Coronavirus Outbreak

[Cairnstigers]

If people are that worried about what might happen or could happen by using apps of any kind then why leave your house.
We already have number plate recognition and face recognition is well on the way.
You will be traced where ever you go
So why worry so much
Its inevitable

 

[Tim Sheens]

- The World Health Organization (WHO) said on Thursday it was declaring the China coronavirus outbreak that has killed 170 people in China a global emergency, as cases spread to 18 countries.

In light of how things have turned out, I thought that I would have a look back to the start of this thread to see where we as a group were at that point and found it quite interesting.

Many of us have rightly altered our opinions as more information has become available and still somewhat differ on the approach and speed of reopening. Even with our general relatively small knowledge at the time, especially when compared to that of governments, it seemed that most had already understood the gravity of the situation by mid to late January, or early February at the latest.

Ignoring the rascism there that was hopefully created in part by fear, genuine concerns were being voiced. I had called off our travel plans, @hobbo1, @Snake amongst others had been calling for travel bans or similar and we were worryingly told by @willow that there was still no screening at airports after they were announced.

Still, most important was the post by Ink quoted above, which despite the narrative elsewhere and no doubt some failings within both China and the organisation, clearly shows doubters the WHO notified all and sundry across the globe, that the situation was extremely serious on January 30. Unlike the developing world, any advanced nations with good intelligence services should have already long known what was coming, so at the very latest, from that point onwards, responsibility for what has unfolded in these nations individually, lays squarely at the feet of it's leaders.

 

[Nelson]

What do the conspiracy theorists actually think the government is going to do to you if you download the app?

My concern isn't really with the app, why should our government be storing data that they collect on us on server in another country that can not be protected by our legal system? This is not just the data from this app, this would be the data on things like mygov etc.

Then take the privacy issue out of it for a moment, at this point in time while our economy is falling, why would we send a contract like this overseas instead of supporting our own businesses?

Probably because they are relying on market forces in circumstances where physical borders don't have any significance. This isn't offline storage. It is necessarily online so that it can be accessed and used. That means it can accessed from anywhere in the world. Local companies may not offer the same levels of security as overseas companies. Presumably the best counter-intrusion experts either work for governments or for the biggest companies in the world, which are not likely to include Australian companies in this field. So they go with the best (wherever they are) in the expectation that the best will, motivated by market forces, protect their data in order to protect their reputation and profitability.

They can't protect that data from the laws of the country they are stored in.

I imagine that the companies take that into account in determining where they warehouse the data, and that the government decision makers correspondingly take that into account.

And what happens if in a time of crisis the country where we are storing that data changes it's laws to gain access?

Why? What is this crisis that causes countries that want to attract foreign business to suddenly decide to bomb their prospects of future foreign investment by enacting capricious laws to raid foreign data? What are they going to do with it that could be worth the price they'd pay? Seems a remote possibility to me and not something I would give much weight to in the decision making process.

Well Australia has already tried to do it - we tried to mandate backdoors in encryption. Tech companies were furious. Not sure what has become of that, if the government is still trying to implement it or not.

Dutton was a cheerleader for it.

If they wanted backdoors to encryption then it was for law enforcement purposes. Just because someone has an idea or explores a possibility doesn't mean it becomes law. Lots of possible solutions to problems are explored and discarded. The police often lobby for more power and various agencies often speak loudly in opposition out of concern for civil liberties and/or commercial consequences.

 

[jadtiger]

I note that the UK has added some of their previously unaccounted for deaths to their totals today, which takes them to the third worst number of lives lost and likely to surpass Italy very soon as well.

Whilst I expect that the true numbers from China would be up around the top, those numbers, like those of the US, the UK's are also terrible considering they both had the huge advantage of being able observe and act on the knowledge of others on the list around them that were hit by the virus earlier. Boris Johnson is probably lucky to have caught the virus for the sympathy it brings, plus the birth of his child at this time, else he would be copping plenty from both the public and press already, with worse to come as their deaths continue in coming weeks.

The UK has nearly been as much as a failure as the USA but that is hardly suprising looking at the 2 leaders.We will never get anything close to accurate figures from countries with totalitarian governments (China Russia North Korea)just to name a few.
Governments of all political persuasions hate to admit they get it wrong but are quick to give themselves praise if they fluke getting it right


UK nearly as much as a failure as the US? The US has half the deaths per capita that the UK does.

Population in the USA is far more widespread so you would think less likely to be as contagious.Where there is high density of population i would think it would be very comparable

 

[cochise]

To clarify, I have installed the app. That doesn't mean I can't be concerned about the issues I have spoken about.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The reporters ask everyday about the source of infection for the healthcare worker at Newmarch. I know when this first arose, the CMO said more. This appears now to have been forgotten.

 

[Tim Sheens]

The reporters ask everyday about the source of infection for the healthcare worker at Newmarch. I know when this first arose, the CMO said more. This appears now to have been forgotten.

Can't recall his comments, so please expand and what ever happened with the Tasmanian medical staff dinner accusations.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The reporters ask everyday about the source of infection for the healthcare worker at Newmarch. I know when this first arose, the CMO said more. This appears now to have been forgotten.

Can't recall his comments, so please expand and what ever happened with the Tasmanian medical staff dinner accusations.

There was comment very early prior to any trouble that a known Covid case allegedly having had contact. If known, why was Covid sufferer in contact with others?

Dinner accusations all buried. Ruby Princess to blame apparently for all the grief in NW Tasmania. It has nothing to do with PPE or infection control measures or Scomo.

 

[tiger_one]

The reporters ask everyday about the source of infection for the healthcare worker at Newmarch. I know when this first arose, the CMO said more. This appears now to have been **"selectively"** forgotten.

 

[gallagher]

But they have your info the minute you log in and do anything

What you think it is coincidence that you look at buying a new car and get info all the sudden you start having car ads on your screen , or you look at Suncorp Stadium for seating and you get ads for broncos membership , Brisbane Roar membership .....

I find that convenient tbh. They're gonna send ads your way so at least your coping ads that are of interest to you.

 

[Tiger5150]

I note that the UK has added some of their previously unaccounted for deaths to their totals today, which takes them to the third worst number of lives lost and likely to surpass Italy very soon as well.

Whilst I expect that the true numbers from China would be up around the top, those numbers, like those of the US, the UK's are also terrible considering they both had the huge advantage of being able observe and act on the knowledge of others on the list around them that were hit by the virus earlier. Boris Johnson is probably lucky to have caught the virus for the sympathy it brings, plus the birth of his child at this time, else he would be copping plenty from both the public and press already, with worse to come as their deaths continue in coming weeks.

The UK has nearly been as much as a failure as the USA but that is hardly suprising looking at the 2 leaders.We will never get anything close to accurate figures from countries with totalitarian governments (China Russia North Korea)just to name a few.
Governments of all political persuasions hate to admit they get it wrong but are quick to give themselves praise if they fluke getting it right


UK nearly as much as a failure as the US? The US has half the deaths per capita that the UK does.

UK population density: 281 people per km2
US population density: 36 people per km2

~7.8 times the population density...

NY City Population density, 25846/km2 and accounts for 1/3 of total US cases and deaths.

 

[Tiger5150]

I note that the UK has added some of their previously unaccounted for deaths to their totals today, which takes them to the third worst number of lives lost and likely to surpass Italy very soon as well.

Whilst I expect that the true numbers from China would be up around the top, those numbers, like those of the US, the UK's are also terrible considering they both had the huge advantage of being able observe and act on the knowledge of others on the list around them that were hit by the virus earlier. Boris Johnson is probably lucky to have caught the virus for the sympathy it brings, plus the birth of his child at this time, else he would be copping plenty from both the public and press already, with worse to come as their deaths continue in coming weeks.

The UK has nearly been as much as a failure as the USA but that is hardly suprising looking at the 2 leaders.We will never get anything close to accurate figures from countries with totalitarian governments (China Russia North Korea)just to name a few.
Governments of all political persuasions hate to admit they get it wrong but are quick to give themselves praise if they fluke getting it right


UK nearly as much as a failure as the US? The US has half the deaths per capita that the UK does.

Population in the USA is far more widespread so you would think less likely to be as contagious.Where there is high density of population i would think it would be very comparable

1/3 of the cases in the US are in NY with a population density of 25,846/km².

 

[Guest]

What do the conspiracy theorists actually think the government is going to do to you if you download the app?

My concern isn't really with the app, why should our government be storing data that they collect on us on server in another country that can not be protected by our legal system? This is not just the data from this app, this would be the data on things like mygov etc.

Then take the privacy issue out of it for a moment, at this point in time while our economy is falling, why would we send a contract like this overseas instead of supporting our own businesses?

Where is the data being stored? Which country?

 

[cochise]

What do the conspiracy theorists actually think the government is going to do to you if you download the app?

My concern isn't really with the app, why should our government be storing data that they collect on us on server in another country that can not be protected by our legal system? This is not just the data from this app, this would be the data on things like mygov etc.

Then take the privacy issue out of it for a moment, at this point in time while our economy is falling, why would we send a contract like this overseas instead of supporting our own businesses?

Where is the data being stored? Which country?

By Amazon

 

[Guest]

What do the conspiracy theorists actually think the government is going to do to you if you download the app?

It’s not conspiracy theories mate . Do some research on it , and you will see , much like conspiracy theories of yesterday past like , Wiki leaks , Mk-ultra , this is actually true . There was a whole inquiry into Facebook last year , where amongst other things , they admitted to the nefarious use of data , and on selling to allow a foreign power to influence an election . From Huawei being caught putting spyware , I their systems (they are a huge telco systems provider worldwide ) even to wiki leaks themselves . There’s multiple easily accessed podcasts from people like Sam Harris to Jordan Peterson , to Joe Rogan , interviewing security Experts and former CIA, Facebook , Google employees , all basically saying the same thing . Your data is being sold , and on sold and sometimes to people you don’t want to have it . You can take the “well they already know everything about you stance “ which is fine , but if you dont want to give it , that’s the end .
As for examples of ways your data can be misused , I already gave that a few posts ago.

Hmm, maybe I'm ignorant or perhaps desensitized thanks to work but none of that actually bothers me. It hasn't affected the way I live my life one iota.

 

[Guest]

What do the conspiracy theorists actually think the government is going to do to you if you download the app?

My concern isn't really with the app, why should our government be storing data that they collect on us on server in another country that can not be protected by our legal system? This is not just the data from this app, this would be the data on things like mygov etc.

Then take the privacy issue out of it for a moment, at this point in time while our economy is falling, why would we send a contract like this overseas instead of supporting our own businesses?

Where is the data being stored? Which country?

By Amazon

Ok, some people might be bothered by that but I'm not.

 

[cochise]

What do the conspiracy theorists actually think the government is going to do to you if you download the app?

My concern isn't really with the app, why should our government be storing data that they collect on us on server in another country that can not be protected by our legal system? This is not just the data from this app, this would be the data on things like mygov etc.

Then take the privacy issue out of it for a moment, at this point in time while our economy is falling, why would we send a contract like this overseas instead of supporting our own businesses?

Where is the data being stored? Which country?

By Amazon

Checking further Amazon may have to store on servers here.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I’d like to know if anyone screaming conspiracy and that the Illuminati are coming to get them, have ever had their life directly affected.

 

[cochise]

I’d like to know if anyone screaming conspiracy and that the Illuminati are coming to get them, have ever had their life directly affected.

I've had my credit card details taken and $15000 ran up on my card.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I’d like to know if anyone screaming conspiracy and that the Illuminati are coming to get them, have ever had their life directly affected.

I've had my credit card details taken and $15000 ran up on my card.

By who?