Coronavirus Outbreak

[Cultured_Bogan]

With the higher number of infectious in community numbers I am starting to wonder now if people are honestly jack of the government. Are they at the point where they are refusing to take a personal economic hit because the state didn't do what was needed when it was necessary in locking down the Eastern Suburbs?

It is easy for me to comment from my position as I can work from home, have everything I need and am in an area with no recorded cases.

It would be much harder for those living week to week being told that they cannot leave for work and have to take leave, or if they are casual, stay home without pay and try to apply for government support. JobKeeper would likely still not be enough for many, while the areas that started this outbreak (who are the demographic who could handle a hard lockdown,) were flogged with a wet lettuce leaf and not locked down properly and facilitated the spread.

 

[Tim Sheens]

With the higher number of infectious in community numbers I am starting to wonder now if people are honestly jack of the government. Are they at the point where they are refusing to take a personal economic hit because the state didn't do what was needed when it was necessary in locking down the Eastern Suburbs?

It is easy for me to comment from my position as I can work from home, have everything I need and am in an area with no recorded cases.

It would be much harder for those living week to week being told that they cannot leave for work and have to take leave, or if they are casual, stay home without pay and try to apply for government support. JobKeeper would likely still not be enough for many, while the areas that started this outbreak (who are the demographic who could handle a hard lockdown,) were flogged with a wet lettuce leaf and not locked down properly and facilitated the spread.

No doubt there is a rising level of resentment in the community and the seeding of some if it almost certainly relates to disparities, perceived or otherwise.

The assistance for many is still inadequate and being rolled out much slower than necessary for some you alluded to above to survive.

We are a wealthy country that can afford this and for mine it is imperative that we as a community that are relieved by the spending must also be the ones to repay a good portion of it as things return. We must not allow this to become a burden on our children and use the opportunity to enact structural funding change, with the next round of legislated tax cuts the first to culled as the first action.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

With the higher number of infectious in community numbers I am starting to wonder now if people are honestly jack of the government. Are they at the point where they are refusing to take a personal economic hit because the state didn't do what was needed when it was necessary in locking down the Eastern Suburbs?

It is easy for me to comment from my position as I can work from home, have everything I need and am in an area with no recorded cases.

It would be much harder for those living week to week being told that they cannot leave for work and have to take leave, or if they are casual, stay home without pay and try to apply for government support. JobKeeper would likely still not be enough for many, while the areas that started this outbreak (who are the demographic who could handle a hard lockdown,) were flogged with a wet lettuce leaf and not locked down properly and facilitated the spread.

No doubt there is a rising level of resentment in the community and the seeding of some if it almost certainly relates to disparities, perceived or otherwise.

The assistance for many is still inadequate and being rolled out much slower than necessary for some you alluded to above to survive.

We are a wealthy country that can afford this and for mine it is imperative that we as a community that are relieved by the spending must also be the ones to repay a good portion of it as things return. We must not allow this to become a burden on our children and use the opportunity to enact structural funding change, with the next round of legislated tax cuts the first to culled as the first action.

The lockdowns can be easily solved by forcing politicians and public service involved including “medical advisors” to a job keeper for the duration of the lockdown!

 

[earl]

JobKeeper had to be elevated to some reasonable level because people earning much higher than the dole were suddenly made jobless.

Save money. If the dole isn't enough for your spending then save money. The government should only ever support a standard of living society deems acceptable for people getting the dole. If it's good enough for one person it's good enough for everyone. To me it's a principle of how capitalism should work and the state should provide support.

@cochise - that is a fair point. Thanks for the info.

 

[jadtiger]

I wonder if there might be more to this story. I don't mean to be tasteless in speculating on a recent death, but the family only just got positive results the other day, seems very fast for a death compared to typical covid deaths, and she was only in her 50s too.

She may not have realised how sick she was or 'didn't want to make a fuss'. 🙁

I can recall reading a (chilling) article from a NYC paramedic very early into the pandemic - just into their 'first wave'. Lots of people around that age bracket dropped dead suddenly at home due to cardiac arrest within a few days of contracting the virus.

Extremely low (near zero) chances of surviving that (cardiac arrest) outside a hospital unless you're next to a defibrillator and have someone there able to use it, and even then poor outcomes can be expected.

Terrible situation all round, and sympathies to the young blokes (yes I acknowledge they did the wrong thing) who've lost their mum unexpectedly.

Now Orange, Blayney and Cabonne are going into lockdown as from midnight.
I just wonder how long before Bathurst follows as an infected truck driver stopped at BP in Raglan (just on the Sydney side of Bathurst).


But but but Gladys is GOLD standard just ask the "liar from the shire".Sooner or later his lies/ misdirections will be exposed on all his failings,the Glasgow conferance on climate change later this year could expose this charlatan completely though i have no doubt his owners in the Murdoch media will cover his rear end as well they can.it will be interesting to see how the fact that we as a nation pay more taxes and tariffs to export to rest of the world than anybody else will be painted by him and his backers(reason is lack of action on climate change).
Mods please feel free to transfer this to the politics thread where it belongs.

Each way Albo says hello same mistakes as Bill shorten try to back both sides all the time.
Thank God Labor are not in charge during this pandemic thank you voters

I don't believe this at all. Scomo hasn't done well at all. I think Gladys has been a star. It's not a political side that is the concern but how competent they are.

Morrison does not control the states with border closures etc NSW has done all the heavy lifting with returned travellers etc.
Though job keeper a good initiative from Feds and roll-out will pick up

Let's not try to rewrite history here, as our federal government decided on two major things at the start of this pandemic, the first was they closed travel from China and then they intended to let it rip. Upon reality awakening them, they decided that everyone would go onto Newstart.

The federal government **did not want job keeper at all** , rather it was an initiative more from the ACTU and Greg Combet who was called in had a major hand in creating policy, including Jobkeeper.

Basically they wanted people to live way below the poverty line until the political wipeout alarms were ringing and suck the life out of superannuation.

It would have been an even bigger disaster than their vaccine acquisition and rollout.

ok mate
I have never seen you ever support the coalition on anything so keep supporting Labor

Mate in my 68 years of life i have never seen anything from the liberal(extreme conservative) party worth supporting.From conscription of young men not even old enough to vote so they can fight/die in Vietnam in the 60s to ignoring climate change and having the worst vaccine rollout in the developed countries.They have also pushed quarantine onto the states rather than do what is clearly their job.
In my case i do not always vote for labor if i feel they are wrong but i have never voted for the coalition because they never get it right.We need leadership in this country and we are not getting it from the incompetent incumbent nor do i see anyone in his party capable of leading.
Mods please move this to the politics thread

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

JobKeeper had to be elevated to some reasonable level because people earning much higher than the dole were suddenly made jobless.

Save money. If the dole isn't enough for your spending then save money. The government should only ever support a standard of living society deems acceptable for people getting the dole. If it's good enough for one person it's good enough for everyone. To me it's a principle of how capitalism should work and the state should provide support.

@cochise - that is a fair point. Thanks for the info.

If you're earning $60K gross salary, you're going home with $940 a week.

Rent is $500+ in Sydney, Car repayment could be upto $200 a week depending what car you have, $50-80 per week for fuel, groceries dependent on however big a family you have, HECS debt reduces your take home salary if you went to uni.

Right there that's your salary. Every week.

Doesn't include electricity, water, phone bill/credit, insurances, car registration & maintenance, replacement of any broken appliances.

Save money. Righto.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I wonder if there might be more to this story. I don't mean to be tasteless in speculating on a recent death, but the family only just got positive results the other day, seems very fast for a death compared to typical covid deaths, and she was only in her 50s too.

She may not have realised how sick she was or 'didn't want to make a fuss'. 🙁

I can recall reading a (chilling) article from a NYC paramedic very early into the pandemic - just into their 'first wave'. Lots of people around that age bracket dropped dead suddenly at home due to cardiac arrest within a few days of contracting the virus.

Extremely low (near zero) chances of surviving that (cardiac arrest) outside a hospital unless you're next to a defibrillator and have someone there able to use it, and even then poor outcomes can be expected.

Terrible situation all round, and sympathies to the young blokes (yes I acknowledge they did the wrong thing) who've lost their mum unexpectedly.

Now Orange, Blayney and Cabonne are going into lockdown as from midnight.
I just wonder how long before Bathurst follows as an infected truck driver stopped at BP in Raglan (just on the Sydney side of Bathurst).


But but but Gladys is GOLD standard just ask the "liar from the shire".Sooner or later his lies/ misdirections will be exposed on all his failings,the Glasgow conferance on climate change later this year could expose this charlatan completely though i have no doubt his owners in the Murdoch media will cover his rear end as well they can.it will be interesting to see how the fact that we as a nation pay more taxes and tariffs to export to rest of the world than anybody else will be painted by him and his backers(reason is lack of action on climate change).
Mods please feel free to transfer this to the politics thread where it belongs.

Each way Albo says hello same mistakes as Bill shorten try to back both sides all the time.
Thank God Labor are not in charge during this pandemic thank you voters

I don't believe this at all. Scomo hasn't done well at all. I think Gladys has been a star. It's not a political side that is the concern but how competent they are.

Morrison does not control the states with border closures etc NSW has done all the heavy lifting with returned travellers etc.
Though job keeper a good initiative from Feds and roll-out will pick up

Let's not try to rewrite history here, as our federal government decided on two major things at the start of this pandemic, the first was they closed travel from China and then they intended to let it rip. Upon reality awakening them, they decided that everyone would go onto Newstart.

The federal government **did not want job keeper at all** , rather it was an initiative more from the ACTU and Greg Combet who was called in had a major hand in creating policy, including Jobkeeper.

Basically they wanted people to live way below the poverty line until the political wipeout alarms were ringing and suck the life out of superannuation.

It would have been an even bigger disaster than their vaccine acquisition and rollout.

ok mate
I have never seen you ever support the coalition on anything so keep supporting Labor


Mate in my 68 years of life i have never seen anything from the liberal(extreme conservative) party worth supporting.From conscription of young men not even old enough to vote so they can fight/die in Vietnam in the 60s to ignoring climate change and having the worst vaccine rollout in the developed countries.They have also pushed quarantine onto the states rather than do what is clearly their job.
In my case i do not always vote for labor if i feel they are wrong but i have never voted for the coalition because they never get it right.We need leadership in this country and we are not getting it from the incompetent incumbent nor do i see anyone in his party capable of leading.
Mods please move this to the politics thread

that is your view and the majority of the country at the last federal election disagreed with it.
agree mods should be in political thread sorry

 

[cochise]

Any further political base posts with no relationship to covid will be moved or deleted.

 

[earl]

It's a shame that so many people are having trouble facing reality.

It is hard for all of us right now, especially us "sheep" who do the right thing to try and keep our fellow citizens safe, even the misguided ones who freely create their own definitions so they can create straw men.

To the sceptics here, who think they have outsmarted 95% of the world despite having 0 qualifications, no prior experience and largely constructing arguments based on drivel from the web:

Fear is driving you to avoid reality. I hope you realise that before your "opinion" kills you or a loved one. Roll up your sleeve, get a jab, move on.

Any other interaction with you is a waste of everyone's time. It is hard, the rest of us have accepted that no options are ideal. Stop looking for a magical fantasy theory. This isn't lotto, there is no prize for being 1 in a million, only a coffin or urn for you or someone who has the bad luck to know you.

I don't know how you got down voted for this. It's a problem in the world today. Not everyone will die. You just increase your chances of bad stuff happening to you and your loved ones if you don't get vaccinated. That is reality.

I don't think it matters though. It's a personal choice.

I just had my second dose.

 

[earl]

Save money. Righto.

I should probably be more empathetic but that is the way a capitalist system works. Move elsewhere, never get a car loan, etc. I'm not trying to be difficult I just think that is the way the system should work.

 

[TillLindemann]

Anothony Mundine 'fighting the power' by going to Bunnings without a mask and refusing to check in. Who would have thought a man of such profound intelligence would have boarded the covid conspiracy theory train.

 

[hobbo1]

With the higher number of infectious in community numbers I am starting to wonder now if people are honestly jack of the government. Are they at the point where they are refusing to take a personal economic hit because the state didn't do what was needed when it was necessary in locking down the Eastern Suburbs?

It is easy for me to comment from my position as I can work from home, have everything I need and am in an area with no recorded cases.

It would be much harder for those living week to week being told that they cannot leave for work and have to take leave, or if they are casual, stay home without pay and try to apply for government support. JobKeeper would likely still not be enough for many, while the areas that started this outbreak (who are the demographic who could handle a hard lockdown,) were flogged with a wet lettuce leaf and not locked down properly and facilitated the spread.

I’m still working.. government can get bent !
I’m not dropping 3-3.5k a week just because they can’t get there shit together.


Even got pulled over just after Faulco station yesterday arvo ..
cops can’t do Jack if you give them a reasonable excuse !

 

[jadtiger]

Anothony Mundine 'fighting the power' by going to Bunnings without a mask and refusing to check in. Who would have thought a man of such profound intelligence would have boarded the covid conspiracy theory train.

Love the sarcasm

 

[Papacito]

With the higher number of infectious in community numbers I am starting to wonder now if people are honestly jack of the government. Are they at the point where they are refusing to take a personal economic hit because the state didn't do what was needed when it was necessary in locking down the Eastern Suburbs?

It is easy for me to comment from my position as I can work from home, have everything I need and am in an area with no recorded cases.

It would be much harder for those living week to week being told that they cannot leave for work and have to take leave, or if they are casual, stay home without pay and try to apply for government support. JobKeeper would likely still not be enough for many, while the areas that started this outbreak (who are the demographic who could handle a hard lockdown,) were flogged with a wet lettuce leaf and not locked down properly and facilitated the spread.

I'm lucky enough to be able to work from home too, but the current situation is unsustainable for most people in my neighbourhood.

The bloke who lives next door to me is a good example. Single Dad who works as a plumber and needs to cover his mortgage, school fees for his kids and normal living expenses.

Dipping into a few weeks of annual leave will get him through but the weekly payment from the government won't.

Not to downplay the potential devastation of covid, but most would take the extremely low chance of death or illness over the very high risk of not being able to pay bills.

 

[earl]

Not to downplay the potential devastation of covid, but most would take the extremely low chance of death or illness over the very high risk of not being able to pay bills.

This is why we just have to offer the vaccine to everyone and let let it rip.

These lock downs are not sustainable and they might not even work. It can target lower socio-economic groups as well. It's not directed at anyone in particular but that is who it affects.

 

[tigertye]

You’re completely missing my point. Absolutely nobody needs to die or become ill from covid or a faulty vaccine whatsoever. But the only way to achieve that is by stopping international travel until there is a safer vaccination available. International travel isn’t a necessity if it saves lives. It sounds like you don’t care about those that’ll lose their lives. You said yourself “some people are going to die from it, it sucks but it happens”. Truth be told, they don’t have to die at all so I see that sort of comment as just completely humanely wrong.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release

People die. As for your faulty vaccine that is complete nonsense. We have a vaccine. Go and get vaccinated.

Don't think that I don't care about people dying. I've lost my brother and it hurts every day.

We have to be rational and you are not viewing this situation rationally.

Of course people die. This is about avoiding unnecessary deaths.

It is faulty, it’s not nonsense. It’s proven to have serious side affects and has killed people. Im not about to stick something in my arm because some bloke on a forum said so or an government that has failed time and time again thinks it’s the best option. I’ve drawn my own opinion and I’ll back it.

You say I’m not rational, but I could argue that your thought process and opinion is selfish and irrational.

I’ve raised a point that avoids all deaths and illness related to covid. You’ve come up with an argument that is basically saying people will die, that’s life, that’s reality.

I’m telling you that doesn’t need to be the case.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Petition to reopen barbers as a essential service 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

 

[earl]

I’m telling you that doesn’t need to be the case.

Read the posts above about people having too work. We cannot close our country down completely for years. The effects would be devastating to us.

It's like you can't see that there are consequences to your actions.

I'm trying to find the approach forward with the least consequences to society.

Your approach has significant costs to society. It is unworkable.

You also aren't getting that people die all the time. They die from the flu. They die from eating McDonalds and steaks and ice cream. Do we ban that ? Do we all stay in a bubble so we don't get the flu ?

On top of that we have vaccines available.

It's like there are massive massive holes in your argument but you can't see them. I shouldn't respond to this anymore. If you can't see the flaws in your reasoning please raise these points to your local politician. Maybe I am seeing flaws that aren't there and you've got this right.

 

[Don Kershane]

Anothony Mundine 'fighting the power' by going to Bunnings without a mask and refusing to check in. Who would have thought a man of such profound intelligence would have boarded the covid conspiracy theory train.

Went to buy a hand tool due to having a screw loose.

 

[hobbo1]

Petition to reopen barbers as a essential service 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

I now have a mullet 😂