Coronavirus Outbreak

[Papacito]

*In Gladys Berejiklian’s press conference this morning, the NSW premier called on the nation’s leaders to “do better” when it came to border closures.

Holding his press conference at the same time, Mr McGowan was asked how he might find common ground with NSW.

**“There’s five states and two territories doing one thing, and one state doing something different. I go with the majority,” Mr McGowan said.**

“The states and territories that want to eliminate the virus, I think, have the right approach. The idea that you tick along with the virus and somehow that is a better model is wrong.

“And I just urge the New South Wales government and people in New South Wales to look outside of New South Wales of what other states and territories are doing in order to crush and kill the virus.*

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I reckon he has it spot on.

The current NSW policy makes it an absolute nightmare if you need to do physical work in another state.

Gladys can whinge about other states as much as she wants, but she's the odd one out.

 

[Tiger5150]

*In Gladys Berejiklian’s press conference this morning, the NSW premier called on the nation’s leaders to “do better” when it came to border closures.

Holding his press conference at the same time, Mr McGowan was asked how he might find common ground with NSW.

**“There’s five states and two territories doing one thing, and one state doing something different. I go with the majority,” Mr McGowan said.**

“The states and territories that want to eliminate the virus, I think, have the right approach. The idea that you tick along with the virus and somehow that is a better model is wrong.

“And I just urge the New South Wales government and people in New South Wales to look outside of New South Wales of what other states and territories are doing in order to crush and kill the virus.*

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I reckon he has it spot on.

The current NSW policy makes it an absolute nightmare if you need to do physical work in another state.

Gladys can whinge about other states as much as she wants, but she's the odd one out.

I reckon he has it completely wrong.

If he wants it that way, fly >50% of returning travellers to Perth for the their quarantine, and then at the same time maintain an economy that at the moment is responsible for greater than 50% of the nations GDP all the while keeping daily cases below 5 a day.

 

[mikey]

So if there was any doubt about incompetent Anastacia in Queensland, check it out today. Not having the Gold Coast included in the original Lockdown was weird given it is so close to the locations of Case 1.

Case 2, the Victoria to Maleny person is now in the heart of Sunshine Coast, and they have listed shops and other locations of concerns. ....but you guessed it, no lock down on Sunshine Coast.

Now I am a willing participant for wearing masks and locking down, thats my community responsibility, but how the bloody hell is this being justified? Known case of the UK strain in this area, but no lockdown?

There is a whiff of a cover up. Releasing a UK returnee without genome sequencing being completed to determine Covid strain does not appear to be precautionary.

The Qld Premier now advising the Gabba will be at 100% capacity despite the lockdown is extraordinary.

I feel for all Qld residents in lockdown.

Anastasia Moneyshay she is unbelievable
ok to travel to Qld if you are rugby league AFL or cricket not Joe Public

That may have something to do with the bubbles they are required to abide by and practices in place. Far less chance of spreading COVID.

Some Joe Publics make it impossible for all of us. That's why QLD and many other states have the rules they have - their are some you can't trust to follow what is right.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

@Spud_Murphy Jimmy Rees's parodies are hilarious

Indeed, the only thing giving me a good laugh through all this!

 

[Papacito]

*In Gladys Berejiklian’s press conference this morning, the NSW premier called on the nation’s leaders to “do better” when it came to border closures.

Holding his press conference at the same time, Mr McGowan was asked how he might find common ground with NSW.

**“There’s five states and two territories doing one thing, and one state doing something different. I go with the majority,” Mr McGowan said.**

“The states and territories that want to eliminate the virus, I think, have the right approach. The idea that you tick along with the virus and somehow that is a better model is wrong.

“And I just urge the New South Wales government and people in New South Wales to look outside of New South Wales of what other states and territories are doing in order to crush and kill the virus.*

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I reckon he has it spot on.

The current NSW policy makes it an absolute nightmare if you need to do physical work in another state.

Gladys can whinge about other states as much as she wants, but she's the odd one out.


I reckon he has it completely wrong.

If he wants it that way, fly >50% of returning travellers to Perth for the their quarantine, and then at the same time maintain an economy that at the moment is responsible for greater than 50% of the nations GDP all the while keeping daily cases below 5 a day.

Gladys takes one approach to public health, the other **seven** take a different one.

She's like the schoolyard sook that complains all the other kids aren't playing by her rules.

The argument about 'heavy lifting' is 100% false. Each state tells the Commonwealth what they will take and are compensated for. It's driven by empty hotel rooms, of which Sydney currently has the most by far.

The last cabinet documents show that WA is taking their fair share compared to their population. They're definitely lifter rather than leaners.

 

[Tiger5150]

*In Gladys Berejiklian’s press conference this morning, the NSW premier called on the nation’s leaders to “do better” when it came to border closures.

Holding his press conference at the same time, Mr McGowan was asked how he might find common ground with NSW.

**“There’s five states and two territories doing one thing, and one state doing something different. I go with the majority,” Mr McGowan said.**

“The states and territories that want to eliminate the virus, I think, have the right approach. The idea that you tick along with the virus and somehow that is a better model is wrong.

“And I just urge the New South Wales government and people in New South Wales to look outside of New South Wales of what other states and territories are doing in order to crush and kill the virus.*

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I reckon he has it spot on.

The current NSW policy makes it an absolute nightmare if you need to do physical work in another state.

Gladys can whinge about other states as much as she wants, but she's the odd one out.


I reckon he has it completely wrong.

If he wants it that way, fly >50% of returning travellers to Perth for the their quarantine, and then at the same time maintain an economy that at the moment is responsible for greater than 50% of the nations GDP all the while keeping daily cases below 5 a day.

Gladys takes one approach to public health, the other **seven** take a different one.

and?.........Are the circumstances the same between all the states? Numbers on inbound flights? Numbers of travellers? Economic situation? Hotel capacity? Dependence on tourism?


The argument about 'heavy lifting' is ***100% false***. ***Each state tells the Commonwealth what they will take*** and are compensated for. It's driven by empty hotel rooms, of which Sydney currently has the most by far.


When you say 100% false, you seemed pretty sure of that statement.
The states are not compensated and the cost is at the States expense. NSW and QLD both charge for quarantine, NSW a flat rate and QLD the full cost. Quarantine for QLD & WA quarantines in Sydney have cost NSW $140M.

You have to quarantine in the city you land in. With the shuffling of planes and trying to fill loads, carriers are going to land in Sydney.

Sounds like heavy lifting to me.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-22/mark-mcgowan-hits-back-suggestions-wa-owes-nsw-hotel-quarantine/12797578

https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/coronavirus-covid-19-travel-advice-and-restrictions-faqs#:~:text=Some%20states%20and%20territories%20are,%2D%20Northern%20Territory%20%2D%20Queensland

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-19/coronavirus-queensland-government-hotel-quarantine-unpaid-bills/12668208

The last cabinet documents show that WA is taking their fair share compared to their population. They're definitely lifter rather than leaners.

Im not suggesting WA are doing the right or wrong thing, I am however saying that McGowans statement that because the majority are doing one thing, then that is the right thing is wrong.

NSW can not do what WA are doing. They DO have to do the heavy lifting on quarantine and the rest of Aus should be thanking Gladys for keeping the Aus economy slowly ticking over (test will be in two months).

McGowans statement that the "majority" rules is not even fair between the "majority". It is not fair between QLD & WA. QLD's biggest earner is tourism, WA & digging stuff out of the ground. How would McGowans stance change if the "majority" rule meant stop digging?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The pro lockdown brigade should take note -

Dan Andrews wants the Feds to cough up $1500 for each casual worker forced to isolate after returning home from interstate hotspots.

If you want to put in border restrictions, don't expect the rest of Aust to pay their taxes to fund your border closure. Find the money from Vic coffers.

 

[mike]

*In Gladys Berejiklian’s press conference this morning, the NSW premier called on the nation’s leaders to “do better” when it came to border closures.

Holding his press conference at the same time, Mr McGowan was asked how he might find common ground with NSW.

**“There’s five states and two territories doing one thing, and one state doing something different. I go with the majority,” Mr McGowan said.**

“The states and territories that want to eliminate the virus, I think, have the right approach. The idea that you tick along with the virus and somehow that is a better model is wrong.

“And I just urge the New South Wales government and people in New South Wales to look outside of New South Wales of what other states and territories are doing in order to crush and kill the virus.*

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I reckon he has it spot on.

The current NSW policy makes it an absolute nightmare if you need to do physical work in another state.

Gladys can whinge about other states as much as she wants, but she's the odd one out.


I reckon he has it completely wrong.

If he wants it that way, fly >50% of returning travellers to Perth for the their quarantine, and then at the same time maintain an economy that at the moment is responsible for greater than 50% of the nations GDP all the while keeping daily cases below 5 a day.

Gladys takes one approach to public health, the other **seven** take a different one.

She's like the schoolyard sook that complains all the other kids aren't playing by her rules.

The argument about 'heavy lifting' is 100% false. Each state tells the Commonwealth what they will take and are compensated for. It's driven by empty hotel rooms, of which Sydney currently has the most by far.

The last cabinet documents show that WA is taking their fair share compared to their population. They're definitely lifter rather than leaners.

Seriously NSW takes at least 4 times as many returned travellers as WA. There is nothing fair and equitable about that, it is not a per capita argument. Quarantine is not a linear scalable enterprise, in fact the reverse, the more return travellers you quarantine the more the chances of quarantine being breached. There is no doubt that if NSW took the same amount of returned travellers as WA, quarantine in Sydney would indeed be more manageable. The idea that you can keep this virus out through just perimeter defences using the most populous major cities as quarantine stations as false. The numbers would need to be greatly reduced for this to be even in the slightest realistic. Better to have quarantine stations out of the major populous cities. The perimeter defences use people and people make mistakes and having them in major populous cities will result in the virus escaping from time to time with the resulting major consequences. By all means keep the WA borders closed at the slightest outbreak in any other State because in reality if it did escape in WA, and it will eventually, WA will have absolutely no idea how to handle the outbreak other the than to shut the WA State down.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Dr Chant touched on another issue which has placed demands on NSW Health. Many oseas arrivals are suffering from underlying health conditions. These are both Covid positive and negative arrivals. So while the figures provide an indication of the disparity between States, they don't inidicate the full extent of NSW's contribution.

 

[happy_tiger]

So if there was any doubt about incompetent Anastacia in Queensland, check it out today. Not having the Gold Coast included in the original Lockdown was weird given it is so close to the locations of Case 1.

Case 2, the Victoria to Maleny person is now in the heart of Sunshine Coast, and they have listed shops and other locations of concerns. ....but you guessed it, no lock down on Sunshine Coast.

Now I am a willing participant for wearing masks and locking down, thats my community responsibility, but how the bloody hell is this being justified? Known case of the UK strain in this area, but no lockdown?

There is a whiff of a cover up. Releasing a UK returnee without genome sequencing being completed to determine Covid strain does not appear to be precautionary.

The Qld Premier now advising the Gabba will be at 100% capacity despite the lockdown is extraordinary.

I feel for all Qld residents in lockdown.

You would have been at 100% capacity at the SCG if you didn't have so many racists wanting to go to the cricket .....


Probably right CB ...just a bit over the comments over the Qld premier when the NSW PREMIER has been just as bad in all of this ...the whole national bandwagon of Qld has handled this badly .....total crap

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Least none of our leaders have been criminally negligent in their handling, like one buffoon who will be out of a job in a little over a week.

 

[cochise]

Least none of our leaders have been criminally negligent in their handling, like one buffoon who will be out of a job in a little over a week.

They are still trying to get rid of him before then.

 

[jadtiger]

Least none of our leaders have been criminally negligent in their handling, like one buffoon who will be out of a job in a little over a week.

They are still trying to get rid of him before then.

That wont happen no matter how much he deserves it

 

[mike]

Least none of our leaders have been criminally negligent in their handling, like one buffoon who will be out of a job in a little over a week.

They are still trying to get rid of him before then.



That wont happen no matter how much he deserves it

If they don’t then he’ll be back to further divide America. I’m not sure the U.S. Congress has any other choice but to try, however lack of time may win out.

 

[Tiger5150]

Isnt one politics thread enough for this stuff?

 

[cochise]

Least none of our leaders have been criminally negligent in their handling, like one buffoon who will be out of a job in a little over a week.

They are still trying to get rid of him before then.



That wont happen no matter how much he deserves it

If they don’t then he’ll be back to further divide America. I’m not sure the U.S. Congress has any other choice but to try, however lack of time may win out.

I don't think time will save him, there is talk that they will impeach him once Biden has had time to settle in as president which if successful will prevent him holding any office in the future.

 

[jadtiger]

Least none of our leaders have been criminally negligent in their handling, like one buffoon who will be out of a job in a little over a week.

They are still trying to get rid of him before then.



That wont happen no matter how much he deserves it

If they don’t then he’ll be back to further divide America. I’m not sure the U.S. Congress has any other choice but to try, however lack of time may win out.

No doubt he or one of his equally offensive offspring will run again in the future but i am not so sure the republicans will accomodate that.It is quite possible it will be from a new right wing extreme party he creates

 

[hobbo1]

Stay on topic please

 

[mike]

Stay on topic please

Sure pot, or is it kettle?

 

[hobbo1]

Stay on topic please

Sure pot, or is it kettle?

BBQ