Coronavirus Outbreak

[mike]

Hallelujah about time .. if people do not want to do the right thing they have to be made ! It’s the spreaders that are the problem.. the economy has to remain open ! I do not like mandatory anything but this needs to happen .. I want to sit in our seats at the footy this season !

I’m meant to be attending my first cousins wedding tomorrow but an immediate family member has developed a fever and I’ve developed cold symptoms in the past couple of hours. As much as I wanted to attend I’ve just sent my apologies as it’s too late to get a test and results. Would hate to be that person to spread to my family members, especially with elderly attending... I’m expecting some backlash as many of my extended family are anti restrictions/masks etc...

You are to be commended for your actions. While some of your family members may have a go at you, you can take solace in the fact that you may in fact have saved those same family members lives.

 

[mike]

If you had to have a second team, it would have to be the warriors.

I was thinking the same when I saw their arrival on the news. If any other team deserves my support it's the Warriors.

 

[Tiger5150]

Dr Chant's advice that NSW is planning ahead for the next five years in terms of Covid was positive. Her honesty in the SMH article that 'We need to remember we are continually under threat and we are never going back to normal. Covid will change our lives literally for years to come.' is refreshing.

As an Australian, I am disgusted that fellow Australiand are locked out of the State in which they reside. What is their status and what is the legality of this action? Vic Govt has a liking for harsh treatment of its residents. They have suffered significantly due to the virus and the unpreparedness of the DHHS. Surely Aus is better than harsh lockdowns and circling the wagons.

They do what need to be done. With those harsh lockdowns, it still took an awful long time to get things under control and reduce the numbers. You can't fiddle about the edges when dealing with a pandemic. I feel that is what Gladys is doing and good on her if it pays off this time. But It won't pay off every time. She'll get caught out and have a massive dilemna to deal with at some point.

You'll take luck every time ...but dumb luck .....as you said it will catch up with her at some stage and a big price will be paid

There seems to be a lot of dumb luck going around Happy.

The Tourism Sector wants Jobkeeper extended for 3 months for its members. The SMH reported this today. While the pandemic has had a major impact on the sector, the border lockdowns and harsh mandating of restrictions has also had a significant impact.

While I am supportive of assistance to all sectors, the States and Territories continue to rely on the Feds to fund Jobkeeper to maintain their closed borders. WA could lock itself away indefinitely with its iron ore earnings. NSW the same with its open borders and business as usual.

So what happens when the Feds say enough? What strategy does Qld and the other States have when the closed borders cannot be sustained?

Stuff tourism - bring back the Industrial Revolution and start manufacturing in this country.

We voted against anything even resembling that sort of stuff at the last three federal elections and along with manufacturing industry, I want a return to refining our own oil onshore, plus our universities to be educating our own first and foremost instead of running basically an international visa and immigration scheme through the sector.

I agree with nearly all of this.......*goes and has a lie down*

 

[mike]

Zero that is 0 locally acquired cases reported today. There will be at least two 2 tomorrow linked to Berala.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The comment from the CHO that the rate of infections in returning o/s travellers reflects what is happening in the world highlights how the risk to NSW is increasing. Also that NSW is tqking 'hotloads' amplifies the risk.

This is not meant to be political but the Feds really need to take control and limit the rate of return of overseas travellers. For example, each State take only 500 per week with the Feds directing higher risk plane loads to the NT.

 

[mike]

The comment from the CHO that the rate of infections in returning o/s travellers reflects what is happening in the world highlights how the risk to NSW is increasing. Also that NSW is tqking 'hotloads' amplifies the risk.

This is not meant to be political but the Feds really need to take control and limit the rate of return of overseas travellers. For example, each State take only 500 per week with the Feds directing higher risk plane loads to the NT.

And the quarantine needs to be in places other than the high density cities, where the consequences of an outbreak increases by the population of the city. They should also be in disused barracks or purpose built quarantine facilities.

 

[earl]

This is not meant to be political

It is political though isn't it. Some states simple aren't carrying their weight. Maybe better put NSW is carrying the brunt of the burden and that should change.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

The comment from the CHO that the rate of infections in returning o/s travellers reflects what is happening in the world highlights how the risk to NSW is increasing. Also that NSW is tqking 'hotloads' amplifies the risk.

This is not meant to be political but the Feds really need to take control and limit the rate of return of overseas travellers. For example, each State take only 500 per week with the Feds directing higher risk plane loads to the NT.

And the quarantine needs to be in places other than the high density cities, where the consequences of an outbreak increases by the population of the city. They should also be in disused barracks or purpose built quarantine facilities.

I agree, there is no ‘stick’ there are only ‘carrots’ in the current arrangement! It shall be that i.e. only 10% of a state income go to the federal fund from which other states are paid, everything else is held by the state. In this scheme no state would be interested to keep endlessly loosing money and creating more and more debt.

 

[Harvey]

The comment from the CHO that the rate of infections in returning o/s travellers reflects what is happening in the world highlights how the risk to NSW is increasing. Also that NSW is tqking 'hotloads' amplifies the risk.

This is not meant to be political but the Feds really need to take control and limit the rate of return of overseas travellers. For example, each State take only 500 per week with the Feds directing higher risk plane loads to the NT.

Didn't people whinge when it was suggested using Christmas Island as a quarantine station. It is really the safest option for the general population.

 

[Tiger5150]

The comment from the CHO that the rate of infections in returning o/s travellers reflects what is happening in the world highlights how the risk to NSW is increasing. Also that NSW is tqking 'hotloads' amplifies the risk.

This is not meant to be political but the Feds really need to take control and limit the rate of return of overseas travellers. For example, each State take only 500 per week with the Feds directing higher risk plane loads to the NT.

Didn't people whinge when it was suggested using Christmas Island as a quarantine station. It is really the safest option for the general population.

Ive seen this suggestion as well as other suggestions to decentralise overseas returns to regional areas. IMO this is not the best suggestion in that these places possibly dont have the infrastructure to deal with the inevitable outbreaks with regards testing and tracing (of course $$$ could be spent on this).

IMO a good short term would be to immediately start quarantining flight crews better.

 

[Papacito]

This is not meant to be political

It is political though isn't it. Some states simple aren't carrying their weight. Maybe better put NSW is carrying the brunt of the burden and that should change.

I hear this a lot, but apart from being Australia's main air hub, Sydney has incredible hotel room capacity compared to most places in Australia.

In any case, it's a federal government responsibility.

 

[cochise]

This is not meant to be political

It is political though isn't it. Some states simple aren't carrying their weight. Maybe better put NSW is carrying the brunt of the burden and that should change.

I hear this a lot, but apart from being Australia's main air hub, Sydney has incredible hotel room capacity compared to most places in Australia.

In any case, it's a federal government responsibility.

Well it hasn't been treated as such, state governments have been responsible for hotel quarantine.

 

[gallagher]

The comment from the CHO that the rate of infections in returning o/s travellers reflects what is happening in the world highlights how the risk to NSW is increasing. Also that NSW is tqking 'hotloads' amplifies the risk.

This is not meant to be political but the Feds really need to take control and limit the rate of return of overseas travellers. For example, each State take only 500 per week with the Feds directing higher risk plane loads to the NT.

Why is Sydney accepting so many more than other states? What's their reasoning?

 

[Tiger5150]

This is not meant to be political

It is political though isn't it. Some states simple aren't carrying their weight. Maybe better put NSW is carrying the brunt of the burden and that should change.

I hear this a lot, but apart from being Australia's main air hub, Sydney has incredible hotel room capacity compared to most places in Australia.

In any case, it's a federal government responsibility.

Great point. Its also something that I think is overlooked in misguided comparisons between us and the US. The fact that we are girt by sea is a massive bonus but also because we have a relatively small population and therefore relatively small inbound overseas traffic. The US has never had the possibility of using hotel quarantine, the numbers dont add up.

 

[Snake]

The comment from the CHO that the rate of infections in returning o/s travellers reflects what is happening in the world highlights how the risk to NSW is increasing. Also that NSW is tqking 'hotloads' amplifies the risk.

This is not meant to be political but the Feds really need to take control and limit the rate of return of overseas travellers. For example, each State take only 500 per week with the Feds directing higher risk plane loads to the NT.

Didn't people whinge when it was suggested using Christmas Island as a quarantine station. It is really the safest option for the general population.


Ive seen this suggestion as well as other suggestions to decentralise overseas returns to regional areas. IMO this is not the best suggestion in that these places possibly dont have the infrastructure to deal with the inevitable outbreaks with regards testing and tracing (of course $$$ could be spent on this).

IMO a good short term would be to immediately start quarantining flight crews better.

There is also the facility in NT .. if Aussie want to return they get what’s offered or stay where they are !

 

[pawsandclaws1]

This is not meant to be political

It is political though isn't it. Some states simple aren't carrying their weight. Maybe better put NSW is carrying the brunt of the burden and that should change.

Less numbers means less risk. It is easy to shut up shop and point the finger at NSW when the inevitable leak occurs.

 

[Cairnstigers]

This is not meant to be political

It is political though isn't it. Some states simple aren't carrying their weight. Maybe better put NSW is carrying the brunt of the burden and that should change.

So how does that work
Is it
Based on the population of the state ?
Based on the size of the state ?
Based on the tax revenue of the state
Based on the home state of those returning
Based on the state on which these people departed our country from
Based on the states with the best facilities (hospitals) to deal with the returning citizens
Based on the Airports that normally handle these returning citizens on a pre covid basis

The returning passengers have to foot the bill for isolation
This brings money to the hotels housing these returning citizens
It also provides jobs for those looking after these citizens while they are in isolation

Myself, I don't see why our citizens don't fly directly into the state in which they live
But there may be reasons why that does not happen
Eg : numbers on planes
Security issues
Associated costs
There may be a whole series of suppliers and services that are continually used when a plane load of citizens arrive
This helps restrict the amount of people who come into contact with these returning citizens
This in turn makes contract tracing easier and also helps in the prevention of the spread

There would be many reasons our government has decided this is the best corse action

 

[mike]

I’ll just leave this stat here... Though only looking at deaths is very binary and doesn’t take into account morbidity.

NSW 56 deaths - 63% of overseas returns.
Victoria 820 - 11.9% of overseas returns

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The Acting Premier today made a good suggestion that returning Australians arrive in Sydney and immediately catch flights to their home States to quarantine.The WA Premier did not like this at all and suggested it wasn't acting in the National interest! I think what he meant was it would expose WA, Qld, Vic; SA and Tas to much grearer risk of Covid. I would like this suggestion implemented immediately.

 

[mike]

The Acting Premier today made a good suggestion that returning Australians arrive in Sydney and immediately catch flights to their home States to quarantine.The WA Premier did not like this at all and suggested it wasn't acting in the National interest! I think what he meant was it would expose WA, Qld, Vic; SA and Tas to much grearer risk of Covid. I would like this suggestion implemented immediately.

Yes indeed ASAP. If nothing else it might stop the pointing of fingers at NSW in the way they are handling COVID19.