Coronavirus Outbreak

[hobbo1]

Have any forum members had a Covid vaccination yet?
I scheduled to have my first shot on Thursday but starting to get nervous about people getting blood clotting after their vaccinations.

No and not going to get it

Are you one of the Blue Mountains 5G nutcases? ?

Nah mate ..I’m all for 5G

My body is a temple and there’s no way I’ll be getting a vaccine that may cause blood clots.

 

[mike]

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.

Evacs to where ? You can’t engage defence force for that. What safety protocols are in place for the soldiers and Air Force who have to man those planes . Where are they housed when they get here , and what processes are in place to keep the rest of Australia safe .

It’s so simplistic to say jump on a plane and go get them.

There are heaps of places available. Many within the control of the Australian Government. Worst you could build a temp tent evac/ quarantine facility. We have the capacity and capability, just not the will. I think Australia is the only country in the whole world that wants to punish its citizens for returning home. Disgraceful.


The Australian Govt did everything it could to get citizens home up until I think around August (havent checked the date). After that its at your cost and you wait for your number to be called. I had friends try to get home in June & July and it took weeks but they are all home. **There is noone stuck overseas that were trying to get home since July last year.** Everyone trying to get home now has either left since or made the decision to stay with all the information available to them about what the decision meant.

Im not defending the Govt, I would hope Labor would do the same. We have been spared the massive burden of this pandemic so far and I am grateful of that and if the price is people have to bear their own personal responsibility, I think that is a fair price.

You seem pretty sure of yourself there.


100% sure based on personal experiences, happy to be corrected if you have genuine data or information.

So you don't have any real evidence to support your position. That's not like you.

I have incredibly solid real evidence to completely proves my position and that is close personal friends that have been through the experience. One of which went on Facebook from her incredibly luxurious and priviledged life in SE Asia crying about why wouldnt Govt bring her home and she was home and in her new mansion in 6 weeks.

Other friends (multiple, my wife used to work in international travel) coming home from Middle East and Europe, all exactly the same. Some left early (and it was easier) other stayed for the $$$ and paid for it in $$$ and time. All back.

So that is incredibly solid evidence for me, first hand but I acknowledge that this is completely anecdotal, but this isnt a court its a forum.

You asked if I was "sure of myself" and I invited you to provide evidence to the contrary, I noticed you didnt or couldnt produce contrary information but still had a crack at me...thats "not like you"....oh wait a minute..its totally like you

Here is some actual accounts of the truth that arent from me so you will feel better. Its an 8 - 12 week wait, not >12months.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-27/travel-adviser-on-stranded-australians-overseas-during-covid-19/13087694

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-after-covid-19-emerged-australians-still-cant-get-home-11610015403

So no real evidence only anecdotal, OK. That’s solid and you must be right then.


ABC & Wall Street Journal anecdotal? Not a problem. The fact is the waiting list is about 8 weeks long. Happy for you to provide information refuting this but **what I actually expect is for you to stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes because the truth doesnt actually back up your political agenda** but for everyone else here, its out in the open.

The list is about 8 weeks long which means that everyone on that list has made a decision and are now paying the cost of taking personal responsibility. That is not to say that they should be additionally punished, I hope that they all get back as quick as possible as painlessly as possible.

Wow just wow. Just for the record I have absolutely no political agenda In this matter. It wouldn’t matter which side of politics made these decisions, the decisions are just wrong.


Of course its political, you have bashed the Govt repeatedly on this topic, it is what brought the thread back to life. There is NOTHING wrong with making that political point and you are completely entitled to it. The point you are making and your argument for it is completely sound and as I said in an earlier post if it was true I would be right by your side on this issue.

Trouble is that what you are basing your political point in is completely factually incorrect. I know this to be true from first hand knowledge and I have backed it up with articles from the ABC and Wall Street Journal. In response you have a crack at me personally rather than address the actual issue, which for me is pretty much the equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears.

Happy to be shown to be incorrect. If people are still waiting to be repatriated after waiting more than 12 months, you would be entirely correct.

Nope sorry my position is not at all political it's about the decisions. Pretty easy to understand really.

 

[Tiger5150]

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.

Evacs to where ? You can’t engage defence force for that. What safety protocols are in place for the soldiers and Air Force who have to man those planes . Where are they housed when they get here , and what processes are in place to keep the rest of Australia safe .

It’s so simplistic to say jump on a plane and go get them.

There are heaps of places available. Many within the control of the Australian Government. Worst you could build a temp tent evac/ quarantine facility. We have the capacity and capability, just not the will. I think Australia is the only country in the whole world that wants to punish its citizens for returning home. Disgraceful.


The Australian Govt did everything it could to get citizens home up until I think around August (havent checked the date). After that its at your cost and you wait for your number to be called. I had friends try to get home in June & July and it took weeks but they are all home. **There is noone stuck overseas that were trying to get home since July last year.** Everyone trying to get home now has either left since or made the decision to stay with all the information available to them about what the decision meant.

Im not defending the Govt, I would hope Labor would do the same. We have been spared the massive burden of this pandemic so far and I am grateful of that and if the price is people have to bear their own personal responsibility, I think that is a fair price.

You seem pretty sure of yourself there.


100% sure based on personal experiences, happy to be corrected if you have genuine data or information.

So you don't have any real evidence to support your position. That's not like you.

I have incredibly solid real evidence to completely proves my position and that is close personal friends that have been through the experience. One of which went on Facebook from her incredibly luxurious and priviledged life in SE Asia crying about why wouldnt Govt bring her home and she was home and in her new mansion in 6 weeks.

Other friends (multiple, my wife used to work in international travel) coming home from Middle East and Europe, all exactly the same. Some left early (and it was easier) other stayed for the $$$ and paid for it in $$$ and time. All back.

So that is incredibly solid evidence for me, first hand but I acknowledge that this is completely anecdotal, but this isnt a court its a forum.

You asked if I was "sure of myself" and I invited you to provide evidence to the contrary, I noticed you didnt or couldnt produce contrary information but still had a crack at me...thats "not like you"....oh wait a minute..its totally like you

Here is some actual accounts of the truth that arent from me so you will feel better. Its an 8 - 12 week wait, not >12months.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-27/travel-adviser-on-stranded-australians-overseas-during-covid-19/13087694

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-after-covid-19-emerged-australians-still-cant-get-home-11610015403

So no real evidence only anecdotal, OK. That’s solid and you must be right then.


ABC & Wall Street Journal anecdotal? Not a problem. The fact is the waiting list is about 8 weeks long. Happy for you to provide information refuting this but **what I actually expect is for you to stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes because the truth doesnt actually back up your political agenda** but for everyone else here, its out in the open.

The list is about 8 weeks long which means that everyone on that list has made a decision and are now paying the cost of taking personal responsibility. That is not to say that they should be additionally punished, I hope that they all get back as quick as possible as painlessly as possible.

Wow just wow. Just for the record I have absolutely no political agenda In this matter. It wouldn’t matter which side of politics made these decisions, the decisions are just wrong.


Of course its political, you have bashed the Govt repeatedly on this topic, it is what brought the thread back to life. There is NOTHING wrong with making that political point and you are completely entitled to it. The point you are making and your argument for it is completely sound and as I said in an earlier post if it was true I would be right by your side on this issue.

Trouble is that what you are basing your political point in is completely factually incorrect. I know this to be true from first hand knowledge and I have backed it up with articles from the ABC and Wall Street Journal. In response you have a crack at me personally rather than address the actual issue, which for me is pretty much the equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears.

Happy to be shown to be incorrect. If people are still waiting to be repatriated after waiting more than 12 months, you would be entirely correct.

Nope sorry my position is not at all political it's about the decisions. Pretty easy to understand really.

Politcal - *Adjective* 1.relating to the government or public affairs of a country. - Oxford Dictionary.

I agree, extremely easy to understand for most. Political is not a dirty word and worrying about the word political is semantics.

Your position was that people have been waiting for over 12months to get back and that the Goverment have an obligation to these people to get them back......is this incorrect?

 

[Tim Sheens]

Have any forum members had a Covid vaccination yet?
I scheduled to have my first shot on Thursday but starting to get nervous about people getting blood clotting after their vaccinations.

No and not going to get it

My late eighties parents have chosen not to get vaccinations thus far as they have both suffered from clotting in the past. So until the Pfizer option becomes available, I doubt that they will.

The Pill clotting certainly has more prevalence than that from the AZ shot, but a lot less potential for harm and death from my reading.

 

[mike]

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.

Evacs to where ? You can’t engage defence force for that. What safety protocols are in place for the soldiers and Air Force who have to man those planes . Where are they housed when they get here , and what processes are in place to keep the rest of Australia safe .

It’s so simplistic to say jump on a plane and go get them.

There are heaps of places available. Many within the control of the Australian Government. Worst you could build a temp tent evac/ quarantine facility. We have the capacity and capability, just not the will. I think Australia is the only country in the whole world that wants to punish its citizens for returning home. Disgraceful.


The Australian Govt did everything it could to get citizens home up until I think around August (havent checked the date). After that its at your cost and you wait for your number to be called. I had friends try to get home in June & July and it took weeks but they are all home. **There is noone stuck overseas that were trying to get home since July last year.** Everyone trying to get home now has either left since or made the decision to stay with all the information available to them about what the decision meant.

Im not defending the Govt, I would hope Labor would do the same. We have been spared the massive burden of this pandemic so far and I am grateful of that and if the price is people have to bear their own personal responsibility, I think that is a fair price.

You seem pretty sure of yourself there.


100% sure based on personal experiences, happy to be corrected if you have genuine data or information.

So you don't have any real evidence to support your position. That's not like you.

I have incredibly solid real evidence to completely proves my position and that is close personal friends that have been through the experience. One of which went on Facebook from her incredibly luxurious and priviledged life in SE Asia crying about why wouldnt Govt bring her home and she was home and in her new mansion in 6 weeks.

Other friends (multiple, my wife used to work in international travel) coming home from Middle East and Europe, all exactly the same. Some left early (and it was easier) other stayed for the $$$ and paid for it in $$$ and time. All back.

So that is incredibly solid evidence for me, first hand but I acknowledge that this is completely anecdotal, but this isnt a court its a forum.

You asked if I was "sure of myself" and I invited you to provide evidence to the contrary, I noticed you didnt or couldnt produce contrary information but still had a crack at me...thats "not like you"....oh wait a minute..its totally like you

Here is some actual accounts of the truth that arent from me so you will feel better. Its an 8 - 12 week wait, not >12months.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-27/travel-adviser-on-stranded-australians-overseas-during-covid-19/13087694

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-after-covid-19-emerged-australians-still-cant-get-home-11610015403

So no real evidence only anecdotal, OK. That’s solid and you must be right then.


ABC & Wall Street Journal anecdotal? Not a problem. The fact is the waiting list is about 8 weeks long. Happy for you to provide information refuting this but **what I actually expect is for you to stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes because the truth doesnt actually back up your political agenda** but for everyone else here, its out in the open.

The list is about 8 weeks long which means that everyone on that list has made a decision and are now paying the cost of taking personal responsibility. That is not to say that they should be additionally punished, I hope that they all get back as quick as possible as painlessly as possible.

Wow just wow. Just for the record I have absolutely no political agenda In this matter. It wouldn’t matter which side of politics made these decisions, the decisions are just wrong.


Of course its political, you have bashed the Govt repeatedly on this topic, it is what brought the thread back to life. There is NOTHING wrong with making that political point and you are completely entitled to it. The point you are making and your argument for it is completely sound and as I said in an earlier post if it was true I would be right by your side on this issue.

Trouble is that what you are basing your political point in is completely factually incorrect. I know this to be true from first hand knowledge and I have backed it up with articles from the ABC and Wall Street Journal. In response you have a crack at me personally rather than address the actual issue, which for me is pretty much the equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears.

Happy to be shown to be incorrect. If people are still waiting to be repatriated after waiting more than 12 months, you would be entirely correct.

Nope sorry my position is not at all political it's about the decisions. Pretty easy to understand really.

Politcal - *Adjective* 1.relating to the government or public affairs of a country. - Oxford Dictionary.

I agree, extremely easy to understand for most. Political is not a dirty word and worrying about the word political is semantics.

Your position was that people have been waiting for over 12months to get back and that the Goverment have an obligation to these people to get them back......is this incorrect?

To make it easy for you, it's not about which side of politics, Labor or Coalition. It's about the decisions. It's really that easy. Makes no difference what side of politics you are on the decisions are wrong. You are trying to make out it is political because I am bashing the Coalition. I'm not, I am bashing the decisions,

 

[mike]

Have any forum members had a Covid vaccination yet?
I scheduled to have my first shot on Thursday but starting to get nervous about people getting blood clotting after their vaccinations.

No and not going to get it

My late eighties parents have chosen not to get vaccinations thus far as they have both suffered from clotting in the past. So until the Pfizer option becomes available, I doubt that they will.

The Pill clotting certainly has more prevalence than that from the AZ shot, but a lot less potential for harm and death from my reading.

That's a wise decision on your parents part I would think. Totally understandable.

 

[Tiger5150]

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.

Evacs to where ? You can’t engage defence force for that. What safety protocols are in place for the soldiers and Air Force who have to man those planes . Where are they housed when they get here , and what processes are in place to keep the rest of Australia safe .

It’s so simplistic to say jump on a plane and go get them.

There are heaps of places available. Many within the control of the Australian Government. Worst you could build a temp tent evac/ quarantine facility. We have the capacity and capability, just not the will. I think Australia is the only country in the whole world that wants to punish its citizens for returning home. Disgraceful.


The Australian Govt did everything it could to get citizens home up until I think around August (havent checked the date). After that its at your cost and you wait for your number to be called. I had friends try to get home in June & July and it took weeks but they are all home. **There is noone stuck overseas that were trying to get home since July last year.** Everyone trying to get home now has either left since or made the decision to stay with all the information available to them about what the decision meant.

Im not defending the Govt, I would hope Labor would do the same. We have been spared the massive burden of this pandemic so far and I am grateful of that and if the price is people have to bear their own personal responsibility, I think that is a fair price.

You seem pretty sure of yourself there.


100% sure based on personal experiences, happy to be corrected if you have genuine data or information.

So you don't have any real evidence to support your position. That's not like you.

I have incredibly solid real evidence to completely proves my position and that is close personal friends that have been through the experience. One of which went on Facebook from her incredibly luxurious and priviledged life in SE Asia crying about why wouldnt Govt bring her home and she was home and in her new mansion in 6 weeks.

Other friends (multiple, my wife used to work in international travel) coming home from Middle East and Europe, all exactly the same. Some left early (and it was easier) other stayed for the $$$ and paid for it in $$$ and time. All back.

So that is incredibly solid evidence for me, first hand but I acknowledge that this is completely anecdotal, but this isnt a court its a forum.

You asked if I was "sure of myself" and I invited you to provide evidence to the contrary, I noticed you didnt or couldnt produce contrary information but still had a crack at me...thats "not like you"....oh wait a minute..its totally like you

Here is some actual accounts of the truth that arent from me so you will feel better. Its an 8 - 12 week wait, not >12months.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-27/travel-adviser-on-stranded-australians-overseas-during-covid-19/13087694

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-after-covid-19-emerged-australians-still-cant-get-home-11610015403

So no real evidence only anecdotal, OK. That’s solid and you must be right then.


ABC & Wall Street Journal anecdotal? Not a problem. The fact is the waiting list is about 8 weeks long. Happy for you to provide information refuting this but **what I actually expect is for you to stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes because the truth doesnt actually back up your political agenda** but for everyone else here, its out in the open.

The list is about 8 weeks long which means that everyone on that list has made a decision and are now paying the cost of taking personal responsibility. That is not to say that they should be additionally punished, I hope that they all get back as quick as possible as painlessly as possible.

Wow just wow. Just for the record I have absolutely no political agenda In this matter. It wouldn’t matter which side of politics made these decisions, the decisions are just wrong.


Of course its political, you have bashed the Govt repeatedly on this topic, it is what brought the thread back to life. There is NOTHING wrong with making that political point and you are completely entitled to it. The point you are making and your argument for it is completely sound and as I said in an earlier post if it was true I would be right by your side on this issue.

Trouble is that what you are basing your political point in is completely factually incorrect. I know this to be true from first hand knowledge and I have backed it up with articles from the ABC and Wall Street Journal. In response you have a crack at me personally rather than address the actual issue, which for me is pretty much the equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears.

Happy to be shown to be incorrect. If people are still waiting to be repatriated after waiting more than 12 months, you would be entirely correct.

Nope sorry my position is not at all political it's about the decisions. Pretty easy to understand really.

Politcal - *Adjective* 1.relating to the government or public affairs of a country. - Oxford Dictionary.

I agree, extremely easy to understand for most. Political is not a dirty word and worrying about the word political is semantics.

Your position was that people have been waiting for over 12months to get back and that the Goverment have an obligation to these people to get them back......is this incorrect?


To make it easy for you, it's not about which side of politics, Labor or Coalition. It's about the decisions. It's really that easy. Makes no difference what side of politics you are on the decisions are wrong. You are trying to make out it is political because I am bashing the Coalition. I'm not I am bashing the decisions,

Thanks for making it easier for me, much appreciated but I'd prefer it if you didnt put words you hear in your head in my mouth.

It has nothing to do with if it is Coalition or Labor in Govt and I never made that assertion. You are bashing the decisions made by the Govt, about Australian people. That makes it political. As I said, your argument is completely sound IMO if it was based on facts, but it isnt.

I notice that you are really hung up on me using the word political, but no intention of addressing the fact that the waiting list is 8 weeks long? Nor did you correct my version of your position?

 

[mike]

Interesting.

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210406-stranded-abroad-australians-lodge-un-petition-against-govt-for-right-to-return-home

 

[Tiger5150]

Interesting.

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210406-stranded-abroad-australians-lodge-un-petition-against-govt-for-right-to-return-home

That is interesting. Australia has brought home over 420,000 citizens and that number outstanding seems steady at 40,000. 6700 a week are returning at the moment so that lines up with the 6 weeks quoted in those other articles. So it is interesting that yet another article shows a 6 week waiting time.

 

[mike]

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

If people wanna jump the queue and put us all at risk I'm all for throwing them in jail

They are not jumping any queue. They are not displacing anyone They are trying to get home by any means available to them.

Which means jumping the queue , as they would normally have to wait their turn . That’s literally queue jumping.

If there has been 30 cases in quarantine , all it takes is 1 of those to escape into the community , and we are all at risk .
The biggest reason why , is the amount of people living under 1 roof in the Indian community .
That’s a recipe for disaster.

No one is displacing anyone. We are talking about Australian trying to return home, not immigration. We are managing the quarantine fine. There are transports sitting at Amberley doing nothing at the moment. We should be doing evacs of Australian Citizens now.

Evacs to where ? You can’t engage defence force for that. What safety protocols are in place for the soldiers and Air Force who have to man those planes . Where are they housed when they get here , and what processes are in place to keep the rest of Australia safe .

It’s so simplistic to say jump on a plane and go get them.

There are heaps of places available. Many within the control of the Australian Government. Worst you could build a temp tent evac/ quarantine facility. We have the capacity and capability, just not the will. I think Australia is the only country in the whole world that wants to punish its citizens for returning home. Disgraceful.


The Australian Govt did everything it could to get citizens home up until I think around August (havent checked the date). After that its at your cost and you wait for your number to be called. I had friends try to get home in June & July and it took weeks but they are all home. **There is noone stuck overseas that were trying to get home since July last year.** Everyone trying to get home now has either left since or made the decision to stay with all the information available to them about what the decision meant.

Im not defending the Govt, I would hope Labor would do the same. We have been spared the massive burden of this pandemic so far and I am grateful of that and if the price is people have to bear their own personal responsibility, I think that is a fair price.

You seem pretty sure of yourself there.


100% sure based on personal experiences, happy to be corrected if you have genuine data or information.

So you don't have any real evidence to support your position. That's not like you.

I have incredibly solid real evidence to completely proves my position and that is close personal friends that have been through the experience. One of which went on Facebook from her incredibly luxurious and priviledged life in SE Asia crying about why wouldnt Govt bring her home and she was home and in her new mansion in 6 weeks.

Other friends (multiple, my wife used to work in international travel) coming home from Middle East and Europe, all exactly the same. Some left early (and it was easier) other stayed for the $$$ and paid for it in $$$ and time. All back.

So that is incredibly solid evidence for me, first hand but I acknowledge that this is completely anecdotal, but this isnt a court its a forum.

You asked if I was "sure of myself" and I invited you to provide evidence to the contrary, I noticed you didnt or couldnt produce contrary information but still had a crack at me...thats "not like you"....oh wait a minute..its totally like you

Here is some actual accounts of the truth that arent from me so you will feel better. Its an 8 - 12 week wait, not >12months.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-27/travel-adviser-on-stranded-australians-overseas-during-covid-19/13087694

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-after-covid-19-emerged-australians-still-cant-get-home-11610015403

So no real evidence only anecdotal, OK. That’s solid and you must be right then.


ABC & Wall Street Journal anecdotal? Not a problem. The fact is the waiting list is about 8 weeks long. Happy for you to provide information refuting this but **what I actually expect is for you to stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes because the truth doesnt actually back up your political agenda** but for everyone else here, its out in the open.

The list is about 8 weeks long which means that everyone on that list has made a decision and are now paying the cost of taking personal responsibility. That is not to say that they should be additionally punished, I hope that they all get back as quick as possible as painlessly as possible.

Wow just wow. Just for the record I have absolutely no political agenda In this matter. It wouldn’t matter which side of politics made these decisions, the decisions are just wrong.


Of course its political, you have bashed the Govt repeatedly on this topic, it is what brought the thread back to life. There is NOTHING wrong with making that political point and you are completely entitled to it. The point you are making and your argument for it is completely sound and as I said in an earlier post if it was true I would be right by your side on this issue.

Trouble is that what you are basing your political point in is completely factually incorrect. I know this to be true from first hand knowledge and I have backed it up with articles from the ABC and Wall Street Journal. In response you have a crack at me personally rather than address the actual issue, which for me is pretty much the equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears.

Happy to be shown to be incorrect. If people are still waiting to be repatriated after waiting more than 12 months, you would be entirely correct.

Nope sorry my position is not at all political it's about the decisions. Pretty easy to understand really.

Politcal - *Adjective* 1.relating to the government or public affairs of a country. - Oxford Dictionary.

I agree, extremely easy to understand for most. Political is not a dirty word and worrying about the word political is semantics.

Your position was that people have been waiting for over 12months to get back and that the Goverment have an obligation to these people to get them back......is this incorrect?


To make it easy for you, it's not about which side of politics, Labor or Coalition. It's about the decisions. It's really that easy. Makes no difference what side of politics you are on the decisions are wrong. You are trying to make out it is political because I am bashing the Coalition. I'm not I am bashing the decisions,


Thanks for making it easier for me, much appreciated but I'd prefer it if you didnt put words you hear in your head in my mouth.

It has nothing to do with if it is Coalition or Labor in Govt and I never made that assertion. You are bashing the decisions made by the Govt, about Australian people. That makes it political. As I said, your argument is completely sound IMO if it was based on facts, but it isnt.

I notice that you are really hung up on me using the word political, but **no intention of addressing the fact that the waiting list is 8 weeks long**? Nor did you correct my version of your position?

I thought you would have been good enough to do that, but alas I was wrong.

 

[mike]

Interesting.

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210406-stranded-abroad-australians-lodge-un-petition-against-govt-for-right-to-return-home


That is interesting. Australia has brought home over 420,000 citizens and that number outstanding seems steady at 40,000. 6700 a week are returning at the moment so that lines up with the 6 weeks quoted in those other articles. So it is interesting that yet another article shows a 6 week waiting time.

Is there no one waiting longer than 6 weeks?

 

[Tiger5150]

Interesting.

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210406-stranded-abroad-australians-lodge-un-petition-against-govt-for-right-to-return-home


That is interesting. Australia has brought home over 420,000 citizens and that number outstanding seems steady at 40,000. 6700 a week are returning at the moment so that lines up with the 6 weeks quoted in those other articles. So it is interesting that yet another article shows a 6 week waiting time.

Is there no one waiting longer than 6 weeks?

I dont have details of every case obviously but based on those articles, the number is steady at around 40K and they are returning at 6700 a week and the waiting list is 6-8 weeks.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Interesting.

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210406-stranded-abroad-australians-lodge-un-petition-against-govt-for-right-to-return-home

The reason that the government doesn't clear themselves by stating that all people overseas are there by choosing to be so, is they know it to be otherwise and thus it is not plausibly deniable.

 

[mike]

Interesting.

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210406-stranded-abroad-australians-lodge-un-petition-against-govt-for-right-to-return-home


That is interesting. Australia has brought home over 420,000 citizens and that number outstanding seems steady at 40,000. 6700 a week are returning at the moment so that lines up with the 6 weeks quoted in those other articles. So it is interesting that yet another article shows a 6 week waiting time.

Is there no one waiting longer than 6 weeks?


I dont have details of every case obviously but based on those articles, the number is steady at around 40K and they are returning at 6700 a week and the waiting list is 6-8 weeks.

Glad you finally admit that you don't have details. phew, I was getting worried there. Anyway we are only going to go around in circles because we don't agree on this matter and never will. You interpret articles the way you see them it as do I, they just don't agree.

 

[Tiger5150]

Interesting.

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210406-stranded-abroad-australians-lodge-un-petition-against-govt-for-right-to-return-home


That is interesting. Australia has brought home over 420,000 citizens and that number outstanding seems steady at 40,000. 6700 a week are returning at the moment so that lines up with the 6 weeks quoted in those other articles. So it is interesting that yet another article shows a 6 week waiting time.

Is there no one waiting longer than 6 weeks?


I dont have details of every case obviously but based on those articles, the number is steady at around 40K and they are returning at 6700 a week and the waiting list is 6-8 weeks.

Glad you finally admit that you don't have details. phew, I was getting worried there. Anyway we are only going to go around in circles because we don't agree on this matter and never will. You interpret articles the way you see them it as do I, they just don't agree.

I have no problem with that. Everyone has different opinions on all different topics. I have agreed and disagreed with many here including people who I agree and disagree with their POV. In a number of posts here I have made a point of agreeing with your argument, just not the facts that it is based on. How about leaving the personal stuff out in the future?

 

[mike]

Interesting.

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210406-stranded-abroad-australians-lodge-un-petition-against-govt-for-right-to-return-home


That is interesting. Australia has brought home over 420,000 citizens and that number outstanding seems steady at 40,000. 6700 a week are returning at the moment so that lines up with the 6 weeks quoted in those other articles. So it is interesting that yet another article shows a 6 week waiting time.

Is there no one waiting longer than 6 weeks?


I dont have details of every case obviously but based on those articles, the number is steady at around 40K and they are returning at 6700 a week and the waiting list is 6-8 weeks.

Glad you finally admit that you don't have details. phew, I was getting worried there. Anyway we are only going to go around in circles because we don't agree on this matter and never will. You interpret articles the way you see them it as do I, they just don't agree.


I have no problem with that. Everyone has different opinions on all different topics. I have agreed and disagreed with many here including people who I agree and disagree with their POV. In a number of posts here I have made a point of agreeing with your argument, just not the facts that it is based on. How about leaving the personal stuff out in the future?

You first.

 

[Tiger5150]

Interesting.

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210406-stranded-abroad-australians-lodge-un-petition-against-govt-for-right-to-return-home


That is interesting. Australia has brought home over 420,000 citizens and that number outstanding seems steady at 40,000. 6700 a week are returning at the moment so that lines up with the 6 weeks quoted in those other articles. So it is interesting that yet another article shows a 6 week waiting time.

Is there no one waiting longer than 6 weeks?


I dont have details of every case obviously but based on those articles, the number is steady at around 40K and they are returning at 6700 a week and the waiting list is 6-8 weeks.

Glad you finally admit that you don't have details. phew, I was getting worried there. Anyway we are only going to go around in circles because we don't agree on this matter and never will. You interpret articles the way you see them it as do I, they just don't agree.


I have no problem with that. Everyone has different opinions on all different topics. I have agreed and disagreed with many here including people who I agree and disagree with their POV. In a number of posts here I have made a point of agreeing with your argument, just not the facts that it is based on. How about leaving the personal stuff out in the future?

You first.

Are you serious? How about you re-read the recent pages.......you might even find some *" real evidence to support your position. That’s not like you."*

 

[mike]

Interesting.

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210406-stranded-abroad-australians-lodge-un-petition-against-govt-for-right-to-return-home


That is interesting. Australia has brought home over 420,000 citizens and that number outstanding seems steady at 40,000. 6700 a week are returning at the moment so that lines up with the 6 weeks quoted in those other articles. So it is interesting that yet another article shows a 6 week waiting time.

Is there no one waiting longer than 6 weeks?


I dont have details of every case obviously but based on those articles, the number is steady at around 40K and they are returning at 6700 a week and the waiting list is 6-8 weeks.

Glad you finally admit that you don't have details. phew, I was getting worried there. Anyway we are only going to go around in circles because we don't agree on this matter and never will. You interpret articles the way you see them it as do I, they just don't agree.


I have no problem with that. Everyone has different opinions on all different topics. I have agreed and disagreed with many here including people who I agree and disagree with their POV. In a number of posts here I have made a point of agreeing with your argument, just not the facts that it is based on. How about leaving the personal stuff out in the future?

You first.


Are you serious? How about you re-read the recent pages.......you might even find some *" real evidence to support your position. That’s not like you."*

OK

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Have any forum members had a Covid vaccination yet?
I scheduled to have my first shot on Thursday but starting to get nervous about people getting blood clotting after their vaccinations.

No and not going to get it

Are you one of the Blue Mountains 5G nutcases? ?

Nah mate ..I’m all for 5G

My body is a temple and there’s no way I’ll be getting a vaccine that may cause blood clots.

If you drink you are at risk of blood clots mate.

 

[hobbo1]

Have any forum members had a Covid vaccination yet?
I scheduled to have my first shot on Thursday but starting to get nervous about people getting blood clotting after their vaccinations.

No and not going to get it

Are you one of the Blue Mountains 5G nutcases? ?

Nah mate ..I’m all for 5G

My body is a temple and there’s no way I’ll be getting a vaccine that may cause blood clots.

If you drink you are at risk of blood clots mate.

Does that include binge drinking?

Seriously though I’m not taking snake oil that scomo hedged his bets on .
I don’t trust anything he says .