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@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514358) said:
@chicken_faced_killa said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514349) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514301) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514293) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514252) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514242) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514172) said:
Some people still seem to take MSM as gospel and the Govt as their friend...

How about Sutton the health minister in Vic declaring that the polititions are exempt from the JAB because its law..

So much for a deadly strain ...it seems to only target normal everyday people who think they have to take their advice,..,.,

wake up and open your eyes...Omicron just happen to come out of South Africa with the least amount of national vax ...6% of the country....gee lets get them all vaxxed..when they were doing really well without vaccines...
And all of a sudden its here in Aust because a tourist arrived in Aust and went all over the central coast while INFECTED...BS..they are supposed to test negative at arrival and quarantine until cleared ...more lies and crap.....but anyway play on peeps...

Never taken any medicine, prescription drugs ?
Vaccinated as a kid for measles mumps etc?
Youre helping your "Big Pharma" :face_with_rolling_eyes: out

Got as tax file no?
Yep...like most of us,...Big Bro Govt controlling us all...they also decide on the laws most of us abide by...or are ''controlled by''

Mate I have had heaps of vaccines,smallpox,measles.chicken pox,polio and tetanus...all had years of development before being approved for human use...
This experimental drug is not FDA approved and is only approved for emergency use...the animals that it was tested on ALL DIED and yet here you all are defending something that big pharma and the polititions are making huge money off...ITS NOT ABOUT HEALTH...do some research...you are entitled to your opinion Mark and Iam to mine...I have done hours and hours of research to come to my decision...its my free choice...

You sound like every conspiracy theorist Ive read for the last 18 months...you all love saying ''big pharma''
BTW...youtube is not research...its surfing the net, which is swimming in BS
Research...haha

Yeah mate keep defending the narrative....I dont go to youtube but then again it would be the most popular for the con theorists...say what you like,smear me,bag me,critique me for having an opinion of my own...I dont fear anyone or a flu like made up bs virus...as I said the Ministers in Govt are exempt from the jab but mandate it for us...one day you and others will wake up..but your entitled to your opinion...

The one piece of the puzzle I don’t understand is how they convinced every government across the world to go along with the conspiracy. Do you know how they managed it to run so deep and for so long? That is a lot of commitment.

I often feel like asking which government are they talking about ? Is it China ? America ? Australia ? Is the WHO are government ? What about the CDC ? What about all the medical bodies ?

It’s just the vibe.
 
@bagnf05 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514348) said:
@leichhardtjunior said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514344) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514311) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514301) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514293) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514252) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514242) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514172) said:
Some people still seem to take MSM as gospel and the Govt as their friend...

How about Sutton the health minister in Vic declaring that the polititions are exempt from the JAB because its law..

So much for a deadly strain ...it seems to only target normal everyday people who think they have to take their advice,..,.,

wake up and open your eyes...Omicron just happen to come out of South Africa with the least amount of national vax ...6% of the country....gee lets get them all vaxxed..when they were doing really well without vaccines...
And all of a sudden its here in Aust because a tourist arrived in Aust and went all over the central coast while INFECTED...BS..they are supposed to test negative at arrival and quarantine until cleared ...more lies and crap.....but anyway play on peeps...

Never taken any medicine, prescription drugs ?
Vaccinated as a kid for measles mumps etc?
Youre helping your "Big Pharma" :face_with_rolling_eyes: out

Got as tax file no?
Yep...like most of us,...Big Bro Govt controlling us all...they also decide on the laws most of us abide by...or are ''controlled by''

Mate I have had heaps of vaccines,smallpox,measles.chicken pox,polio and tetanus...all had years of development before being approved for human use...
This experimental drug is not FDA approved and is only approved for emergency use...the animals that it was tested on ALL DIED and yet here you all are defending something that big pharma and the polititions are making huge money off...ITS NOT ABOUT HEALTH...do some research...you are entitled to your opinion Mark and Iam to mine...I have done hours and hours of research to come to my decision...its my free choice...

You sound like every conspiracy theorist Ive read for the last 18 months...you all love saying ''big pharma''
BTW...youtube is not research...its surfing the net, which is swimming in BS
Research...haha

Yeah mate keep defending the narrative....I dont go to youtube but then again it would be the most popular for the con theorists...say what you like,smear me,bag me,critique me for having an opinion of my own...I dont fear anyone or a flu like made up bs virus...as I said the Ministers in Govt are exempt from the jab but mandate it for us...one day you and others will wake up..but your entitled to your opinion...

Well I hope you don't fear the virus when you Contract it, because it's spreading now... specially as you're not vaxxed.... You'll probably end up.on a ventilator, pretty nasty apparently.... I'll pass on your thoughts on this BS flu to my close friend

More alarmist CRAP which is NOT supported by FACTS or STATISTICS. The SURVIVAL rate IS above 99.5% Ink.
And the VAST majority of those unfortunate victims are of ADVANCED AGE WITH MULTIPLE CO-MORBIDITIES .
Do your maths drama queen.

Do people pushing this 99.5% stat realise that’s 5 in every 1,000 people. It would be pretty catastrophic if 5 kids in every high school like the one I went to died yeah?

Even if that figure was correct, it would only lay there because of mitigation measures, else we would have seen the people that were dying on the streets of Wuhan mirrored around the globe.

My analogy on such numbers relates to how many of the largest crowd that I was a part of would I be comfortable to not do everything reasonable to save the lives of as many as I could.

For me that would be losing 5,400 of the souls that shared Stadium Australia on it's NRL record attendance day and I would take a hundred plus doses of the vaccine if it could have saved the life of the primary school boy that died in recent weeks.
 
@bagnf05 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514354) said:
@leichhardtjunior said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514351) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514345) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1513926) said:
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1513919) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1513918) said:
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1513917) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1513904) said:
@go_you_good_things said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1513890) said:
@shiretiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1513815) said:
Official government statistics as at 29.11.21

[Department of Health statistics](https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics)

195,627 cases in Australians aged less than 70. 396 deaths. **Survival rate: 99.7976%**

11,596 cases in Australians aged greater than 70. 1,596 deaths. **Survival rate: 86.2366%**

Here is a scoop for free: old people die every day of the week.

MSM - Omicron is here. We are going to die.

And be very wary of the published "death rates". A very close friend of mine lost his mum recently. The usual accumulation of conditions that come with very old age. Once she had passed, the nurse in the hospital unit wanted to list the cause of death as covid. My friend didn't want this, because she didn't die from covid The nurse's logic ? . . . " she had breathing difficulties", and so she died from covid. I'm no doctor, but you'd think that most old folks on their last legs will have breathing difficulties. Now, I might be all conspiracy theory here, but it seems to me like they are trying to falsify death rates resulting from covid.
And strangely, with the media so hell bent on ravaging those who choose not to be vaxxed, it was confusing ( or misleading) when early in the piece, there were daily media reports of case numbers and deaths *from* *covid*. Then one day, out of the blue, there were case numbers, and just deaths. The inference of course was that they died from covid, but as ST said, old people die every day.
But surely they weren't lying about all them deaths that were reported by them to have been caused by covid ?
I look forward to the self appointed on here telling me where I'm wrong. It'll be interesting, coz I'm not wrong, but I look forward to the "education".

Funny thing that people who died of heart attack,stroke or car accidents were recorded deaths due to covid...
also the terminology they use...

DIED OF COVID....

DIED WITH COVID...
Can they please explain.....

Where did you get this information, I highly doubt they will record someone who died as a result of a car crash as dying with Covid. I call BS on that.

Call it what you like ...do your research ...I had to...

Did you look at it from both points of view or did you just search up what you wanted to see? To do research properly you need both sides. Searching just want you want to be true is biased research.

Heres a hint swag...I do see both sides of the argument or otherwise I would be biased...
Dr Fauci the child,dog killer stopped Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and HLQ so he could promote an experimental vaccine on the people because he is a corupt health expert...he told the hospitals in the USA to use a drug called Remdesiver and put people on ventalators...that was a death sentence because Rem has a mortality rate of 54% when used with ventilators...
once again swag,I did my research and it was difficult to fathom the evil crap that some people in high places have...
Drs were told that the hospitals would receive $$$ to record as many deaths as possible down to covid so they could push the vax....
funny how the polititions are mandating the vax and segregating the communities,however more and more people are waking up...
do some reasearch..Dr Dave Martin..Prof Yeadon.. Dr K. Kingston....they could help you understand...

Whose mandating the vax, I have friends and family who are happily unvaxxed? No govt officials at their doorsteps?

You like to paint pretty pictures that suit you don’t you.
The construction industry says hi ?

That’s your employer not the govt. you choose your job. I know this pandemic has caused awful suffering for many, Scomo didn’t start it though.

Sorry, are you saying that the NSW government didn’t mandate that construction workers in LGA’s MUST BE VACCINATED TO GO TO WORK?
Mate I was there. I have MANY colleagues that had to get vaxxed AGAINST THEIR WILL to avoid financial ruin. You can twist it anyway it makes you feel good but you’re talking crap. The government 100% is using industry and employers to do their work via proxy. All the while you’re mate Scomo declares “oh no we’d never mandate vaccination, we’re a free country”!
You blokes are all the same, you claim you don’t care if people choose not to be vaccinated but then you twist the truth and the knife every chance you get. You’re a bunch of weak bigots who can’t admit it.
Earl with your spiteful digs at TT and now the rest of you jumping in with your narcissistic passive aggressive crap. You’re shameful the lot of you.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514358) said:
@chicken_faced_killa said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514349) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514301) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514293) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514252) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514242) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514172) said:
Some people still seem to take MSM as gospel and the Govt as their friend...

How about Sutton the health minister in Vic declaring that the polititions are exempt from the JAB because its law..

So much for a deadly strain ...it seems to only target normal everyday people who think they have to take their advice,..,.,

wake up and open your eyes...Omicron just happen to come out of South Africa with the least amount of national vax ...6% of the country....gee lets get them all vaxxed..when they were doing really well without vaccines...
And all of a sudden its here in Aust because a tourist arrived in Aust and went all over the central coast while INFECTED...BS..they are supposed to test negative at arrival and quarantine until cleared ...more lies and crap.....but anyway play on peeps...

Never taken any medicine, prescription drugs ?
Vaccinated as a kid for measles mumps etc?
Youre helping your "Big Pharma" :face_with_rolling_eyes: out

Got as tax file no?
Yep...like most of us,...Big Bro Govt controlling us all...they also decide on the laws most of us abide by...or are ''controlled by''

Mate I have had heaps of vaccines,smallpox,measles.chicken pox,polio and tetanus...all had years of development before being approved for human use...
This experimental drug is not FDA approved and is only approved for emergency use...the animals that it was tested on ALL DIED and yet here you all are defending something that big pharma and the polititions are making huge money off...ITS NOT ABOUT HEALTH...do some research...you are entitled to your opinion Mark and Iam to mine...I have done hours and hours of research to come to my decision...its my free choice...

You sound like every conspiracy theorist Ive read for the last 18 months...you all love saying ''big pharma''
BTW...youtube is not research...its surfing the net, which is swimming in BS
Research...haha

Yeah mate keep defending the narrative....I dont go to youtube but then again it would be the most popular for the con theorists...say what you like,smear me,bag me,critique me for having an opinion of my own...I dont fear anyone or a flu like made up bs virus...as I said the Ministers in Govt are exempt from the jab but mandate it for us...one day you and others will wake up..but your entitled to your opinion...

The one piece of the puzzle I don’t understand is how they convinced every government across the world to go along with the conspiracy. Do you know how they managed it to run so deep and for so long? That is a lot of commitment.

I often feel like asking which government are they talking about ? Is it China ? America ? Australia ? Is the WHO are government ? What about the CDC ? What about all the medical bodies ?

Don't forget all the MSM's that have to fall into line as well.... One hell of a secret 'spiracy eh.
It's odd... Usually journos are looking for that big breaking scoop that will put them in the limelight, but they're all towing the line too
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514360) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514348) said:
@leichhardtjunior said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514344) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514311) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514301) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514293) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514252) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514242) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514172) said:
Some people still seem to take MSM as gospel and the Govt as their friend...

How about Sutton the health minister in Vic declaring that the polititions are exempt from the JAB because its law..

So much for a deadly strain ...it seems to only target normal everyday people who think they have to take their advice,..,.,

wake up and open your eyes...Omicron just happen to come out of South Africa with the least amount of national vax ...6% of the country....gee lets get them all vaxxed..when they were doing really well without vaccines...
And all of a sudden its here in Aust because a tourist arrived in Aust and went all over the central coast while INFECTED...BS..they are supposed to test negative at arrival and quarantine until cleared ...more lies and crap.....but anyway play on peeps...

Never taken any medicine, prescription drugs ?
Vaccinated as a kid for measles mumps etc?
Youre helping your "Big Pharma" :face_with_rolling_eyes: out

Got as tax file no?
Yep...like most of us,...Big Bro Govt controlling us all...they also decide on the laws most of us abide by...or are ''controlled by''

Mate I have had heaps of vaccines,smallpox,measles.chicken pox,polio and tetanus...all had years of development before being approved for human use...
This experimental drug is not FDA approved and is only approved for emergency use...the animals that it was tested on ALL DIED and yet here you all are defending something that big pharma and the polititions are making huge money off...ITS NOT ABOUT HEALTH...do some research...you are entitled to your opinion Mark and Iam to mine...I have done hours and hours of research to come to my decision...its my free choice...

You sound like every conspiracy theorist Ive read for the last 18 months...you all love saying ''big pharma''
BTW...youtube is not research...its surfing the net, which is swimming in BS
Research...haha

Yeah mate keep defending the narrative....I dont go to youtube but then again it would be the most popular for the con theorists...say what you like,smear me,bag me,critique me for having an opinion of my own...I dont fear anyone or a flu like made up bs virus...as I said the Ministers in Govt are exempt from the jab but mandate it for us...one day you and others will wake up..but your entitled to your opinion...

Well I hope you don't fear the virus when you Contract it, because it's spreading now... specially as you're not vaxxed.... You'll probably end up.on a ventilator, pretty nasty apparently.... I'll pass on your thoughts on this BS flu to my close friend

More alarmist CRAP which is NOT supported by FACTS or STATISTICS. The SURVIVAL rate IS above 99.5% Ink.
And the VAST majority of those unfortunate victims are of ADVANCED AGE WITH MULTIPLE CO-MORBIDITIES .
Do your maths drama queen.

Do people pushing this 99.5% stat realise that’s 5 in every 1,000 people. It would be pretty catastrophic if 5 kids in every high school like the one I went to died yeah?

Even if that figure was correct, it would only lay there because of mitigation measures, else we would have seen the people that were dying on the streets of Wuhan mirrored around the globe.

My analogy on such numbers relates to how many of the largest crowd that I was a part of would I be comfortable to not do everything reasonable to save the lives of as many as I could.

For me that would be losing 5,400 of the souls that shared Stadium Australia on it's NRL record attendance day and I would take a hundred plus doses of the vaccine if it could have saved the life of the primary school boy that died in recent weeks.

Exactly mate easy to type 99.5% like it’s a big number. 5,400 deaths means more to me.
 
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100674428

Omicron includes a spike protein mutation that makes it more infectious, but also includes a mutation on the spike protein that may allow it to reduce vaccine effectiveness," Palmer says.

When the virus is studied from another direction — by exploring the nucleocapsid, another viral protein which contributes to viral replication, rather than the spike protein — Palmer says her team found Omicron may have been created by what's called a "recombination" – a supercharged love child of the early Alpha variant plus Delta, something that has not been found in SARS-CoV-2 until now.
 
The latest news isn't good on Omicron for the natural immunity argument. It's stating that people that caught COVID without being vaccinated have a higher chance of catching Omicron than if they didn't catch it. So if you had COVID previously you are more likely to catch Omicron rather than less likely. This is pretty bad in relation to catching COVID.

The hole in this piece of data is that personally I'm less worried about infection compared to how virulent the virus is. If it doesn't affect people that much then maybe we can stop worrying about COVID.

I assume that this will mean the vaccine is definitely less effective but the anti-vax narrative is not holding up well at all so far. We also don't know this yet.

My assumption is that people who have caught COVID in the past are more likely to catch it again because of the way they live their lives. So maybe younger people going out more or something like that.

This isn't peer reviewed yet. It's just new. So don't take it as gospel.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.11.21266068v2.full.pdf
 
@leichhardtjunior said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514361) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514354) said:
@leichhardtjunior said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514351) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514345) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1513926) said:
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1513919) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1513918) said:
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1513917) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1513904) said:
@go_you_good_things said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1513890) said:
@shiretiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1513815) said:
Official government statistics as at 29.11.21

[Department of Health statistics](https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics)

195,627 cases in Australians aged less than 70. 396 deaths. **Survival rate: 99.7976%**

11,596 cases in Australians aged greater than 70. 1,596 deaths. **Survival rate: 86.2366%**

Here is a scoop for free: old people die every day of the week.

MSM - Omicron is here. We are going to die.

And be very wary of the published "death rates". A very close friend of mine lost his mum recently. The usual accumulation of conditions that come with very old age. Once she had passed, the nurse in the hospital unit wanted to list the cause of death as covid. My friend didn't want this, because she didn't die from covid The nurse's logic ? . . . " she had breathing difficulties", and so she died from covid. I'm no doctor, but you'd think that most old folks on their last legs will have breathing difficulties. Now, I might be all conspiracy theory here, but it seems to me like they are trying to falsify death rates resulting from covid.
And strangely, with the media so hell bent on ravaging those who choose not to be vaxxed, it was confusing ( or misleading) when early in the piece, there were daily media reports of case numbers and deaths *from* *covid*. Then one day, out of the blue, there were case numbers, and just deaths. The inference of course was that they died from covid, but as ST said, old people die every day.
But surely they weren't lying about all them deaths that were reported by them to have been caused by covid ?
I look forward to the self appointed on here telling me where I'm wrong. It'll be interesting, coz I'm not wrong, but I look forward to the "education".

Funny thing that people who died of heart attack,stroke or car accidents were recorded deaths due to covid...
also the terminology they use...

DIED OF COVID....

DIED WITH COVID...
Can they please explain.....

Where did you get this information, I highly doubt they will record someone who died as a result of a car crash as dying with Covid. I call BS on that.

Call it what you like ...do your research ...I had to...

Did you look at it from both points of view or did you just search up what you wanted to see? To do research properly you need both sides. Searching just want you want to be true is biased research.

Heres a hint swag...I do see both sides of the argument or otherwise I would be biased...
Dr Fauci the child,dog killer stopped Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) and HLQ so he could promote an experimental vaccine on the people because he is a corupt health expert...he told the hospitals in the USA to use a drug called Remdesiver and put people on ventalators...that was a death sentence because Rem has a mortality rate of 54% when used with ventilators...
once again swag,I did my research and it was difficult to fathom the evil crap that some people in high places have...
Drs were told that the hospitals would receive $$$ to record as many deaths as possible down to covid so they could push the vax....
funny how the polititions are mandating the vax and segregating the communities,however more and more people are waking up...
do some reasearch..Dr Dave Martin..Prof Yeadon.. Dr K. Kingston....they could help you understand...

Whose mandating the vax, I have friends and family who are happily unvaxxed? No govt officials at their doorsteps?

You like to paint pretty pictures that suit you don’t you.
The construction industry says hi ?

That’s your employer not the govt. you choose your job. I know this pandemic has caused awful suffering for many, Scomo didn’t start it though.

Sorry, are you saying that the NSW government didn’t mandate that construction workers in LGA’s MUST BE VACCINATED TO GO TO WORK?
Mate I was there. I have MANY colleagues that had to get vaxxed AGAINST THEIR WILL to avoid financial ruin. You can twist it anyway it makes you feel good but you’re talking crap. The government 100% is using industry and employers to do their work via proxy. All the while you’re mate Scomo declares “oh no we’d never mandate vaccination, we’re a free country”!
You blokes are all the same, you claim you don’t care if people choose not to be vaccinated but then you twist the truth and the knife every chance you get. You’re a bunch of weak bigots who can’t admit it.
Earl with your spiteful digs at TT and now the rest of you jumping in with your narcissistic passive aggressive crap. You’re shameful the lot of you.

More name calling but I’m older than 14 so I’ll be right.

Look mate I haven’t agreed with every decision made by the various governments in Australia. Some of them defy logic but generally speaking I believe the decisions are being made in the interest of public health. Public meaning the wider community so that is obviously not going to suit every individual. People like your daughter and kids just coming out of school I really feel for, it’s not the way we are meant to live. But what is the government supposed to do short of let the virus run out of control and completely over run our hospitals?

I still maintain that our leaders have done a pretty good job in pretty horrible circumstances compared to many countries, and the compliance of the nation is something to be proud of.

We clearly disagree on this, it doesn’t make me a bigot or anything else.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514458) said:
The latest news isn't good on Omicron for the natural immunity argument. It's stating that people that caught COVID without being vaccinated have a higher chance of catching Omicron than if they didn't catch it. So if you had COVID preciously you are more likely to catch Omicron rather than less likely. This is pretty bad in relation to catching COVID.

The hole in this piece of data is that personally I'm less worried about infection compared to how virulent the virus is. If it doesn't affect people that much then maybe we can stop worrying about COVID.

I assume that this will mean the vaccine is definitely less effective but the anti-vax narrative is not holding up well at all so far. We also don't know this yet.

My assumption is that people who have caught COVID in the past are more likely to catch it again because of the way they live their lives. So maybe younger people going out more or something like that.

This isn't peer reviewed yet. It's just new. So don't take it as gospel.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.11.21266068v2.full.pdf

Who cares. The vaccinated are catching it.
 
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514475) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514458) said:
The latest news isn't good on Omicron for the natural immunity argument. It's stating that people that caught COVID without being vaccinated have a higher chance of catching Omicron than if they didn't catch it. So if you had COVID preciously you are more likely to catch Omicron rather than less likely. This is pretty bad in relation to catching COVID.

The hole in this piece of data is that personally I'm less worried about infection compared to how virulent the virus is. If it doesn't affect people that much then maybe we can stop worrying about COVID.

I assume that this will mean the vaccine is definitely less effective but the anti-vax narrative is not holding up well at all so far. We also don't know this yet.

My assumption is that people who have caught COVID in the past are more likely to catch it again because of the way they live their lives. So maybe younger people going out more or something like that.

This isn't peer reviewed yet. It's just new. So don't take it as gospel.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.11.21266068v2.full.pdf

Who cares. The vaccinated are catching it.

So back to getting another jab in your butt early boy
 
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514475) said:
Who cares. The vaccinated are catching it.

I would expect that people care unless they are pushing a narrative rather than the facts. If natural immunity (i.e. immunity with no vaccination) isn't working very well it's a problem. It's actually worse than this though. It's stating that those who have caught it are more likely to catch it again so natural immunity doesn't help at all.

I'd expect vaccination to have a similar issue but we don't know this.

The vaccinated were catching other strains as well. It's sort of missing the point. The point is keeping people out of hospital and alive. Vaccination has worked exceptionally well and we can see the positive effects in relation to the Delta outbreaks in Australia. There have been deaths but it's been so much better because we've had >90% vaccination.
 
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514476) said:
So back to getting another jab in your butt early boy

I got it in my arm. Has anyone got it in their butt ?

I hate needles (I've passed out heaps of times in the past) but I don't think getting a couple of jabs is that bad. If that is the only negative it sort of ends the argument doesn't it.
 
@bagnf05 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514465) said:
I still maintain that our leaders have done a pretty good job in pretty horrible circumstances compared to many countries, and the compliance of the nation is something to be proud of.

I use Florida as an example of the difference between good and bad policy decisions and good and bad behaviors compared to Australia.

Some facts:-

1. The no 1 killer in Australia is heart disease. It's about 18k deaths per year.
2. Florida has a good health system. It's a developed jurisdiction.
3. Florida has had significantly less lockdowns than Australia.
4. Florida has close to but less people than Australia.
5. Florida had a much slower and less uptake of the vaccine when Delta came compared to Australia.
6. Florida has had 60k odd deaths via COVID.

=> That shows the difference that vaccination plus restrictions have made to saving lives. There is no doubt in my mind COVID would have been the biggest cause of death in Australia if we hadn't taken the measures we've taken.

=> I don't believe anyone can justify any anti-COVID arguments based on that data unless you are trying to sell some narrative that isn't backed up by the facts.

=> Stories/Narratives are not facts.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514480) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514476) said:
So back to getting another jab in your butt early boy

I got it in my arm. Has anyone got it in their butt ?

I hate needles (I've passed out heaps of times in the past) but I don't think getting a couple of jabs is that bad. If that is the only negative it sort of ends the argument doesn't it.

Just a joke Earl.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514478) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514475) said:
Who cares. The vaccinated are catching it.

I would expect that people care unless they are pushing a narrative rather than the facts. If natural immunity (i.e. immunity with no vaccination) isn't working very well it's a problem. It's actually worse than this though. It's stating that those who have caught it are more likely to catch it again so natural immunity doesn't help at all.

I'd expect vaccination to have a similar issue but we don't know this.

The vaccinated were catching other strains as well. It's sort of missing the point. The point is keeping people out of hospital and alive. Vaccination has worked exceptionally well and we can see the positive effects in relation to the Delta outbreaks in Australia. There have been deaths but it's been so much better because we've had >90% vaccination.

Caring for other people argument. Rubbish. People only care about themselves. If you care so much, go help the homeless in the street. Donate a homeless person some of your net worth, so they can sleep in a house and have food to eat. Pfffttt over this vaccine crap to help the elderly blah blah
 
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514506) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514478) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514475) said:
Who cares. The vaccinated are catching it.

I would expect that people care unless they are pushing a narrative rather than the facts. If natural immunity (i.e. immunity with no vaccination) isn't working very well it's a problem. It's actually worse than this though. It's stating that those who have caught it are more likely to catch it again so natural immunity doesn't help at all.

I'd expect vaccination to have a similar issue but we don't know this.

The vaccinated were catching other strains as well. It's sort of missing the point. The point is keeping people out of hospital and alive. Vaccination has worked exceptionally well and we can see the positive effects in relation to the Delta outbreaks in Australia. There have been deaths but it's been so much better because we've had >90% vaccination.

Caring for other people argument. Rubbish. People only care about themselves. If you care so much, go help the homeless in the street. Donate a homeless person some of your net worth, so they can sleep in a house and have food to eat. Pfffttt over this vaccine crap to help the elderly blah blah

'Some' people only care about themselves, many do care for others
 
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514506) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514478) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514475) said:
Who cares. The vaccinated are catching it.

I would expect that people care unless they are pushing a narrative rather than the facts. If natural immunity (i.e. immunity with no vaccination) isn't working very well it's a problem. It's actually worse than this though. It's stating that those who have caught it are more likely to catch it again so natural immunity doesn't help at all.

I'd expect vaccination to have a similar issue but we don't know this.

The vaccinated were catching other strains as well. It's sort of missing the point. The point is keeping people out of hospital and alive. Vaccination has worked exceptionally well and we can see the positive effects in relation to the Delta outbreaks in Australia. There have been deaths but it's been so much better because we've had >90% vaccination.

Caring for other people argument. Rubbish. People only care about themselves. If you care so much, go help the homeless in the street. Donate a homeless person some of your net worth, so they can sleep in a house and have food to eat. Pfffttt over this vaccine crap to help the elderly blah blah

That isn't my argument at all. I only mean care in relation to finding out the facts/reality/science.

I'll argue against your point a bit as well. People do care. I do care about people dying. At the same time my parents who both worked in health care (a doctor and a nurse) call flu the old mans friends and have written into their will/dying wishes not to be revived when they are old and ready to go. To me it's more about the context. When they do stats I often see a figure or years life lost. So the death of a young child is considered worse than the death of an older person.

I don't know if you've ever lost a loved one early. That hurts like nothing else. You know what is the only thing worse than divorce - a loss in the family. So people care when people die.
 
@bagnf05 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514357) said:
@leichhardtjunior said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514355) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514348) said:
@leichhardtjunior said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514344) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514311) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514301) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514293) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514252) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514242) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514172) said:
Some people still seem to take MSM as gospel and the Govt as their friend...

How about Sutton the health minister in Vic declaring that the polititions are exempt from the JAB because its law..

So much for a deadly strain ...it seems to only target normal everyday people who think they have to take their advice,..,.,

wake up and open your eyes...Omicron just happen to come out of South Africa with the least amount of national vax ...6% of the country....gee lets get them all vaxxed..when they were doing really well without vaccines...
And all of a sudden its here in Aust because a tourist arrived in Aust and went all over the central coast while INFECTED...BS..they are supposed to test negative at arrival and quarantine until cleared ...more lies and crap.....but anyway play on peeps...

Never taken any medicine, prescription drugs ?
Vaccinated as a kid for measles mumps etc?
Youre helping your "Big Pharma" :face_with_rolling_eyes: out

Got as tax file no?
Yep...like most of us,...Big Bro Govt controlling us all...they also decide on the laws most of us abide by...or are ''controlled by''

Mate I have had heaps of vaccines,smallpox,measles.chicken pox,polio and tetanus...all had years of development before being approved for human use...
This experimental drug is not FDA approved and is only approved for emergency use...the animals that it was tested on ALL DIED and yet here you all are defending something that big pharma and the polititions are making huge money off...ITS NOT ABOUT HEALTH...do some research...you are entitled to your opinion Mark and Iam to mine...I have done hours and hours of research to come to my decision...its my free choice...

You sound like every conspiracy theorist Ive read for the last 18 months...you all love saying ''big pharma''
BTW...youtube is not research...its surfing the net, which is swimming in BS
Research...haha

Yeah mate keep defending the narrative....I dont go to youtube but then again it would be the most popular for the con theorists...say what you like,smear me,bag me,critique me for having an opinion of my own...I dont fear anyone or a flu like made up bs virus...as I said the Ministers in Govt are exempt from the jab but mandate it for us...one day you and others will wake up..but your entitled to your opinion...

Well I hope you don't fear the virus when you Contract it, because it's spreading now... specially as you're not vaxxed.... You'll probably end up.on a ventilator, pretty nasty apparently.... I'll pass on your thoughts on this BS flu to my close friend

More alarmist CRAP which is NOT supported by FACTS or STATISTICS. The SURVIVAL rate IS above 99.5% Ink.
And the VAST majority of those unfortunate victims are of ADVANCED AGE WITH MULTIPLE CO-MORBIDITIES .
Do your maths drama queen.

Do people pushing this 99.5% stat realise that’s 5 in every 1,000 people. It would be pretty catastrophic if 5 kids in every high school like the one I went to died yeah?

There you go again with more fictional CRAP.
The % of under 18’s with NO CO-MORBIDITIES is practically non existent.
Drama Queen

Haha. Name calling not needed. 5/1000 people dying to me is tragic. Regardless of age.

You just keep dramatising and running from the facts don’t you. Let’s be specific or people like Earl don’t have to step in… come to think of it, he doesn’t seem to be interested doing that with you??.. Anyway, let’s keep it real and call the 5 people you refer to as unfortunately already very sick and or old people, you know just for transparency and correctness…
Relax Earl, I’ve sorted this one for you
 
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514362) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514358) said:
@chicken_faced_killa said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514349) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514301) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514293) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514252) said:
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514242) said:
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514172) said:
Some people still seem to take MSM as gospel and the Govt as their friend...

How about Sutton the health minister in Vic declaring that the polititions are exempt from the JAB because its law..

So much for a deadly strain ...it seems to only target normal everyday people who think they have to take their advice,..,.,

wake up and open your eyes...Omicron just happen to come out of South Africa with the least amount of national vax ...6% of the country....gee lets get them all vaxxed..when they were doing really well without vaccines...
And all of a sudden its here in Aust because a tourist arrived in Aust and went all over the central coast while INFECTED...BS..they are supposed to test negative at arrival and quarantine until cleared ...more lies and crap.....but anyway play on peeps...

Never taken any medicine, prescription drugs ?
Vaccinated as a kid for measles mumps etc?
Youre helping your "Big Pharma" :face_with_rolling_eyes: out

Got as tax file no?
Yep...like most of us,...Big Bro Govt controlling us all...they also decide on the laws most of us abide by...or are ''controlled by''

Mate I have had heaps of vaccines,smallpox,measles.chicken pox,polio and tetanus...all had years of development before being approved for human use...
This experimental drug is not FDA approved and is only approved for emergency use...the animals that it was tested on ALL DIED and yet here you all are defending something that big pharma and the polititions are making huge money off...ITS NOT ABOUT HEALTH...do some research...you are entitled to your opinion Mark and Iam to mine...I have done hours and hours of research to come to my decision...its my free choice...

You sound like every conspiracy theorist Ive read for the last 18 months...you all love saying ''big pharma''
BTW...youtube is not research...its surfing the net, which is swimming in BS
Research...haha

Yeah mate keep defending the narrative....I dont go to youtube but then again it would be the most popular for the con theorists...say what you like,smear me,bag me,critique me for having an opinion of my own...I dont fear anyone or a flu like made up bs virus...as I said the Ministers in Govt are exempt from the jab but mandate it for us...one day you and others will wake up..but your entitled to your opinion...

The one piece of the puzzle I don’t understand is how they convinced every government across the world to go along with the conspiracy. Do you know how they managed it to run so deep and for so long? That is a lot of commitment.

I often feel like asking which government are they talking about ? Is it China ? America ? Australia ? Is the WHO are government ? What about the CDC ? What about all the medical bodies ?

Don't forget all the MSM's that have to fall into line as well.... One hell of a secret 'spiracy eh.
It's odd... Usually journos are looking for that big breaking scoop that will put them in the limelight, but they're all towing the line too

Hahahahaha ?????
You blokes are THE poster boys for cognitive dissonance.
So sanctimonious about anyone with the emotional capacity to question your beloved governments and the comfortably little lives they’ve afforded you.
GOOD BOYS.. ✅ A+ @Early mark for you all.!
 
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514508) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514506) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514478) said:
@eyeofthetiger-0 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1514475) said:
Who cares. The vaccinated are catching it.

I would expect that people care unless they are pushing a narrative rather than the facts. If natural immunity (i.e. immunity with no vaccination) isn't working very well it's a problem. It's actually worse than this though. It's stating that those who have caught it are more likely to catch it again so natural immunity doesn't help at all.

I'd expect vaccination to have a similar issue but we don't know this.

The vaccinated were catching other strains as well. It's sort of missing the point. The point is keeping people out of hospital and alive. Vaccination has worked exceptionally well and we can see the positive effects in relation to the Delta outbreaks in Australia. There have been deaths but it's been so much better because we've had >90% vaccination.

Caring for other people argument. Rubbish. People only care about themselves. If you care so much, go help the homeless in the street. Donate a homeless person some of your net worth, so they can sleep in a house and have food to eat. Pfffttt over this vaccine crap to help the elderly blah blah

'Some' people only care about themselves, many do care for others

If you care, told you, pull out 5k out of your bank account now and give it to a homeless person.
 
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