Coronavirus Outbreak

[bathursttiger1]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

mate I got my astra jab through work. Made me feel rotten for about 3 days then I was fine. Headache sore joints and lethargy, then nothing.
Just an fyi from personal experience


I’m getting mine had on Thursday, if I kick the bucket, I’ve told my wife I want this in my headstone “told you I wasn’t feeling well”


Thats on Spike Milligans headstone

That’s where I got it from, I’m a Spike fan.
One of the best comedians ever.

 

[jadtiger]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

mate I got my astra jab through work. Made me feel rotten for about 3 days then I was fine. Headache sore joints and lethargy, then nothing.
Just an fyi from personal experience


I’m getting mine had on Thursday, if I kick the bucket, I’ve told my wife I want this in my headstone “told you I wasn’t feeling well”


Thats on Spike Milligans headstone

That’s where I got it from, I’m a Spike fan.
One of the best comedians ever.

Agreed.he was one of the best

 

[BZN]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

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But just in case Yuh do...can you pm me please to let me know how Good it is on the other side :hugging_face: :man_dancing:

 

[tigger]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

But just in case Yuh do...can you pm me please to let me know how Good it is on the other side :hugging_face: :man_dancing:

I'll come back and haunt the forum, Magpie.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

mate I got my astra jab through work. Made me feel rotten for about 3 days then I was fine. Headache sore joints and lethargy, then nothing.
Just an fyi from personal experience


I’m getting mine had on Thursday, if I kick the bucket, I’ve told my wife I want this in my headstone “told you I wasn’t feeling well”


Thats on Spike Milligans headstone

That’s where I got it from, I’m a Spike fan.
One of the best comedians ever.


Agreed.he was one of the best

Yeah he was good, I'm a big fan of Peter Cook and Dudley Moore too.

 

[BZN]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

But just in case Yuh do...can you pm me please to let me know how Good it is on the other side :hugging_face: :man_dancing:

I'll come back and haunt the forum, Magpie.

:ghost: :ghost: :ghost: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

 

[cochise]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

mate I got my astra jab through work. Made me feel rotten for about 3 days then I was fine. Headache sore joints and lethargy, then nothing.
Just an fyi from personal experience

Thanks mate.

I hope I can avoid that (side effects) I'm driving from Melbourne to Mildura on Thursday. The missus has already given me heaps for not delaying the injection until afterwards....Oh well!

My wife works in health and everyone who has had the astrazeneca vaccine has had the next day off with flu symptoms.

 

[tigger]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

mate I got my astra jab through work. Made me feel rotten for about 3 days then I was fine. Headache sore joints and lethargy, then nothing.
Just an fyi from personal experience

Thanks mate.

I hope I can avoid that (side effects) I'm driving from Melbourne to Mildura on Thursday. The missus has already given me heaps for not delaying the injection until afterwards....Oh well!

My wife works in health and everyone who has had the astrazeneca vaccine has had the next day off with flu symptoms.

From what I've read that's more likely to happen to younger people because their immune systems are more robust.

I'm almost 70 but in my head I'm still only 21, so I'm not sure how that's going to work out. I guess I'm going to find out in the next 48 hours.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[cochise]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

mate I got my astra jab through work. Made me feel rotten for about 3 days then I was fine. Headache sore joints and lethargy, then nothing.
Just an fyi from personal experience

Thanks mate.

I hope I can avoid that (side effects) I'm driving from Melbourne to Mildura on Thursday. The missus has already given me heaps for not delaying the injection until afterwards....Oh well!

My wife works in health and everyone who has had the astrazeneca vaccine has had the next day off with flu symptoms.

From what I've read that's more likely to happen to younger people because their immune systems are more robust.

I'm almost 70 but in my head I'm still only 21, so I'm not sure how that's going to work out. I guess I'm going to find out in the next 48 hours.

Thanks for the heads up.

Exactly what my wife just said

 

[innsaneink]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

mate I got my astra jab through work. Made me feel rotten for about 3 days then I was fine. Headache sore joints and lethargy, then nothing.
Just an fyi from personal experience

Thanks mate.

I hope I can avoid that (side effects) I'm driving from Melbourne to Mildura on Thursday. The missus has already given me heaps for not delaying the injection until afterwards....Oh well!

My wife works in health and everyone who has had the astrazeneca vaccine has had the next day off with flu symptoms.

From what I've read that's more likely to happen to younger people because their immune systems are more robust.

I'm almost 70 but in my head I'm still only 21, so I'm not sure how that's going to work out. I guess I'm going to find out in the next 48 hours.

Thanks for the heads up.

I had AZ and was meant to work. The next day but glad I. Swapped
... Was very "low batt" according to the Mrs ?

 

[mike]

Looks like they've stuffed up


Might be pfizer mate, that's definitely 3 weeks

I’m booked in for Tuesday week and then 12 weeks later through my local GP. AstraZeneca for me.

 

[the_third]

I was told by someone pretty senior at a big hospital that the reactions pretty much mirror what you get from the flue jab, just a little worse (but still not significant) ie if you feel dodgy after the flu jab, you feel dodgy after the COVID one.

 

[the_third]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I don't really agree with that as you risk getting it for 2.5 years. I figure it's like buying a phone or other tech, just get the best one you can when you can and then upgrade as you need to. If not you just run the risk of never, buying anything - except you run the risk of getting a really bad virus.

The head of Pfizer came out and reckons it looks like it will be an annual vaccination at this stage, maybe even a shorter timeframe.

Here is a story on the UK and SA strains from the guy who led the Pfizer vaccine.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/question-choices-pfizer-vaccine-leader-confronting-new-coronavirus-variants

and from Bourla (Pfizer guy) on booster shots.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/annual-covid-19-vaccine-booster-shots-likely-needed-pfizer-ceo-says-11618520527

It's worth noting that India currently has a mutation of both the SA and UK strains in one, and the one in Tanzania looks pretty bad.

 

[the_third]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro


I don't really agree with that as you risk getting it for 2.5 years. I figure it's like buying a phone or other tech, just get the best one you can when you can and then upgrade as you need to. If not you just run the risk of never, buying anything - except you run the risk of getting a really bad virus.

The head of Pfizer came out and reckons it looks like it will be an annual vaccination at this stage, maybe even a shorter timeframe.

Here is a story on the UK and SA strains from the guy who led the Pfizer vaccine.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/question-choices-pfizer-vaccine-leader-confronting-new-coronavirus-variants

and from Bourla (Pfizer guy) on booster shots.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/annual-covid-19-vaccine-booster-shots-likely-needed-pfizer-ceo-says-11618520527

It's worth noting that India currently has a mutation of both the SA and UK strains in one, and the one in Tanzania looks pretty bad.

oh and if you ever want o travel overseas - you willed the vaccine for sure

 

[happy_tiger]

At the risk of totally blowing up this thread, Ill throw out an interesting thought experiment purely for conversation.

Let me preface all of this by saying I am NOT anti Vax and at some stage I will probably be getting, just trying to work out (nothing to do with this discussion) when is the right time to get it.

Right now in Australia, based on our current border controls, there is no need to get vaccinated from a *personal protection* point of view.

Rationale behind vaccinating Australians would include protection in the case of a quarantine outbreak and of course preparation for when international travel becomes less or unrestricted. These reasons make sense and have different levels of urgency.

Trouble is the virus is still burning through populations all over the world with varying intensity. As the virus goes through a population it will naturally mutate and evolve. We are seeing the new "UK", "SA" and "Brazilian" strains are more infectious and virulent. Im not sure that there is conclusive evidence that the current vaccines cover these (or future) strains. There is actually a train of thought amongst scientists (link below) that implementing the vaccine in the middle of this pandemic will actually encourage the evolution of more virulent strains in the same way inefficient use of antibiotics encourages bacterial "superbugs". It is likely that the vaccine will need to be taken annually like the flu shot.

So my thought experiment is this. Should Australias implementation of the vaccine take into account the anticipated (if known) timetable for international travel? To further explain what I mean I suggest that if the international gates were to be thrown open in 3 months it would make sense for all aussies to go and get the vax now, as is, but if its going to be another 3 years, wouldnt it make sense to wait and get an up to date vax in 2.5 years time with 2.5 years of development and virus revisions?

https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro

I'm off to get the Astra Zeneca injection tomorrow. If I die from it I'll be sure to put a post on the forum to let you know.

My rationale for getting the injection is that I don't believe that Australia has seen the last of this scourge. As they said in that show, "Winter is coming".

Hotel quarantine was a good first line response to the pandemic but hotels are not really adequate as a long term response. There have been a dozen or more outbreaks from hotel quarantine and there will be more.

The experience overseas indicates that the virus will spread more rapidly during the winter months and I suspect that might happen in Australia. Escape of the virus is almost a certainty, given that we have a paucity of purpose built quarantine facilities and most of the quarantine hotels are yet to adequately address aerosol flow (and may never do so).

Given my age and some underlying (not serious) health issues, I think that having the injection is a lower risk than not having it. If I was 40 years younger I might have a different view.

mate I got my astra jab through work. Made me feel rotten for about 3 days then I was fine. Headache sore joints and lethargy, then nothing.
Just an fyi from personal experience

Thanks mate.

I hope I can avoid that (side effects) I'm driving from Melbourne to Mildura on Thursday. The missus has already given me heaps for not delaying the injection until afterwards....Oh well!

My wife works in health and everyone who has had the astrazeneca vaccine has had the next day off with flu symptoms.

From what I've read that's more likely to happen to younger people because their immune systems are more robust.

I'm almost 70 but in my head I'm still only 21, so I'm not sure how that's going to work out. I guess I'm going to find out in the next 48 hours.

Thanks for the heads up.

Exactly what my wife just said

What about you almost being 70 lol

 

[innsaneink]

I recall a massive religious festival about a month ago in India where millions were gathering and bathing in the Ganges river... Remember thinking that wouldn't augur well,

There you go....

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I recall a massive religious festival about a month ago in India where millions were gathering and bathing in the Ganges river... Remember thinking that wouldn't augur well,

There you go....

It's not surpising, it's happened everywhere in the major hotspots. Pretty sure the US had spikes after Thanksgiving and Christmas. Europe & Brazil I think had spikes after Christmas.

Spain had a wave in October, not sure what that was for, I am pretty sure San Fermin was cancelled and not aware of any other major festivals or holidays that fall in August and September.

 

[jadtiger]

I recall a massive religious festival about a month ago in India where millions were gathering and bathing in the Ganges river... Remember thinking that wouldn't augur well,

There you go....

Also there have been political rallies encouraged by Modi because of elections.Reminds me of the departed moron in the USA.

 

[innsaneink]

Canada, NZ, Malaysia Taiwan Singapore & Kuwait have all banned flights from india

 

[Guest]

Got my first Pfizer shot today - hundreds of people lining up at RPAH. My arm is a little sore now and I've just popped a couple of panadol as I'm starting to feel a bit lethargic.