Coronavirus Outbreak

[pawsandclaws1]

fingers crossed it won't take too long for international travel to be relaxed. We wont last long without our cohort of international students...i won't have a class to teach by term 1 2021

International travel? IMO 2025 is a realist timeframe.

 

[Geo]

12 Pax on a bus and 32 Pax on a rail carriage. Yet we have Joyce advising us that being packed in like sardines on internal flights is okay so long as you have a face mask and sterilise your own table, armrests etc. Commonwealth CMO apparently agrees. Certainly does raise questions about the independence of some advice. It's sort of like trying to pick up a turd from the good end.

That on public transport is being ignored...100 on my sisters train this morning...buses also leaving from Campbelltown with many more than 12 on board..

 

[pawsandclaws1]

12 Pax on a bus and 32 Pax on a rail carriage. Yet we have Joyce advising us that being packed in like sardines on internal flights is okay so long as you have a face mask and sterilise your own table, armrests etc. Commonwealth CMO apparently agrees. Certainly does raise questions about the independence of some advice. It's sort of like trying to pick up a turd from the good end.

That on public transport is being ignored...100 on my sisters train this morning...buses also leaving from Campbelltown with many more than 12 on board..

It is a disaster. Some commuters are so selfish. Hurstville train station is a good example where most commuters don't care enough about the welfare of fellow passengers.

 

[cochise]

12 Pax on a bus and 32 Pax on a rail carriage. Yet we have Joyce advising us that being packed in like sardines on internal flights is okay so long as you have a face mask and sterilise your own table, armrests etc. Commonwealth CMO apparently agrees. Certainly does raise questions about the independence of some advice. It's sort of like trying to pick up a turd from the good end.

That on public transport is being ignored...100 on my sisters train this morning...buses also leaving from Campbelltown with many more than 12 on board..

It is a disaster. Some commuters are so selfish. Hurstville train station is a good example where most commuters don't care enough about the welfare of fellow passengers.

I wouldn't go near a train or bus atm, I am lucky though as I don't need to. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have a choice.

 

[trentrunciman]

fingers crossed it won't take too long for international travel to be relaxed. We wont last long without our cohort of international students...i won't have a class to teach by term 1 2021

International travel? IMO 2025 is a realist timeframe.

i'm hoping end of this year or early 2021...otherwise i'll be heading to centrelink

 

[trentrunciman]

12 Pax on a bus and 32 Pax on a rail carriage. Yet we have Joyce advising us that being packed in like sardines on internal flights is okay so long as you have a face mask and sterilise your own table, armrests etc. Commonwealth CMO apparently agrees. Certainly does raise questions about the independence of some advice. It's sort of like trying to pick up a turd from the good end.

That on public transport is being ignored...100 on my sisters train this morning...buses also leaving from Campbelltown with many more than 12 on board..

It is a disaster. Some commuters are so selfish. Hurstville train station is a good example where most commuters don't care enough about the welfare of fellow passengers.

I wouldn't go near a train or bus atm, I am lucky though as I don't need to. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have a choice.

i catch the bus. I'ts been pretty good. Most of the time its like i have a private bus chauffeuring me to work everyday

 

[Papacito]

Yet we have Joyce advising us that being packed in like sardines on internal flights is okay so long as you have a face mask and sterilise your own table, armrests etc. Commonwealth CMO apparently agrees. Certainly does raise questions about the independence of some advice. It's sort of like trying to pick up a turd from the good end.

A completely false and dangerous claim from Joyce.

It should have been condemned far and wide by every politician.

He's undermining every social distancing effort that we've worked hard for. It only takes a small percentage of the population to believe this garbage and get lazy for the virus to get a foothold.

I wish it were true though. I've had to cancel two overseas trips so far.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

So dopey Donald's been taking Hydroxychloroquine (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is ineffective as has danger side-effects) for nearly a fortnight .. Because he's "had a lot of positive calls about it"

Col to enter the thread and defend the Don's honour in 3... 2... 1...

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Yet we have Joyce advising us that being packed in like sardines on internal flights is okay so long as you have a face mask and sterilise your own table, armrests etc. Commonwealth CMO apparently agrees. Certainly does raise questions about the independence of some advice. It's sort of like trying to pick up a turd from the good end.

A completely false and dangerous claim from Joyce.

It should have been condemned far and wide by every politician.

He's undermining every social distancing effort that we've worked hard for. It only takes a small percentage of the population to believe this garbage and get lazy for the virus to get a foothold.

I wish it were true though. I've had to cancel two overseas trips so far.

Agreed. It was sickening having to watch him try and justify it.

 

[Tim Sheens]

fingers crossed it won't take too long for international travel to be relaxed. We wont last long without our cohort of international students...i won't have a class to teach by term 1 2021

International travel? IMO 2025 is a realist timeframe.

i'm hoping end of this year or early 2021...otherwise i'll be heading to centrelink

Unless you are teaching English, then I don't see why you shouldn't have full classes with so many needing to re-skill in the coming years. Though I doubt that you will, as public education, apart from it's privatisation or destruction, has long been put on the backburner.

It seems an age, but wasn't that long ago that training was compulsory for reasonable sized businesses.

 

[Snake]

12 Pax on a bus and 32 Pax on a rail carriage. Yet we have Joyce advising us that being packed in like sardines on internal flights is okay so long as you have a face mask and sterilise your own table, armrests etc. Commonwealth CMO apparently agrees. Certainly does raise questions about the independence of some advice. It's sort of like trying to pick up a turd from the good end.

That on public transport is being ignored...100 on my sisters train this morning...buses also leaving from Campbelltown with many more than 12 on board..

Even when there is conflicting evidence about the wearing of face masks ... IMO in the short term it should be mandatory for all passengers on public transport to wear a face mask !
These are the places where the spread will be at its peak ... your fellow citizens could not give a stuff about your welfare ... be pro active and wear a mask !!!???

 

[Guest]

fingers crossed it won't take too long for international travel to be relaxed. We wont last long without our cohort of international students...i won't have a class to teach by term 1 2021

International travel? IMO 2025 is a realist timeframe.

i'm hoping end of this year or early 2021...otherwise i'll be heading to centrelink

Forget this year. Things may go back to normal with international travel in late 2021

 

[jadtiger]

That ego maniac Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has stated that the fact that the USA has the most coronavirus cases in the world is a "badge of honour" because it means they are doing the most testing(BBC website).He probably says the same about his golf game as he has the most strokes per round.
I would hate to be living in the USA.

 

[Hangonaminute]

Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

 

[happy_tiger]

That ego maniac Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has stated that the fact that the USA has the most coronavirus cases in the world is a "badge of honour" because it means they are doing the most testing(BBC website).He probably says the same about his golf game as he has the most strokes per round.
I would hate to be living in the USA.

If you've ever seen the movie Welcome to Mooseport ....Donald would be off a 10 handicap and have 30 secret service people throwing his ball back into the middle of the fairway

 

[JD Tiger]

Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

There's reportedly over 5 million people dead across the world due to this. And in actuality the deaths resultant from this corona pandemic is really much higher. I'm sure there's been many mistakes, by those in charge all across the world. And maybe the models were all wrong, the social isolation made it worse, maybe so.

Of all the hundreds of different ways it could have gone, I am certain that the way it has gone is **not** the best possible outcome with the least deaths and least pain and hurt on everyone else.

I don't understand why you keep belittling the corona virus when the effect it has had has been so huge? You seem to be trying to raise awareness to those isolated from the social isolation, and that isolation is exacerbating the mental health trouble they have. Mate, we got it, I got it, I feel gutted for everyone adversely affected by this, and for everyone that has died, and suffered. You don't have to lessen the impact of the corona virus to shine light on the impact of the isolation. All aspects of this covid19 and consequent isolation are horrible.

 

[cochise]

Covid19 facts

Children are more likely to die from the flu than covid19.
CDC data Dr Scott Atlas Stanford.

If you are under the age of 24, you're more likely to be struck by lightning than to die covid19.
Avic Roy data

More than half of covid19 deaths in 20 states of the USA were in nursing homes.
81% in Minnesota
75% in Rhode island
72% in New Hampshire
60% in Oregon, Washington state, North Carolina, Nabraska, Massachusetts, Delaware and other states.

When Colarado revised their death toll to differentiate between those who died 'with' covid to those who died 'from' covid, their death toll dropped 25%.
According to the governor of Colorado.

Lockdowns are more deadly, people commit suicide at higher rates thanks to unemployment according to the bureau of economic research and statistics.

The economic devestation from lockdowns causes poverty worldwide which could lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of children, according to the United nations.

In places like Sweden, Georgia or Florida where lockdowns were lifted or there were never any to begin with, there has been no massive outbreak of covid19

The highest risk of covid19 transmission is at home among family members according to studies from Hong Kong, Germany and Taiwan
The risk of transmitting the virus outdoors is 18 times less.

The prediction models were wrong, have been proven wrong, but politicians who based their covid19 lockdown policies on those models have refused to revise them even when shown that the models are wrong.

There's reportedly over 5 million people dead across the world due to this. And in actuality the deaths resultant from this corona pandemic is really much higher. I'm sure there's been many mistakes, by those in charge all across the world. And maybe the models were all wrong, the social isolation made it worse, maybe so.

Of all the hundreds of different ways it could have gone, I am certain that the way it has gone is **not** the best possible outcome with the least deaths and least pain and hurt on everyone else.

I don't understand why you keep belittling the corona virus when the effect it has had has been so huge? You seem to be trying to raise awareness to those isolated from the social isolation, and that isolation is exacerbating the mental health trouble they have. Mate, we got it, I got it, I feel gutted for everyone adversely affected by this, and for everyone that has died, and suffered. You don't have to lessen the impact of the corona virus to shine light on the impact of the isolation. All aspects of this covid19 and consequent isolation are horrible.

Good post mate, I think it is very hard to argue that the lockdown we had here was extremely effective in flattening out our curve and slowing the spread. The reduction in out infection rate just correlates to precisely with the measured we introduced.

@Hangonaminute believes this was some overt effort to change the way our society functions by the overlords, there is not a lot of point arguing with that sort of logic.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

That ego maniac Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has stated that the fact that the USA has the most coronavirus cases in the world is a "badge of honour" because it means they are doing the most testing(BBC website).He probably says the same about his golf game as he has the most strokes per round.
I would hate to be living in the USA.

If you've ever seen the movie Welcome to Mooseport ....Donald would be off a 10 handicap and have 30 secret service people throwing his ball back into the middle of the fairway

Every photo i’ve seen of him playing golf, he’s been playing out of the rough.

 

[diedpretty]

No offence to our Qld members but I plead with Anna P. to keep the border closed. A State that has given us Jo Bjelke Peterson, Alan Jones and the bordermeister, I say keep it to yourselves. I read an article in the Guardian where Dutts is proposing draconian legislation to take away some of our freedom we currently enjoy under the cover of this pandemic.

Yeah I agree but for different reasons

Stop moving up here

Off to Palm Cove again in November. Owned houses at Trinity Beach and intended to move their but things didn't work out. So its just the annual trip up now.

 

[mike]

It’s official: Covid-19 is deadlier than the seasonal flu.

That’s the conclusion of a new study led by the University of Washington that looked to find the national death rate among people in the US infected with SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus that causes Covid-19. Reported in the journal Health Affairs, their statistical model found that people who display symptoms of Covid-19 have a fatality rate of around 1.3 percent. For comparison, the rate of death for the seasonal flu is 0.1 percent.

“COVID-19 infection is deadlier than flu — we can put that debate to rest,” Anirban Basu, study author and professor of health economics at the UW School of Pharmacy, said in a statement.

The researchers gathered the data from the UW Choice Institute School of Pharmacy's Covid-19 platform, which looks at infection and fatality rates by US counties for people with symptoms. Out of the areas that contained enough robust data (116 counties in 33 states), the infection fatality rate in the US was estimated to be 1.3 percent, with county-specific rates varying between 0.5 percent to 3.6 percent.

While it’s worth remembering that many people can be infected with Covid-19 and only experience minimal to no symptoms, the statistics are still jarring.

The researchers say the conservative estimate of 20 percent of the US population becoming infected by the end of this year could result in the number of deaths climbing to between 350,000 and 1.2 million. However, they were quick to add that these projections are subject to change depending on the public health response to the ongoing crisis.

“This is a staggering number, which can only be brought down with sound public health measures,” Professor Basu said.

“The overall estimate can both increase or decrease in the future, depending on the demographics where the infections will be spreading. It is possible, as the infection spreads to more rural counties of the country, the overall infection fatality rate will increase due to the lack of access to necessary health care delivery.”

This research isn't the first to conclude that Covid-19 is not “just another flu.” Last week, an article in JAMA Internal Medicine found Covid-19 causes 20 times more deaths per week compared to the seasonal flu even in the deadliest week of an average influenza season.

Writing in the report, Dr Carlos del Rio and Dr Jeremy Faust say that politicians and public figures often draw comparisons between seasonal influenza and SARS-CoV-2 mortality “in an attempt to minimize the effects of the unfolding pandemic.” However, they argue these comparisons are based on misleading assumptions and the fact that the number of people killed by influenza isn't reported in the same way as Covid-19 deaths. If the two diseases are contrasted with an "apples-to-apples comparison," they argue, then the stark reality of the Covid-19 pandemic becomes all the clearer.

“Although officials may say that SARS-CoV-2 is ‘just another flu,’ this is not true,” the researchers conclude.