Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tiger5150]

So, a bit more truthful (unusual for the Tele, but there you go). The incubation period of the virus is normally up to about 14 days. The BLM march was on June 6.

Virus cases started to spike June 15 (9 days after BLM).



That is all I have been saying all along (despite being accused of pushing a narrative that is convenient for an undisclosed reason). If something looks like a duck, walks like a duck..etc etc.. IMO it is too much of a coincidence that other restrictions etc can be reduced without a corresponding spike (Formerguest showed photos or eased restrictions back in May) but 9-14 days after you get 10,000 people, including at least 4 people with COVID, shoulder to shoulder screaming their lungs out, cases spike and then everyone starts to fall all over themselves to make a point it wasnt the BLM march.

 

[JD Tiger]

Well what a convenient narrative…

It may well be true. The decision to hold the BLM march was irresponsible.

But, I've only seen this report in The Australian and I just don't trust the Murdoch press. It is a well known manipulator of the news to further it's owner's particular political ideologies.

The last report I heard from The Vic Dept of Health (Prof. Brett Sutton) was that the genome of the viruses tested to date
all relate to the quarantine outbreak and that this particular genome wasn't present in Australia at the time of the BLM marches. I haven't heard any update on that advice.

So, as I say, it may be true but personally I'll wait to hear it from the Health Dept or from a more reliable news source than Rupert's empire.


It is being reported more widely, all the same story vaguely stating... "Health officials confirm.."

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/melbourne-coronavirus-cluster-linked-to-black-lives-matter-protest-as-victoria-records-more-cases-c-1166823

This is from the Daily Telegraph (also a Murdoch paper):

"It comes as two protesters who attended the Black Lives Matter rally have had their COVID-19 cases linked to the outbreak in Melbourne’s public housing towers.

Health authorities have confirmed the link without saying if the protesters lived, visited or were close contacts of those in the towers, The Australian reports.

The public housing cluster has seen at least 242 cases.

Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton previously said it was unlikely the protesters caught the virus at the rally in Melbourne’s CBD which was attended by 10,000 people on June 6.

The link does not necessarily mean the protesters were the original source of the public housing tower outbreak, which is the state’s largest cluster to date."

So, a bit more truthful (unusual for the Tele, but there you go). The incubation period of the virus is normally up to about 14 days. The BLM march was on June 6.

I don't get how several big towers with many apartments can have so many people all get sick.

Is it shared living, where they share kitchens and such? If they are self-contained units, then I would have thought a lot of people would normally not have much to do with their neighbours.

Did it get into the ventilation or something?

I believe they have shared laundries?

Ah okay, that'd make sense.

 

[Aesopian]

Well what a convenient narrative…

It may well be true. The decision to hold the BLM march was irresponsible.

But, I've only seen this report in The Australian and I just don't trust the Murdoch press. It is a well known manipulator of the news to further it's owner's particular political ideologies.

The last report I heard from The Vic Dept of Health (Prof. Brett Sutton) was that the genome of the viruses tested to date
all relate to the quarantine outbreak and that this particular genome wasn't present in Australia at the time of the BLM marches. I haven't heard any update on that advice.

So, as I say, it may be true but personally I'll wait to hear it from the Health Dept or from a more reliable news source than Rupert's empire.


It is being reported more widely, all the same story vaguely stating... "Health officials confirm.."

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/melbourne-coronavirus-cluster-linked-to-black-lives-matter-protest-as-victoria-records-more-cases-c-1166823

This is from the Daily Telegraph (also a Murdoch paper):

"It comes as two protesters who attended the Black Lives Matter rally have had their COVID-19 cases linked to the outbreak in Melbourne’s public housing towers.

Health authorities have confirmed the link without saying if the protesters lived, visited or were close contacts of those in the towers, The Australian reports.

The public housing cluster has seen at least 242 cases.

Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton previously said it was unlikely the protesters caught the virus at the rally in Melbourne’s CBD which was attended by 10,000 people on June 6.

The link does not necessarily mean the protesters were the original source of the public housing tower outbreak, which is the state’s largest cluster to date."

So, a bit more truthful (unusual for the Tele, but there you go). The incubation period of the virus is normally up to about 14 days. The BLM march was on June 6.

I don't get how several big towers with many apartments can have so many people all get sick.

Is it shared living, where they share kitchens and such? If they are self-contained units, then I would have thought a lot of people would normally not have much to do with their neighbours.

Did it get into the ventilation or something?

I was living in HK during the SARS outbreak in the early 2000's. They concluded that a lot of infections were caused by transmissions through bathroom ventilation systems and improperly sealed or cracked plumbing.
*Warning next part is a bit gross*... some dude had a bad case of diarrhoea which resulted in the infection of most residents in his apartment building.
Afterwards an instruction was put out for all bathroom ventilation ports to be temporarily sealed, which in turn stopped the spread.

 

[Tim Sheens]

The interesting thing about The Australian article is that it is probably 100% accurate whilst at the same time possibly being totally misleading.

I'm sure that most people who read that article will think that these irresponsible people went to the BLM march, caught Covid 19 and then spread it through this Melbourne tower block. But of course the article doesn't say that. It says this:

"Health authorities have confirmed a link between two COVID-19 cases in people who attended the Black Lives Matter protest in Melbourne and the public housing tower cluster."

So, some people who went to the BLM march ultimately contracted Covid 19 somewhere and they live in, or are linked to people who live in, the Melbourne tower block.

Now, I can't get through the pay wall to see if that article contains anything more specific but if anyone here can, I'm quite happy to be corrected.

In the meantime I'll rely on the statements made by Prof. Brett Sutton that the genome of the virus detected in this latest outbreak was not present in Australia at the time of the BLM march.

No ambiguity in that statement.

Just do a Google search on the words in the above link, then you should be able to read it after removing the subscription pop up. You will then find as you suspected, in that it is just a further episode of an unsubstantiated narrative to their flock.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Well what a convenient narrative…

It may well be true. The decision to hold the BLM march was irresponsible.

But, I've only seen this report in The Australian and I just don't trust the Murdoch press. It is a well known manipulator of the news to further it's owner's particular political ideologies.

The last report I heard from The Vic Dept of Health (Prof. Brett Sutton) was that the genome of the viruses tested to date
all relate to the quarantine outbreak and that this particular genome wasn't present in Australia at the time of the BLM marches. I haven't heard any update on that advice.

So, as I say, it may be true but personally I'll wait to hear it from the Health Dept or from a more reliable news source than Rupert's empire.


It is being reported more widely, all the same story vaguely stating... "Health officials confirm.."

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/melbourne-coronavirus-cluster-linked-to-black-lives-matter-protest-as-victoria-records-more-cases-c-1166823

This is from the Daily Telegraph (also a Murdoch paper):

"It comes as two protesters who attended the Black Lives Matter rally have had their COVID-19 cases linked to the outbreak in Melbourne’s public housing towers.

Health authorities have confirmed the link without saying if the protesters lived, visited or were close contacts of those in the towers, The Australian reports.

The public housing cluster has seen at least 242 cases.

Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton previously said it was unlikely the protesters caught the virus at the rally in Melbourne’s CBD which was attended by 10,000 people on June 6.

The link does not necessarily mean the protesters were the original source of the public housing tower outbreak, which is the state’s largest cluster to date."

So, a bit more truthful (unusual for the Tele, but there you go). The incubation period of the virus is normally up to about 14 days. The BLM march was on June 6.

I don't get how several big towers with many apartments can have so many people all get sick.

Is it shared living, where they share kitchens and such? If they are self-contained units, then I would have thought a lot of people would normally not have much to do with their neighbours.

Did it get into the ventilation or something?

I believe they have shared laundries?

Ah okay, that'd make sense.

Not to mention small and inadequate elevator numbers, which one would expect to be a perfect transmission opportunity.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

They scramble now to go out of the way to say the spike in covid was not caused by BLM march how convenient... coincidence much

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Well what a convenient narrative…

It may well be true. The decision to hold the BLM march was irresponsible.

But, I've only seen this report in The Australian and I just don't trust the Murdoch press. It is a well known manipulator of the news to further it's owner's particular political ideologies.

The last report I heard from The Vic Dept of Health (Prof. Brett Sutton) was that the genome of the viruses tested to date
all relate to the quarantine outbreak and that this particular genome wasn't present in Australia at the time of the BLM marches. I haven't heard any update on that advice.

So, as I say, it may be true but personally I'll wait to hear it from the Health Dept or from a more reliable news source than Rupert's empire.


It is being reported more widely, all the same story vaguely stating... "Health officials confirm.."

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/melbourne-coronavirus-cluster-linked-to-black-lives-matter-protest-as-victoria-records-more-cases-c-1166823

This is from the Daily Telegraph (also a Murdoch paper):

"It comes as two protesters who attended the Black Lives Matter rally have had their COVID-19 cases linked to the outbreak in Melbourne’s public housing towers.

Health authorities have confirmed the link without saying if the protesters lived, visited or were close contacts of those in the towers, The Australian reports.

The public housing cluster has seen at least 242 cases.

Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton previously said it was unlikely the protesters caught the virus at the rally in Melbourne’s CBD which was attended by 10,000 people on June 6.

The link does not necessarily mean the protesters were the original source of the public housing tower outbreak, which is the state’s largest cluster to date."

So, a bit more truthful (unusual for the Tele, but there you go). The incubation period of the virus is normally up to about 14 days. The BLM march was on June 6.

I don't get how several big towers with many apartments can have so many people all get sick.

Is it shared living, where they share kitchens and such? If they are self-contained units, then I would have thought a lot of people would normally not have much to do with their neighbours.

Did it get into the ventilation or something?

I was living in HK during the SARS outbreak in the early 2000's. They concluded that a lot of infections were caused by transmissions through bathroom ventilation systems and improperly sealed or cracked plumbing.
*Warning next part is a bit gross*... some dude had a bad case of diarrhoea which resulted in the infection of most residents in his apartment building.
Afterwards an instruction was put out for all bathroom ventilation ports to be temporarily sealed, which in turn stopped the spread.

Is there such thing as a good dose of diarrhoea?

 

[Tiger5150]

The interesting thing about The Australian article is that it is probably 100% accurate whilst at the same time possibly being totally misleading.

I'm sure that most people who read that article will think that these irresponsible people went to the BLM march, caught Covid 19 and then spread it through this Melbourne tower block. But of course the article doesn't say that. It says this:

"Health authorities have confirmed a link between two COVID-19 cases in people who attended the Black Lives Matter protest in Melbourne and the public housing tower cluster."

So, some people who went to the BLM march ultimately contracted Covid 19 somewhere and they live in, or are linked to people who live in, the Melbourne tower block.

Now, I can't get through the pay wall to see if that article contains anything more specific but if anyone here can, I'm quite happy to be corrected.

In the meantime I'll rely on the statements made by Prof. Brett Sutton that the genome of the virus detected in this latest outbreak was not present in Australia at the time of the BLM march.

No ambiguity in that statement.

Just do a Google search on the words in the above link, then you should be able to read it after removing the subscription pop up. You will then find as you suspected, in that it is just a further episode of an unsubstantiated narrative to their flock.

Ill give you another chance, what is the narrative and why is it convenient. What is the advantage that anyone gains by incorrectly linking the spikes to the BLM marches? What ideology exactly benefits? Ill ask directly....are you implying (or otherwise) that it is a racist narrative?

 

[Aesopian]

Well what a convenient narrative…

It may well be true. The decision to hold the BLM march was irresponsible.

But, I've only seen this report in The Australian and I just don't trust the Murdoch press. It is a well known manipulator of the news to further it's owner's particular political ideologies.

The last report I heard from The Vic Dept of Health (Prof. Brett Sutton) was that the genome of the viruses tested to date
all relate to the quarantine outbreak and that this particular genome wasn't present in Australia at the time of the BLM marches. I haven't heard any update on that advice.

So, as I say, it may be true but personally I'll wait to hear it from the Health Dept or from a more reliable news source than Rupert's empire.


It is being reported more widely, all the same story vaguely stating... "Health officials confirm.."

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/melbourne-coronavirus-cluster-linked-to-black-lives-matter-protest-as-victoria-records-more-cases-c-1166823

This is from the Daily Telegraph (also a Murdoch paper):

"It comes as two protesters who attended the Black Lives Matter rally have had their COVID-19 cases linked to the outbreak in Melbourne’s public housing towers.

Health authorities have confirmed the link without saying if the protesters lived, visited or were close contacts of those in the towers, The Australian reports.

The public housing cluster has seen at least 242 cases.

Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton previously said it was unlikely the protesters caught the virus at the rally in Melbourne’s CBD which was attended by 10,000 people on June 6.

The link does not necessarily mean the protesters were the original source of the public housing tower outbreak, which is the state’s largest cluster to date."

So, a bit more truthful (unusual for the Tele, but there you go). The incubation period of the virus is normally up to about 14 days. The BLM march was on June 6.

I don't get how several big towers with many apartments can have so many people all get sick.

Is it shared living, where they share kitchens and such? If they are self-contained units, then I would have thought a lot of people would normally not have much to do with their neighbours.

Did it get into the ventilation or something?

I was living in HK during the SARS outbreak in the early 2000's. They concluded that a lot of infections were caused by transmissions through bathroom ventilation systems and improperly sealed or cracked plumbing.
*Warning next part is a bit gross*... some dude had a bad case of diarrhoea which resulted in the infection of most residents in his apartment building.
Afterwards an instruction was put out for all bathroom ventilation ports to be temporarily sealed, which in turn stopped the spread.

Is there such thing as a good dose of diarrhoea?

No

I guess you could have 'Tolerable' VS 'Full blown disaster'

 

[tigger]

So, a bit more truthful (unusual for the Tele, but there you go). The incubation period of the virus is normally up to about 14 days. The BLM march was on June 6.

Virus cases started to spike June 15 (9 days after BLM).



That is all I have been saying all along (despite being accused of pushing a narrative that is convenient for an undisclosed reason). If something looks like a duck, walks like a duck..etc etc.. IMO it is too much of a coincidence that other restrictions etc can be reduced without a corresponding spike (Formerguest showed photos or eased restrictions back in May) but 9-14 days after you get 10,000 people, including at least 4 people with COVID, shoulder to shoulder screaming their lungs out, cases spike and then everyone starts to fall all over themselves to make a point it wasnt the BLM march.

If there are cases that arise from the BLM march then so be it. I'm not exactly interested in denying it because I thought the march was irresponsible and I've been saying that from day 1. The numbers might indicate linkage to the BLM march but it seems to be the only thing that does, because the contact tracing doesn't nor does the scientific evidence by way of genome sequencing. A lot of other things were going on around the same time that appear more closely linked to the upsurge.

I don't think the government could have done a lot to stop the BLM march. They highlighted the danger and asked people not to attend. It would have been impossible to hand out fines to everyone and if the police had started arresting people I suspect they might have caused a riot. At very least it would have provided ample scope for ongoing activism. I think the government's response was simply pragmatic. In practical terms it didn't differ that much from what happened in NSW.

But I think there is a convenient narrative there for those who want to score a political point against the government. (I'm talking about the Vic Opposition here and some of the media outlets, not you Tiger5150). These elements are just salivating at the prospect of a BLM triggered upsurge in cases.

Unfortunately for them results coming from the Health Department just don't support that narrative.

The article in the Australian seems to be an attempt to keep that narrative alive despite the lack of evidence. And the article doesn't really draw out the linkage as cause and effect. You could equally ask how many Rugby League supporters were at the Crossroads hotel?

Maybe we can look forward to a headline:
"RUGBY LEAGUE SUPPORTERS LINKED TO CROSSROADS OUTBREAK". They could run that one on both the front and back pages.

Heaven forbid that any of them might be Wests Tigers supporters.

 

[tigger]

I know this is from the ABC, so for some people it could be a conspiracy between the ABC, the Victorian Government, the Victorian Health Department and Australia's Chief Health Officer, but for those of us who aren't conspiracy theorists I hope it goes some way to putting to bed the narrative around the BLM march and the upsurge in coronavirus infections in Victoria.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-26/coronacheck-victoria-black-lives-matter-protests-family-spike/12391628

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I know this is from the ABC, so for some people it could be a conspiracy between the ABC, the Victorian Government, the Victorian Health Department and Australia's Chief Health Officer, but for those of us who aren't conspiracy theorists I hope it goes some way to putting to bed the narrative around the BLM march and the upsurge in coronavirus infections in Victoria.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-26/coronacheck-victoria-black-lives-matter-protests-family-spike/12391628

It's not just the BLM rally, it's also the relaxing of lockdown laws too. These people who have been infected in Victoria have come up to NSW and drink in the pubs here, some of which are no adhering to the guidelines of relaxed rules, and started a cluster in NSW again which will force the state back into either a regional or statewide lockdown. There is multiple angles to this. We will not eliminate the virus in this country without vaccines, there are simply too many stupid and selfish people.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Can only hope that this is not true.
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[cochise]

Can only hope that this is not true.
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Doesn't seem to match up with what they have been doing to this point so I doubt it.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Can only hope that this is not true.
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Doesn't seem to match up with what they have been doing to this point so I doubt it.

Was busy before, so just had a further look and she certainly seems legit, and our governmental response disappointing.
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[cochise]

Can only hope that this is not true.
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Doesn't seem to match up with what they have been doing to this point so I doubt it.

Was busy before, so just had a further look and she certainly seems legit, and our governmental response disappointing.
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Interesting, I can understand why an unaccompanied minor would be exempt from hotel quarantine but they should be told they need to isolate in the home for 14 days with spot checks done and testing the same as the process for people in hotel quarantine.

 

[jadtiger]

As usual it dosent say much for our governments control (ALL GOVERNMENTS)

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm not trying to make light of the situation ...but this Crossroad Hotel must be something special ...almost like if you weren't there you not in the right crowd

 

[pawsandclaws1]

These individuals who turn up on the QLD border expecting to be let in when they are from Vic or virus areas should immediately receive a $4k fine or gaol. Do these people think about the safety of others?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

In today's edition of "Is that true, or did News Limited tell you that?"