Coronavirus Outbreak

[Cultured_Bogan]

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is a terrible person but he tried to accomplish what he said he would in his campaign. at the very start i said ignore what your feelings are for him and see that he was a better leader than the mob we have suffered through since howard

You've used a terrible example.

I'm going to explain it to you again. I am not a tribal voter. I believe in calm, constructive rational decision making. I don't believe that loud stupid people are good leaders.

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon to me is the worst leader I have ever seen. I have no personal feelings about him. I judge him on his performance.

I also think your premise is wrong.

Check out Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's ranking as President.

1- Lincoln
2- Washington
3-Franklin D. Roosevelt
......
10-Barack Obama
......
......
41-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon
42-Franklin Pierce
43-Andrew Johnson
44-James Buchanan (last)

yeh but thats cause he was a moron, my point is he had a mindset for the country; bring manufacturing back, mexican wall, reduce reliance on china rah rah rah, and made moves to achieve that.
you don't get people like that as a leader here in aus, where they have a belief and regardless of how many parties it upsets sticks with it.
the bloke is a moron, the people who voted for him are morons, the people who rioted cause the election was stolen are morons, but the way he said this is what we are doing, and then went about it to me easily makes him better than the mob we have endured for the last 10 years who just get rotated. back to the original post, whether they are labor or liberal they stand for the same thing now; if not in power say anything and everything to get in power and when in power do as little as possible to rock the ship

back on track to covid; scomo sitting on his hands and passing the buck for the poor vaccine supply side of the roll out just exemplifies the point. if we had someone who said no vaccine lock down only until the virus dies out naturally and does it, sweet! if we had someone who said build quarantine stations, build 3 different vaccine manufacturing plants to facilitate the roll out and offer people the choice and then funded and built those, sweet! even better if it goes bad and they say "you know what, i stuffed up and this is how we will get through it" all we get is guys and gals just rolling with it counting down the days until that lifetime benefit kicks in, disappears for a week when half the country is in lockdown, on holidays when the country is burning etc.

because some people take things literally, I'm not saying no vaccine is the way to go, I'm pro vaccines, haven't had a covid shot yet, awaiting novavax. but the lack of a backbone from Scomo annoys the hell out of me, we had multiple opportunities to set Aus up for a better response and he has sat back time and time again.

Politics thread please.

 

[mike]

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is a terrible person but he tried to accomplish what he said he would in his campaign. at the very start i said ignore what your feelings are for him and see that he was a better leader than the mob we have suffered through since howard

You've used a terrible example.

I'm going to explain it to you again. I am not a tribal voter. I believe in calm, constructive rational decision making. I don't believe that loud stupid people are good leaders.

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon to me is the worst leader I have ever seen. I have no personal feelings about him. I judge him on his performance.

I also think your premise is wrong.

Check out Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's ranking as President.

1- Lincoln
2- Washington
3-Franklin D. Roosevelt
......
10-Barack Obama
......
......
41-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon
42-Franklin Pierce
43-Andrew Johnson
44-James Buchanan (last)

yeh but thats cause he was a moron, my point is he had a mindset for the country; bring manufacturing back, mexican wall, reduce reliance on china rah rah rah, and made moves to achieve that.
you don't get people like that as a leader here in aus, where they have a belief and regardless of how many parties it upsets sticks with it.
the bloke is a moron, the people who voted for him are morons, the people who rioted cause the election was stolen are morons, but the way he said this is what we are doing, and then went about it to me easily makes him better than the mob we have endured for the last 10 years who just get rotated. back to the original post, whether they are labor or liberal they stand for the same thing now; if not in power say anything and everything to get in power and when in power do as little as possible to rock the ship

back on track to covid; scomo sitting on his hands and passing the buck for the poor vaccine supply side of the roll out just exemplifies the point. if we had someone who said no vaccine lock down only until the virus dies out naturally and does it, sweet! if we had someone who said build quarantine stations, build 3 different vaccine manufacturing plants to facilitate the roll out and offer people the choice and then funded and built those, sweet! even better if it goes bad and they say "you know what, i stuffed up and this is how we will get through it" all we get is guys and gals just rolling with it counting down the days until that lifetime benefit kicks in, disappears for a week when half the country is in lockdown, on holidays when the country is burning etc.

because some people take things literally, I'm not saying no vaccine is the way to go, I'm pro vaccines, haven't had a covid shot yet, awaiting novavax. but the lack of a backbone from Scomo annoys the hell out of me, we had multiple opportunities to set Aus up for a better response and he has sat back time and time again.

Scomo did 1 great thing early on and that was calling it a Pandemic at least 1 to 2 weeks before anyone else did world wide. That allowed processes to be put into place, such as closing Australia's borders etc, that to date saved us from the worst of the Pandemic. Unfortunately in terms of leadership and dealing with the actual pandemic itself, it's been all down hill from there. Basically washing his hands of quarantine (which is clearly a Federal responsibility), leaving it to the States to do their own thing, and the vaccine roll-out, again leaving it up to the States to get the job done.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I wonder if there might be more to this story. I don't mean to be tasteless in speculating on a recent death, but the family only just got positive results the other day, seems very fast for a death compared to typical covid deaths, and she was only in her 50s too.

She may not have realised how sick she was or 'didn't want to make a fuss'. 🙁

I can recall reading a (chilling) article from a NYC paramedic very early into the pandemic - just into their 'first wave'. Lots of people around that age bracket dropped dead suddenly at home due to cardiac arrest within a few days of contracting the virus.

Extremely low (near zero) chances of surviving that (cardiac arrest) outside a hospital unless you're next to a defibrillator and have someone there able to use it, and even then poor outcomes can be expected.

Terrible situation all round, and sympathies to the young blokes (yes I acknowledge they did the wrong thing) who've lost their mum unexpectedly.

Now Orange, Blayney and Cabonne are going into lockdown as from midnight.
I just wonder how long before Bathurst follows as an infected truck driver stopped at BP in Raglan (just on the Sydney side of Bathurst).


But but but Gladys is GOLD standard just ask the "liar from the shire".Sooner or later his lies/ misdirections will be exposed on all his failings,the Glasgow conferance on climate change later this year could expose this charlatan completely though i have no doubt his owners in the Murdoch media will cover his rear end as well they can.it will be interesting to see how the fact that we as a nation pay more taxes and tariffs to export to rest of the world than anybody else will be painted by him and his backers(reason is lack of action on climate change).
Mods please feel free to transfer this to the politics thread where it belongs.

Each way Albo says hello same mistakes as Bill shorten try to back both sides all the time.
Thank God Labor are not in charge during this pandemic thank you voters

I don't believe this at all. Scomo hasn't done well at all. I think Gladys has been a star. It's not a political side that is the concern but how competent they are.

Morrison does not control the states with border closures etc NSW has done all the heavy lifting with returned travellers etc.
Though job keeper a good initiative from Feds and roll-out will pick up

Let's not try to rewrite history here, as our federal government decided on two major things at the start of this pandemic, the first was they closed travel from China and then they intended to let it rip. Upon reality awakening them, they decided that everyone would go onto Newstart.

The federal government **did not want job keeper at all** , rather it was an initiative more from the ACTU and Greg Combet who was called in had a major hand in creating policy, including Jobkeeper.

Basically they wanted people to live way below the poverty line until the political wipeout alarms were ringing and suck the life out of superannuation.

It would have been an even bigger disaster than their vaccine acquisition and rollout.

 

[cochise]

LOCK AUSTRALIA DOWN. Forget about the vaccinations and wait until we have a safe and approved vaccination until we consider reopening the country. The government pushing this lab rat vaccination agenda is an absolute disgrace.

Back to reality.

1. You can't shut the country down completely.
2. We vaccinate. We let it rip. People will die but it will save the vast majority of people. The ones who choose not to vaccinate will suffer from this much more than they need too but that is the cost of letting people make their own decisions.

It would have been good to have some special quarantine facility but the reality is we've kept it until control up until the home run and it's only the delta strain that is really giving it to us. I think by Christmas we will probably be in the let it rip phase.

Unfortunately, it’s this mentality of what reality should be is what I shake my head at. You’re literally saying you’re accepting people to die from this when it doesn’t have to be that way at all.

It actually does. You don't have a choice. Do we stop everyone from talking to each other to stop people dying from the flu ? Do we still drive cars ? Do we still fly in planes ?

Reality. You can't avoid it. People die. It sucks.

Get vaccinated. Don't eat too much meat and junk food. Exercise. Don't smoke. Put the odds in your favor.

That is all you get in this life.

“You don’t have a choice” We all have choices and a voice. People flock to much around an accepted version of what reality is. Look at the protesting overseas, people have had enough of their “reality”

The fact is though, Australia can stay safe from this virus for years if we have to. Simply by closing our borders and only reopening them once there is a safe and approved vaccine.

We’re basically doing it now, but just a band aid version.

There is no way we could stay locked down for years. It would be a disaster. You also didn't state what we should do about the flu and poor diet and smoking and cars and planes and millions of other things.

It isn’t a disaster already? What you see in the UK, India, US, etc isn’t a disaster? Australia will be no different if we keep the current path. A vaccine with side affects isn’t the answer either.

I didn’t mention anything about what else you said because it was just stupid and nothing to do with what we’re discussing.

Just answer me this? Is Australia impacted more by closing the international border permanently until there’s an approved and safe vaccine, which secured the safety of the majority or by vaccinating as many who choose and letting the virus in completely or living with a lockdown style nation for the next few decades?

That’s the 2 options I see Australia living with?

***Every*** medicine comes with side effects. Contraceptive pills have a risk of stroke. Warfarin can cause liver problems, Sotalol increases your LDL cholesterol. Got a headache? Don't take paracetemol, they can cause liver complications and create bleed risks. Everyday people take medication without questioning the risks of it.

The flu vaccination has side effects. Tetanus shots, triple antigen boosters, whooping cough vaccines. Why is it all of a sudden a problem with the COVID vaccines? The medical experts are all still saying get vaccinated. There is obviously overwhelming evidence to support that being vaccinated is overwhelmingly better than contracting COVID without any immunity, especially now that the virus has mutated to the point where it is no longer just picking off the infirm and elderly. It's making younger people sick. They are ending up in the ICU.

The general scientific consensus is that the vaccines are safe. We have someone on this forum whose specialty is in drug analysis and they are saying there's nothing to indicate that the vaccines are any more dangerous than any other vaccine.

Well said mate

 

[innsaneink]

110 cases and 43 infectious in community

 

[earl]

I remember reading a study a while back that showed correlation between men who take fish oil supplements and the increased risk of prostate cancer. I want to say it was something like 60% increase in risk, but I'd have to find the study again to confirm.

That's not even medication, it's a health supplement and it could be causing harm to people.

In all seriousness it's snake oil. It's been sold as being healthy but it's not.

 

[nuggetron]

110 cases and 43 infectious in community

it will be over 100 again tomorrow
i still see tradies carpooling without masks; just this morning 2 blokes jumped in a car with a third driver, with their mini eskies and no face masks in the bankstown hot spot

 

[earl]

110 cases and 43 infectious in community

It's bad right. Unless something changes drastically we are going to be in lock downs until we reach some critical vaccination level.

 

[earl]

Basically they wanted people to live way below the poverty line until the political wipeout alarms were ringing and suck the life out of superannuation.
It would have been an even bigger disaster than their vaccine acquisition and rollout

My take is the job keeper is stupid. If the dole isn't enough for people increase it.

 

[cochise]

Basically they wanted people to live way below the poverty line until the political wipeout alarms were ringing and suck the life out of superannuation.
It would have been an even bigger disaster than their vaccine acquisition and rollout

My take is the job keeper is stupid. If the dole isn't enough for people increase it.

The benefit with Job Keeper was that it kept workers connected to their employer.

 

[nuggetron]

Basically they wanted people to live way below the poverty line until the political wipeout alarms were ringing and suck the life out of superannuation.
It would have been an even bigger disaster than their vaccine acquisition and rollout

My take is the job keeper is stupid. If the dole isn't enough for people increase it.

the problem is the people have home loans and lifestyles beyond the dole because they were never expecting to live off it, they have a life that was relying on an income of whatever they were making, be in 60k or 100k or more. they suddenly lose that income, get thrown the dole of 300 bucks a week. wouldn't even be enough to cover some peoples mortgage repayments or rent
you increase the dole to facilitate the people who use to make 60k+ then nobody will want to work unless they are making significantly more, and the dole is the easiest handout to rort, tick the boxes for applying for jobs go in there and just say exactly what they don't want to hear

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I wonder if there might be more to this story. I don't mean to be tasteless in speculating on a recent death, but the family only just got positive results the other day, seems very fast for a death compared to typical covid deaths, and she was only in her 50s too.

She may not have realised how sick she was or 'didn't want to make a fuss'. 🙁

I can recall reading a (chilling) article from a NYC paramedic very early into the pandemic - just into their 'first wave'. Lots of people around that age bracket dropped dead suddenly at home due to cardiac arrest within a few days of contracting the virus.

Extremely low (near zero) chances of surviving that (cardiac arrest) outside a hospital unless you're next to a defibrillator and have someone there able to use it, and even then poor outcomes can be expected.

Terrible situation all round, and sympathies to the young blokes (yes I acknowledge they did the wrong thing) who've lost their mum unexpectedly.

Now Orange, Blayney and Cabonne are going into lockdown as from midnight.
I just wonder how long before Bathurst follows as an infected truck driver stopped at BP in Raglan (just on the Sydney side of Bathurst).


But but but Gladys is GOLD standard just ask the "liar from the shire".Sooner or later his lies/ misdirections will be exposed on all his failings,the Glasgow conferance on climate change later this year could expose this charlatan completely though i have no doubt his owners in the Murdoch media will cover his rear end as well they can.it will be interesting to see how the fact that we as a nation pay more taxes and tariffs to export to rest of the world than anybody else will be painted by him and his backers(reason is lack of action on climate change).
Mods please feel free to transfer this to the politics thread where it belongs.

Each way Albo says hello same mistakes as Bill shorten try to back both sides all the time.
Thank God Labor are not in charge during this pandemic thank you voters

I don't believe this at all. Scomo hasn't done well at all. I think Gladys has been a star. It's not a political side that is the concern but how competent they are.

Morrison does not control the states with border closures etc NSW has done all the heavy lifting with returned travellers etc.
Though job keeper a good initiative from Feds and roll-out will pick up

Let's not try to rewrite history here, as our federal government decided on two major things at the start of this pandemic, the first was they closed travel from China and then they intended to let it rip. Upon reality awakening them, they decided that everyone would go onto Newstart.

The federal government **did not want job keeper at all** , rather it was an initiative more from the ACTU and Greg Combet who was called in had a major hand in creating policy, including Jobkeeper.

Basically they wanted people to live way below the poverty line until the political wipeout alarms were ringing and suck the life out of superannuation.

It would have been an even bigger disaster than their vaccine acquisition and rollout.

ok mate
I have never seen you ever support the coalition on anything so keep supporting Labor

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I wonder if there might be more to this story. I don't mean to be tasteless in speculating on a recent death, but the family only just got positive results the other day, seems very fast for a death compared to typical covid deaths, and she was only in her 50s too.

She may not have realised how sick she was or 'didn't want to make a fuss'. 🙁

I can recall reading a (chilling) article from a NYC paramedic very early into the pandemic - just into their 'first wave'. Lots of people around that age bracket dropped dead suddenly at home due to cardiac arrest within a few days of contracting the virus.

Extremely low (near zero) chances of surviving that (cardiac arrest) outside a hospital unless you're next to a defibrillator and have someone there able to use it, and even then poor outcomes can be expected.

Terrible situation all round, and sympathies to the young blokes (yes I acknowledge they did the wrong thing) who've lost their mum unexpectedly.

Now Orange, Blayney and Cabonne are going into lockdown as from midnight.
I just wonder how long before Bathurst follows as an infected truck driver stopped at BP in Raglan (just on the Sydney side of Bathurst).


But but but Gladys is GOLD standard just ask the "liar from the shire".Sooner or later his lies/ misdirections will be exposed on all his failings,the Glasgow conferance on climate change later this year could expose this charlatan completely though i have no doubt his owners in the Murdoch media will cover his rear end as well they can.it will be interesting to see how the fact that we as a nation pay more taxes and tariffs to export to rest of the world than anybody else will be painted by him and his backers(reason is lack of action on climate change).
Mods please feel free to transfer this to the politics thread where it belongs.

Each way Albo says hello same mistakes as Bill shorten try to back both sides all the time.
Thank God Labor are not in charge during this pandemic thank you voters

I don't believe this at all. Scomo hasn't done well at all. I think Gladys has been a star. It's not a political side that is the concern but how competent they are.

Morrison does not control the states with border closures etc NSW has done all the heavy lifting with returned travellers etc.
Though job keeper a good initiative from Feds and roll-out will pick up

Let's not try to rewrite history here, as our federal government decided on two major things at the start of this pandemic, the first was they closed travel from China and then they intended to let it rip. Upon reality awakening them, they decided that everyone would go onto Newstart.

The federal government **did not want job keeper at all** , rather it was an initiative more from the ACTU and Greg Combet who was called in had a major hand in creating policy, including Jobkeeper.

Basically they wanted people to live way below the poverty line until the political wipeout alarms were ringing and suck the life out of superannuation.

It would have been an even bigger disaster than their vaccine acquisition and rollout.

so Labor did all the good things... got it

 

[Tim Sheens]

disregard what he said and stood for, he wasn’t just another name/face running a country

He was a fool. Incompetent, corrupt and scum. I had no opinion on him at all until he screwed everything up.

Your logic to me is so wrong. All I'm hearing is that it doesn't matter if you are incompetent and millions die and the world goes to hell. All that matters is if you are a loud ignorant fool.

Sorry mate that doesn't cut it with me.

I want calm, rational, logical competent politicians who run the country well. I'd prefer them to be quiet and not to have to listen to them.

If I want drama or action I watch the footy and TV shows.

so you're happy with the PMs rolling over every few years, lasting long enough to get their life time pension, rather than have one who has a vision for the country, sticks to their sales pitch that got them the gig and sees it through.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is a terrible person but he tried to accomplish what he said he would in his campaign. at the very start i said ignore what your feelings are for him and see that he was a better leader than the mob we have suffered through since howard.
i'm not here to convert you into a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon lover, just to recognise that a PM needs to be a leader and we haven't had one is ages on either side, both will promise you the voters whatever it takes to get the numbers rather than having a vision for a future and sticking to that even if it upsets a group of people

To keep this somewhat relevant to the topic, a person leading an advanced country suffering so many unnecessary covid deaths is an abject failure and even though he must have done some good with the vaccines, he later failed to lead there as well and the number of his supporters that are vaccine hesitant clearly speaks to that.

But wow, really? What did Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon accomplish apart from building a fence of nepotism, dividing the country whilst making it insular, tax cuts to the wealthy. Remember that health plan that was continually announced with no substance as manufacturing declined and farmers getting handouts.

Apart from GST and gun control, the legacy from the Howard years were the ongoing disaster in Iraq along with ISIS and a structural deficit like that of Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon.

Then you complain about the Gillard government that in minority created the framework for the NDIS, brought in educational change and passed major climate policy amongst by far the most legislative change of any government in living memory for most.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I wonder if there might be more to this story. I don't mean to be tasteless in speculating on a recent death, but the family only just got positive results the other day, seems very fast for a death compared to typical covid deaths, and she was only in her 50s too.

She may not have realised how sick she was or 'didn't want to make a fuss'. 🙁

I can recall reading a (chilling) article from a NYC paramedic very early into the pandemic - just into their 'first wave'. Lots of people around that age bracket dropped dead suddenly at home due to cardiac arrest within a few days of contracting the virus.

Extremely low (near zero) chances of surviving that (cardiac arrest) outside a hospital unless you're next to a defibrillator and have someone there able to use it, and even then poor outcomes can be expected.

Terrible situation all round, and sympathies to the young blokes (yes I acknowledge they did the wrong thing) who've lost their mum unexpectedly.

Now Orange, Blayney and Cabonne are going into lockdown as from midnight.
I just wonder how long before Bathurst follows as an infected truck driver stopped at BP in Raglan (just on the Sydney side of Bathurst).


But but but Gladys is GOLD standard just ask the "liar from the shire".Sooner or later his lies/ misdirections will be exposed on all his failings,the Glasgow conferance on climate change later this year could expose this charlatan completely though i have no doubt his owners in the Murdoch media will cover his rear end as well they can.it will be interesting to see how the fact that we as a nation pay more taxes and tariffs to export to rest of the world than anybody else will be painted by him and his backers(reason is lack of action on climate change).
Mods please feel free to transfer this to the politics thread where it belongs.

Each way Albo says hello same mistakes as Bill shorten try to back both sides all the time.
Thank God Labor are not in charge during this pandemic thank you voters

I don't believe this at all. Scomo hasn't done well at all. I think Gladys has been a star. It's not a political side that is the concern but how competent they are.

Morrison does not control the states with border closures etc NSW has done all the heavy lifting with returned travellers etc.
Though job keeper a good initiative from Feds and roll-out will pick up

Let's not try to rewrite history here, as our federal government decided on two major things at the start of this pandemic, the first was they closed travel from China and then they intended to let it rip. Upon reality awakening them, they decided that everyone would go onto Newstart.

The federal government **did not want job keeper at all** , rather it was an initiative more from the ACTU and Greg Combet who was called in had a major hand in creating policy, including Jobkeeper.

Basically they wanted people to live way below the poverty line until the political wipeout alarms were ringing and suck the life out of superannuation.

It would have been an even bigger disaster than their vaccine acquisition and rollout.

so Labor did all the good things... got it

Pretty well, yes. They had voiced similar as their policy and made recommendations to the government of the day. They then voted to pass such with amendments and did not block that which they did not totally support, but knew contained parts that would benefit.

I have always commended any government for good policy and you will find such in this thread relating to the current Sydney lockdown.

Edit; By the way, not my downvote above either as I have not done so for a long time.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Basically they wanted people to live way below the poverty line until the political wipeout alarms were ringing and suck the life out of superannuation.
It would have been an even bigger disaster than their vaccine acquisition and rollout

My take is the job keeper is stupid. If the dole isn't enough for people increase it.

JobKeeper had to be elevated to some reasonable level because people earning much higher than the dole were suddenly made jobless.

The dole could probably be made a little higher, however the intent is not to be on it for long periods of time. As others have already pointed out the dole would not cover someone's mortgage or rent, let alone food, utilities, car repayments, other associated bills etc. The JobKeeper allowance had to be higher to ensure that the bare minimum in food and living arrangements could at least be met. The dole is a safety net, JobKeeper is a disaster payment. They are not comparable IMO.

 

[old_man_tiger]

It's a shame that so many people are having trouble facing reality.

It is hard for all of us right now, especially us "sheep" who do the right thing to try and keep our fellow citizens safe, even the misguided ones who freely create their own definitions so they can create straw men.

To the sceptics here, who think they have outsmarted 95% of the world despite having 0 qualifications, no prior experience and largely constructing arguments based on drivel from the web:

Fear is driving you to avoid reality. I hope you realise that before your "opinion" kills you or a loved one. Roll up your sleeve, get a jab, move on.

Any other interaction with you is a waste of everyone's time. It is hard, the rest of us have accepted that no options are ideal. Stop looking for a magical fantasy theory. This isn't lotto, there is no prize for being 1 in a million, only a coffin or urn for you or someone who has the bad luck to know you.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I wonder if there might be more to this story. I don't mean to be tasteless in speculating on a recent death, but the family only just got positive results the other day, seems very fast for a death compared to typical covid deaths, and she was only in her 50s too.

She may not have realised how sick she was or 'didn't want to make a fuss'. 🙁

I can recall reading a (chilling) article from a NYC paramedic very early into the pandemic - just into their 'first wave'. Lots of people around that age bracket dropped dead suddenly at home due to cardiac arrest within a few days of contracting the virus.

Extremely low (near zero) chances of surviving that (cardiac arrest) outside a hospital unless you're next to a defibrillator and have someone there able to use it, and even then poor outcomes can be expected.

Terrible situation all round, and sympathies to the young blokes (yes I acknowledge they did the wrong thing) who've lost their mum unexpectedly.

Now Orange, Blayney and Cabonne are going into lockdown as from midnight.
I just wonder how long before Bathurst follows as an infected truck driver stopped at BP in Raglan (just on the Sydney side of Bathurst).


But but but Gladys is GOLD standard just ask the "liar from the shire".Sooner or later his lies/ misdirections will be exposed on all his failings,the Glasgow conferance on climate change later this year could expose this charlatan completely though i have no doubt his owners in the Murdoch media will cover his rear end as well they can.it will be interesting to see how the fact that we as a nation pay more taxes and tariffs to export to rest of the world than anybody else will be painted by him and his backers(reason is lack of action on climate change).
Mods please feel free to transfer this to the politics thread where it belongs.

Each way Albo says hello same mistakes as Bill shorten try to back both sides all the time.
Thank God Labor are not in charge during this pandemic thank you voters

I don't believe this at all. Scomo hasn't done well at all. I think Gladys has been a star. It's not a political side that is the concern but how competent they are.

Morrison does not control the states with border closures etc NSW has done all the heavy lifting with returned travellers etc.
Though job keeper a good initiative from Feds and roll-out will pick up

Let's not try to rewrite history here, as our federal government decided on two major things at the start of this pandemic, the first was they closed travel from China and then they intended to let it rip. Upon reality awakening them, they decided that everyone would go onto Newstart.

The federal government **did not want job keeper at all** , rather it was an initiative more from the ACTU and Greg Combet who was called in had a major hand in creating policy, including Jobkeeper.

Basically they wanted people to live way below the poverty line until the political wipeout alarms were ringing and suck the life out of superannuation.

It would have been an even bigger disaster than their vaccine acquisition and rollout.

so Labor did all the good things... got it

Pretty well, yes. They had voiced similar as their policy and made recommendations to the government of the day. They then voted to pass such with amendments and did not block that which they did not totally support, but knew contained parts that would benefit.

I have always commended any government for good policy and you will find such in this thread relating to the current Sydney lockdown.

Edit; By the way, not my downvote above either as I have not done so for a long time.

all good re the downvote comment formerguest plenty of extreme pro left supporters on here .
I guess the election will be held and see what happens end of the day jobkeeper was rolled out be government not opposition they can spin how they like

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

disregard what he said and stood for, he wasn’t just another name/face running a country

He was a fool. Incompetent, corrupt and scum. I had no opinion on him at all until he screwed everything up.

Your logic to me is so wrong. All I'm hearing is that it doesn't matter if you are incompetent and millions die and the world goes to hell. All that matters is if you are a loud ignorant fool.

Sorry mate that doesn't cut it with me.

I want calm, rational, logical competent politicians who run the country well. I'd prefer them to be quiet and not to have to listen to them.

If I want drama or action I watch the footy and TV shows.

so you're happy with the PMs rolling over every few years, lasting long enough to get their life time pension, rather than have one who has a vision for the country, sticks to their sales pitch that got them the gig and sees it through.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is a terrible person but he tried to accomplish what he said he would in his campaign. at the very start i said ignore what your feelings are for him and see that he was a better leader than the mob we have suffered through since howard.
i'm not here to convert you into a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon lover, just to recognise that a PM needs to be a leader and we haven't had one is ages on either side, both will promise you the voters whatever it takes to get the numbers rather than having a vision for a future and sticking to that even if it upsets a group of people

To keep this somewhat relevant to the topic, a person leading an advanced country suffering so many unnecessary covid deaths is an abject failure and even though he must have done some good with the vaccines, he later failed to lead there as well and the number of his supporters that are vaccine hesitant clearly speaks to that.

But wow, really? What did Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon accomplish apart from building a fence of nepotism, dividing the country whilst making it insular, tax cuts to the wealthy. Remember that health plan that was continually announced with no substance as manufacturing declined and farmers getting handouts.

Apart from GST and gun control, the legacy from the Howard years were the ongoing disaster in Iraq along with ISIS and a structural deficit like that of Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon.

Then you complain about the Gillard government that in minority created the framework for the NDIS, brought in educational change and passed major climate policy amongst by far the most legislative change of any government in living memory for most.

Juliar and kevin707 were not great think pink bats amongst other things and backflipping on climate tax etc.
Let's see how Biden goes over 4 years so far he is not going too flash either

 

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disregard what he said and stood for, he wasn’t just another name/face running a country

He was a fool. Incompetent, corrupt and scum. I had no opinion on him at all until he screwed everything up.

Your logic to me is so wrong. All I'm hearing is that it doesn't matter if you are incompetent and millions die and the world goes to hell. All that matters is if you are a loud ignorant fool.

Sorry mate that doesn't cut it with me.

I want calm, rational, logical competent politicians who run the country well. I'd prefer them to be quiet and not to have to listen to them.

If I want drama or action I watch the footy and TV shows.

so you're happy with the PMs rolling over every few years, lasting long enough to get their life time pension, rather than have one who has a vision for the country, sticks to their sales pitch that got them the gig and sees it through.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is a terrible person but he tried to accomplish what he said he would in his campaign. at the very start i said ignore what your feelings are for him and see that he was a better leader than the mob we have suffered through since howard.
i'm not here to convert you into a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon lover, just to recognise that a PM needs to be a leader and we haven't had one is ages on either side, both will promise you the voters whatever it takes to get the numbers rather than having a vision for a future and sticking to that even if it upsets a group of people

To keep this somewhat relevant to the topic, a person leading an advanced country suffering so many unnecessary covid deaths is an abject failure and even though he must have done some good with the vaccines, he later failed to lead there as well and the number of his supporters that are vaccine hesitant clearly speaks to that.

But wow, really? What did Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon accomplish apart from building a fence of nepotism, dividing the country whilst making it insular, tax cuts to the wealthy. Remember that health plan that was continually announced with no substance as manufacturing declined and farmers getting handouts.

Apart from GST and gun control, the legacy from the Howard years were the ongoing disaster in Iraq along with ISIS and a structural deficit like that of Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon.

Then you complain about the Gillard government that in minority created the framework for the NDIS, brought in educational change and passed major climate policy amongst by far the most legislative change of any government in living memory for most.

Juliar and kevin707 were not great think pink bats amongst other things and backflipping on climate tax etc.
Let's see how Biden goes over 4 years so far he is not going too flash either

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