Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tim Sheens]

I have made a few posts on here expressing concern about rates of infections and deaths in countries with relatively high vaccination rates, such as Israel, Britain, America.

I just want to be very clear, in case my motives for posting that have been misconstrued:
- those countries would be in a far, far worse situation without their high vaccination rates
- high vaccination rates are essential for our country going forward
- everyone should get vaccinated if you haven't already

These though are valid concerns, just as are their natural immunity and the normal death rates of influenza etcetera.

We are being bombarded with a propaganda barrage unprecedented in my memory, including the terror and going to war in Iraq rubbish. Watching the NSW presser becomes more and more a promotional exercise as the days roll on and for mine the Doherty model is being misrepresented in a somewhat similar manner to that a two decades ago.

 

[cochise]

1400 plus more cases

Surely Sydney's hospital ICU's must be at breaking point ......

It is not just the ICUs, other wards are being converted to covid wards which then means those wards are being decanted to other locations. The hospitals are in trouble.

 

[tigger]

Measures will need to be taken still to stop the hospitals from collapsing. We will have a lot more freedom again once vaccinations are in the targets we need them to be. Yeah we’ll probably still need to wear masks and keep sanitising more than we once did but small price to pay to be able to jump on a plane or have a beer.

Too true.
I don't want to be sick (from any cause, but particularly from one that might kill me) and I don't want to be passing sickness on to others. I feel like it's about taking every opportunity to lower the risk.
I'm really looking forward to lockdowns ending, but when they do I'll be happy to be fully vaccinated (I already am), to have booster shots if necessary, to wear a mask in public places and to sanitise my hands. I don't see these things as curtailing my freedom. Doing these things is just playing the percentages in my favour to stay well and to help keep those around me free from illness. I feel fortunate to have good health advice to steer me away from poor choices.
I really struggle to get my head around the thought processes of people who see those measures as an attack on their freedoms.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Professor McCaw of the University of Melbourne/Doherty Institute said the 80% reopening is contingent upon a number of requirements including very few cases in the community. Even Gladys couldn't stand in front of the cameras at 11am suggesting 1000s per day is very few and won't continue to overwhelm contact tracing and our health system.

Epidemiologist on 9 advised the following in the context of reopening of Australia -

First line of defence is no virus and maintain borders.
Second line of defence is reduce virus in the community.

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised results from UK confirm -

AZ is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations and the immunity from it lasts longer.

If I didn't have existing clotting complications due to medication I would have got AZ months ago.

I sincerely hope you were offered alternatives due to your medication.
If not that is a farce.
Australia should have procured small amounts of alternatives right from the very beginning to cater for these situations

 

[happy_tiger]

1400 plus more cases

Surely Sydney's hospital ICU's must be at breaking point ......

It is not just the ICUs, other wards are being converted to covid wards which then means those wards are being decanted to other locations. The hospitals are in trouble.

Your at Day 70 ...why hasn't Glady's created a space solely for Covid patients ......

 

[Tim Sheens]

Measures will need to be taken still to stop the hospitals from collapsing. We will have a lot more freedom again once vaccinations are in the targets we need them to be. Yeah we’ll probably still need to wear masks and keep sanitising more than we once did but small price to pay to be able to jump on a plane or have a beer.

Too true.
I don't want to be sick (from any cause, but particularly from one that might kill me) and I don't want to be passing sickness on to others. I feel like it's about taking every opportunity to lower the risk.
I'm really looking forward to lockdowns ending, but when they do I'll be happy to be fully vaccinated (I already am), to have booster shots if necessary, to wear a mask in public places and to sanitise my hands. I don't see these things as curtailing my freedom. Doing these things is just playing the percentages in my favour to stay well and to help keep those around me free from illness. I feel fortunate to have good health advice to steer me away from poor choices.
I really struggle to get my head around the thought processes of people who see those measures as an attack on their freedoms.

My hope, which is raised by some of change of heart amongst this forum that apart from being male dominated has reasonable diversity, is that in the not too distant future, covid vaccination will mirror levels of other protection rates in Australia so that we can live without discrimination on our shores.

 

[tigger]

I have made a few posts on here expressing concern about rates of infections and deaths in countries with relatively high vaccination rates, such as Israel, Britain, America.

I just want to be very clear, in case my motives for posting that have been misconstrued:
- those countries would be in a far, far worse situation without their high vaccination rates
- high vaccination rates are essential for our country going forward
- everyone should get vaccinated if you haven't already

These though are valid concerns, just as are their natural immunity and the normal death rates of influenza etcetera.

We are being bombarded with a propaganda barrage unprecedented in my memory, including the terror and going to war in Iraq rubbish. Watching the NSW presser becomes more and more a promotional exercise as the days roll on and for mine the Doherty model is being misrepresented in a somewhat similar manner to that a two decades ago.

I think the problem is that the Doherty report is being presented to us as the holy grail, the way out of this crisis. (There has even been one poster on here who has basically said that it is "science", and cannot be challenged, and any attempt to do so is politicising the Covid crisis).

I have no doubt that the Doherty report is a very good piece of work, but it is essentially forecast modelling. That means that it will be based on a set of assumptions and it is not unreasonable to question whether those assumptions are sound. In fact, I would go so far as to say that if our elected representatives **aren't** questioning those assumptions, then they're not doing their jobs.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

What we do have is a crisis in Far Western NSW now! 12% of the indigenous community of Wilcannia is Covid positive. Less than 10% of indigenous people vaccinated.

***This isn't that land I thought it would be, it's not so equal and not so free.***

Indigenous people especially in remote locations should have been offered first choice in vaccination as well as sanitizer etc as a mark of respect and for health reasons.

NZ got that right with their outlook with this virus from the beginning after the horror death rate amongst Maori during Spanish flu.

 

[Tiger5150]

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised ***results from UK confirm*** -

A***Z is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations*** and the immunity from it lasts longer.

Im somewhat hesitant to say this guy is lying but results of studies commissioned by Public Health England and published by the UK Govt show that both are effective at preventing hospitalisations but Pfizer the better vaccine at both preventing infection and preventing hospitalisation.

I understand that people want to remove AZ hesitancy, but misinformation shouldnt be the way to do it (unless there are other credible studies the guy is referencing?).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

This is a leading epidemiologist who is not from NSW. His advice was quite clear.

Sure and Im not an epidemiologist and dont claim any greater knowledge, just making the point that his clear advice seems to contradict the advice of the UK Govt and Public Health England and he referemced the UK. Would love to know what his advice was based on.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

Why don''t you just accept his advice as the expert in his field.

To answer your question directly, I have no idea who he is and it directly contradicts the advice of the UK Govt and Public Health England. Much has been made of the expert advice of Dr Robert Malone the "inventor of mRNA delivery technology" but I wont be taking his advice because I have looked at the actual data and made my own risk analysis and decided it is the right decision for me to get vaccinated. I could find you a youtube video of a doctor recommending against vaccinations in minutes. There has been so much wrong and conflicting information provided that because some Doctor on Channel 9 said something Im not going to take that as gospel, particularly when he claims its UK studies but it clearly goes against published advice of the UK Govt.

Ok Ive answered your question, here is a question for you to answer.

Why don''t you just accept the advice of the top UK health body and Govt as clearly spelled out in the link below..

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

 

[swag_tiger]

Some good news is 70% of NSW have had their 1st dose.

 

[BZN]

Professor McCaw of the University of Melbourne/Doherty Institute said the 80% reopening is contingent upon a number of requirements including very few cases in the community. Even Gladys couldn't stand in front of the cameras at 11am suggesting 1000s per day is very few and won't continue to overwhelm contact tracing and our health system.

Epidemiologist on 9 advised the following in the context of reopening of Australia -

First line of defence is no virus and maintain borders.
Second line of defence is reduce virus in the community.

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised results from UK confirm -

AZ is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations and the immunity from it lasts longer.

If I didn't have existing clotting complications due to medication I would have got AZ months ago.

I sincerely hope you were offered alternatives due to your medication.
If not that is a farce.
Australia should have procured small amounts of alternatives right from the very beginning to cater for these situations

I've just noticed you have zooooomed ahead in the plus minus ratings here on the Forum recently.
Keep up the good work @magpie_magic

 

[Tiger5150]

1400 plus more cases

Surely Sydney's hospital ICU's must be at breaking point ......

It is not just the ICUs, other wards are being converted to covid wards which then means those wards are being decanted to other locations. The hospitals are in trouble.

Your at Day 70 ...why hasn't Glady's created a space solely for Covid patients ......

Because of the incredible infrastructure needed (oxygen etc) is already in place in hositals?

 

[Tim Sheens]

Professor McCaw of the University of Melbourne/Doherty Institute said the 80% reopening is contingent upon a number of requirements including very few cases in the community. Even Gladys couldn't stand in front of the cameras at 11am suggesting 1000s per day is very few and won't continue to overwhelm contact tracing and our health system.

Epidemiologist on 9 advised the following in the context of reopening of Australia -

First line of defence is no virus and maintain borders.
Second line of defence is reduce virus in the community.

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised results from UK confirm -

AZ is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations and the immunity from it lasts longer.

If I didn't have existing clotting complications due to medication I would have got AZ months ago.

I sincerely hope you were offered alternatives due to your medication.
If not that is a farce.
Australia should have procured small amounts of alternatives right from the very beginning to cater for these situations

I've just noticed you have zooooomed ahead in the plus minus ratings recently.
Keep up the good work @magpie_magic

I am concerned with these figures and that you haven't provided a link for this assertion 63 🙂

 

[happy_tiger]

1400 plus more cases

Surely Sydney's hospital ICU's must be at breaking point ......

It is not just the ICUs, other wards are being converted to covid wards which then means those wards are being decanted to other locations. The hospitals are in trouble.

Your at Day 70 ...why hasn't Glady's created a space solely for Covid patients ......

Because of the incredible infrastructure needed (oxygen etc) is already in place in hositals?

Yeah so have one hospital dealing with all of this .....

 

[Tim Sheens]

1400 plus more cases

Surely Sydney's hospital ICU's must be at breaking point ......

It is not just the ICUs, other wards are being converted to covid wards which then means those wards are being decanted to other locations. The hospitals are in trouble.

Your at Day 70 ...why hasn't Glady's created a space solely for Covid patients ......

Because of the incredible infrastructure needed (oxygen etc) is already in place in hositals?

Logistics, distance, time, resources ....... ....... .....

 

[Tim Sheens]

1400 plus more cases

Surely Sydney's hospital ICU's must be at breaking point ......

It is not just the ICUs, other wards are being converted to covid wards which then means those wards are being decanted to other locations. The hospitals are in trouble.

Your at Day 70 ...why hasn't Glady's created a space solely for Covid patients ......

Because of the incredible infrastructure needed (oxygen etc) is already in place in hositals?

Yeah so have one hospital dealing with all of this .....

It's just not practical, temporary premises are another matter.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Congratulations to the federal government for obtaining another 4 million early doses of Pfizer from the UK.

Does not excuse the failures that have us living in many months of lockdown, but still good to see.

 

[cochise]

Surely our health department is close to breaking point.

We will get through it, but the next couple of months is going to be horrible.

 

[cochise]

1400 plus more cases

Surely Sydney's hospital ICU's must be at breaking point ......

It is not just the ICUs, other wards are being converted to covid wards which then means those wards are being decanted to other locations. The hospitals are in trouble.

Your at Day 70 ...why hasn't Glady's created a space solely for Covid patients ......

We will have covid only hospitals shortly

 

[happy_tiger]

1400 plus more cases

Surely Sydney's hospital ICU's must be at breaking point ......

It is not just the ICUs, other wards are being converted to covid wards which then means those wards are being decanted to other locations. The hospitals are in trouble.

Your at Day 70 ...why hasn't Glady's created a space solely for Covid patients ......

We will have covid only hospitals shortly

Its insane ...you send people home to infect their entire family ....