Coronavirus Outbreak

[earl]

Least none of our leaders have been criminally negligent in their handling, like one buffoon who will be out of a job in a little over a week.

They are still trying to get rid of him before then.



That wont happen no matter how much he deserves it

If they don’t then he’ll be back to further divide America. I’m not sure the U.S. Congress has any other choice but to try, however lack of time may win out.

I don't think time will save him, there is talk that they will impeach him once Biden has had time to settle in as president which if successful will prevent him holding any office in the future.

Biden won't be president

Are Trumpists going to kill him ?

 

[jadtiger]

Least none of our leaders have been criminally negligent in their handling, like one buffoon who will be out of a job in a little over a week.

They are still trying to get rid of him before then.



That wont happen no matter how much he deserves it

If they don’t then he’ll be back to further divide America. I’m not sure the U.S. Congress has any other choice but to try, however lack of time may win out.

I don't think time will save him, there is talk that they will impeach him once Biden has had time to settle in as president which if successful will prevent him holding any office in the future.

Biden won't be president

Are Trumpists going to kill him ?

I wouldnt even joke about that,there would be some of his brain washed supporters who could possibly attempt to do so.I know this sounds like paranoia but the USA is teetering on anarchy because of his out of control ego.Trumps legacy is shameful and something i hoped i would never see in my lifetime

 

[hank37w]

The efficacy of the vaccines are interesting. My initial thought was stuff the Oxford vaccine with 60% efficacy but I heard an immunologist talking today and the undercurrent was that the Oxford vaccine may stop people getting the virus bad.

We need to get to herd immunity though and personally I think the government should just purchase more of the 90%+ vaccines.

I thought I heard a week or two ago that the Oxford vaccine came up to 90% plus with an initial half dose followed up with a full dose.

I haven't heard that since.

Was I imagining things or did someone else hear that as well?

I have heard some people also say that the criteria set for by the developers of the Oxford vaccine was very high, giving the impression that they had set a higher standard or expectation for their vaccine than other developers.

 

[mike]

The efficacy of the vaccines are interesting. My initial thought was stuff the Oxford vaccine with 60% efficacy but I heard an immunologist talking today and the undercurrent was that the Oxford vaccine may stop people getting the virus bad.

We need to get to herd immunity though and personally I think the government should just purchase more of the 90%+ vaccines.

To be honest the rest of the world needs the 90%+ vaccines at the moment. We can make the AstraZeneca's vaccine here. It doesn't need any special environmental storage (special fridges). It will be fine for the initial roll-out and will do the job needed. We can always move to other vaccines later when they are more readily available and we have the facilities to make them here as well, rather than having to import them.

 

[mike]

Least none of our leaders have been criminally negligent in their handling, like one buffoon who will be out of a job in a little over a week.

They are still trying to get rid of him before then.



That wont happen no matter how much he deserves it

If they don’t then he’ll be back to further divide America. I’m not sure the U.S. Congress has any other choice but to try, however lack of time may win out.

I don't think time will save him, there is talk that they will impeach him once Biden has had time to settle in as president which if successful will prevent him holding any office in the future.

Biden won't be president

Are Trumpists going to kill him ?

I think that is a major concern.

 

[hank37w]

Least none of our leaders have been criminally negligent in their handling, like one buffoon who will be out of a job in a little over a week.

They are still trying to get rid of him before then.



That wont happen no matter how much he deserves it

If they don’t then he’ll be back to further divide America. I’m not sure the U.S. Congress has any other choice but to try, however lack of time may win out.

I don't think time will save him, there is talk that they will impeach him once Biden has had time to settle in as president which if successful will prevent him holding any office in the future.

Biden won't be president

You could be correct, but only in the sense that the real president will be the puppet master that is standing behind him ready to take over when he has to stand down for whatever reason.

Not taking sides in this, just making an observation that to me seems fairly obvious.

Just as a matter of interest, your first name isn't Ronald?

Just kidding.

 

[earl]

Least none of our leaders have been criminally negligent in their handling, like one buffoon who will be out of a job in a little over a week.

They are still trying to get rid of him before then.



That wont happen no matter how much he deserves it

If they don’t then he’ll be back to further divide America. I’m not sure the U.S. Congress has any other choice but to try, however lack of time may win out.

I don't think time will save him, there is talk that they will impeach him once Biden has had time to settle in as president which if successful will prevent him holding any office in the future.

Biden won't be president

Are Trumpists going to kill him ?



I wouldnt even joke about that,there would be some of his brain washed supporters who could possibly attempt to do so.I know this sounds like paranoia but the USA is teetering on anarchy because of his out of control ego.Trumps legacy is shameful and something i hoped i would never see in my lifetime

What does that guy think is going to happen ? He can't be calling Biden a criminal because we've just seen a piece of scum in power in America who has tried to overturn a democratic election. I mean what is that guy on about ? It sounds like another crazy conspiracy theory.

 

[earl]

The efficacy of the vaccines are interesting. My initial thought was stuff the Oxford vaccine with 60% efficacy but I heard an immunologist talking today and the undercurrent was that the Oxford vaccine may stop people getting the virus bad.

We need to get to herd immunity though and personally I think the government should just purchase more of the 90%+ vaccines.

To be honest the rest of the world needs the 90%+ vaccines at the moment. We can make the AstraZeneca's vaccine here. It doesn't need any special environmental storage (special fridges). It will be fine for the initial roll-out and will do the job needed. We can always move to other vaccines later when they are more readily available and we have the facilities to make them here as well, rather than having to import them.

It can't though get us to herd immunity can it. That is my concern. What is really going to change. Mind you I can do everything I want to do right now.

 

[mike]

The efficacy of the vaccines are interesting. My initial thought was stuff the Oxford vaccine with 60% efficacy but I heard an immunologist talking today and the undercurrent was that the Oxford vaccine may stop people getting the virus bad.

We need to get to herd immunity though and personally I think the government should just purchase more of the 90%+ vaccines.

To be honest the rest of the world needs the 90%+ vaccines at the moment. We can make the AstraZeneca's vaccine here. It doesn't need any special environmental storage (special fridges). It will be fine for the initial roll-out and will do the job needed. We can always move to other vaccines later when they are more readily available and we have the facilities to make them here as well, rather than having to import them.

It can't though get us to herd immunity can it. That is my concern. What is really going to change. Mind you I can do everything I want to do right now.

With the low numbers already in Australia it won't take much to knock it out all together, along with better quarantine protocols. The term herd immunity is being misused a little at the moment. If there ends up being no community transmission as a result of the vaccine then it has done it's job.

 

[Snake]

The efficacy of the vaccines are interesting. My initial thought was stuff the Oxford vaccine with 60% efficacy but I heard an immunologist talking today and the undercurrent was that the Oxford vaccine may stop people getting the virus bad.

We need to get to herd immunity though and personally I think the government should just purchase more of the 90%+ vaccines.

To be honest the rest of the world needs the 90%+ vaccines at the moment. We can make the AstraZeneca's vaccine here. It doesn't need any special environmental storage (special fridges). It will be fine for the initial roll-out and will do the job needed. We can always move to other vaccines later when they are more readily available and we have the facilities to make them here as well, rather than having to import them.

It can't though get us to herd immunity can it. That is my concern. What is really going to change. Mind you I can do everything I want to do right now.


With the low numbers already in Australia it won't take much to knock it out all together, along with better quarantine protocols. The term herd immunity is being misused a little at the moment. If there ends up being no community transmission as a result of the vaccine then it has done it's job.

The one thing you do not mention is the world will have to engage at some stage .. our boarders will have to be opened and quarantine protocols will be stretched at best .
IMO no one has any idea how any of the vaccines will perform in the long term it is early days and probable a couple of years before the vaccines will be proven or not ... do not expect things getting back to normal anytime soon !
I am planning for at least another 12 months before things change in a big way and organising for same .

 

[mike]

The efficacy of the vaccines are interesting. My initial thought was stuff the Oxford vaccine with 60% efficacy but I heard an immunologist talking today and the undercurrent was that the Oxford vaccine may stop people getting the virus bad.

We need to get to herd immunity though and personally I think the government should just purchase more of the 90%+ vaccines.

To be honest the rest of the world needs the 90%+ vaccines at the moment. We can make the AstraZeneca's vaccine here. It doesn't need any special environmental storage (special fridges). It will be fine for the initial roll-out and will do the job needed. We can always move to other vaccines later when they are more readily available and we have the facilities to make them here as well, rather than having to import them.

It can't though get us to herd immunity can it. That is my concern. What is really going to change. Mind you I can do everything I want to do right now.


With the low numbers already in Australia it won't take much to knock it out all together, along with better quarantine protocols. The term herd immunity is being misused a little at the moment. If there ends up being no community transmission as a result of the vaccine then it has done it's job.

The one thing you do not mention is the world will have to engage at some stage .. our boarders will have to be opened and quarantine protocols will be stretched at best .
IMO no one has any idea how any of the vaccines will perform in the long term it is early days and probable a couple of years before the vaccines will be proven or not ... do not expect things getting back to normal anytime soon !
I am planning for at least another 12 months before things change in a big way and organising for same .

I disagree that Australian borders will need to be opened up more than they are. They already are for goods, and people that have a job to go to, albeit the latter still have to quarantine. That’s all the world opening up you need. The people the closed borders effects are returning Australians and tourists. I don’t care if we have to wait several more years for tourists, it wouldn’t be my priority.

Hopefully by then the world will be vaccinated in any case. I would hope there would also be inbound requirements that you have to be vaccinated to enter the country.

I think 12 months is optimistic, end 2022 at the earliest and more likely later. You would have to see the numbers greatly reduced world wide before you see anything like normality and freedom of movement between Australia and the rest of the world returning.

 

[TillLindemann]

Another day, another grim record broken.

16,270 covid deaths globally in the last 24 hours, beating the previous record set only a day earlier.

For the first time, Africa is really copping it now like other continents. South Africa is nearing 1,000 deaths a day. No doubt many deaths and infections are going unrecorded in other African countries.

The numbers in just about every region of the world apart from Aus/NZ are getting worse. Even China is facing new outbreaks, they had 115 new infections yesterday, and they have blocked off whole cities.

One rare brightspot is India, which has turned its trend around quite noticeably.

 

[innsaneink]

We really need to fix the quoting system here


 

[Curly_Tiger]

I would recommend watching this, he makes some very interesting points. I would be interested in the balanced views of the group

https://rumble.com/vcesav-brave-reporter-goes-off-script-on-air.html

 

[mike]

I would recommend watching this, he makes some very interesting points. I would be interested in the balanced views of the group

https://rumble.com/vcesav-brave-reporter-goes-off-script-on-air.html

I wouldn’t recommend watching this to anyone. The false balance fallacy.

 

[jadtiger]

I would recommend watching this, he makes some very interesting points. I would be interested in the balanced views of the group

https://rumble.com/vcesav-brave-reporter-goes-off-script-on-air.html

I wouldn’t recommend watching this to anyone.

I just watched the first minute and stopped,it was flat earth society at its best

 

[Curly_Tiger]

I would recommend watching this, he makes some very interesting points. I would be interested in the balanced views of the group

https://rumble.com/vcesav-brave-reporter-goes-off-script-on-air.html

I wouldn’t recommend watching this to anyone.

It's a doctors view on what he sees taking place. It's a valid opinion and you are free to disagree

This is what is happening everywhere at the moment, dissenting opinions are being suppressed and that's not a healthy thing for our society. Twitter, Facebook censorship even deletions are through the roof. What gives tech oligarchs the right to suppress opinions?

It's a form of superiority. Superiority of thought, superiority of science, superiority of opinion. And superiority is a dangerous thing, no one's views are the only view and to dismiss them is a dangerous approach

 

[Curly_Tiger]

I would recommend watching this, he makes some very interesting points. I would be interested in the balanced views of the group

https://rumble.com/vcesav-brave-reporter-goes-off-script-on-air.html

I wouldn’t recommend watching this to anyone.



I just watched the first minute and stopped,it was flat earth society at its best

Flat earth, false balance fallacy, conspiracy theories, debunked, etc. are all just different ways of dismissing a point of view you don't agree with rather than argue the merits

 

[mike]

I would recommend watching this, he makes some very interesting points. I would be interested in the balanced views of the group

https://rumble.com/vcesav-brave-reporter-goes-off-script-on-air.html

I wouldn’t recommend watching this to anyone.

It's a doctors view on what he sees taking place. It's a valid opinion and you are free to disagree

This is what is happening everywhere at the moment, dissenting opinions are being suppressed and that's not a healthy thing for our society. Twitter, Facebook censorship even deletions are through the roof. What gives tech oligarchs the right to suppress opinions?

It's a form of superiority. Superiority of thought, superiority of science, superiority of opinion. And superiority is a dangerous thing, no one's views are the only view and to dismiss them is a dangerous approach

It’s a false balance. If you think the deaths in the US, UK and the rest of the world is fake and normal then you don’t deserve any air time. In my considerable life I have never heard of the need to build field hospitals or dig mass graves in the major cities to cope with the number of deaths that are occurring in these cities. ICU beds in the UK and many parts of the US are full of Covid patients, no more beds available. That means if you are in a serious automobile accident or have a heart attack or stroke there is every chance you will die simply because there are no ICU beds left for you.

The guy is dead set certifiable. He is nothing more than a denier.

 

[Curly_Tiger]

It isn’t crazy to question all this

We are being forced to wear masks, social distance, no contact, endure lock downs, travel restrictions, limits on gatherings, check in at all times wherever you are, police each other’s compliance, etc

And now the push for vaccination is gathering pace. Not mandatory but in practice it will endeavour to be so with various mechanisms being employed by government but also by corporate juggernauts who are flourishing through this nonsense

And the approach is very similar all across the world, almost co-ordinated

All for something that in Australia has 28,700 people having tested positive using a PCR test even the WHO acknowledges as producing a very high level of false positives (which the video discusses). ‬ ‪Of those just over 900 have died most of whom were elderly or had serious health issues‬ ‪

It’s not about fake deaths, it’s about questionable statistics. It’s about dying “with” covid not “of” covid. Get a positive test, die of anything in the following (varies) 28 days and it’s a covid death irrespective of what you actually die of. And all the field hospitals, mass graves and overflowing hospitals are what is being told to you by the media and you believe it as gospel, because they would never lie to you

Yet if you question it the labels come out. Conspiracy theorist, Flat earther, and the favourite, a Denier

I question it all