Coronavirus Outbreak

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China have developed a biological weapon which they allowed to spread throughout the working class. They have then sent the infected around the world, while they keep the vaccines and treatments to themselves.

China should be completely shut out of this country. Land that Chinese citizens own should be reclaimed by the government to pay for the treatment of the disease that was created and exported by China.

Funny think is that they are now over the worst of it, while the rest of the world now suffers the consequences.

This is completely bonkers.

It's not completely unfeasible IMO.
Wouldn't surprise if biological attacks are the new normal in terms of terrorism. Not necessarily this particular case but you can be sure it's pricked up the ears of terrorist organisations.

 

[jadtiger]

China have developed a biological weapon which they allowed to spread throughout the working class. They have then sent the infected around the world, while they keep the vaccines and treatments to themselves.

China should be completely shut out of this country. Land that Chinese citizens own should be reclaimed by the government to pay for the treatment of the disease that was created and exported by China.

Funny think is that they are now over the worst of it, while the rest of the world now suffers the consequences.

Unfortunately there are right wing nut jobs who would believe that to be true

 

[jadtiger]

China have developed a biological weapon which they allowed to spread throughout the working class. They have then sent the infected around the world, while they keep the vaccines and treatments to themselves.

China should be completely shut out of this country. Land that Chinese citizens own should be reclaimed by the government to pay for the treatment of the disease that was created and exported by China.

Funny think is that they are now over the worst of it, while the rest of the world now suffers the consequences.

This is completely bonkers.

It's not completely unfeasible IMO.
Wouldn't surprise if biological attacks are the new normal in terms of terrorism. Not necessarily this particular case but you can be sure it's pricked up the ears of terrorist organisations.

That has always been on the cards read Tom Clancy some time.

 

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Hear that the Brisbane to Gladstone Yacht race .....Boyne Tannum Hook Up and the Harbour Festival at easter all cancelled

Not the Brisbane to Gladstone Yacht Race???!!!!!!
That's it.....I didn't take this virus seriously until now!
Every man for themselves lol.
Maybe they can race leaves down the street gutters like we used to do as kids? Probably more exciting too. Win/win.

happy won that 6 years in a row in a bath tub..

They were Ducks not Yachts

https://youtu.be/cDy4PZPMDwU

 

[Tigerboy]

China have developed a biological weapon which they allowed to spread throughout the working class. They have then sent the infected around the world, while they keep the vaccines and treatments to themselves.

China should be completely shut out of this country. Land that Chinese citizens own should be reclaimed by the government to pay for the treatment of the disease that was created and exported by China.

Funny think is that they are now over the worst of it, while the rest of the world now suffers the consequences.

Unfortunately there are right wing nut jobs who would believe that to be true

Bit of nepotism? Culling their own

In order to dominate global finance???

In *china*

Noooo that’s impossible. You’re a tool if you aren’t at the very least skeptical about all this. They should be paying any airports that had international travellers returning from the region.

Over here that means hospitals and working alongside our talent on the GC for a vaccine. Instead they’ve been the opposite of helpful

Where exactly are they up to with Coronavirus?

 

[jirskyr]

China should have been locked down from the beginning, no one in or out - they're on top of it now and have seen the worst of it. All this has done is kill people in other countries and ruin the global economy.



So what do you think of ScoMo letter in 100K Chinese students to attend university's here before they close direct flights the other week I find it appalling

Its not a race thing when I say Chinese it's a country of origin thing.... I think letting the universitys make a buck at ever one else's expense it horrific

Is there any confirmation of Chinese students bringing coronavirus or being diagnosed?

The first coronavirus case in AU was a Chinese man on 25/Jan/20, followed by 4 Aussies who had visited Wuhan. On 31/Jan/20 we had reached 9 cases and the govt announced restrictions on foreign nationals coming back from China. 4 of those 9 cases were Chinese nationals but not one of them younger than 40 years old.

The next batch of coronavirus cases in early March were return travellers from Iran.

So I'm not so clear that we need to be fearful or worried about the influx of Chinese students, esp. if they were not from Wuhan at the time the outbreak was starting. Similarly, the Australian government is not going to stop Aussies returning from abroad, and returning Aussies appear to account for at least more than half of the first few dozen cases.

 

[innsaneink]

Dunno if this guys on the money or not....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8&feature=youtu.be

 

[jirskyr]

China have developed a biological weapon which they allowed to spread throughout the working class. They have then sent the infected around the world, while they keep the vaccines and treatments to themselves.

China should be completely shut out of this country. Land that Chinese citizens own should be reclaimed by the government to pay for the treatment of the disease that was created and exported by China.

Funny think is that they are now over the worst of it, while the rest of the world now suffers the consequences.

Unfortunately there are right wing nut jobs who would believe that to be true

The more and more non-footy stuff that gets posted in here, the more concerned I get about some of the repugnant trash that some people post. Grabbing land owned by Chinese because that's where the virus started? God forbid anyone here ever - lawfully - ever owns land in another country and then finds themselves on the negative end of some racial backlash.

 

[Cairnstigers]

The way people are behaving we are heading towards Anarchy
People really need to stop panicking on all fronts
It's not doing any good And not helping
It's exacerbating the problem
Take precautions yes but panic No
Accusations don't help either
Imagine if Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon accused China of manufacturing this virus to rule the world as some have suggested
That kind of comment could start world war 3

 

[jirskyr]

Dunno if this guys on the money or not…

The experts are not in agreement. That's half the problem; you only need to read the Herald for a day to see the widely differing opinions from medical, epidemiological and logistical experts.

They definitely have a point in the UK about when to enact the heaviest isolation, because there is a lot of concern that if you go too early, or too hard, people can only stay indoors for so long, then you've used your isolation card up.

For example, imagine we went heavy isolation in Australia right now and held the coronavirus cases at around 250 for, say, 6 months. Never more than 250 cases, maybe 6000 people total over the 6 months (250 per week in and out). And the isolation works, and the rate drops down and down. If you relax the isolation rules before cases are below zero, you are going back to January where you have maybe 5 or 6 people who can trigger a new outbreak; or someone comes in from another country and we have to do this all over again. That's the problem with COVID-19, because it's clearly very easy to get a foothold and explode in transmission.

If instead you just let the population be careful and gradually have corona move through, you get a large but manageable number of cases, most of those people recover, severe cases get hospital priority, and a significant portion of the population (theoretically) develops immunity. So the next run of corona in 2021, assuming it becomes seasonal, we don't have 100% disease-naive subjects like we do now. Then corona becomes like flu, where the population has a baseline immunity and there is a small and manageable toll on the health system.

That's the theory anyway. Because you look at Italy, they've gone full mental lockdown and... the rate of positive corona cases is still skyrocketing? They've been in lockdown for at least a week, and on Sunday they reported 3.5K new cases. That's not to say they are doing it wrong, just that you can go lockdown and the disease obviously still gets around or cases still arise afterwards. And you have to ask how long you can sustain lockdown?

 

[bythebeardofzeus]

The way people are behaving we are heading towards Anarchy
People really need to stop panicking on all fronts
It's not doing any good And not helping
It's exacerbating the problem
Take precautions yes but panic No
Accusations don't help either
Imagine if Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon accused China of manufacturing this virus to rule the world as some have suggested
That kind of comment could start world war 3

Yep couldn’t agree more.

A few things we all need to remember, be responsible, careful & keep an eye on those who are a little more vulnerable.

Was hoping my workplace would be proactive & allow everyone to wfh for the short term, avoiding public transport etc. but unfortunately we’re not quite that forward-thinking enough as yet.

 

[happy_tiger]

Dunno if this guys on the money or not…

The experts are not in agreement. That's half the problem; you only need to read the Herald for a day to see the widely differing opinions from medical, epidemiological and logistical experts.

They definitely have a point in the UK about when to enact the heaviest isolation, because there is a lot of concern that if you go too early, or too hard, people can only stay indoors for so long, then you've used your isolation card up.

For example, imagine we went heavy isolation in Australia right now and held the coronavirus cases at around 250 for, say, 6 months. Never more than 250 cases, maybe 6000 people total over the 6 months (250 per week in and out). And the isolation works, and the rate drops down and down. If you relax the isolation rules before cases are below zero, you are going back to January where you have maybe 5 or 6 people who can trigger a new outbreak; or someone comes in from another country and we have to do this all over again. That's the problem with COVID-19, because it's clearly very easy to get a foothold and explode in transmission.

If instead you just let the population be careful and gradually have corona move through, you get a large but manageable number of cases, most of those people recover, severe cases get hospital priority, and a significant portion of the population (theoretically) develops immunity. So the next run of corona in 2021, assuming it becomes seasonal, we don't have 100% disease-naive subjects like we do now. Then corona becomes like flu, where the population has a baseline immunity and there is a small and manageable toll on the health system.

That's the theory anyway. Because you look at Italy, they've gone full mental lockdown and... the rate of positive corona cases is still skyrocketing? They've been in lockdown for at least a week, and on Sunday they reported 3.5K new cases. That's not to say they are doing it wrong, just that you can go lockdown and the disease obviously still gets around or cases still arise afterwards. And you have to ask how long you can sustain lockdown?

They just made a good point on Q&A (one of very few mind you )

What did we do for feedback during the Bushfires

We had the head of Fire Service make calls and we backed them 110%

Why can't we do the same here ....pick the best expert in this situation and back him or her to the hilt ...at least the whole country is on the same page

 

[cochise]

Dunno if this guys on the money or not…

The experts are not in agreement. That's half the problem; you only need to read the Herald for a day to see the widely differing opinions from medical, epidemiological and logistical experts.

They definitely have a point in the UK about when to enact the heaviest isolation, because there is a lot of concern that if you go too early, or too hard, people can only stay indoors for so long, then you've used your isolation card up.

For example, imagine we went heavy isolation in Australia right now and held the coronavirus cases at around 250 for, say, 6 months. Never more than 250 cases, maybe 6000 people total over the 6 months (250 per week in and out). And the isolation works, and the rate drops down and down. If you relax the isolation rules before cases are below zero, you are going back to January where you have maybe 5 or 6 people who can trigger a new outbreak; or someone comes in from another country and we have to do this all over again. That's the problem with COVID-19, because it's clearly very easy to get a foothold and explode in transmission.

If instead you just let the population be careful and gradually have corona move through, you get a large but manageable number of cases, most of those people recover, severe cases get hospital priority, and a significant portion of the population (theoretically) develops immunity. So the next run of corona in 2021, assuming it becomes seasonal, we don't have 100% disease-naive subjects like we do now. Then corona becomes like flu, where the population has a baseline immunity and there is a small and manageable toll on the health system.

That's the theory anyway. Because you look at Italy, they've gone full mental lockdown and... the rate of positive corona cases is still skyrocketing? They've been in lockdown for at least a week, and on Sunday they reported 3.5K new cases. That's not to say they are doing it wrong, just that you can go lockdown and the disease obviously still gets around or cases still arise afterwards. And you have to ask how long you can sustain lockdown?

Very good post mate, the strategy needs to be to manage the number of cases as it moves through the community, the biggest problem with this is that it is a novel virus and no one has immunity to it. Herd immunity helps your weakest and most vunerable as it protects them from coming into contact with disease. For Covid19 there is not herd immunity thus it puts our vuberable people at great risk. That's is why it is extremely important for the elderly and people with pre existing conditions to self isolate. We then need to slow the spread of the virus and lengthen the peak to allow our health systems to be able to cope with the increased pressure. This will help by building herd immunity and making the virus less dangerous when it eventually returns!

 

[weststigers]

I'm not trying to be high and mighty with this statement , but people should not be using the Coronavirus to try and get time off work or a sickie it is as low as you can get

The amount of stress it puts on the employers and other management and employees who are concerned they might get CV

One of my management is pregnant ..as you can imagine it gets pretty stressful

The other problem is this ....we are being told staff can only return to work with a medical clearance ...Drs and Hospitals are saying not to send mild cases to the Drs/hospitals

This is the big issue.

How long does somebody stay infectious? And if the spread continues with current trends then HOW THE BLOODY HELL are we gonna supports the millions put out of action? Scomo go home

As much as we'd like to believe the Government can solve all our problems, they simply can't.

The 3 main issues are:

1. Preventing a mass influx of patients on the health system at once
2. Preventing an economic meltdown
3. Supporting people just enough so they don't lose everything in the process

With the exception of point 1 (maybe), the Government will not be able to prevent these things happening. There will be lots of pain and we'll all feel it.

The reality is, none of this is in the Governments control at this point. Even if they wanted to, the Government simply doesn't have enough money to cover peoples expenses for months on end. The sad reality of isolation and lockdowns is that it impacts the economy greatly.

The only ones making any money at this point are businesses that sell the basics - the general economy is at a standstill right now due to all this, but we don't have a choice.

Within the coming months we will see business closures and layoffs despite stimulus. Once jobs start being lost, that's when the real carnage will begin. I dare say the supermarket shelves you see today will look full in comparison to what we'll see in a few months time.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Dunno if this guys on the money or not…

The experts are not in agreement. That's half the problem; you only need to read the Herald for a day to see the widely differing opinions from medical, epidemiological and logistical experts.

They definitely have a point in the UK about when to enact the heaviest isolation, because there is a lot of concern that if you go too early, or too hard, people can only stay indoors for so long, then you've used your isolation card up.

For example, imagine we went heavy isolation in Australia right now and held the coronavirus cases at around 250 for, say, 6 months. Never more than 250 cases, maybe 6000 people total over the 6 months (250 per week in and out). And the isolation works, and the rate drops down and down. If you relax the isolation rules before cases are below zero, you are going back to January where you have maybe 5 or 6 people who can trigger a new outbreak; or someone comes in from another country and we have to do this all over again. That's the problem with COVID-19, because it's clearly very easy to get a foothold and explode in transmission.

If instead you just let the population be careful and gradually have corona move through, you get a large but manageable number of cases, most of those people recover, severe cases get hospital priority, and a significant portion of the population (theoretically) develops immunity. So the next run of corona in 2021, assuming it becomes seasonal, we don't have 100% disease-naive subjects like we do now. Then corona becomes like flu, where the population has a baseline immunity and there is a small and manageable toll on the health system.

That's the theory anyway. Because you look at Italy, they've gone full mental lockdown and... the rate of positive corona cases is still skyrocketing? They've been in lockdown for at least a week, and on Sunday they reported 3.5K new cases. That's not to say they are doing it wrong, just that you can go lockdown and the disease obviously still gets around or cases still arise afterwards. And you have to ask how long you can sustain lockdown?

They just made a good point on Q&A (one of very few mind you )

What did we do for feedback during the Bushfires

We had the head of Fire Service make calls and we backed them 110%

Why can't we do the same here ....pick the best expert in this situation and back him or her to the hilt ...at least the whole country is on the same page

Difference is the experts don’t have a method to extinguish the fire let alone contain it. The best they could do is have a very slow burn that eventually does high damage anyway but also cripples the economy.

Keeping work going, keeping kids in schools prevents anarchy but also keeps a good portion of spend flowing. Coffee shops, public transport, security, shops, barber etc.

You stop that to just slow things down and the risk is things become worse - it’s not just COVID-19 its suicide, mental health, violence, homeless etc.

This isn’t black and white like a fire or flood contained to an area. This is something impacting the whole world, our country and has a hell of alot worse impacts than bushfires/floods

 

[Cairnstigers]

Instead of shutting everything down, how about we all wear something like this
It has to help reduce the risk wouldn't you think

 

[Cairnstigers]

Instead of shutting everything down, how about we all wear something like this
It has to help reduce the risk wouldn't you think


 

[Guest]

China should have been locked down from the beginning, no one in or out - they're on top of it now and have seen the worst of it. All this has done is kill people in other countries and ruin the global economy.



So what do you think of ScoMo letter in 100K Chinese students to attend university's here before they close direct flights the other week I find it appalling

Its not a race thing when I say Chinese it's a country of origin thing.... I think letting the universitys make a buck at ever one else's expense it horrific

I think it's disgraceful.

 

[earl]

China have developed a biological weapon which they allowed to spread throughout the working class. They have then sent the infected around the world, while they keep the vaccines and treatments to themselves.

China should be completely shut out of this country. Land that Chinese citizens own should be reclaimed by the government to pay for the treatment of the disease that was created and exported by China.

Funny think is that they are now over the worst of it, while the rest of the world now suffers the consequences.

This is completely bonkers.

It's not completely unfeasible IMO.
Wouldn't surprise if biological attacks are the new normal in terms of terrorism. Not necessarily this particular case but you can be sure it's pricked up the ears of terrorist organisations.

Actually it is completely bonkers. It's the sort of stupid stuff that stupid ignorant people state. Go and have a look at the figures which may understate the problem. China has suffered from this just as much as the rest of the world. There is no need for stupidity to permeate society now.

 

[earl]

China have developed a biological weapon which they allowed to spread throughout the working class. They have then sent the infected around the world, while they keep the vaccines and treatments to themselves.

China should be completely shut out of this country. Land that Chinese citizens own should be reclaimed by the government to pay for the treatment of the disease that was created and exported by China.

Funny think is that they are now over the worst of it, while the rest of the world now suffers the consequences.

Unfortunately there are right wing nut jobs who would believe that to be true

The more and more non-footy stuff that gets posted in here, the more concerned I get about some of the repugnant trash that some people post. Grabbing land owned by Chinese because that's where the virus started? God forbid anyone here ever - lawfully - ever owns land in another country and then finds themselves on the negative end of some racial backlash.

I honestly think some people have such a low level of intelligence and common sense that they shouldn't be classified as human beings.