Coronavirus Outbreak

[innsaneink]

All. Sydney Airport workers getting vaccinated soon.
My missus booked in for this Friday and then for 2 weeks after that
I'm assuming it's Az.... I thought I was a 12 week period between the first and 2nd jab?

That's correct for the AZ jab Ink. I get my first Pfizer shot tomorrow.

What's the time frame between jabs for Pfizer?

 

[mike]

People want to hold the government accountable.

If you were overseas at the time of the pandemic and immediately tried to repatriate when the government warned all citizens to get home, then the government should be ashamed that they did not do more to get these people home.

People that left after the pandemic broke out, or chose to stay O/S for personal benefit, made their own decision. Should not expect a bailout.

I would expect people pay their way home. I don't expect taxpayer funded charter flights. I simply do not want Australians being told they can't come home.

There is a variety of reasons why one could be overseas during the pandemic.

Isn't that what the situation has been with the exception of India the last few days? Need to pay for your own flight home & your own quarantine.

The issue is the number of flights and and the amount of quarantine space available, which the government does not have total control over.

If the government was to suddenly increase the availability of quarantine spaces through using places like Christmas island and other isolated areas, what do you think the reaction would be:
a) Thank you. I am so grateful I just want to get home.
b) That's barbaric you can't expect us to go to those locations we need to have ...... blah, blah, blah insert any requirements that demonstrate a sense of self centred entitlement.

The government has had ample opportunity to create more quarantine places in remote areas.

The second part of your comment is merely supposition on your part. There's been people whinging about being locked down in 5-star hotels so anything is possible.


There is a 6 - 8 week waiting list. Anyone over seas has had "ample opportunity" to get home and it has been their responsibility. I share with most here that it does seem pretty tough to completely shut the door on India, ie you CANT come back, but even in that case all of those people have had 14 months to make that decisions and the Govt hasnt made the decision out of spite, it is to protect its citizens here.

Not true that is just your interpretation of the data and you extrapolating you antidotal events. I have the exact opposite antidotal events to yourself.

You are not stating facts. Many have been stuck overseas for a very long time.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

People want to hold the government accountable.

If you were overseas at the time of the pandemic and immediately tried to repatriate when the government warned all citizens to get home, then the government should be ashamed that they did not do more to get these people home.

People that left after the pandemic broke out, or chose to stay O/S for personal benefit, made their own decision. Should not expect a bailout.

I would expect people pay their way home. I don't expect taxpayer funded charter flights. I simply do not want Australians being told they can't come home.

There is a variety of reasons why one could be overseas during the pandemic.

Isn't that what the situation has been with the exception of India the last few days? Need to pay for your own flight home & your own quarantine.

The issue is the number of flights and and the amount of quarantine space available, which the government does not have total control over.

If the government was to suddenly increase the availability of quarantine spaces through using places like Christmas island and other isolated areas, what do you think the reaction would be:
a) Thank you. I am so grateful I just want to get home.
b) That's barbaric you can't expect us to go to those locations we need to have ...... blah, blah, blah insert any requirements that demonstrate a sense of self centred entitlement.

The government has had ample opportunity to create more quarantine places in remote areas.

The second part of your comment is merely supposition on your part. There's been people whinging about being locked down in 5-star hotels so anything is possible.


There is a 6 - 8 week waiting list. Anyone over seas has had "ample opportunity" to get home and it has been their responsibility. I share with most here that it does seem pretty tough to completely shut the door on India, ie you CANT come back, but even in that case all of those people have had 14 months to make that decisions and the Govt hasnt made the decision out of spite, it is to protect its citizens here.

That's a fair point regarding returning home, and I get why people feel that way, although I feel there are a myriad of reasons as to why one would be overseas. Anecdotal but a colleague I used to work with returned to Australia with his family from Singapore for a period, and has recently been ordered to return to guarantee his employment. His family are staying behind and he is returning so that he does not lose his job.

However, I am of the opinion that your Australian passport guarantees you entry to this country at all times. I am never in favour of telling Australian citizens that they cannot come home, much less threatening them with hefty fines or gaol time.

 

[mike]

People want to hold the government accountable.

If you were overseas at the time of the pandemic and immediately tried to repatriate when the government warned all citizens to get home, then the government should be ashamed that they did not do more to get these people home.

People that left after the pandemic broke out, or chose to stay O/S for personal benefit, made their own decision. Should not expect a bailout.

I would expect people pay their way home. I don't expect taxpayer funded charter flights. I simply do not want Australians being told they can't come home.

There is a variety of reasons why one could be overseas during the pandemic.

Isn't that what the situation has been with the exception of India the last few days? Need to pay for your own flight home & your own quarantine.

The issue is the number of flights and and the amount of quarantine space available, which the government does not have total control over.

If the government was to suddenly increase the availability of quarantine spaces through using places like Christmas island and other isolated areas, what do you think the reaction would be:
a) Thank you. I am so grateful I just want to get home.
b) That's barbaric you can't expect us to go to those locations we need to have ...... blah, blah, blah insert any requirements that demonstrate a sense of self centred entitlement.

The government has had ample opportunity to create more quarantine places in remote areas.

The second part of your comment is merely supposition on your part. There's been people whinging about being locked down in 5-star hotels so anything is possible.


There is a 6 - 8 week waiting list. Anyone over seas has had "ample opportunity" to get home and it has been their responsibility. I share with most here that it does seem pretty tough to completely shut the door on India, ie you CANT come back, but even in that case all of those people have had 14 months to make that decisions and the Govt hasnt made the decision out of spite, it is to protect its citizens here.

That's a fair point regarding returning home, and I get why people feel that way, although I feel there are a myriad of reasons as to why one would be overseas. Anecdotal but a colleague I used to work with returned to Australia with his family from Singapore for a period, and has recently been ordered to return to guarantee his employment. His family are staying behind and he is returning so that he does not lose his job.

However, I am of the opinion that your Australian passport guarantees you entry to this country at all times. I am never in favour of telling Australian citizens that they cannot come home, much less threatening them with hefty fines or gaol time.

If our own Government can’t respect the passport what do you think other governments will do. I believe this will have long term consequences past COVID.

It looks like it will be challenged in court, and so it should.

 

[tiger_one]

All. Sydney Airport workers getting vaccinated soon.
My missus booked in for this Friday and then for 2 weeks after that
I'm assuming it's Az.... I thought I was a 12 week period between the first and 2nd jab?

Ink, from what I hear, it's a 12 week gap in the covid vaccination, but any other vaccination (eg the flu jab) can happen with just a 2 week gap.
Is maybe the second jab for the flu?

 

[tigger]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

 

[jadtiger]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

Off course it will flare up again here this winter,it is very short sighted by anybody to feel that it wont.I will have mine in 16 days time as i am category 1b(68 with inherited medical issues).I would urge everyone who sees aged parents or grandparents to do the same even if you think you are safe it is other peoples lives you effect

 

[innsaneink]

All. Sydney Airport workers getting vaccinated soon.
My missus booked in for this Friday and then for 2 weeks after that
I'm assuming it's Az.... I thought I was a 12 week period between the first and 2nd jab?


Ink, from what I hear, it's a 12 week gap in the covid vaccination, but any other vaccination (eg the flu jab) can happen with just a 2 week gap.
Is maybe the second jab for the flu?

Maybe

 

[the_third]

All. Sydney Airport workers getting vaccinated soon.
My missus booked in for this Friday and then for 2 weeks after that
I'm assuming it's Az.... I thought I was a 12 week period between the first and 2nd jab?


Ink, from what I hear, it's a 12 week gap in the covid vaccination, but any other vaccination (eg the flu jab) can happen with just a 2 week gap.
Is maybe the second jab for the flu?

Maybe

Pfizer is 3 weeks or something between jabs

 

[innsaneink]

Looks like they've stuffed up


 

[old_man_tiger]

Looks like they've stuffed up


Might be pfizer mate, that's definitely 3 weeks

 

[innsaneink]

Looks like they've stuffed up


Might be pfizer mate, that's definitely 3 weeks

Thanks old man yeah just realized my maths really needs work ???

3 week gap ???

 

[OzLuke]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

mate I got my astra jab through work. Made me feel rotten for about 3 days then I was fine. Headache sore joints and lethargy, then nothing.
Just an fyi from personal experience

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

People want to hold the government accountable.

If you were overseas at the time of the pandemic and immediately tried to repatriate when the government warned all citizens to get home, then the government should be ashamed that they did not do more to get these people home.

People that left after the pandemic broke out, or chose to stay O/S for personal benefit, made their own decision. Should not expect a bailout.

I would expect people pay their way home. I don't expect taxpayer funded charter flights. I simply do not want Australians being told they can't come home.

There is a variety of reasons why one could be overseas during the pandemic.

Isn't that what the situation has been with the exception of India the last few days? Need to pay for your own flight home & your own quarantine.

The issue is the number of flights and and the amount of quarantine space available, which the government does not have total control over.

If the government was to suddenly increase the availability of quarantine spaces through using places like Christmas island and other isolated areas, what do you think the reaction would be:
a) Thank you. I am so grateful I just want to get home.
b) That's barbaric you can't expect us to go to those locations we need to have ...... blah, blah, blah insert any requirements that demonstrate a sense of self centred entitlement.

The government has had ample opportunity to create more quarantine places in remote areas.

The second part of your comment is merely supposition on your part. There's been people whinging about being locked down in 5-star hotels so anything is possible.


There is a 6 - 8 week waiting list. Anyone over seas has had "ample opportunity" to get home and it has been their responsibility. I share with most here that it does seem pretty tough to completely shut the door on India, ie you CANT come back, but even in that case all of those people have had 14 months to make that decisions and the Govt hasnt made the decision out of spite, it is to protect its citizens here.

That's a fair point regarding returning home, and I get why people feel that way, although I feel there are a myriad of reasons as to why one would be overseas. Anecdotal but a colleague I used to work with returned to Australia with his family from Singapore for a period, and has recently been ordered to return to guarantee his employment. His family are staying behind and he is returning so that he does not lose his job.

However, I am of the opinion that your Australian passport guarantees you entry to this country at all times. I am never in favour of telling Australian citizens that they cannot come home, much less threatening them with hefty fines or gaol time.

If our own Government can’t respect the passport what do you think other governments will do. I believe this will have long term consequences past COVID.

It looks like it will be challenged in court, and so it should.

This is why I believe it is important that the borders be left open to returning citizens. It's starts off being a public safety issue, and then all of a sudden it's expanded to people the government deem a threat for whatever reason.

I hope it is challenged, and I hope it is successful.

 

[bathursttiger1]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

mate I got my astra jab through work. Made me feel rotten for about 3 days then I was fine. Headache sore joints and lethargy, then nothing.
Just an fyi from personal experience

I’m getting mine had on Thursday, if I kick the bucket, I’ve told my wife I want this in my headstone “told you I wasn’t feeling well”

 

[OzLuke]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

mate I got my astra jab through work. Made me feel rotten for about 3 days then I was fine. Headache sore joints and lethargy, then nothing.
Just an fyi from personal experience


I’m getting mine had on Thursday, if I kick the bucket, I’ve told my wife I want this in my headstone “told you I wasn’t feeling well”

hahahaha man flu is a scientific fact!!

 

[jadtiger]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

mate I got my astra jab through work. Made me feel rotten for about 3 days then I was fine. Headache sore joints and lethargy, then nothing.
Just an fyi from personal experience


I’m getting mine had on Thursday, if I kick the bucket, I’ve told my wife I want this in my headstone “told you I wasn’t feeling well”

Thats on Spike Milligans headstone

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

mate I got my astra jab through work. Made me feel rotten for about 3 days then I was fine. Headache sore joints and lethargy, then nothing.
Just an fyi from personal experience


I’m getting mine had on Thursday, if I kick the bucket, I’ve told my wife I want this in my headstone “told you I wasn’t feeling well”


Thats on Spike Milligans headstone

Haha beat me to it. He had it written in Gaelic.

 

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At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

mate I got my astra jab through work. Made me feel rotten for about 3 days then I was fine. Headache sore joints and lethargy, then nothing.
Just an fyi from personal experience

Thanks mate.

I hope I can avoid that (side effects) I'm driving from Melbourne to Mildura on Thursday. The missus has already given me heaps for not delaying the injection until afterwards....Oh well!

 

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All. Sydney Airport workers getting vaccinated soon.
My missus booked in for this Friday and then for 2 weeks after that
I'm assuming it's Az.... I thought I was a 12 week period between the first and 2nd jab?

I had my flu jab last Thursday and was told there is a mandatory 3 week wait till I can have the AZ Covid jab.
My Dr. did say when I asked about side effects that h/aches and joint pain were the most common and that none of his patients had blood clotting problems so far.
I wasn't given the option of the Pfizer jab.