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So are the states still going alone? Yesterday we were told NSW would shutdown everything within 48 hours. Is that still on the cards?
 
@GNR4LIFE said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134888) said:
So are the states still going alone? Yesterday we were told NSW would shutdown everything within 48 hours. Is that still on the cards?
 
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@Harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134883) said:
My wife is a nurse. I would suggest (based on overseas reports) that her risk levels are equal to or greater than teachers.

I don’t see anyone suggesting that they stop medical or ambulance services.

The measures being rolled out are to limit exposure and the number of people infected, so we have the capacity to treat them. If anyone has massive objections to the job they are being asked to do, they can resign and open their own business, or look for a job in hospitality.

Would you like me to give you a bouquet? I have three members of my direct family at one hospital all medical professionals. I mentioned teachers because like other staff they are in the firing line. Just because I don't mention medical professionals doesn't mean I don't have the utmost respect for their work. Try not to be so insecure next time.
 
@Geo said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134894) said:
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Can you give that snickers to Nufoaluma
 
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134867) said:
@Swordy said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134798) said:
Dont quite get the panic over whether or not schools are open. Make your own decision and keep your kids home if you think the school should shut. My daughter will be staying home and working online. Simple. Problem solved.

My missus is a teacher and it's the teachers that are the ones screaming. Parents were already keeping their kids home.

Apart from not wanting to be exposed, it essentially doubles their workload as they need to prepare a lesson plan as well as rejig that lesson into a home learning plan for the kids that stay at home. Not easy if you see what they need to do as it is.


NOt a crack at your missus Weststigers, but the idea of anyone "screaming" over extra work or hardship at the moment p's me off.

This is going to get tough. Pretty much EVERYONE is going to do it tough in one way or another. THOUSANDS are losing their jobs. Teachers wont, they will keep their jobs and even continue to get paid shortly when they have NO work.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134869) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134867) said:
@Swordy said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134798) said:
Dont quite get the panic over whether or not schools are open. Make your own decision and keep your kids home if you think the school should shut. My daughter will be staying home and working online. Simple. Problem solved.

My missus is a teacher and it's the teachers that are the ones screaming. Parents were already keeping their kids home.

Apart from not wanting to be exposed, it essentially doubles their workload as they need to prepare a lesson plan as well as rejig that lesson into a home learning plan for the kids that stay at home. Not easy if you see what they need to do as it is.

Coming from a teaching background myself, I think anyone expecting teacher to be delivering lessons online is kidding themselves. I also don't think it is that important at the moment.

Why not? The rest of the World is being expected to do things that are not easy and to find ways of doing *their* job in a way that they can still be productive and keep society working. What makes teachers different or special? At least teachers jobs and wages are secure, a priceless situation to be in compared to the rest of the population. If the price they pay for that security is to have to work a little harder and teach online, they should suck it up and smile.

My daughter is going to school and will continue to go to school while ever they are open to keep things as normal as possible for her at the moment. Her anxiety levels are already raise so as much as I can keep normal the happier she will be.

If and when the schools close then I am not overly worried about what she achieves. We will do a couple of hours school work in the morning with me teaching her, but it will primarily be interest based and wont be based off what the school is sending home. If schools close we will be so far away from normality that I do no believe the normal expectations should be applied. I will be more focused on her mental health, being an only child and losing contact with her peers and primarily relying on her parents for companionship is a recipe for a child to struggle to cope. That is also why I refuse to buy into the panic that is occurring all around us as that will only serve to raise her anxiety levels.

You are a good dad.
 
Man I hope I have a job at the end of this, but I'm starting to think I won't. Doing our last day today then the boss is sending us home for the foreseeable future. He's a good bloke who wants to keep us all on, but if there's no work coming in I can't see the business staying afloat.
 
@TillLindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134918) said:
Man I hope I have a job at the end of this, but I'm starting to think I won't. Doing our last day today then the boss is sending us home for the foreseeable future. He's a good bloke who wants to keep us all on, but if there's no work coming in I can't see the business staying afloat.


You wont be alone. Good luck mate.
 
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134864) said:
@Jedi_Tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134691) said:
just rhink we coukd have had dopey Shorten haha

Full disclosure, I voted for Morrisson, but either party would have been acting on the medical advice. I think we all need to remember that.

Until I learn otherwise, I'm pointing the finger at the medical advice being handed down.

yup. These australian experts are like a bus driver who's studied the books, but this is their first time driving.

very different attitudes in HK or singapore where they've had past experience.
 
My UTS and TAFE teachers aren't too happy this morning considering we don't teach kids. Most of our students have returned home to Taiwan, Singapore, Indonesia, china etc anyway I suppose. I've never processed so many deferrals and cancellation of CoEs before
 
@TillLindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134918) said:
Man I hope I have a job at the end of this, but I'm starting to think I won't. Doing our last day today then the boss is sending us home for the foreseeable future. He's a good bloke who wants to keep us all on, but if there's no work coming in I can't see the business staying afloat.

I am sorry to learn of your situation. This is a tragedy for many small businesses and also the self employed. Make sure you contact the Commonwealth to access assistance if required. I am thinking big you.
 
Honestly people that have government jobs and guaranteed income complaining.. Australia no other place on earth like it 👎
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134909) said:
@Harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134883) said:
My wife is a nurse. I would suggest (based on overseas reports) that her risk levels are equal to or greater than teachers.

I don’t see anyone suggesting that they stop medical or ambulance services.

The measures being rolled out are to limit exposure and the number of people infected, so we have the capacity to treat them. If anyone has massive objections to the job they are being asked to do, they can resign and open their own business, or look for a job in hospitality.

Would you like me to give you a bouquet? I have three members of my direct family at one hospital all medical professionals. I mentioned teachers because like other staff they are in the firing line. Just because I don't mention medical professionals doesn't mean I don't have the utmost respect for their work. Try not to be so insecure next time.


Nurses and doctors are just an example of critical services that require staffing. Bus drivers are exposed to potentially thousands of different people everyday.

The children of anyone working in a critical role need to be looked after and teachers are employed to educate.

If I was a teacher I would be concerned that I could pickup the illness off a student, the same way that I am worried that my kid could pick it up off a classmate or a teacher.

The only way to stop the spread is to shut everything and let people fend for themselves. Unless that is the outcome you want, then some people (including teachers) will need to put themselves at some risk.
 
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134944) said:
Honestly people that have government jobs and guaranteed income complaining.. Australia no other place on earth like it 👎 These people should get in the real world where employees will be struggling to feed themselves with out any job ,
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134914) said:
@weststigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134867) said:
@Swordy said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134798) said:
Dont quite get the panic over whether or not schools are open. Make your own decision and keep your kids home if you think the school should shut. My daughter will be staying home and working online. Simple. Problem solved.

My missus is a teacher and it's the teachers that are the ones screaming. Parents were already keeping their kids home.

Apart from not wanting to be exposed, it essentially doubles their workload as they need to prepare a lesson plan as well as rejig that lesson into a home learning plan for the kids that stay at home. Not easy if you see what they need to do as it is.


NOt a crack at your missus Weststigers, but the idea of anyone "screaming" over extra work or hardship at the moment p's me off.

This is going to get tough. Pretty much EVERYONE is going to do it tough in one way or another. THOUSANDS are losing their jobs. Teachers wont, they will keep their jobs and even continue to get paid shortly when they have NO work.

Mate, I actually agree with you. I'm not impressed when I have to listen to complaints about exposure or workload when my income has gone to zero and others will get paid through all of this. I'd kill to have a safe pay cheque right now.

To clarify the point:

1. Primarily, they don't want to be exposed to the kids (she's in primary education).
2. Secondly, and the one I think is neither here nor there is the workload side of things.

I've noticed many friends have a different take on things because they simply have not been affected financially. It's quite hard to hear people complain when they don't know how lucky they are, but I refuse to play the victim and just keep my mouth shut.
 
Someone mentioned about longer hours and being pissed off about people complaining

Yes I'm grateful that in the short term I will continue working ...but the issue will be when my body confronts CV ...if it is compromised from over work I'm at far greater risk .....then add to it less than 12 months ago I had a staph infection and I'm early 50's

I still maintain one of the biggest keys in all of this is shortening trading hours ..because when it all comes to the crunch I don't care who you are or where you work ..If we don't have the bodies to handle the workload we are all screwed

If you don't have fit employees at the warehouses they can fill the orders ...who then can't supply the shops ..who then can't deal with the public because they can fill the shelves or serve the customers

The other thing we are hearing (from our end ) is that when they start closing schools because of cases of CV these kids won't be able to work ...and because we can't test them for CV they will all be off for at least two weeks ...if they have any signs of a cold they can't work

My proposal would be all retail business who choose to be open , open from 12-9 ...if you want you can continue the earlier trading for the elderly / health impaired people
 
@TillLindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134918) said:
Man I hope I have a job at the end of this, but I'm starting to think I won't. Doing our last day today then the boss is sending us home for the foreseeable future. He's a good bloke who wants to keep us all on, but if there's no work coming in I can't see the business staying afloat.

I feel for you. We are all in this together and we will come out of it.
 
@Harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134946) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134909) said:
@Harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134883) said:
My wife is a nurse. I would suggest (based on overseas reports) that her risk levels are equal to or greater than teachers.

I don’t see anyone suggesting that they stop medical or ambulance services.

The measures being rolled out are to limit exposure and the number of people infected, so we have the capacity to treat them. If anyone has massive objections to the job they are being asked to do, they can resign and open their own business, or look for a job in hospitality.

Would you like me to give you a bouquet? I have three members of my direct family at one hospital all medical professionals. I mentioned teachers because like other staff they are in the firing line. Just because I don't mention medical professionals doesn't mean I don't have the utmost respect for their work. Try not to be so insecure next time.


Nurses and doctors are just an example of critical services that require staffing. Bus drivers are exposed to potentially thousands of different people everyday.

The children of anyone working in a critical role need to be looked after and teachers are employed to educate.

If I was a teacher I would be concerned that I could pickup the illness off a student, the same way that I am worried that my kid could pick it up off a classmate or a teacher.

The only way to stop the spread is to shut everything and let people fend for themselves. Unless that is the outcome you want, then some people (including teachers) will need to put themselves at some risk.

All our classes are running at 1%-5% capacity. I'm not sure about high schools, primary but at TAFE and higher education it's barren.

I've been processing paper work rather than teaching.
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134845) said:
@Snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134836) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134831) said:
@Swordy said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1134798) said:
Dont quite get the panic over whether or not schools are open. Make your own decision and keep your kids home if you think the school should shut. My daughter will be staying home and working online. Simple. Problem solved.

My son won't be going to school and nor should any others, except for those of essential services in a social distancing environment.

The Victorian government were closing their schools down either way, but agreed to the "bringing the holidays forward" announcement, so as not to create waves.

I do not understand bringing the school holidays forward .. what I am reading once the shut down happens in full it will be for 6 months .... it seems most think it will only be a month and this seems not the case !

Agreed. I've been saying this for a month, and I don't see any plan to reverse it when the worst subsides. Worse, having had a taste of tyranny, will we get all our rights back? "Health" will now be used as an excuse to curb liberties well into the future.


IMO there is no way they totally close down for 6months. China was less than 4 weeks. Aus economy is finished in 6 months, all over red rover. Government is already spending 9% GDP on stimulus. No way such a large chunk of the population can go without income for that long.
 
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