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@hobbo1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351179) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351176) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351137) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351130) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351108) said:
@bathursttiger1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351100) said:
Have any forum members had a Covid vaccination yet?
I scheduled to have my first shot on Thursday but starting to get nervous about people getting blood clotting after their vaccinations.

No and not going to get it

Are you one of the Blue Mountains 5G nutcases? ?

Nah mate ..I’m all for 5G

My body is a temple and there’s no way I’ll be getting a vaccine that may cause blood clots.

If you drink you are at risk of blood clots mate.

Does that include binge drinking?

Seriously though I’m not taking snake oil that scomo hedged his bets on .
I don’t trust anything he says .

Either or. Drinking causes Atrial Fibrillation which in turn can cause clots.
 
At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro
 
Either way, it is good that the Victorian government are already planning for an MRNA capable facility in the absence of leadership elsewhere.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351212) said:
Either way, it is good that the Victorian government are already planning for an MRNA capable facility in the absence of leadership elsewhere.



That was the most positive news that i have read in the last month.At least 1 government in this country has some vision
 
@jadtiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351217) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351212) said:
Either way, it is good that the Victorian government are already planning for an MRNA capable facility in the absence of leadership elsewhere.



That was the most positive news that i have read in the last month.At least 1 government in this country has some vision

Victoria?????????????
 
@coivtny said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351221) said:
@jadtiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351217) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351212) said:
Either way, it is good that the Victorian government are already planning for an MRNA capable facility in the absence of leadership elsewhere.



That was the most positive news that i have read in the last month.At least 1 government in this country has some vision

Victoria?????????????


Believe it or not they are the only government that is trying to develop modern vaccines in this country.I am not holding my breath to see if it happens but at least they are trying
 
@tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351189) said:
At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

Relative to things like influenza (or HIV) it has a fairly sluggish mutation rate from what I've read. The dynamics of influenza vaccines are dictated by its high mutation rate and the way in which it mutates, so I don't think there are likely to be parallels.
I don't see any correlation between antibiotic resistance and viral vaccines.
 
@jadtiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351228) said:
@coivtny said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351221) said:
@jadtiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351217) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351212) said:
Either way, it is good that the Victorian government are already planning for an MRNA capable facility in the absence of leadership elsewhere.



That was the most positive news that i have read in the last month.At least 1 government in this country has some vision

Victoria?????????????


Believe it or not they are the only government that is trying to develop modern vaccines in this country.I am not holding my breath to see if it happens but at least they are trying

Sorry, not having a dig at you but I can't rate this Victorian government positively on vision, leadership or anything else. There are over 800 dead as a result of their dreadful governance and management of COVID.
 
@coivtny said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351255) said:
@jadtiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351228) said:
@coivtny said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351221) said:
@jadtiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351217) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351212) said:
Either way, it is good that the Victorian government are already planning for an MRNA capable facility in the absence of leadership elsewhere.



That was the most positive news that i have read in the last month.At least 1 government in this country has some vision

Victoria?????????????


Believe it or not they are the only government that is trying to develop modern vaccines in this country.I am not holding my breath to see if it happens but at least they are trying

Sorry, not having a dig at you but I can't rate this Victorian government positively on vision, leadership or anything else. There are over 800 dead as a result of their dreadful governance and management of COVID.


They did badly last year no doubt.But this is a positive step which no other government in our country of any political persuasion has had enough intelligence to act on.It can only be a positive thing to have the technology in our country to develop vaccines for our needs.
 
“The Governor-General of the Commonwealth of Australia, being the representative in Australia of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, requests all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer, an Australian Citizen, to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford him or her every assistance and protection of which he or she may stand in need.”

I guess someone forgot to tell Hunt.
 
People want to hold the government accountable.

If you were overseas at the time of the pandemic and immediately tried to repatriate when the government warned all citizens to get home, then the government should be ashamed that they did not do more to get these people home.

People that left after the pandemic broke out, or chose to stay O/S for personal benefit, made their own decision. Should not expect a bailout.
 
@harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351446) said:
People want to hold the government accountable.

If you were overseas at the time of the pandemic and immediately tried to repatriate when the government warned all citizens to get home, then the government should be ashamed that they did not do more to get these people home.

People that left after the pandemic broke out, or chose to stay O/S for personal benefit, made their own decision. Should not expect a bailout.

I would expect people pay their way home. I don't expect taxpayer funded charter flights. I simply do not want Australians being told they can't come home.

There is a variety of reasons why one could be overseas during the pandemic.
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351450) said:
@harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351446) said:
People want to hold the government accountable.

If you were overseas at the time of the pandemic and immediately tried to repatriate when the government warned all citizens to get home, then the government should be ashamed that they did not do more to get these people home.

People that left after the pandemic broke out, or chose to stay O/S for personal benefit, made their own decision. Should not expect a bailout.

I would expect people pay their way home. I don't expect taxpayer funded charter flights. I simply do not want Australians being told they can't come home.

There is a variety of reasons why one could be overseas during the pandemic.

Isn't that what the situation has been with the exception of India the last few days? Need to pay for your own flight home & your own quarantine.

The issue is the number of flights and and the amount of quarantine space available, which the government does not have total control over.

If the government was to suddenly increase the availability of quarantine spaces through using places like Christmas island and other isolated areas, what do you think the reaction would be:
a) Thank you. I am so grateful I just want to get home.
b) That's barbaric you can't expect us to go to those locations we need to have ...... blah, blah, blah insert any requirements that demonstrate a sense of self centred entitlement.
 
@harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351472) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351450) said:
@harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351446) said:
People want to hold the government accountable.

If you were overseas at the time of the pandemic and immediately tried to repatriate when the government warned all citizens to get home, then the government should be ashamed that they did not do more to get these people home.

People that left after the pandemic broke out, or chose to stay O/S for personal benefit, made their own decision. Should not expect a bailout.

I would expect people pay their way home. I don't expect taxpayer funded charter flights. I simply do not want Australians being told they can't come home.

There is a variety of reasons why one could be overseas during the pandemic.

Isn't that what the situation has been with the exception of India the last few days? Need to pay for your own flight home & your own quarantine.

The issue is the number of flights and and the amount of quarantine space available, which the government does not have total control over.

If the government was to suddenly increase the availability of quarantine spaces through using places like Christmas island and other isolated areas, what do you think the reaction would be:
a) Thank you. I am so grateful I just want to get home.
b) That's barbaric you can't expect us to go to those locations we need to have ...... blah, blah, blah insert any requirements that demonstrate a sense of self centred entitlement.

The government has had ample opportunity to create more quarantine places in remote areas.

The second part of your comment is merely supposition on your part. There's been people whinging about being locked down in 5-star hotels so anything is possible.
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351492) said:
@harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351472) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351450) said:
@harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351446) said:
People want to hold the government accountable.

If you were overseas at the time of the pandemic and immediately tried to repatriate when the government warned all citizens to get home, then the government should be ashamed that they did not do more to get these people home.

People that left after the pandemic broke out, or chose to stay O/S for personal benefit, made their own decision. Should not expect a bailout.

I would expect people pay their way home. I don't expect taxpayer funded charter flights. I simply do not want Australians being told they can't come home.

There is a variety of reasons why one could be overseas during the pandemic.

Isn't that what the situation has been with the exception of India the last few days? Need to pay for your own flight home & your own quarantine.

The issue is the number of flights and and the amount of quarantine space available, which the government does not have total control over.

If the government was to suddenly increase the availability of quarantine spaces through using places like Christmas island and other isolated areas, what do you think the reaction would be:
a) Thank you. I am so grateful I just want to get home.
b) That's barbaric you can't expect us to go to those locations we need to have ...... blah, blah, blah insert any requirements that demonstrate a sense of self centred entitlement.

The government has had ample opportunity to create more quarantine places in remote areas.

The second part of your comment is merely supposition on your part. There's been people whinging about being locked down in 5-star hotels so anything is possible.

Aren't state governments setting the number of returned Australians that they will accept each week?
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351492) said:
@harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351472) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351450) said:
@harvey said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1351446) said:
People want to hold the government accountable.

If you were overseas at the time of the pandemic and immediately tried to repatriate when the government warned all citizens to get home, then the government should be ashamed that they did not do more to get these people home.

People that left after the pandemic broke out, or chose to stay O/S for personal benefit, made their own decision. Should not expect a bailout.

I would expect people pay their way home. I don't expect taxpayer funded charter flights. I simply do not want Australians being told they can't come home.

There is a variety of reasons why one could be overseas during the pandemic.

Isn't that what the situation has been with the exception of India the last few days? Need to pay for your own flight home & your own quarantine.

The issue is the number of flights and and the amount of quarantine space available, which the government does not have total control over.

If the government was to suddenly increase the availability of quarantine spaces through using places like Christmas island and other isolated areas, what do you think the reaction would be:
a) Thank you. I am so grateful I just want to get home.
b) That's barbaric you can't expect us to go to those locations we need to have ...... blah, blah, blah insert any requirements that demonstrate a sense of self centred entitlement.

The government has had ample opportunity to create more quarantine places in remote areas.

The second part of your comment is merely supposition on your part. There's been people whinging about being locked down in 5-star hotels so anything is possible.


There is a 6 - 8 week waiting list. Anyone over seas has had "ample opportunity" to get home and it has been their responsibility. I share with most here that it does seem pretty tough to completely shut the door on India, ie you CANT come back, but even in that case all of those people have had 14 months to make that decisions and the Govt hasnt made the decision out of spite, it is to protect its citizens here.
 
All. Sydney Airport workers getting vaccinated soon.
My missus booked in for this Friday and then for 2 weeks after that
I'm assuming it's Az.... I thought I was a 12 week period between the first and 2nd jab?
 
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1353206) said:
All. Sydney Airport workers getting vaccinated soon.
My missus booked in for this Friday and then for 2 weeks after that
I'm assuming it's Az.... I thought I was a 12 week period between the first and 2nd jab?

That's correct for the AZ jab Ink. I get my first Pfizer shot tomorrow.
 
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