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@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150844) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150478) said:
Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

Just been reported that Sweden now has the highest per capital death rate of any Nation. Sweden are paying for their lack of action.

Yeah it has been trending that way for a couple of weeks, I have held off posting it though as their total numbers are still low when you compare to other countries and there is not point arguing facts with @Hangonaminute as he distorts information to try and prove his points. Sweden is most definately not a model I'd be holding up as an example.
 
Where is Joe Hockey when you need someone to crunch the numbers 🙂

A 60 bn error. Even the most conservative of reporters, Chris Kenny, is calling this a mind boggling error.

Great economic managers my backside.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150867) said:
Where is Joe Hockey when you need someone to crunch the numbers 🙂

A 60 bn error. Even the most conservative of reporters, Chris Kenny, is calling this a mind boggling error.

Great economic managers my backside.

Its a joke isn't it, they didn't realise most small businesses don't have 1500 employees and just filled form in wrong?
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150868) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150867) said:
Where is Joe Hockey when you need someone to crunch the numbers 🙂

A 60 bn error. Even the most conservative of reporters, Chris Kenny, is calling this a mind boggling error.

Great economic managers my backside.

Its a joke isn't it, they didn't realise most small businesses don't have 1500 employees and just filled form in wrong?

I feel badly for those who should have received assistance but were deemed ineligible. I don't know how they survive.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150883) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150868) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150867) said:
Where is Joe Hockey when you need someone to crunch the numbers 🙂

A 60 bn error. Even the most conservative of reporters, Chris Kenny, is calling this a mind boggling error.

Great economic managers my backside.

Its a joke isn't it, they didn't realise most small businesses don't have 1500 employees and just filled form in wrong?

I feel badly for those who should have received assistance but were deemed ineligible. I don't know how they survive.

Yep, perfect opportunity to extend the scheme to cover those people.
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150844) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150478) said:
Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

Just been reported that Sweden now has the highest per capital death rate of any Nation. Sweden are paying for their lack of action.


Except its not true, quite a few countries ahead of Swedens still including UK, France Spain. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Go back and re-read that report. It was the highest per capita death rate, for that week.
 
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150769) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150765) said:
A few countries have major issues still

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Wouldn't surprise me to see Brazil take the gold medal when it's all said and done. We've all got our opinions on Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon but Bolsonaro is a bona fide psychopath who literally said it wouldn't affect Brazil because they are "too strong." COVID will go through the favelas like a bad curry.

Yeah I've been saying this for ages. It's possible they're already higher than the US, as their testing is really low.
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150897) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150844) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150478) said:
Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

Just been reported that Sweden now has the highest per capital death rate of any Nation. Sweden are paying for their lack of action.


Except its not true, quite a few countries ahead of Swedens still including UK, France Spain. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Go back and re-read that report. It was the highest per capita death rate, for that week.


They are still paying for thier lack of action. How many thousand dead?
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150930) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150897) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150844) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150478) said:
Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

Just been reported that Sweden now has the highest per capital death rate of any Nation. Sweden are paying for their lack of action.


Except its not true, quite a few countries ahead of Swedens still including UK, France Spain. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Go back and re-read that report. It was the highest per capita death rate, for that week.


They are still paying for thier lack of action. How many thousand dead?

3925. Im not making an argument that they are doing a good or a bad job, just simply pointing out that it is not true that Sweden has the highest death rate per capita in the world. That report was misleading and actually reported that it had the highest per capita death rate for that one week.
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150932) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150930) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150897) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150844) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150478) said:
Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

Just been reported that Sweden now has the highest per capital death rate of any Nation. Sweden are paying for their lack of action.


Except its not true, quite a few countries ahead of Swedens still including UK, France Spain. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Go back and re-read that report. It was the highest per capita death rate, for that week.


They are still paying for thier lack of action. How many thousand dead?

3925. Im not making an argument that they are doing a good or a bad job, just simply pointing out that it is not true that Sweden has the highest death rate per capita in the world. That report was misleading and actually reported that it had the highest per capita death rate for that one week.

Well they did for that week.
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150933) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150932) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150930) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150897) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150844) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150478) said:
Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

Just been reported that Sweden now has the highest per capital death rate of any Nation. Sweden are paying for their lack of action.


Except its not true, quite a few countries ahead of Swedens still including UK, France Spain. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Go back and re-read that report. It was the highest per capita death rate, for that week.


They are still paying for thier lack of action. How many thousand dead?

3925. Im not making an argument that they are doing a good or a bad job, just simply pointing out that it is not true that Sweden has the highest death rate per capita in the world. That report was misleading and actually reported that it had the highest per capita death rate for that one week.

Well they did for that week.


THAT is true. "Sweden now has the highest death rate per capita in the world", is not true.

Sweden is interesting and no one can say yet whether they have done the right or the wrong thing. If the virus continues throughout the US & Europe and continues in wave after wave with continual lockdown, then Sweden will be in front because they will reach herd immunity without destroying their economy and without overloading their health system (unnecessary deaths through lack of care). However if in the US & Europe they manage to crush the virus down with no second or subsequent waves, then Sweden pulled the wrong rein.
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150935) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150933) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150932) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150930) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150897) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150844) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150478) said:
Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

Just been reported that Sweden now has the highest per capital death rate of any Nation. Sweden are paying for their lack of action.


Except its not true, quite a few countries ahead of Swedens still including UK, France Spain. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Go back and re-read that report. It was the highest per capita death rate, for that week.


They are still paying for thier lack of action. How many thousand dead?

3925. Im not making an argument that they are doing a good or a bad job, just simply pointing out that it is not true that Sweden has the highest death rate per capita in the world. That report was misleading and actually reported that it had the highest per capita death rate for that one week.

Well they did for that week.


THAT is true. "Sweden now has the highest death rate per capita in the world", is not true.

Sweden is interesting and no one can say yet whether they have done the right or the wrong thing. If the virus continues throughout the US & Europe and continues in wave after wave with continual lockdown, then Sweden will be in front because they will reach herd immunity without destroying their economy and without overloading their health system (unnecessary deaths through lack of care). However if in the US & Europe they manage to crush the virus down with no second or subsequent waves, then Sweden pulled the wrong rein.

Sweeden population 10,099,265. 3,925 dead. Australia population 25,499,884. 101 dead. Pretty obvisous to me that they got it wrong.
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150936) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150935) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150933) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150932) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150930) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150897) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150844) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150478) said:
Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

Just been reported that Sweden now has the highest per capital death rate of any Nation. Sweden are paying for their lack of action.


Except its not true, quite a few countries ahead of Swedens still including UK, France Spain. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Go back and re-read that report. It was the highest per capita death rate, for that week.


They are still paying for thier lack of action. How many thousand dead?

3925. Im not making an argument that they are doing a good or a bad job, just simply pointing out that it is not true that Sweden has the highest death rate per capita in the world. That report was misleading and actually reported that it had the highest per capita death rate for that one week.

Well they did for that week.


THAT is true. "Sweden now has the highest death rate per capita in the world", is not true.

Sweden is interesting and no one can say yet whether they have done the right or the wrong thing. If the virus continues throughout the US & Europe and continues in wave after wave with continual lockdown, then Sweden will be in front because they will reach herd immunity without destroying their economy and without overloading their health system (unnecessary deaths through lack of care). However if in the US & Europe they manage to crush the virus down with no second or subsequent waves, then Sweden pulled the wrong rein.

Sweeden population 10,099,265. 3,925 dead. Australia population 25,499,884. 101 dead. Pretty obvisous to me that they got it wrong.


You cant compare any country to Australia except maybe NZ, for "our land is girt by sea".

Australia is at an almost unique situation geographically, where as Europe has completely different constraints and parameters. Compare Sweden to Italy, Spain, France etc. These countries have similar conditions to Sweden and Sweden has done better than these countries on a per capita death rate basis. Also compare to Norway, Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden is doing worse than these countries per capita death rate, but this is almost irelevant because no one really knows how this thing ends.

Does it just fizzle out in the medium term in US & Europe and they successfully get back to normal life in the medium term? If so Sweden made the wrong choice.

Does the virus persist, with ongoing waves of infections in Europe? If so Sweden will be a mile ahead.
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150941) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150936) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150935) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150933) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150932) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150930) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150897) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150844) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150478) said:
Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

Just been reported that Sweden now has the highest per capital death rate of any Nation. Sweden are paying for their lack of action.


Except its not true, quite a few countries ahead of Swedens still including UK, France Spain. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Go back and re-read that report. It was the highest per capita death rate, for that week.


They are still paying for thier lack of action. How many thousand dead?

3925. Im not making an argument that they are doing a good or a bad job, just simply pointing out that it is not true that Sweden has the highest death rate per capita in the world. That report was misleading and actually reported that it had the highest per capita death rate for that one week.

Well they did for that week.


THAT is true. "Sweden now has the highest death rate per capita in the world", is not true.

Sweden is interesting and no one can say yet whether they have done the right or the wrong thing. If the virus continues throughout the US & Europe and continues in wave after wave with continual lockdown, then Sweden will be in front because they will reach herd immunity without destroying their economy and without overloading their health system (unnecessary deaths through lack of care). However if in the US & Europe they manage to crush the virus down with no second or subsequent waves, then Sweden pulled the wrong rein.

Sweeden population 10,099,265. 3,925 dead. Australia population 25,499,884. 101 dead. Pretty obvisous to me that they got it wrong.


You cant compare any country to Australia except maybe NZ, for "our land is girt by sea".

Australia is at an almost unique situation geographically, where as Europe has completely different constraints and parameters. Compare Sweden to Italy, Spain, France etc. These countries have similar conditions to Sweden and Sweden has done better than these countries on a per capita death rate basis. Also compare to Norway, Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden is doing worse than these countries per capita death rate, but this is almost irelevant because no one really knows how this thing ends.

Does it just fizzle out in the medium term in US & Europe and they successfully get back to normal life in the medium term? If so Sweden made the wrong choice.

Does the virus persist, with ongoing waves of infections in Europe? If so Sweden will be a mile ahead.

Sure you can, I just did.
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150942) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150941) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150936) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150935) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150933) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150932) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150930) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150897) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150844) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150478) said:
Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

Just been reported that Sweden now has the highest per capital death rate of any Nation. Sweden are paying for their lack of action.


Except its not true, quite a few countries ahead of Swedens still including UK, France Spain. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Go back and re-read that report. It was the highest per capita death rate, for that week.


They are still paying for thier lack of action. How many thousand dead?

3925. Im not making an argument that they are doing a good or a bad job, just simply pointing out that it is not true that Sweden has the highest death rate per capita in the world. That report was misleading and actually reported that it had the highest per capita death rate for that one week.

Well they did for that week.


THAT is true. "Sweden now has the highest death rate per capita in the world", is not true.

Sweden is interesting and no one can say yet whether they have done the right or the wrong thing. If the virus continues throughout the US & Europe and continues in wave after wave with continual lockdown, then Sweden will be in front because they will reach herd immunity without destroying their economy and without overloading their health system (unnecessary deaths through lack of care). However if in the US & Europe they manage to crush the virus down with no second or subsequent waves, then Sweden pulled the wrong rein.

Sweeden population 10,099,265. 3,925 dead. Australia population 25,499,884. 101 dead. Pretty obvisous to me that they got it wrong.


You cant compare any country to Australia except maybe NZ, for "our land is girt by sea".

Australia is at an almost unique situation geographically, where as Europe has completely different constraints and parameters. Compare Sweden to Italy, Spain, France etc. These countries have similar conditions to Sweden and Sweden has done better than these countries on a per capita death rate basis. Also compare to Norway, Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden is doing worse than these countries per capita death rate, but this is almost irelevant because no one really knows how this thing ends.

Does it just fizzle out in the medium term in US & Europe and they successfully get back to normal life in the medium term? If so Sweden made the wrong choice.

Does the virus persist, with ongoing waves of infections in Europe? If so Sweden will be a mile ahead.

Sure you can, I just did.


You also concluded this conversation.
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150935) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150933) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150932) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150930) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150897) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150844) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150478) said:
Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

Just been reported that Sweden now has the highest per capital death rate of any Nation. Sweden are paying for their lack of action.


Except its not true, quite a few countries ahead of Swedens still including UK, France Spain. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Go back and re-read that report. It was the highest per capita death rate, for that week.


They are still paying for thier lack of action. How many thousand dead?

3925. Im not making an argument that they are doing a good or a bad job, just simply pointing out that it is not true that Sweden has the highest death rate per capita in the world. That report was misleading and actually reported that it had the highest per capita death rate for that one week.

Well they did for that week.


THAT is true. "Sweden now has the highest death rate per capita in the world", is not true.

Sweden is interesting and no one can say yet whether they have done the right or the wrong thing. If the virus continues throughout the US & Europe and continues in wave after wave with continual lockdown, then Sweden will be in front because they will reach herd immunity without destroying their economy and without overloading their health system (unnecessary deaths through lack of care). However if in the US & Europe they manage to crush the virus down with no second or subsequent waves, then Sweden pulled the wrong rein.

The guy that promoted the decision to go with no lockdown in Sweden has been stating he is not convinced they made the right choice, they really are at a tipping point at the moment so will be interesting to see where it goes.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150945) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150935) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150933) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150932) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150930) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150897) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150844) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150478) said:
Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

Just been reported that Sweden now has the highest per capital death rate of any Nation. Sweden are paying for their lack of action.


Except its not true, quite a few countries ahead of Swedens still including UK, France Spain. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Go back and re-read that report. It was the highest per capita death rate, for that week.


They are still paying for thier lack of action. How many thousand dead?

3925. Im not making an argument that they are doing a good or a bad job, just simply pointing out that it is not true that Sweden has the highest death rate per capita in the world. That report was misleading and actually reported that it had the highest per capita death rate for that one week.

Well they did for that week.


THAT is true. "Sweden now has the highest death rate per capita in the world", is not true.

Sweden is interesting and no one can say yet whether they have done the right or the wrong thing. If the virus continues throughout the US & Europe and continues in wave after wave with continual lockdown, then Sweden will be in front because they will reach herd immunity without destroying their economy and without overloading their health system (unnecessary deaths through lack of care). However if in the US & Europe they manage to crush the virus down with no second or subsequent waves, then Sweden pulled the wrong rein.

The guy that promoted the decision to go with no lockdown in Sweden has been stating he is not convinced they made the right choice, they really are at a tipping point at the moment so will be interesting to see where it goes.


I agree. I'm not making the case that Sweden has done the right thing. Originally I was correcting a post that said they were worst per capita for death rate which was incorrect, but I also think that no one can say at this point if their strategy worked or not because we done know how this virus will end.
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150943) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150942) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150941) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150936) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150935) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150933) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150932) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150930) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150897) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150844) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150478) said:
Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

Just been reported that Sweden now has the highest per capital death rate of any Nation. Sweden are paying for their lack of action.


Except its not true, quite a few countries ahead of Swedens still including UK, France Spain. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Go back and re-read that report. It was the highest per capita death rate, for that week.


They are still paying for thier lack of action. How many thousand dead?

3925. Im not making an argument that they are doing a good or a bad job, just simply pointing out that it is not true that Sweden has the highest death rate per capita in the world. That report was misleading and actually reported that it had the highest per capita death rate for that one week.

Well they did for that week.


THAT is true. "Sweden now has the highest death rate per capita in the world", is not true.

Sweden is interesting and no one can say yet whether they have done the right or the wrong thing. If the virus continues throughout the US & Europe and continues in wave after wave with continual lockdown, then Sweden will be in front because they will reach herd immunity without destroying their economy and without overloading their health system (unnecessary deaths through lack of care). However if in the US & Europe they manage to crush the virus down with no second or subsequent waves, then Sweden pulled the wrong rein.

Sweeden population 10,099,265. 3,925 dead. Australia population 25,499,884. 101 dead. Pretty obvisous to me that they got it wrong.


You cant compare any country to Australia except maybe NZ, for "our land is girt by sea".

Australia is at an almost unique situation geographically, where as Europe has completely different constraints and parameters. Compare Sweden to Italy, Spain, France etc. These countries have similar conditions to Sweden and Sweden has done better than these countries on a per capita death rate basis. Also compare to Norway, Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden is doing worse than these countries per capita death rate, but this is almost irelevant because no one really knows how this thing ends.

Does it just fizzle out in the medium term in US & Europe and they successfully get back to normal life in the medium term? If so Sweden made the wrong choice.

Does the virus persist, with ongoing waves of infections in Europe? If so Sweden will be a mile ahead.

Sure you can, I just did.


You also concluded this conversation.

And what would have happened if we didn’t introduce the measures we did in the timeframe we did and we went for herd immunity like Sweden and initially England did. I would not be surprise to see the deaths at over 10,000 by now, not 101. It’s a fair comparison, Sweden got it wrong.
 
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150941) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150936) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150935) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150933) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150932) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150930) said:
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150897) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150844) said:
@Hangonaminute said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1150478) said:
Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

Just been reported that Sweden now has the highest per capital death rate of any Nation. Sweden are paying for their lack of action.


Except its not true, quite a few countries ahead of Swedens still including UK, France Spain. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Go back and re-read that report. It was the highest per capita death rate, for that week.


They are still paying for thier lack of action. How many thousand dead?

3925. Im not making an argument that they are doing a good or a bad job, just simply pointing out that it is not true that Sweden has the highest death rate per capita in the world. That report was misleading and actually reported that it had the highest per capita death rate for that one week.

Well they did for that week.


THAT is true. "Sweden now has the highest death rate per capita in the world", is not true.

Sweden is interesting and no one can say yet whether they have done the right or the wrong thing. If the virus continues throughout the US & Europe and continues in wave after wave with continual lockdown, then Sweden will be in front because they will reach herd immunity without destroying their economy and without overloading their health system (unnecessary deaths through lack of care). However if in the US & Europe they manage to crush the virus down with no second or subsequent waves, then Sweden pulled the wrong rein.

Sweeden population 10,099,265. 3,925 dead. Australia population 25,499,884. 101 dead. Pretty obvisous to me that they got it wrong.


You cant compare any country to Australia except maybe NZ, for "our land is girt by sea".

Australia is at an almost unique situation geographically, where as Europe has completely different constraints and parameters. Compare Sweden to Italy, Spain, France etc. These countries have similar conditions to Sweden and Sweden has done better than these countries on a per capita death rate basis. Also compare to Norway, Netherlands, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden is doing worse than these countries per capita death rate, but this is almost irelevant because no one really knows how this thing ends.

Does it just fizzle out in the medium term in US & Europe and they successfully get back to normal life in the medium term? If so Sweden made the wrong choice.

Does the virus persist, with ongoing waves of infections in Europe? If so Sweden will be a mile ahead.

Really the most reliable comparison that can be made for Sweden is the other Scandinavian countries and as you said at this point they are doing worse. I'm not arguing with you, it is just an interesting discussion to see where this will end up for those countries and also what happens to our number in the next 10 days or so.
 
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