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@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302517) said:
@aesopian said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302508) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302460) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302449) said:
@harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302448) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1301993) said:
@harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1301991) said:
Almost reads like something that could have been published in a state sanctioned Chinese newspaper.

I'm not buying that line. I don't think the WHO narrative is a China narrative. I don't think it was ever likely the virus came from a lab. We know that viruses can leak from labs but it was unlikely that was the case this time. I think we already knew it wasn't a man made virus.

I still think labs studying viruses and wet markets or any trade in exotic animals is dangerous.

In stating that viruses do migrate from animals to humans regularly. We've had many pandemics/epidemics in the past that have occurred in this fashion. That is why this is by far the most likely explanation.

It is also hard to pin point exactly where the virus started. The same thing happened in the Spanish Flu outbreak. It probably started in America but I don't think the exact site was ever proven.


It is not the original host (animal) that I have an issue with, it is the suggestion that the virus existed elsewhere in the world and was imported into China via frozen food.

China are always going to say stupid things. I agree that it is highly unlikely it was imported into China.

I think the exotic animal trade is way too risky to continue and this practice is common in China. I also don't like creating these viruses in labs. There have been outbreaks from labs.

I also think at the moment based on the ***evidence*** and this has nothing at all to do with China that the virus like many other viruses in the past crossed over from animals into humans. I think it's highly likely the virus started in China via crossing over from animals and China tried to keep it quiet.

I'm just someone who goes off the predominant ***evidence***. It's like the vaccine discussions above. I will trust the reputable source rather than some edge case. If the edge case has ***evidence*** backing it up then cool but if not then I'll stick to what the ***evidence*** shows.

Genuinely not having a crack at you Earl, but you state evidence a lot in your posts. Could you post the evidence that shows that this virus passed from an animal to a human? Im not aware of any and would genuinely be interested in seeing it.

To clarify what I am talking about, we know for sure that SARS COV 1 came directly from bats to humans. The reason that we know this for sure is because Shi Zhengli of the Wuhan Institute of Virology actually tracked down the bats and found that exact virus in them and tested that it transferred to humans. There has not been an animal found in Wuhan or elsewhere with SAR COV2 in it. Not even in the Wet Market and they were tested.

TBH I am surprised China havent just lied and come out and said they found it in the Wet Market, but they havent, maybe because they are still pushing for the "it came from outside China" angle.

Dude, Dominic Dwyer was literally quoted yesterday saying **“the most likely source of the virus was bats, before another animal such as a cat passed it on to humans."**

Now let's see who is more likely to have credible evidence:

1 - Dominic Dwyer, microbiologist and infectious disease expert with NSW health. Evidence gathered through 1st hand experience on the ground in Wuhan.

2 - Random WTF expert, profession unknown. Evidence gathered by browsing the interwebs, finding articles that align with personal bias and passing it off as research.

Close call but I'm leaning towards No.1...

Yep. I'm just going with the consensus opinion at this point in time. If it comes out with evidence the virus came from a lab no problems.

No such thing as true scientific consensus, its a dangerous concept and is unscientific.

@Tiger5150 - there is no need to debate this topic. You support an edge case which is fine. That might have even happened. I'm just going with the experts on this one. If the experts viewpoint changes I'm happy to change my viewpoint.

Agree 100% there is no need to debate it, particularly you and I (we have been around that too many times) and I havent posted what I posted in order to ***debate*** it or to ***prove*** anything, but I am free to discuss it. I merely find this stuff interesting and I also find it interesting/frustrating working in a scientific field and seeing how "civilians" see science (not necessarily pointing at you), particularly as science is recently getting politicised ("follow the science"). Science isnt some bloke in a lab coat declaring something and if he has enough letters after his name, we all nod and follow along. "Consensus" is the opposite of science.

Im just adding this stuff for fuel for discussion and for interest. Im genuinely surprised when some defend their position against it aggressively.
 
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302521) said:
No such thing as true scientific consensus, its a dangerous concept and is unscientific.

There is some truth here but pushing edge cases above higher probability scenarios is I would suggest much more dangerous and unscientific unless there is some evidence that changes the narrative. I'd suggest when that evidence becomes available then the consensus changes.
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302185) said:
I'm OK with people expressing contrary opinion based on expert opinion. If there's enough science there that's OK. I guess conversely you could argue then what constitutes as enough. You also need be wary of an "expert" who has other motives for pushing their barrow (i.e. Andrew Wakefield who is basically the father of the modern anti-vaxxer movement.)

I have no issue with people being a little wary of COVID-19 vaccines as they have not been subject to the long term testing that other vaccines have. We do have tried and tested methods of making sure vaccines are safe and don't cause short or long term infirmity to people.

Objectively though, lets not also forget though that the first vaccine was basically ground up cowpox sores that were placed into a deliberately made cut on the skin after Jenner noticed that milkmaidens were less likely to get smallpox. The first vaccinations were borne out of mere observation. Things have become more complex and modern and I have relative faith they will be safe, even with fast-tracked approval.

I found out something very interesting yesterday. While the vaccine appears to be a bit of a rush job on the surface, scientists and medicos have actually been working on a vaccine for Covid since SARS & Ebola came into being and it’s from that foundational research that this new vaccine has been produced.

It is also not going to be compulsory at this stage, even for people/workers who are categorised in Phase 1a.
 
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302644) said:
Covid test this morning ...doesn't get any funner

Poked your brain again to see if something is actually there?
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302639) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302521) said:
No such thing as true scientific consensus, its a dangerous concept and is unscientific.

There is some truth here but pushing edge cases above higher probability scenarios is I would suggest much more dangerous and unscientific unless there is some evidence that changes the narrative. I'd suggest when that evidence becomes available then the consensus changes.


I'm not ***pushing*** anything, just discussing issues around it. I'll remind you that our previous discussion on the lab leak hypothesis, I wasnt pushing it, I was merely pointing out that you were wrong calling it a conspiracy theory. Where is the animal with the virus? For a virus to be this prevalent and virulent, it wasnt a single animal, it had to be a population (same as the horseshoe bats for SARS1). Where is the hidden human population in which this virus evolved to be so easily spread? Lots of interesting issues to think about and discuss.
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302654) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302644) said:
Covid test this morning ...doesn't get any funner

Poked your brain again to see if something is actually there?

That's silly Mike .....The Sir happy Tiger Hospital already know the answer ......but it is too hard to crack me open ...unwrap the box ...and connect it all up
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302654) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302644) said:
Covid test this morning ...doesn't get any funner

Poked your brain again to see if something is actually there?

Found absolutely nothing..
 
@geo said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302725) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302654) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302644) said:
Covid test this morning ...doesn't get any funner

Poked your brain again to see if something is actually there?

Found absolutely nothing..

Nah .. they found a crayon
![FC32CDAB-796B-4783-BC3E-F341BF9CF168.jpeg](/assets/uploads/files/1613099232188-fc32cdab-796b-4783-bc3e-f341bf9cf168.jpeg)
 
@hobbo1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302735) said:
@geo said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302725) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302654) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302644) said:
Covid test this morning ...doesn't get any funner

Poked your brain again to see if something is actually there?

Found absolutely nothing..

Nah .. they found a crayon
![FC32CDAB-796B-4783-BC3E-F341BF9CF168.jpeg](/assets/uploads/files/1613099232188-fc32cdab-796b-4783-bc3e-f341bf9cf168.jpeg)

That xray is wrong Hobs....you told me Hap has only got 1/2 a brain....
 
@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302736) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302735) said:
@geo said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302725) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302654) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302644) said:
Covid test this morning ...doesn't get any funner

Poked your brain again to see if something is actually there?

Found absolutely nothing..

Nah .. they found a crayon
![FC32CDAB-796B-4783-BC3E-F341BF9CF168.jpeg](/assets/uploads/files/1613099232188-fc32cdab-796b-4783-bc3e-f341bf9cf168.jpeg)

That xray is wrong Hobs....you told me Hap has only got 1/2 a brain....

I have just been in contact with the Sir Happy Hospital...
They are very apologetic that the wrong xray has been diplayed on the forum....

the original xray shows...2 skulls with a 1/4 brain in each,that makes up the 1/2 a brain Hobbo told me Hap has...
Its a very rare thing to see,but here on the forum we treat people with these afflictions very kindly...
 
Sorry for sidetracking the thread,TT couldnt help himself...we all love the Hapster,he only gets what he gives...

Melb maybe back into a 5 day lockdown as the hotel cluster widens...cabinet still meeting...Its the UK strain that is worrying them...
ninensm source....
 
Looks like the All Stars game could be in doubt due to the number of Melbourne players involved. NRL is looking at options.
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302845) said:
I feel for my fellow Australians living in Victoria. Stay strong Victorians.


I feel for Victorians in Mildura, Moorabin, Ballarat who need to close down their business, shut down wages and people who are losing money because the Vic Govt are unable to manage hotel quarantine. It is tragic in our country where we have done such an incredible job of controlling this that they have to give up so much.
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302856) said:
Looks like the All Stars game could be in doubt due to the number of Melbourne players involved. NRL is looking at options.

We should’ve closed our border
With 27 days to go until the NRL kicks off , I can’t see the players wanting to live in another covid bubble because the Victorians can’t keep a lid on things ..
 
@hobbo1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302858) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302856) said:
Looks like the All Stars game could be in doubt due to the number of Melbourne players involved. NRL is looking at options.

We should’ve closed our border
With 27 days to go until the NRL kicks off , I can’t see the players wanting to live in another covid bubble because the Victorians can’t keep a lid on things ..

I don't agree with closing borders.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302861) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302858) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302856) said:
Looks like the All Stars game could be in doubt due to the number of Melbourne players involved. NRL is looking at options.

We should’ve closed our border
With 27 days to go until the NRL kicks off , I can’t see the players wanting to live in another covid bubble because the Victorians can’t keep a lid on things ..

I don't agree with closing borders.

Nah stuff them ..
They’ve had multiple opportunities to get it right..
Northern Territory and South OZ have closed there borders so should we .
 
@hobbo1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302862) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302861) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302858) said:
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1302856) said:
Looks like the All Stars game could be in doubt due to the number of Melbourne players involved. NRL is looking at options.

We should’ve closed our border
With 27 days to go until the NRL kicks off , I can’t see the players wanting to live in another covid bubble because the Victorians can’t keep a lid on things ..

I don't agree with closing borders.

Nah stuff them ..
They’ve had multiple opportunities to get it right..
Northern Territory and South OZ have closed there borders so should we .

No one should be closing borders.
 
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