Coronavirus Outbreak

[tigertye]

New restrictions in place from 4pm this arvo

And here we go again.... ?

We have been playing Russian roulette with this virus for 18 months now this outcome doesn’t surprise me unfortunately

100% mate. Every time this rubbish starts up again I wind up fuming. I just find it absolutely mind-dumbing that we aren’t doing more in locking the entire country down from the outside until this is over.

I feel like a broken record. Give them a chance to get home via the miliatary or bulk flights, if they reject, they tough luck and best wishes. Until someone shows some balls, this virus will resurface for years to come.

I’m self-employed and have a partner and mortgage to pay. These idiots running the show have absolutely no idea. Their planning is completely reactive and will continue to be time and time again. The economy and unemployment will continue to go to the pits. People will continue to suffer, people will probably continue to die and it’s all because of return travellers.

We wouldn’t need a vaccine if we stopped the return travellers or pick the last of them up who want to return home and plant them on a purpose built facility/unused barracks, whatever, until they are clear.

We wouldn’t even need to talk about these sceptical “vaccines” that are still in trial stages and pushed through. We could afford to wait for a vaccine that’s proven to actually work and safe from any side affects, but no....open the doors Scomo. Put them in the CBD’s. What could go wrong.

We can't wait for a delayed vaccine rollout, we need it now, that would be economic disaster as all other countries reengage we will be sitting here isolated.

Despite their choices I believe all Australians should be able to return home at anytime.

We can definitely wait for a delayed rollout! The current options aren’t proven and have potentially dangerous side affects. They’re still in trials man! I won’t be going anywhere near them and I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

If the borders are closed there’s absolute minimal risk of the virus getting re-entry. Hence, we don’t necessarily need a rushed vaccine. We just don’t take people in until the pandemic is over. If the pandemics over, we don’t need a vaccine for something that no longer exists.

I think I’ve had the conversation with you previously about our differing opinions on allowing Australians home and I’ve said I respect and understand your view. I just think given fair notice and the opportunity to return home (albeit by military or bulk flights) gives them a chance. If they flat out refuse because it doesn’t suit their circumstances, then tough. We need a firm line approach on a virus that’s crippling our nation repeatedly. It’s dead set just going to keep popping up forever otherwise and the band-aid approach is great at minimising the severity, but it won’t ever solve it until literally every single traveller has returned. It’s as simple as that mate, the pollies and health deptartments are reactive, not proactive.

It might be a right for Australians to be able to return home, I agree, but it’s also my right and my families right to be safe. In my eyes, it’s actually incredibly selfish to not return “home”. If they’re given a chance to come back and don’t, they are putting every Australian in danger for the foreseeable future. That’s not Australian. Half of these return travellers aren’t even “full time” Aussies and only use their ticket to escape the shitstorm their country might going through at that given time and bringing it here. I know people who work in the airports and police who’ve had to deal with these situations and even they think it’s a disgrace.

This isn’t about turning an Aussie away, they’re welcome home. But if they turn their backs on us, we need to turn our backs on them for the good of the country.

Simply, the only proven solution to stop the spread is to close the borders. To minimise the chance of infection and to lock down.

We could be covid free in a matter of weeks with a hard line stance of complete international border closure. Or we could continue this band-aid fix and hopefully get lucky in a few years time.

Under your idea the borders will be closed for a decade mate, this virus will not be disappearing for a long long time, if ever. Under your proposal as soon as we reopen borders we will be flooded with the virus and would be the only country in the world in that situation and would be destroyed economically.

I do understand you argument about people should come back as soon as possible and have actually pushed that argument on here but on reflection that goes against what I believe my Australian citizenship and nationality means to me. Yes anyone that is overseas at this point for their own benefit that later decides to come home is selfish, I 100% agree with that. It is just to me that being Australian and having that right to return home is unconditional, it doesn't matter if you are selfish, or an asshole, it doesn't matter if you are in the wrong or haven't been here in a number of years, this place is home and it means something. You should always be welcome at home.

If it’s a decade then so be it. But it’s more likely to be ongoing in every country if they continue to allow return travellers back how they currently are. I could argue it could be decades with the latter and millions dead without a worldwide hard line effort and decisions.

I respect your values and opinion on being Australian. I wish it was a simple as saying you can come back whenever you feel like it. I’m just a bit over it all and want cut the PC bs out of it all and see us solve this thing. I do not think we ever will with these constant outbreaks and travellers returning to major cities around the nation. It’ll never work. We’re just copping another spell of it in NSW now and it’s our turn. It’ll be another states soon and the cycle will be never-ending until the government makes some tough decisions for the nation and stops pussy footing around. That’s my take anyway.

I wanna avoid the broken record speech, but it’s literally infuriating and scary. I really don’t want to lose anyone I care about because of some idiot who thought working overseas or something like that was more important to them at the time. My family and friends comes first and I’m so let down by what I’m seeing over and over again. We just don’t seem to learn and people will live or die because of these decisions.

Problem is it will never end, there is no way of eliminating this virus. It will get to a point where it is not as deadly through things like vaccinations and herd immunity overseas, but even if they get to that point overseas if we open our borders without some level of protection then you will be introducing a novel virus to our community. By closing us off while the rest of the world reopen you would cause terrible economic damage they we may never recover from.

Nah, it'll end. It’ll take a few years to get a proper vaccine without side affects though. A few people on here have even brought up alternatives already available which I found interesting.

In my eyes it’s either close the gates and open them up when the world sorts themselves out too vs. keep them open, let this thing mutate over and over and hopefully it just vanishes like the Spanish flu did or maybe, just maybe these vaccines save everyone, which we know it currently doesn’t. In the meantime, bunch of people will get sick or die with these government patch jobs.

To me, if feels like a lot of Australians are living in a lah lah land reality with these return travellers. What’s the old saying "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

The Spanish Flu didn't disappear, a natural immunity was created after it swept the world. It has since mutated through antigenic drift and its descendants are the season flu variants we have today. so after 100 years we still have mutations of the Spanish Flu causing illness and death.

Yes, technically you’re correct. It’s mutated over many years but it’s not the same extent of virus that wiped out 50 million people within several years. The variants have always remained, but the initial impact is what wiped so many out. Similar to what we’re facing now in some ways. If Australia limits the virus completely along with the variants of Covid coming in we’re better off.

 

[Cairnstigers]

AstraZeneca vaccine to be discontinued after October 2021. All over 60s are expected to be vaccinated by end October 2021.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-likely-won-t-use-astrazeneca-after-october-except-by-request-20210623-p583n6.html

So how much money did scomo waste on this snake oil ?


I notice Scammo didnt have the AZ vaccine.

Neither did that stupid cow from Queensland


Which one,there a few up there who qualify for that title?

Palaszsuck

Are you serious??

Gee, we've moved a long way in acknowleding successful women leaders, haven't we @hobbo1 ?

It might not suit your befuddled understanding of the world, but she recently led Labor to another election win in QLD. Like it or loathe it, she did.

But, apparently, in the enlightened and intelligent world of @hobbo1, she's a cow.

Seriously?? Disgraceful.

She’s a disgrace ..
She only interested in her own backyard..
As I said she’s a stupid cow !
Typical labour

I don't care what you said. It's a disgraceful comment in this day and age. But, hey, maybe you're from the age of women being subservient (yes, I know that word's probably beyond your intellect) to the entited male leaders of the world. Guess what @hobbo1 the times have changed and you're now irrelevant.

And, FFS, it's Labor not labour.

Don't bother replying. It's pitiful.

You obviously care deeply what I said otherwise you wouldn’t have got your panties all bunched..
She’s a stupid cow and she’s ruining her own economy and the livelihoods of millions of people and the same goes for the Victards down south!

PC brigade that way ➡️

I think a few people on here are effected by what is happening with covid and its effects
It is not the politicians fault that this virus is here in this country
This is a world wide problem and we all have to live with it now
Laying the blame on a select few for this virus rearing it's head is wrong in my opinion
Australia is in one of the best positions in the world when it comes to containing this virus
Apart from the Diamond Princess debacle and Victoria's policies early on, all Australian states and decision makers have done well handling this virus
Don't underestimate how contagious this virus is as now you can walk past someone for a split second and catch it
Look what is happening around the world
Be thankful we all live in Australia away from the rest of the world
Name calling of politicians because of the decisions they make to protect the people they represent is really not warranted
Imagine if they all behaved like Jair Bolsonaro
President of Brazil
Have we all seen what his country men and women are going through
I for one am thankful of the decisions the QLD government makes in regards to our boarders closing. They are protecting Qld peoples lives as best they can and that's what I / most of us expect and want
If it spreads up here then everything shuts and jobs go and no one wins

At the moment the jobless rate in this country is lower then pre pandemic so they must all be doing something right.
I am lucky up here in Cairns as we move around freely and the only thing that has changed for us is we need to register when we dine in to eat somewhere
It's a small price to pay and we are lucky
Our caravan parks are mostly full of southerners and house sales have sky-rocketed as many southerners are buying up here and moving in
Home building up here and around the country for that matter is unprecedented
Shortages in building materials because of demand and experienced staff shortages points towards economic recovery
Sure there are segments that will struggle but there are segments that will thrive
If we all do our bit and support small business then most of us will be ok

One last thing
Defeating this virus or keeping it under control so we can all live as normal lives as possible is the responsibility of all of us

Sorry mate, I’ve gotta call a spade a spade here regarding the housing market and employment rates.

I worked in employment services for years. It’s some of the most fudged numbers you’d ever see for starters.

You’re looking at a false economy that the pollies are selling to the public. The housing market is being boosted by the Chinese buying everything dirt cheap and inflating the market. Just like they did with our roads, electricity, etc. They’re richer then ever because of this pandemic, don’t be fooled!

Go to an auction in Sydney mate, see how many buyers speak English these days. The Australian dream is borderline dead because of foreign investment, hence why your probably seeing a boom of southerners escaping the ridiculous urban development on bite sized blocks for $700k+

300,000 Australians have moved back to Australia from overseas
That is what is driving the market at the moment
They move back into their own homes kicking out the tenants or are building new homes to live in
The tenants in turn need to find alternative accommodation or build themselves
That is having much more effect then foreign investment
The tightening of the Sydney and Melbourne markets has been good in ways for regional areas
I can't understand why people pay exorbitant prices to live in a smoke filled city that takes in some cases up to two hours to get to work
Prices in regional areas are far cheaper and you can buy a brand new home for around $500'000
It takes me 22 minutes to travel to work in the city outskirts from the Northern beaches
The way many people work from home now, it's the way of the future

 

[mike]

AstraZeneca vaccine to be discontinued after October 2021. All over 60s are expected to be vaccinated by end October 2021.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-likely-won-t-use-astrazeneca-after-october-except-by-request-20210623-p583n6.html

So how much money did scomo waste on this snake oil ?


I notice Scammo didnt have the AZ vaccine.

Neither did that stupid cow from Queensland


Which one,there a few up there who qualify for that title?

Palaszsuck

Are you serious??

Gee, we've moved a long way in acknowleding successful women leaders, haven't we @hobbo1 ?

It might not suit your befuddled understanding of the world, but she recently led Labor to another election win in QLD. Like it or loathe it, she did.

But, apparently, in the enlightened and intelligent world of @hobbo1, she's a cow.

Seriously?? Disgraceful.

She’s a disgrace ..
She only interested in her own backyard..
As I said she’s a stupid cow !
Typical labour

I don't care what you said. It's a disgraceful comment in this day and age. But, hey, maybe you're from the age of women being subservient (yes, I know that word's probably beyond your intellect) to the entited male leaders of the world. Guess what @hobbo1 the times have changed and you're now irrelevant.

And, FFS, it's Labor not labour.

Don't bother replying. It's pitiful.

You obviously care deeply what I said otherwise you wouldn’t have got your panties all bunched..
She’s a stupid cow and she’s ruining her own economy and the livelihoods of millions of people and the same goes for the Victards down south!

PC brigade that way ➡️

I think a few people on here are effected by what is happening with covid and its effects
It is not the politicians fault that this virus is here in this country
This is a world wide problem and we all have to live with it now
Laying the blame on a select few for this virus rearing it's head is wrong in my opinion
Australia is in one of the best positions in the world when it comes to containing this virus
Apart from the Diamond Princess debacle and Victoria's policies early on, all Australian states and decision makers have done well handling this virus
Don't underestimate how contagious this virus is as now you can walk past someone for a split second and catch it
Look what is happening around the world
Be thankful we all live in Australia away from the rest of the world
Name calling of politicians because of the decisions they make to protect the people they represent is really not warranted
Imagine if they all behaved like Jair Bolsonaro
President of Brazil
Have we all seen what his country men and women are going through
I for one am thankful of the decisions the QLD government makes in regards to our boarders closing. They are protecting Qld peoples lives as best they can and that's what I / most of us expect and want
If it spreads up here then everything shuts and jobs go and no one wins

**At the moment the jobless rate in this country is lower then pre pandemic so they must all be doing something right.**
I am lucky up here in Cairns as we move around freely and the only thing that has changed for us is we need to register when we dine in to eat somewhere
It's a small price to pay and we are lucky
Our caravan parks are mostly full of southerners and house sales have sky-rocketed as many southerners are buying up here and moving in
Home building up here and around the country for that matter is unprecedented
Shortages in building materials because of demand and experienced staff shortages points towards economic recovery
Sure there are segments that will struggle but there are segments that will thrive
If we all do our bit and support small business then most of us will be ok

One last thing
Defeating this virus or keeping it under control so we can all live as normal lives as possible is the responsibility of all of us

Nah, they are just getting as many as they can off JobSearch so they don’t have to count them. Unemployment is way higher than the official figures. Remember you only have to work for an hour a week to be classed as employed.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Gladyss >>>> Palates anyday 😁😅

 

[Spud_Murphy]

New restrictions in place from 4pm this arvo

And here we go again.... ?

We have been playing Russian roulette with this virus for 18 months now this outcome doesn’t surprise me unfortunately

100% mate. Every time this rubbish starts up again I wind up fuming. I just find it absolutely mind-dumbing that we aren’t doing more in locking the entire country down from the outside until this is over.

I feel like a broken record. Give them a chance to get home via the miliatary or bulk flights, if they reject, they tough luck and best wishes. Until someone shows some balls, this virus will resurface for years to come.

I’m self-employed and have a partner and mortgage to pay. These idiots running the show have absolutely no idea. Their planning is completely reactive and will continue to be time and time again. The economy and unemployment will continue to go to the pits. People will continue to suffer, people will probably continue to die and it’s all because of return travellers.

We wouldn’t need a vaccine if we stopped the return travellers or pick the last of them up who want to return home and plant them on a purpose built facility/unused barracks, whatever, until they are clear.

We wouldn’t even need to talk about these sceptical “vaccines” that are still in trial stages and pushed through. We could afford to wait for a vaccine that’s proven to actually work and safe from any side affects, but no....open the doors Scomo. Put them in the CBD’s. What could go wrong.

We can't wait for a delayed vaccine rollout, we need it now, that would be economic disaster as all other countries reengage we will be sitting here isolated.

Despite their choices I believe all Australians should be able to return home at anytime.

We can definitely wait for a delayed rollout! The current options aren’t proven and have potentially dangerous side affects. They’re still in trials man! I won’t be going anywhere near them and I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

If the borders are closed there’s absolute minimal risk of the virus getting re-entry. Hence, we don’t necessarily need a rushed vaccine. We just don’t take people in until the pandemic is over. If the pandemics over, we don’t need a vaccine for something that no longer exists.

I think I’ve had the conversation with you previously about our differing opinions on allowing Australians home and I’ve said I respect and understand your view. I just think given fair notice and the opportunity to return home (albeit by military or bulk flights) gives them a chance. If they flat out refuse because it doesn’t suit their circumstances, then tough. We need a firm line approach on a virus that’s crippling our nation repeatedly. It’s dead set just going to keep popping up forever otherwise and the band-aid approach is great at minimising the severity, but it won’t ever solve it until literally every single traveller has returned. It’s as simple as that mate, the pollies and health deptartments are reactive, not proactive.

It might be a right for Australians to be able to return home, I agree, but it’s also my right and my families right to be safe. In my eyes, it’s actually incredibly selfish to not return “home”. If they’re given a chance to come back and don’t, they are putting every Australian in danger for the foreseeable future. That’s not Australian. Half of these return travellers aren’t even “full time” Aussies and only use their ticket to escape the shitstorm their country might going through at that given time and bringing it here. I know people who work in the airports and police who’ve had to deal with these situations and even they think it’s a disgrace.

This isn’t about turning an Aussie away, they’re welcome home. But if they turn their backs on us, we need to turn our backs on them for the good of the country.

Simply, the only proven solution to stop the spread is to close the borders. To minimise the chance of infection and to lock down.

We could be covid free in a matter of weeks with a hard line stance of complete international border closure. Or we could continue this band-aid fix and hopefully get lucky in a few years time.

Under your idea the borders will be closed for a decade mate, this virus will not be disappearing for a long long time, if ever. Under your proposal as soon as we reopen borders we will be flooded with the virus and would be the only country in the world in that situation and would be destroyed economically.

I do understand you argument about people should come back as soon as possible and have actually pushed that argument on here but on reflection that goes against what I believe my Australian citizenship and nationality means to me. Yes anyone that is overseas at this point for their own benefit that later decides to come home is selfish, I 100% agree with that. It is just to me that being Australian and having that right to return home is unconditional, it doesn't matter if you are selfish, or an asshole, it doesn't matter if you are in the wrong or haven't been here in a number of years, this place is home and it means something. You should always be welcome at home.

If it’s a decade then so be it. But it’s more likely to be ongoing in every country if they continue to allow return travellers back how they currently are. I could argue it could be decades with the latter and millions dead without a worldwide hard line effort and decisions.

I respect your values and opinion on being Australian. I wish it was a simple as saying you can come back whenever you feel like it. I’m just a bit over it all and want cut the PC bs out of it all and see us solve this thing. I do not think we ever will with these constant outbreaks and travellers returning to major cities around the nation. It’ll never work. We’re just copping another spell of it in NSW now and it’s our turn. It’ll be another states soon and the cycle will be never-ending until the government makes some tough decisions for the nation and stops pussy footing around. That’s my take anyway.

I wanna avoid the broken record speech, but it’s literally infuriating and scary. I really don’t want to lose anyone I care about because of some idiot who thought working overseas or something like that was more important to them at the time. My family and friends comes first and I’m so let down by what I’m seeing over and over again. We just don’t seem to learn and people will live or die because of these decisions.

Problem is it will never end, there is no way of eliminating this virus. It will get to a point where it is not as deadly through things like vaccinations and herd immunity overseas, but even if they get to that point overseas if we open our borders without some level of protection then you will be introducing a novel virus to our community. By closing us off while the rest of the world reopen you would cause terrible economic damage they we may never recover from.

Of course it will end, it’s not like this is the first time the world has had a rampant virus, check the history books. This one is small fry compared to the Spanish flu, Black Plague and others, there’s just more media beat up around it and it’s causing irrational fear and panic.

 

[TillLindemann]

Sure, China hid a lot of what was happening, but they had hospitals built in a couple of weeks, whilst our federal government is still quibbling over even just sorting out plans for what will still likely be state run suitable quarantine facilities 18 bloody months on.

I said this at the start of this whole event. People criticise China and rightly so but they are going to act so much quicker and tougher in certain ways.

They just get stuff done and stuff the people.

Yes brutal totalitarian one-party states that don't tolerate any dissent and run concentration camps do 'get things done' I suppose.

 

[cochise]

New restrictions in place from 4pm this arvo

And here we go again.... ?

We have been playing Russian roulette with this virus for 18 months now this outcome doesn’t surprise me unfortunately

100% mate. Every time this rubbish starts up again I wind up fuming. I just find it absolutely mind-dumbing that we aren’t doing more in locking the entire country down from the outside until this is over.

I feel like a broken record. Give them a chance to get home via the miliatary or bulk flights, if they reject, they tough luck and best wishes. Until someone shows some balls, this virus will resurface for years to come.

I’m self-employed and have a partner and mortgage to pay. These idiots running the show have absolutely no idea. Their planning is completely reactive and will continue to be time and time again. The economy and unemployment will continue to go to the pits. People will continue to suffer, people will probably continue to die and it’s all because of return travellers.

We wouldn’t need a vaccine if we stopped the return travellers or pick the last of them up who want to return home and plant them on a purpose built facility/unused barracks, whatever, until they are clear.

We wouldn’t even need to talk about these sceptical “vaccines” that are still in trial stages and pushed through. We could afford to wait for a vaccine that’s proven to actually work and safe from any side affects, but no....open the doors Scomo. Put them in the CBD’s. What could go wrong.

We can't wait for a delayed vaccine rollout, we need it now, that would be economic disaster as all other countries reengage we will be sitting here isolated.

Despite their choices I believe all Australians should be able to return home at anytime.

We can definitely wait for a delayed rollout! The current options aren’t proven and have potentially dangerous side affects. They’re still in trials man! I won’t be going anywhere near them and I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

If the borders are closed there’s absolute minimal risk of the virus getting re-entry. Hence, we don’t necessarily need a rushed vaccine. We just don’t take people in until the pandemic is over. If the pandemics over, we don’t need a vaccine for something that no longer exists.

I think I’ve had the conversation with you previously about our differing opinions on allowing Australians home and I’ve said I respect and understand your view. I just think given fair notice and the opportunity to return home (albeit by military or bulk flights) gives them a chance. If they flat out refuse because it doesn’t suit their circumstances, then tough. We need a firm line approach on a virus that’s crippling our nation repeatedly. It’s dead set just going to keep popping up forever otherwise and the band-aid approach is great at minimising the severity, but it won’t ever solve it until literally every single traveller has returned. It’s as simple as that mate, the pollies and health deptartments are reactive, not proactive.

It might be a right for Australians to be able to return home, I agree, but it’s also my right and my families right to be safe. In my eyes, it’s actually incredibly selfish to not return “home”. If they’re given a chance to come back and don’t, they are putting every Australian in danger for the foreseeable future. That’s not Australian. Half of these return travellers aren’t even “full time” Aussies and only use their ticket to escape the shitstorm their country might going through at that given time and bringing it here. I know people who work in the airports and police who’ve had to deal with these situations and even they think it’s a disgrace.

This isn’t about turning an Aussie away, they’re welcome home. But if they turn their backs on us, we need to turn our backs on them for the good of the country.

Simply, the only proven solution to stop the spread is to close the borders. To minimise the chance of infection and to lock down.

We could be covid free in a matter of weeks with a hard line stance of complete international border closure. Or we could continue this band-aid fix and hopefully get lucky in a few years time.

Under your idea the borders will be closed for a decade mate, this virus will not be disappearing for a long long time, if ever. Under your proposal as soon as we reopen borders we will be flooded with the virus and would be the only country in the world in that situation and would be destroyed economically.

I do understand you argument about people should come back as soon as possible and have actually pushed that argument on here but on reflection that goes against what I believe my Australian citizenship and nationality means to me. Yes anyone that is overseas at this point for their own benefit that later decides to come home is selfish, I 100% agree with that. It is just to me that being Australian and having that right to return home is unconditional, it doesn't matter if you are selfish, or an asshole, it doesn't matter if you are in the wrong or haven't been here in a number of years, this place is home and it means something. You should always be welcome at home.

If it’s a decade then so be it. But it’s more likely to be ongoing in every country if they continue to allow return travellers back how they currently are. I could argue it could be decades with the latter and millions dead without a worldwide hard line effort and decisions.

I respect your values and opinion on being Australian. I wish it was a simple as saying you can come back whenever you feel like it. I’m just a bit over it all and want cut the PC bs out of it all and see us solve this thing. I do not think we ever will with these constant outbreaks and travellers returning to major cities around the nation. It’ll never work. We’re just copping another spell of it in NSW now and it’s our turn. It’ll be another states soon and the cycle will be never-ending until the government makes some tough decisions for the nation and stops pussy footing around. That’s my take anyway.

I wanna avoid the broken record speech, but it’s literally infuriating and scary. I really don’t want to lose anyone I care about because of some idiot who thought working overseas or something like that was more important to them at the time. My family and friends comes first and I’m so let down by what I’m seeing over and over again. We just don’t seem to learn and people will live or die because of these decisions.

Problem is it will never end, there is no way of eliminating this virus. It will get to a point where it is not as deadly through things like vaccinations and herd immunity overseas, but even if they get to that point overseas if we open our borders without some level of protection then you will be introducing a novel virus to our community. By closing us off while the rest of the world reopen you would cause terrible economic damage they we may never recover from.

Nah, it'll end. It’ll take a few years to get a proper vaccine without side affects though. A few people on here have even brought up alternatives already available which I found interesting.

In my eyes it’s either close the gates and open them up when the world sorts themselves out too vs. keep them open, let this thing mutate over and over and hopefully it just vanishes like the Spanish flu did or maybe, just maybe these vaccines save everyone, which we know it currently doesn’t. In the meantime, bunch of people will get sick or die with these government patch jobs.

To me, if feels like a lot of Australians are living in a lah lah land reality with these return travellers. What’s the old saying "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

The Spanish Flu didn't disappear, a natural immunity was created after it swept the world. It has since mutated through antigenic drift and its descendants are the season flu variants we have today. so after 100 years we still have mutations of the Spanish Flu causing illness and death.

Yes, technically you’re correct. It’s mutated over many years but it’s not the same extent of virus that wiped out 50 million people within several years. The variants have always remained, but the initial impact is what wiped so many out. Similar to what we’re facing now in some ways. If Australia limits the virus completely along with the variants of Covid coming in we’re better off.

So close the borders for 100 plus years?

 

[cochise]

New restrictions in place from 4pm this arvo

And here we go again.... ?

We have been playing Russian roulette with this virus for 18 months now this outcome doesn’t surprise me unfortunately

100% mate. Every time this rubbish starts up again I wind up fuming. I just find it absolutely mind-dumbing that we aren’t doing more in locking the entire country down from the outside until this is over.

I feel like a broken record. Give them a chance to get home via the miliatary or bulk flights, if they reject, they tough luck and best wishes. Until someone shows some balls, this virus will resurface for years to come.

I’m self-employed and have a partner and mortgage to pay. These idiots running the show have absolutely no idea. Their planning is completely reactive and will continue to be time and time again. The economy and unemployment will continue to go to the pits. People will continue to suffer, people will probably continue to die and it’s all because of return travellers.

We wouldn’t need a vaccine if we stopped the return travellers or pick the last of them up who want to return home and plant them on a purpose built facility/unused barracks, whatever, until they are clear.

We wouldn’t even need to talk about these sceptical “vaccines” that are still in trial stages and pushed through. We could afford to wait for a vaccine that’s proven to actually work and safe from any side affects, but no....open the doors Scomo. Put them in the CBD’s. What could go wrong.

We can't wait for a delayed vaccine rollout, we need it now, that would be economic disaster as all other countries reengage we will be sitting here isolated.

Despite their choices I believe all Australians should be able to return home at anytime.

We can definitely wait for a delayed rollout! The current options aren’t proven and have potentially dangerous side affects. They’re still in trials man! I won’t be going anywhere near them and I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

If the borders are closed there’s absolute minimal risk of the virus getting re-entry. Hence, we don’t necessarily need a rushed vaccine. We just don’t take people in until the pandemic is over. If the pandemics over, we don’t need a vaccine for something that no longer exists.

I think I’ve had the conversation with you previously about our differing opinions on allowing Australians home and I’ve said I respect and understand your view. I just think given fair notice and the opportunity to return home (albeit by military or bulk flights) gives them a chance. If they flat out refuse because it doesn’t suit their circumstances, then tough. We need a firm line approach on a virus that’s crippling our nation repeatedly. It’s dead set just going to keep popping up forever otherwise and the band-aid approach is great at minimising the severity, but it won’t ever solve it until literally every single traveller has returned. It’s as simple as that mate, the pollies and health deptartments are reactive, not proactive.

It might be a right for Australians to be able to return home, I agree, but it’s also my right and my families right to be safe. In my eyes, it’s actually incredibly selfish to not return “home”. If they’re given a chance to come back and don’t, they are putting every Australian in danger for the foreseeable future. That’s not Australian. Half of these return travellers aren’t even “full time” Aussies and only use their ticket to escape the shitstorm their country might going through at that given time and bringing it here. I know people who work in the airports and police who’ve had to deal with these situations and even they think it’s a disgrace.

This isn’t about turning an Aussie away, they’re welcome home. But if they turn their backs on us, we need to turn our backs on them for the good of the country.

Simply, the only proven solution to stop the spread is to close the borders. To minimise the chance of infection and to lock down.

We could be covid free in a matter of weeks with a hard line stance of complete international border closure. Or we could continue this band-aid fix and hopefully get lucky in a few years time.

Under your idea the borders will be closed for a decade mate, this virus will not be disappearing for a long long time, if ever. Under your proposal as soon as we reopen borders we will be flooded with the virus and would be the only country in the world in that situation and would be destroyed economically.

I do understand you argument about people should come back as soon as possible and have actually pushed that argument on here but on reflection that goes against what I believe my Australian citizenship and nationality means to me. Yes anyone that is overseas at this point for their own benefit that later decides to come home is selfish, I 100% agree with that. It is just to me that being Australian and having that right to return home is unconditional, it doesn't matter if you are selfish, or an asshole, it doesn't matter if you are in the wrong or haven't been here in a number of years, this place is home and it means something. You should always be welcome at home.

If it’s a decade then so be it. But it’s more likely to be ongoing in every country if they continue to allow return travellers back how they currently are. I could argue it could be decades with the latter and millions dead without a worldwide hard line effort and decisions.

I respect your values and opinion on being Australian. I wish it was a simple as saying you can come back whenever you feel like it. I’m just a bit over it all and want cut the PC bs out of it all and see us solve this thing. I do not think we ever will with these constant outbreaks and travellers returning to major cities around the nation. It’ll never work. We’re just copping another spell of it in NSW now and it’s our turn. It’ll be another states soon and the cycle will be never-ending until the government makes some tough decisions for the nation and stops pussy footing around. That’s my take anyway.

I wanna avoid the broken record speech, but it’s literally infuriating and scary. I really don’t want to lose anyone I care about because of some idiot who thought working overseas or something like that was more important to them at the time. My family and friends comes first and I’m so let down by what I’m seeing over and over again. We just don’t seem to learn and people will live or die because of these decisions.

Problem is it will never end, there is no way of eliminating this virus. It will get to a point where it is not as deadly through things like vaccinations and herd immunity overseas, but even if they get to that point overseas if we open our borders without some level of protection then you will be introducing a novel virus to our community. By closing us off while the rest of the world reopen you would cause terrible economic damage they we may never recover from.

Of course it will end, it’s not like this is the first time the world has had a rampant virus, check the history books. This one is small fry compared to the Spanish flu, Black Plague and others, there’s just more media beat up around it and it’s causing irrational fear and panic.

Problem is closing your borders and waiting it out isn't a solution.

 

[diedpretty]

I'm heading out to buy toilet paper!!!

 

[TillLindemann]

New restrictions in place from 4pm this arvo

And here we go again.... ?

We have been playing Russian roulette with this virus for 18 months now this outcome doesn’t surprise me unfortunately

100% mate. Every time this rubbish starts up again I wind up fuming. I just find it absolutely mind-dumbing that we aren’t doing more in locking the entire country down from the outside until this is over.

I feel like a broken record. Give them a chance to get home via the miliatary or bulk flights, if they reject, they tough luck and best wishes. Until someone shows some balls, this virus will resurface for years to come.

I’m self-employed and have a partner and mortgage to pay. These idiots running the show have absolutely no idea. Their planning is completely reactive and will continue to be time and time again. The economy and unemployment will continue to go to the pits. People will continue to suffer, people will probably continue to die and it’s all because of return travellers.

We wouldn’t need a vaccine if we stopped the return travellers or pick the last of them up who want to return home and plant them on a purpose built facility/unused barracks, whatever, until they are clear.

We wouldn’t even need to talk about these sceptical “vaccines” that are still in trial stages and pushed through. We could afford to wait for a vaccine that’s proven to actually work and safe from any side affects, but no....open the doors Scomo. Put them in the CBD’s. What could go wrong.

We can't wait for a delayed vaccine rollout, we need it now, that would be economic disaster as all other countries reengage we will be sitting here isolated.

Despite their choices I believe all Australians should be able to return home at anytime.

We can definitely wait for a delayed rollout! The current options aren’t proven and have potentially dangerous side affects. They’re still in trials man! I won’t be going anywhere near them and I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

If the borders are closed there’s absolute minimal risk of the virus getting re-entry. Hence, we don’t necessarily need a rushed vaccine. We just don’t take people in until the pandemic is over. If the pandemics over, we don’t need a vaccine for something that no longer exists.

I think I’ve had the conversation with you previously about our differing opinions on allowing Australians home and I’ve said I respect and understand your view. I just think given fair notice and the opportunity to return home (albeit by military or bulk flights) gives them a chance. If they flat out refuse because it doesn’t suit their circumstances, then tough. We need a firm line approach on a virus that’s crippling our nation repeatedly. It’s dead set just going to keep popping up forever otherwise and the band-aid approach is great at minimising the severity, but it won’t ever solve it until literally every single traveller has returned. It’s as simple as that mate, the pollies and health deptartments are reactive, not proactive.

It might be a right for Australians to be able to return home, I agree, but it’s also my right and my families right to be safe. In my eyes, it’s actually incredibly selfish to not return “home”. If they’re given a chance to come back and don’t, they are putting every Australian in danger for the foreseeable future. That’s not Australian. Half of these return travellers aren’t even “full time” Aussies and only use their ticket to escape the shitstorm their country might going through at that given time and bringing it here. I know people who work in the airports and police who’ve had to deal with these situations and even they think it’s a disgrace.

This isn’t about turning an Aussie away, they’re welcome home. But if they turn their backs on us, we need to turn our backs on them for the good of the country.

Simply, the only proven solution to stop the spread is to close the borders. To minimise the chance of infection and to lock down.

We could be covid free in a matter of weeks with a hard line stance of complete international border closure. Or we could continue this band-aid fix and hopefully get lucky in a few years time.

Under your idea the borders will be closed for a decade mate, this virus will not be disappearing for a long long time, if ever. Under your proposal as soon as we reopen borders we will be flooded with the virus and would be the only country in the world in that situation and would be destroyed economically.

I do understand you argument about people should come back as soon as possible and have actually pushed that argument on here but on reflection that goes against what I believe my Australian citizenship and nationality means to me. Yes anyone that is overseas at this point for their own benefit that later decides to come home is selfish, I 100% agree with that. It is just to me that being Australian and having that right to return home is unconditional, it doesn't matter if you are selfish, or an asshole, it doesn't matter if you are in the wrong or haven't been here in a number of years, this place is home and it means something. You should always be welcome at home.

If it’s a decade then so be it. But it’s more likely to be ongoing in every country if they continue to allow return travellers back how they currently are. I could argue it could be decades with the latter and millions dead without a worldwide hard line effort and decisions.

I respect your values and opinion on being Australian. I wish it was a simple as saying you can come back whenever you feel like it. I’m just a bit over it all and want cut the PC bs out of it all and see us solve this thing. I do not think we ever will with these constant outbreaks and travellers returning to major cities around the nation. It’ll never work. We’re just copping another spell of it in NSW now and it’s our turn. It’ll be another states soon and the cycle will be never-ending until the government makes some tough decisions for the nation and stops pussy footing around. That’s my take anyway.

I wanna avoid the broken record speech, but it’s literally infuriating and scary. I really don’t want to lose anyone I care about because of some idiot who thought working overseas or something like that was more important to them at the time. My family and friends comes first and I’m so let down by what I’m seeing over and over again. We just don’t seem to learn and people will live or die because of these decisions.

Problem is it will never end, there is no way of eliminating this virus. It will get to a point where it is not as deadly through things like vaccinations and herd immunity overseas, but even if they get to that point overseas if we open our borders without some level of protection then you will be introducing a novel virus to our community. By closing us off while the rest of the world reopen you would cause terrible economic damage they we may never recover from.

Of course it will end, it’s not like this is the first time the world has had a rampant virus, check the history books. This one is small fry compared to the Spanish flu, Black Plague and others, there’s just more media beat up around it and it’s causing irrational fear and panic.

Problem is closing your borders and waiting it out isn't a solution.

I think hard international borders now, with an accelerated vaccine program, means a return to normal sooner rather than later. You do make a good case though @cochise and I'm not as certain as I probably sound.

 

[cochise]

New restrictions in place from 4pm this arvo

And here we go again.... ?

We have been playing Russian roulette with this virus for 18 months now this outcome doesn’t surprise me unfortunately

100% mate. Every time this rubbish starts up again I wind up fuming. I just find it absolutely mind-dumbing that we aren’t doing more in locking the entire country down from the outside until this is over.

I feel like a broken record. Give them a chance to get home via the miliatary or bulk flights, if they reject, they tough luck and best wishes. Until someone shows some balls, this virus will resurface for years to come.

I’m self-employed and have a partner and mortgage to pay. These idiots running the show have absolutely no idea. Their planning is completely reactive and will continue to be time and time again. The economy and unemployment will continue to go to the pits. People will continue to suffer, people will probably continue to die and it’s all because of return travellers.

We wouldn’t need a vaccine if we stopped the return travellers or pick the last of them up who want to return home and plant them on a purpose built facility/unused barracks, whatever, until they are clear.

We wouldn’t even need to talk about these sceptical “vaccines” that are still in trial stages and pushed through. We could afford to wait for a vaccine that’s proven to actually work and safe from any side affects, but no....open the doors Scomo. Put them in the CBD’s. What could go wrong.

We can't wait for a delayed vaccine rollout, we need it now, that would be economic disaster as all other countries reengage we will be sitting here isolated.

Despite their choices I believe all Australians should be able to return home at anytime.

We can definitely wait for a delayed rollout! The current options aren’t proven and have potentially dangerous side affects. They’re still in trials man! I won’t be going anywhere near them and I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

If the borders are closed there’s absolute minimal risk of the virus getting re-entry. Hence, we don’t necessarily need a rushed vaccine. We just don’t take people in until the pandemic is over. If the pandemics over, we don’t need a vaccine for something that no longer exists.

I think I’ve had the conversation with you previously about our differing opinions on allowing Australians home and I’ve said I respect and understand your view. I just think given fair notice and the opportunity to return home (albeit by military or bulk flights) gives them a chance. If they flat out refuse because it doesn’t suit their circumstances, then tough. We need a firm line approach on a virus that’s crippling our nation repeatedly. It’s dead set just going to keep popping up forever otherwise and the band-aid approach is great at minimising the severity, but it won’t ever solve it until literally every single traveller has returned. It’s as simple as that mate, the pollies and health deptartments are reactive, not proactive.

It might be a right for Australians to be able to return home, I agree, but it’s also my right and my families right to be safe. In my eyes, it’s actually incredibly selfish to not return “home”. If they’re given a chance to come back and don’t, they are putting every Australian in danger for the foreseeable future. That’s not Australian. Half of these return travellers aren’t even “full time” Aussies and only use their ticket to escape the shitstorm their country might going through at that given time and bringing it here. I know people who work in the airports and police who’ve had to deal with these situations and even they think it’s a disgrace.

This isn’t about turning an Aussie away, they’re welcome home. But if they turn their backs on us, we need to turn our backs on them for the good of the country.

Simply, the only proven solution to stop the spread is to close the borders. To minimise the chance of infection and to lock down.

We could be covid free in a matter of weeks with a hard line stance of complete international border closure. Or we could continue this band-aid fix and hopefully get lucky in a few years time.

Under your idea the borders will be closed for a decade mate, this virus will not be disappearing for a long long time, if ever. Under your proposal as soon as we reopen borders we will be flooded with the virus and would be the only country in the world in that situation and would be destroyed economically.

I do understand you argument about people should come back as soon as possible and have actually pushed that argument on here but on reflection that goes against what I believe my Australian citizenship and nationality means to me. Yes anyone that is overseas at this point for their own benefit that later decides to come home is selfish, I 100% agree with that. It is just to me that being Australian and having that right to return home is unconditional, it doesn't matter if you are selfish, or an asshole, it doesn't matter if you are in the wrong or haven't been here in a number of years, this place is home and it means something. You should always be welcome at home.

If it’s a decade then so be it. But it’s more likely to be ongoing in every country if they continue to allow return travellers back how they currently are. I could argue it could be decades with the latter and millions dead without a worldwide hard line effort and decisions.

I respect your values and opinion on being Australian. I wish it was a simple as saying you can come back whenever you feel like it. I’m just a bit over it all and want cut the PC bs out of it all and see us solve this thing. I do not think we ever will with these constant outbreaks and travellers returning to major cities around the nation. It’ll never work. We’re just copping another spell of it in NSW now and it’s our turn. It’ll be another states soon and the cycle will be never-ending until the government makes some tough decisions for the nation and stops pussy footing around. That’s my take anyway.

I wanna avoid the broken record speech, but it’s literally infuriating and scary. I really don’t want to lose anyone I care about because of some idiot who thought working overseas or something like that was more important to them at the time. My family and friends comes first and I’m so let down by what I’m seeing over and over again. We just don’t seem to learn and people will live or die because of these decisions.

Problem is it will never end, there is no way of eliminating this virus. It will get to a point where it is not as deadly through things like vaccinations and herd immunity overseas, but even if they get to that point overseas if we open our borders without some level of protection then you will be introducing a novel virus to our community. By closing us off while the rest of the world reopen you would cause terrible economic damage they we may never recover from.

Of course it will end, it’s not like this is the first time the world has had a rampant virus, check the history books. This one is small fry compared to the Spanish flu, Black Plague and others, there’s just more media beat up around it and it’s causing irrational fear and panic.

Problem is closing your borders and waiting it out isn't a solution.

I think hard international borders now, with an accelerated vaccine program, means a return to normal sooner rather than later. You do make a good case though @cochise and I'm not as certain as I probably sound.

Yeah mate, a vaccine program is the best way to get us reopened in my opinion, they may be through the use of a vaccine or some alternative that has preventative properties.

I'm not a fan of closing Australians out as I have already explained.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Sure, China hid a lot of what was happening, but they had hospitals built in a couple of weeks, whilst our federal government is still quibbling over even just sorting out plans for what will still likely be state run suitable quarantine facilities 18 bloody months on.

I said this at the start of this whole event. People criticise China and rightly so but they are going to act so much quicker and tougher in certain ways.

They just get stuff done and stuff the people.

Yes brutal totalitarian one-party states that don't tolerate any dissent and run concentration camps do 'get things done' I suppose.

Contrary to what many think, most Chinese are pretty happy with their government, irrespective of their draconian behaviour. They have lifted over half a billion people out of poverty in half a decade. Like the USSR previously, they have gone from being an agrarian nation to having their own space programme, a rapidly expanding economy like the world has never seen, and are on their way to becoming a superpower.

As long as life keeps improving for the average Chinese person, nothing will change there. Yeah the intellectuals don't like it, but they have always been at the forefront of dissent toward authoritarian governments.

If the Chinese wanted democracy, they would have it.

 

[TillLindemann]

If the Chinese wanted democracy, they would have it.

They tried:


The Chinese Communist Party is literally the bloodiest regime in history, having murdered more people than Hitler and Stalin combined.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

If the Chinese wanted democracy, they would have it.

They tried:


The Chinese Communist Party is literally the bloodiest regime in history, having murdered more people than Hitler and Stalin combined.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/

Yes, consider the times. China was still a developing nation. Honkers represented something like a third of their economy as opposed to I think it is 2.5-3% now (hence the acceleration of plans to integrate/absorb HK into the PRC.) Many people were still living in abject poverty.

I'm not an advocate of China, or their past or current human rights abuses, but I always try to view it in context. Times are good for them now, and as a result they are happy. Quality of life is improving so they are happy with the status quo, if things weren't great, there would be more Tiananmen style protests, and eventually the military would probably intervene on behalf of the people if the government were not willing to cede.

Also, Tiananmen was largely a student and intellectual led protest from what I have read, which as I said is not unusual to see in authoritarian countries.

 

[earl]

Sure, China hid a lot of what was happening, but they had hospitals built in a couple of weeks, whilst our federal government is still quibbling over even just sorting out plans for what will still likely be state run suitable quarantine facilities 18 bloody months on.

I said this at the start of this whole event. People criticise China and rightly so but they are going to act so much quicker and tougher in certain ways.

They just get stuff done and stuff the people.

Yes brutal totalitarian one-party states that don't tolerate any dissent and run concentration camps do 'get things done' I suppose.

Completely agree. They have advantages to go with the negatives. It's interesting for instance that Russia and China must be supplying so much vaccines to the poorer countries whereas the developed world is lapping up supplies for themselves.

 

[Tiger5150]

Had my second dose of Pfizer yesterday and it had knocked me around.

How were you after the first jab? I'm getting my first Monday.

First I was fine, second really struggled

Really struggled how @cochise?
Seems like it may effect you youngsters more than old dinosaurs like me, but I havent had my 2nd AZ jab yet.
My niece who just recently turned 50 was knocked around for about a week after her 2nd AZ jab.

I don't want to put people off getting the jab, but it knocked me around for about 4 days.

About 12 hours after my 2nd dose I started with headaches and cognitive foggyness. I really couldn't think straight for about 2 days, I also had blurred vision on the 1st night.

Then just tiredness headaches and feeling off for about 4 days. Today is really the 1st day I have felt 100%

I feel for you mate - I have friends at work who experienced similar symptoms from the second Pfizer shot. I was surprisingly ok - nothing more than feeling tired the next day and by dinner time, I was back to normal.

I would still recommend people to get the vaccine. It didn't change my opinion on that at all.


Agreed - its an imperative IMHO

I am now fully vaccinated and had virtually zero side effects. My wife - mild to moderate for one day - everyone's immune system responds differently to all vaccines - it just fact. **Still completely outweighs any downsides (statistically speaking )**

Unless you’re the family of one of the people who have died or been adversely affected by the ‘jab’


Yes for sure if you're the family of the 2 Australians who have died as a result of an incredibly rare side effect of one vaccine, that terrible.

There are many more than 2. Even with the blood clotting

 

[Papacito]

I had my first Pfizer vaccine on Monday.

I must say that I was extremely impressed with the set-up.

Within a few minutes it was all done and after waiting the mandatory 15 minutes, I was back in my car heading home.

No reactions, nothing unusual.

 

[Rugba]

I had my first Pfizer vaccine on Monday.

I must say that I was extremely impressed with the set-up.

Within a few minutes it was all done and after waiting the mandatory 15 minutes, I was back in my car heading home.

No reactions, nothing unusual.

I had my 2 shots at Olympic park . Smooth process and even better zero side effects

 

[earl]

everything bad that happens: its the govt
everything good that happens: isn't.
Its the Aussie way

This is 100% true. I don't believe that palava about foreign investment ruining the Australian dream because of poor governmental control.

I'm a capitalist and I believe we stuff things up ourselves and we should be able to do that if we choose too. Those who are smarter or luckier or whatever and take advantage of the situation prosper and those that don't don't prosper.

I'm nearly 50 with a paid off house. I got plenty of friends who don't have their own properties. I've been lucky but I also took advantage of my luck.

 

[earl]

If the Chinese wanted democracy, they would have it.

They tried:


The Chinese Communist Party is literally the bloodiest regime in history, having murdered more people than Hitler and Stalin combined.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/

Mate I studied China at university and I remember stating how many people died via famines and the Chinese government simply covered it up. It was all their stuff up.

Tiananmen Square is like nothing.