Coronavirus Outbreak

[Camel2281]

Maybe the different Vaccines UK mostly AZ .. Israel all Pfizer..

US all Pfizer and they arent getting the percentages that Israel are.

US is split between the Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson and Johnson

 

[cochise]

Maybe the different Vaccines UK mostly AZ .. Israel all Pfizer..

US all Pfizer and they arent getting the percentages that Israel are.

Heading in the wrong direction in America too now. 184,000 new infections there just yesterday, and 1,480 new deaths.

This is a real worry for the health situation and personal freedoms long term.

Only yesterday people would go after me for a post like this

Hope people downvote me

So what is your suggestion?


Thanks, back to rationality.

Obviously we have all made sacrifices social and lifestyle over the last 2 years and even worse some have got seriously ill and passed away sadly. For me and many others we have also taken big hits job, business and money wise some people will be permanently financially ruined because sadly the government support measures didn't help everyone. Certain things including footy club's will disappear, can't have no crowds or club's shut or semi open.

Can't have people like above posters into isolation away from families for 2 weeks for going to a supermarket fully vaxed, I mean hey if your vaxed and come down with a flu for a few days no big deal, life went on footy games were played. We need to make a decision .

But as free societies if we are indeed that we need perhaps the public to be asked to a vote in a plebiscite perhaps that if if we and 80 plus people are vaccinated life return to normal.

Or do we continue this way for many years. I can't believe restrictions like this would ever have been countenanced in the past even without vaccination let alone vaccinated.

Perhaps we can have a poll on this.
I'd love to know how people prefer this to go.

Once we hit 80%, the only restrictions will be to protect the health system from collapsing, if you can't see that being important then I can't help you.

It's very important.
But, people are putting their faith in vaccines and reopening. Isn't that why we are getting vaccinated, otherwise whats the point.

But at some point life must go on

The point is you are
8 times less likely to contract Covid if Vaxxed
25 times less likely to be hospitalised
25 times less likely to die

That takes a lot of extra pressure off the health system and hopefully by the time we get to 80% it puts another downward pressure on this to enable our health system to function while we deal with this.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Maybe the different Vaccines UK mostly AZ .. Israel all Pfizer..

US all Pfizer and they arent getting the percentages that Israel are.

Heading in the wrong direction in America too now. 184,000 new infections there just yesterday, and 1,480 new deaths.

This is a real worry for the health situation and personal freedoms long term.

Only yesterday people would go after me for a post like this

Hope people downvote me

UK recorded over 35,000 new cases and 207 deaths yesterday. Re-opening is not going well. It's the highest death toll since 231 deaths were recorded on 9 March 21.
To make it worse, these figures come after a bank holiday weekend when there is traditionally a lag in numbers.

 

[cochise]

Maybe the different Vaccines UK mostly AZ .. Israel all Pfizer..

US all Pfizer and they arent getting the percentages that Israel are.

Heading in the wrong direction in America too now. 184,000 new infections there just yesterday, and 1,480 new deaths.

This is a real worry for the health situation and personal freedoms long term.

Only yesterday people would go after me for a post like this

Hope people downvote me

UK recorded over 35,000 new cases and 207 deaths yesterday. Re-opening is not going well. It's the highest death toll since 231 deaths were recorded on 9 March 21.
To make it worse, these figures come after a bank holiday weekend when there is traditionally a lag in numbers.

The UK is still only at 64% vaccination rate. Hopefully 70-80% is enough to keep a lid of things.

 

[gregjm87]

Glad Australia were at the head of the queue according to our PM, else we could be in lockdown as a result of being closer to the rear of the line and many months behind where we could be.


Its not a race

Hey jad.Im in the Southern Highlands NSW,Moss Vale...just had a phone call from my ex that the local IGA supermarket has been shut for deep cleaning...apparently a covid positive shopper has infected the place...recorded on Mon 30th Aug...I have been there shopping this week but havent had a call to isolate as of yet....wish me luck,doesnt look like I will be going to work just yet and our lockdown will probably be extended....cheers...

I received a message from NSW Health to get tested and self isolate after a person was known to be positive at woolworths, but the message arrived 9 days later?

Normally i wouldnt be sticking up for how NSW health are handling things but 9 days later seems pretty standard when you consider, it would take a few days for someone to actually get sick and get tested, a few days for the results to come back, then add time taken to for contact tracing to figure out when they were infected and how long they have been infectious for. Unfortunately i cant really see a way to speed up the process.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Maybe the different Vaccines UK mostly AZ .. Israel all Pfizer..

US all Pfizer and they arent getting the percentages that Israel are.

Heading in the wrong direction in America too now. 184,000 new infections there just yesterday, and 1,480 new deaths.

This is a real worry for the health situation and personal freedoms long term.

Only yesterday people would go after me for a post like this

Hope people downvote me

So what is your suggestion?


Thanks, back to rationality.

Obviously we have all made sacrifices social and lifestyle over the last 2 years and even worse some have got seriously ill and passed away sadly. For me and many others we have also taken big hits job, business and money wise some people will be permanently financially ruined because sadly the government support measures didn't help everyone. Certain things including footy club's will disappear, can't have no crowds or club's shut or semi open.

Can't have people like above posters into isolation away from families for 2 weeks for going to a supermarket fully vaxed, I mean hey if your vaxed and come down with a flu for a few days no big deal, life went on footy games were played. We need to make a decision .

But as free societies if we are indeed that we need perhaps the public to be asked to a vote in a plebiscite perhaps that if if we and 80 plus people are vaccinated life return to normal.

Or do we continue this way for many years. I can't believe restrictions like this would ever have been countenanced in the past even without vaccination let alone vaccinated.

Perhaps we can have a poll on this.
I'd love to know how people prefer this to go.

Once we hit 80%, the only restrictions will be to protect the health system from collapsing, if you can't see that being important then I can't help you.

It's very important.
But, people are putting their faith in vaccines and reopening. Isn't that why we are getting vaccinated, otherwise whats the point.

But at some point life must go on

The point is you are
8 times less likely to contract Covid if Vaxxed
25 times less likely to be hospitalised
25 times less likely to die

That takes a lot of extra pressure off the health system and hopefully by the time we get to 80% it puts another downward pressure on this to enable our health system to function while we deal with this.

Well I hope that's right but some of the numbers other posters (who have not been downvoted) are mentioning (without links I might add, and please guys don't post links no need, just making a point) don't seem to correlate with that .

Anyway, respect your and others opinion in this but this is a very very serious long term matter which has the capacity to ruin people's lives long term one way or another.

If it's just about the public health system well perhaps under this national and international emergency the government could borrow and print another 200 billion or so on top of the trillion in debt for this over the last 2 years and build makeshift medical centres recruiting retired doctors and the many nurses who have left the industry because of poor pay on hugely upgraded pay on a short term basis from the minted money.
I'm sure the economic dividends will be worth it.

 

[cochise]

Maybe the different Vaccines UK mostly AZ .. Israel all Pfizer..

US all Pfizer and they arent getting the percentages that Israel are.

Heading in the wrong direction in America too now. 184,000 new infections there just yesterday, and 1,480 new deaths.

This is a real worry for the health situation and personal freedoms long term.

Only yesterday people would go after me for a post like this

Hope people downvote me

So what is your suggestion?


Thanks, back to rationality.

Obviously we have all made sacrifices social and lifestyle over the last 2 years and even worse some have got seriously ill and passed away sadly. For me and many others we have also taken big hits job, business and money wise some people will be permanently financially ruined because sadly the government support measures didn't help everyone. Certain things including footy club's will disappear, can't have no crowds or club's shut or semi open.

Can't have people like above posters into isolation away from families for 2 weeks for going to a supermarket fully vaxed, I mean hey if your vaxed and come down with a flu for a few days no big deal, life went on footy games were played. We need to make a decision .

But as free societies if we are indeed that we need perhaps the public to be asked to a vote in a plebiscite perhaps that if if we and 80 plus people are vaccinated life return to normal.

Or do we continue this way for many years. I can't believe restrictions like this would ever have been countenanced in the past even without vaccination let alone vaccinated.

Perhaps we can have a poll on this.
I'd love to know how people prefer this to go.

Once we hit 80%, the only restrictions will be to protect the health system from collapsing, if you can't see that being important then I can't help you.

It's very important.
But, people are putting their faith in vaccines and reopening. Isn't that why we are getting vaccinated, otherwise whats the point.

But at some point life must go on

The point is you are
8 times less likely to contract Covid if Vaxxed
25 times less likely to be hospitalised
25 times less likely to die

That takes a lot of extra pressure off the health system and hopefully by the time we get to 80% it puts another downward pressure on this to enable our health system to function while we deal with this.

Well I hope that's right but some of the numbers other posters (who have not been downvoted) are mentioning (without links I might add, and please guys don't post links no need, just making a point) don't seem to correlate with that .

Anyway, respect your and others opinion in this but this is a very very serious long term matter which has the capacity to ruin people's lives long term one way or another.

If it's just about the public health system well perhaps under this national and international emergency the government could borrow and print another 200 billion or so on top of the trillion in debt for this over the last 2 years and build makeshift medical centres recruiting retired doctors and the many nurses who have left the industry because of poor pay on hugely upgraded pay on a short term basis from the minted money.
I'm sure the economic dividends will be worth it.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html

There you go, we can stop this conversation now.

 

[BZN]

Glad Australia were at the head of the queue according to our PM, else we could be in lockdown as a result of being closer to the rear of the line and many months behind where we could be.


Its not a race

Hey jad.Im in the Southern Highlands NSW,Moss Vale...just had a phone call from my ex that the local IGA supermarket has been shut for deep cleaning...apparently a covid positive shopper has infected the place...recorded on Mon 30th Aug...I have been there shopping this week but havent had a call to isolate as of yet....wish me luck,doesnt look like I will be going to work just yet and our lockdown will probably be extended....cheers...

A bit off track @TrueTiger but what's the secret in still having your ex respectful towards you.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Maybe the different Vaccines UK mostly AZ .. Israel all Pfizer..

US all Pfizer and they arent getting the percentages that Israel are.

Heading in the wrong direction in America too now. 184,000 new infections there just yesterday, and 1,480 new deaths.

This is a real worry for the health situation and personal freedoms long term.

Only yesterday people would go after me for a post like this

Hope people downvote me

So what is your suggestion?


Thanks, back to rationality.

Obviously we have all made sacrifices social and lifestyle over the last 2 years and even worse some have got seriously ill and passed away sadly. For me and many others we have also taken big hits job, business and money wise some people will be permanently financially ruined because sadly the government support measures didn't help everyone. Certain things including footy club's will disappear, can't have no crowds or club's shut or semi open.

Can't have people like above posters into isolation away from families for 2 weeks for going to a supermarket fully vaxed, I mean hey if your vaxed and come down with a flu for a few days no big deal, life went on footy games were played. We need to make a decision .

But as free societies if we are indeed that we need perhaps the public to be asked to a vote in a plebiscite perhaps that if if we and 80 plus people are vaccinated life return to normal.

Or do we continue this way for many years. I can't believe restrictions like this would ever have been countenanced in the past even without vaccination let alone vaccinated.

Perhaps we can have a poll on this.
I'd love to know how people prefer this to go.

Once we hit 80%, the only restrictions will be to protect the health system from collapsing, if you can't see that being important then I can't help you.

It's very important.
But, people are putting their faith in vaccines and reopening. Isn't that why we are getting vaccinated, otherwise whats the point.

But at some point life must go on

The point is you are
8 times less likely to contract Covid if Vaxxed
25 times less likely to be hospitalised
25 times less likely to die

That takes a lot of extra pressure off the health system and hopefully by the time we get to 80% it puts another downward pressure on this to enable our health system to function while we deal with this.

Well I hope that's right but some of the numbers other posters (who have not been downvoted) are mentioning (without links I might add, and please guys don't post links no need, just making a point) don't seem to correlate with that .

Anyway, respect your and others opinion in this but this is a very very serious long term matter which has the capacity to ruin people's lives long term one way or another.

If it's just about the public health system well perhaps under this national and international emergency the government could borrow and print another 200 billion or so on top of the trillion in debt for this over the last 2 years and build makeshift medical centres recruiting retired doctors and the many nurses who have left the industry because of poor pay on hugely upgraded pay on a short term basis from the minted money.
I'm sure the economic dividends will be worth it.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html

There you go, we can stop this conversation now.

I read that article earlier today and believe it.

And following on from that there should be no further need for measures once we are at 80%

 

[TrueTiger]

Glad Australia were at the head of the queue according to our PM, else we could be in lockdown as a result of being closer to the rear of the line and many months behind where we could be.


Its not a race

Hey jad.Im in the Southern Highlands NSW,Moss Vale...just had a phone call from my ex that the local IGA supermarket has been shut for deep cleaning...apparently a covid positive shopper has infected the place...recorded on Mon 30th Aug...I have been there shopping this week but havent had a call to isolate as of yet....wish me luck,doesnt look like I will be going to work just yet and our lockdown will probably be extended....cheers...

A bit off track @TrueTiger but what's the secret in still having your ex respectful towards you.

I get on very well with the rest of her family....her sister and brother in law have 2 gorgeous kids,my niece and nephew....they absolutely love me and I do them...thats why I keep things as civil as I can....no good being sour for the rest of my life....

 

[BZN]

Glad Australia were at the head of the queue according to our PM, else we could be in lockdown as a result of being closer to the rear of the line and many months behind where we could be.


Its not a race

Hey jad.Im in the Southern Highlands NSW,Moss Vale...just had a phone call from my ex that the local IGA supermarket has been shut for deep cleaning...apparently a covid positive shopper has infected the place...recorded on Mon 30th Aug...I have been there shopping this week but havent had a call to isolate as of yet....wish me luck,doesnt look like I will be going to work just yet and our lockdown will probably be extended....cheers...

A bit off track @TrueTiger but what's the secret in still having your ex respectful towards you.

I get on very well with the rest of her family....her sister and brother in law have 2 gorgeous kids,my niece and nephew....they absolutely love me and I do them...thats why I keep things as civil as I can....no good being sour for the rest of my life....

Good onyuh @TrueTiger You've got your lifes priorities right, your a lucky man.

 

[cochise]

Maybe the different Vaccines UK mostly AZ .. Israel all Pfizer..

US all Pfizer and they arent getting the percentages that Israel are.

Heading in the wrong direction in America too now. 184,000 new infections there just yesterday, and 1,480 new deaths.

This is a real worry for the health situation and personal freedoms long term.

Only yesterday people would go after me for a post like this

Hope people downvote me

So what is your suggestion?


Thanks, back to rationality.

Obviously we have all made sacrifices social and lifestyle over the last 2 years and even worse some have got seriously ill and passed away sadly. For me and many others we have also taken big hits job, business and money wise some people will be permanently financially ruined because sadly the government support measures didn't help everyone. Certain things including footy club's will disappear, can't have no crowds or club's shut or semi open.

Can't have people like above posters into isolation away from families for 2 weeks for going to a supermarket fully vaxed, I mean hey if your vaxed and come down with a flu for a few days no big deal, life went on footy games were played. We need to make a decision .

But as free societies if we are indeed that we need perhaps the public to be asked to a vote in a plebiscite perhaps that if if we and 80 plus people are vaccinated life return to normal.

Or do we continue this way for many years. I can't believe restrictions like this would ever have been countenanced in the past even without vaccination let alone vaccinated.

Perhaps we can have a poll on this.
I'd love to know how people prefer this to go.

Once we hit 80%, the only restrictions will be to protect the health system from collapsing, if you can't see that being important then I can't help you.

It's very important.
But, people are putting their faith in vaccines and reopening. Isn't that why we are getting vaccinated, otherwise whats the point.

But at some point life must go on

The point is you are
8 times less likely to contract Covid if Vaxxed
25 times less likely to be hospitalised
25 times less likely to die

That takes a lot of extra pressure off the health system and hopefully by the time we get to 80% it puts another downward pressure on this to enable our health system to function while we deal with this.

Well I hope that's right but some of the numbers other posters (who have not been downvoted) are mentioning (without links I might add, and please guys don't post links no need, just making a point) don't seem to correlate with that .

Anyway, respect your and others opinion in this but this is a very very serious long term matter which has the capacity to ruin people's lives long term one way or another.

If it's just about the public health system well perhaps under this national and international emergency the government could borrow and print another 200 billion or so on top of the trillion in debt for this over the last 2 years and build makeshift medical centres recruiting retired doctors and the many nurses who have left the industry because of poor pay on hugely upgraded pay on a short term basis from the minted money.
I'm sure the economic dividends will be worth it.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html

There you go, we can stop this conversation now.

I read that article earlier today and believe it.

And following on from that there should be no further need for measures once we are at 80%

Depends if the health system can cope, I can see you are just playing stupid games so that is the end of my engaging in this conversation with you.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Professor McCaw of the University of Melbourne/Doherty Institute said the 80% reopening is contingent upon a number of requirements including very few cases in the community. Even Gladys couldn't stand in front of the cameras at 11am suggesting 1000s per day is very few and won't continue to overwhelm contact tracing and our health system.

Epidemiologist on 9 advised the following in the context of reopening of Australia -

First line of defence is no virus and maintain borders.
Second line of defence is reduce virus in the community.

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised results from UK confirm -

AZ is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations and the immunity from it lasts longer.

 

[nuggetron]

Contract Tracers in NSW are a week behind in checking its crazy.
They are now looking to recruit extra contact tracers via nurses and getting some of them to to overtime contact tracing
Not sure what happens at present if you are a close contact and double vaccinated do you need to isolate for 14 days ?

It's not just contract tracers, my wife is an OT and will have an extra shift on Saturday making phone calls to covid positive cases to do welfare checks. The entire system is being smashed at present.

public servant here and we have been asked if we want to do a secondment to help out contract tracing

 

[Snake]

Professor McCaw of the University of Melbourne/Doherty Institute said the 80% reopening is contingent upon a number of requirements including very few cases in the community. Even Gladys couldn't stand in front of the cameras at 11am suggesting 1000s per day is very few and won't continue to overwhelm contact tracing and our health system.

Epidemiologist on 9 advised the following in the context of reopening of Australia -

First line of defence is no virus and maintain borders.
Second line of defence is reduce virus in the community.

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised results from UK confirm -

AZ is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations and the immunity from it lasts longer.

I read the same thing that AZ is the better of the 2 for hospitalisations,immunity and lasting longer ..as someone posted yesterday why there was a difference between Israel and the UK two different vaccines maybe!

 

[Tim Sheens]

Maybe the different Vaccines UK mostly AZ .. Israel all Pfizer..

US all Pfizer and they arent getting the percentages that Israel are.

Heading in the wrong direction in America too now. 184,000 new infections there just yesterday, and 1,480 new deaths.

This is a real worry for the health situation and personal freedoms long term.

Only yesterday people would go after me for a post like this

Hope people downvote me

UK recorded over 35,000 new cases and 207 deaths yesterday. Re-opening is not going well. It's the highest death toll since 231 deaths were recorded on 9 March 21.
To make it worse, these figures come after a bank holiday weekend when there is traditionally a lag in numbers.

The UK is still only at 64% vaccination rate. Hopefully 70-80% is enough to keep a lid of things.

Yes, but isn't that **64%** of the **total** population, being **equal** to the **80%** figure that we are using in Australia? Plus they are now nearing the end of their school holidays, so expect that cases will rise when this unprotected cohort returns to their classrooms.

 

 

[Papacito]

This is in the August 10 update of the Doherty report:

*Ongoing situational assessment of measured transmission potential and circulating SARS-CoV-2
variants in the Australian population over coming months will allow benchmarking of these
hypothetical scenarios to guide real time policy decision making about the transition to Phase B
of the National Plan.*

Sounds like there's a whole next step that's either being ignored or people aren't being told about?

 

[tigger]

This is in the August 10 update of the Doherty report:

*Ongoing situational assessment of measured transmission potential and circulating SARS-CoV-2
variants in the Australian population over coming months will allow benchmarking of these
hypothetical scenarios to guide real time policy decision making about the transition to Phase B
of the National Plan.*

Sounds like there's a whole next step that's either being ignored or people aren't being told about?

Wow! That's really convoluted language.

Do they mean that they're going to check what's actually happening over the next couple of months against what they said would happen and then make an assessment of the accuracy of their forecast models?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

What we do have is a crisis in Far Western NSW now! 12% of the indigenous community of Wilcannia is Covid positive. Less than 10% of indigenous people vaccinated.

***This isn't that land I thought it would be, it's not so equal and not so free.***

 

[Pascoes_barber]

What we do have is a crisis in Far Western NSW now! 12% of the indigenous community of Wilcannia is Covid positive. Less than 10% of indigenous people vaccinated.

It's absolutely shameful. Add to that Government ministers gaslighting them by blaming it on 'vaccine hesitancy'


***This isn't that land I thought it would be, it's not so equal and not so free.***

I could've told you that prior to COVID arriving.

The average life expectancy in Wilcannia is 37 (M) and 42 (F).