the basement.


 

[Tiger5150]

I cant get over what I just heard Scomo announce.

From a date in the near future, they will no longer track or report COVID case numbers. It will be just like the Flu and they will treat it like the flu.

What the hell? We have 8% fully vaccinated. What the hell has changed?

UK is doing the same as well.
Singapore also.


It actually makes sense there, they 60-70 vax rates and at some stage they do have to go on like normal.

I'll tell you what doesnt make sense. In the UK, they have 85% of the population at least partially vaccinated, 65% fully. 150K vaccinated a day. With 85% vaccinated, they are getting 28K new cases A DAY! 150K over the last week which is up by 72%. 22 deaths per day which is up 11%. Why are all these going up with 85% vaccination.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Now they are announcing that they arent going to record or report case numbers and treat it like the flu. Its almost like the vaccines arent working like they expected and arent keen on proving it?


under 50% - just


What is under 50%?

IF you are talking about vaccinations, the UK Govt site has it at 63% fully (two shots) and 85% partially

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


partial is a poor measure mate, you know that

you also know what under 50% is


No I dont know what is under 50%. I was completely open about 63% & 85% in my first post.


first vaccine doesn't count


Mate.....firstly, I was completely open and honest in my first post, I specifically said 85% partial and 63% fully.

Secondly, who says it doesnt count. Are you suggesting you have zero immunity after one shot?

Herd immunity for this virus was estimated at 60% (clearly wrong for a variety of important reasons).

NHS quotes 33m of a 66m population for 2 diese. Your stats are wrong.

One shot gives about 66% immunity.

Your stats are wrong mate. So your argument is wrong.


Mate, first of all.....I didnt make an argument at all. I actually asked a question.

Secondly, my stats are NOT wrong and they come from the UK Govt, you know, the same place as the NHS. You do realise that 66M population includes babies and children that are not appropriate to be vaccinated?

So one shot give 66% immunity, how much does two shots give?

Depends on what they get for the % 92/96 or more for a combo. Choose what you want. 92 is AZ. Since you don’t quote any stats sources. Look it up yourself.

Your stats are wrong mate. They do suit your “questions” though.

Post your references mate. It’s sounds tinfoil for 80odd % anywhere I look

Your post doesn’t come across as a genuine question BTW

Third, I genuinely try to be gracious in these threads and take people on good faith because I understand that many people have strong opinions one way and the other and I also understand and acknowledge that on these subject people can post spurious data and some people have a kneejerk reaction to oppose them.

I am done being gracious with you. Your implications that I am making up stats to "suit my questions", your statement that my assertations are "tinfoil" and telling me I'm not genuine, disqualify me being gracious with you and I will no longer take you on good faith.

Since I posted the question about how the hell the UK daily case rates, daily deaths and hospitalisations continue to skyrocket with such high vaccination rates, ***I HAVE POSTED THE SOURCE OF THE DATA TWICE!!!!!!*** Here you go for the third time.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

They are the UK Govt offical data, the same as the NHS.

Now if I had any respect for your capacity to engage in an intellectual discussion in good faith based on truth and data, I would ask you the question of how a population with 85% of the adult population with 66% immunity and 63% with 92% immunity has over 27000 daily new cases (up 74%) from last week, has 27 deaths a day at the moment (up 11% but will lag by at least 24 days) and 300 hospitalisations a day in apopulation less than 3 times Aus?

But I dont have any respect for you, so go scream at windmills with what ever it is you are imagining and leave the converation for the adults.

 

[BZN]

The longer the vaccine roll out takes ...the worst the virus can mutate into ......


1000% correct although i think that ship has sailed.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is still available to give to the whole world whilst they wait for the vaccine, at almost zero risk.....


Up till this point in time I have basically scrolled through most anti jab type posts.
But now, the more I read about Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) the more I like the sound of it @Tiger5150 .
I've had my 1st AZ jab and am not really looking forward to having a 2nd jab...Pfizer maybe, but not AZ.
How do we obtain Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)?

If you survived the first AZ jab there won’t be an issue with the 2nd.

If the Tigers win tomorrow that'll be enough proof for me that I have actually crossed over :grinning: .

We have been getting on lately so maybe there is a chance you have moved on to a better place 😉

Better place... Yes Cochise...my wife and I ignore each other now, so that's allowed me to see things in a different and better way.

If there is an afterlife I don't you and I will end up in the same place.

:question: :question: :question: Ok you've got me Cochise'
Why is that.

I'm a non believer mate, I'm destined for the basement.

In my new improved version of the Bible Cochise, I'm sure it said Yuh just gotta be a good person to get to the other side of The Pearly Gates.
And from what I know of you Cochise...You'll have no problem at all getting in.
In saying that, I doubt You or I will get one of the executive suites though :smirk: :grinning: .