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too little too late by gladys
we will see over 400 over the weekend and again new restrictions will come into force over the weekend leaving essential workers no idea if they should be heading into work to grab their laptops or work to be completed at home
just lock the bloody city down already, there's still way too many "essential workers" out and about because the government has said they are essential. at this point there's a handful of essential roles not the 7 pages of categories listed
 
Seeing that I mentioned greed earlier and also long ago that my Central Coast should be fenced off (colloquially) from Sydney, I want to reiterate that it along with other areas should be protected by making Sydney itself as insular as possible.

It needs to be treated as an island in relation to this virus and early calls for blowing up bridges etcetera earlier, whilst exaggerations, they were spot on in that almost total isolation needed to be carried out back then.
 
@nuggetron said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1423830) said:
just lock the bloody city down already, there’s still way too many “essential workers” out and about because the government has said they are essential. at this point there’s a handful of essential roles not the 7 pages of categories listed

It's not that simple. Essential workers are people packing food.

I think there are multiple problems making this situation worse that are outside the control of the NSW govt:-

1. We've had it so good for so long and people can't just change their behavior patterns so quickly.
2. A slow roll-out of the vaccines.
3. The crazies spreading dis-information which leads to vaccine hesitancy.
4. The crazies spreading dis-information about lock downs not working and COVID not actually being real.
5. The new strain which is more contagious.

The virus seems to be predominantly in the west and south-west. I suggest more people there congregate amongst different households more regularly than other areas. More people work in essential services and more people (I could be wrong) believe the crazies.

It all leads to a complete and utter disaster.
 
@tigertone said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1423821) said:
@trusted_insider said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1423809) said:
@tigertone said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1423784) said:
How do they know , or not know , that the people who have got the covid bug and have been isolating , **arent the ones that are going to get the covid test again , without having recovered** , hence bringing the total of cases up the next day.

Why would anyone willingly do such a thing?

Full personal details including medicare number were taken when I got tested, so they would know, in the extremely unlikely case this was happening.

I get that champ , but people still have to go get tested until they get a negative result. So if a person that has the bug goes for their second test (to see if they dont have it anymore) and it comes up positive does it then count on the next days total?


No worries 'chief'. As mentioned they list new daily case count, not existing cases.

And to be clear, you think people who haven't recovered are routinely submitting to the lovely process of nasal and throat swabs, because... ???
 
@nuggetron said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1423640) said:
@inbenjiwetrust said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1422407) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1422401) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1422334) said:
With the higher number of infectious in community numbers I am starting to wonder now if people are honestly jack of the government. Are they at the point where they are refusing to take a personal economic hit because the state didn't do what was needed when it was necessary in locking down the Eastern Suburbs?

It is easy for me to comment from my position as I can work from home, have everything I need and am in an area with no recorded cases.

It would be much harder for those living week to week being told that they cannot leave for work and have to take leave, or if they are casual, stay home without pay and try to apply for government support. JobKeeper would likely still not be enough for many, while the areas that started this outbreak (who are the demographic who could handle a hard lockdown,) were flogged with a wet lettuce leaf and not locked down properly and facilitated the spread.

No doubt there is a rising level of resentment in the community and the seeding of some if it almost certainly relates to disparities, perceived or otherwise.

The assistance for many is still inadequate and being rolled out much slower than necessary for some you alluded to above to survive.

We are a wealthy country that can afford this and for mine it is imperative that we as a community that are relieved by the spending must also be the ones to repay a good portion of it as things return. We must not allow this to become a burden on our children and use the opportunity to enact structural funding change, with the next round of legislated tax cuts the first to culled as the first action.


The lockdowns can be easily solved by forcing politicians and public service involved including “medical advisors” to a job keeper for the duration of the lockdown!

as a public servant why would i go to work as an essential worker, risk getting covid, spreading it to my household including my pregnant wife if im just going to get the same pay as being on the job keeper allowance? i just wont come into work, your essential service will break down
people hate on public servant because they have a secure job but the pay is trash, they aren't the ones making a huge salary that can afford a pay hit; the higher end tax bracket are the ones who should be hit this time next year to start offsetting the huge toll job keeper is going to have on the budget for decades to come

Thanks for your comment. I referred to "medical advisors" and out of touch, unelected bureaucrats that make decisions beyond their understanding and for which they will never hold responsible! They simply have no skin in the game, and even worse, they get even more rewarded for their mistakes!
Compare this with a small business, people who put everything they own into their business. If they make a mistake, they will be directly punished. Now they are punished, for something that was not their mistake!
I am for principle "everybody counts, or nobody counts' (H Bosch). Therefore, if any politician wants to enforce lockdown, he/she/it must immediately feel the consequence, as any small business. That means, as any lockdown is enforced, their/involved bureaucracy salaries must be reduced to job keeper, with no early access to pension or other benefits.
If you vote for the lockdown, you must feel the consequences as any other person.
 
@inbenjiwetrust said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1423908) said:
@nuggetron said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1423640) said:
@inbenjiwetrust said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1422407) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1422401) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1422334) said:
With the higher number of infectious in community numbers I am starting to wonder now if people are honestly jack of the government. Are they at the point where they are refusing to take a personal economic hit because the state didn't do what was needed when it was necessary in locking down the Eastern Suburbs?

It is easy for me to comment from my position as I can work from home, have everything I need and am in an area with no recorded cases.

It would be much harder for those living week to week being told that they cannot leave for work and have to take leave, or if they are casual, stay home without pay and try to apply for government support. JobKeeper would likely still not be enough for many, while the areas that started this outbreak (who are the demographic who could handle a hard lockdown,) were flogged with a wet lettuce leaf and not locked down properly and facilitated the spread.

No doubt there is a rising level of resentment in the community and the seeding of some if it almost certainly relates to disparities, perceived or otherwise.

The assistance for many is still inadequate and being rolled out much slower than necessary for some you alluded to above to survive.

We are a wealthy country that can afford this and for mine it is imperative that we as a community that are relieved by the spending must also be the ones to repay a good portion of it as things return. We must not allow this to become a burden on our children and use the opportunity to enact structural funding change, with the next round of legislated tax cuts the first to culled as the first action.


The lockdowns can be easily solved by forcing politicians and public service involved including “medical advisors” to a job keeper for the duration of the lockdown!

as a public servant why would i go to work as an essential worker, risk getting covid, spreading it to my household including my pregnant wife if im just going to get the same pay as being on the job keeper allowance? i just wont come into work, your essential service will break down
people hate on public servant because they have a secure job but the pay is trash, they aren't the ones making a huge salary that can afford a pay hit; the higher end tax bracket are the ones who should be hit this time next year to start offsetting the huge toll job keeper is going to have on the budget for decades to come

Thanks for your comment. I referred to "medical advisors" and out of touch, unelected bureaucrats that make decisions beyond their understanding and for which they will never hold responsible! They simply have no skin in the game, and even worse, they get even more rewarded for their mistakes!
Compare this with a small business, people who put everything they own into their business. If they make a mistake, they will be directly punished. Now they are punished, for something that was not their mistake!
I am for principle "everybody counts, or nobody counts' (H Bosch). Therefore, if any politician wants to enforce lockdown, he/she/it must immediately feel the consequence, as any small business. That means, as any lockdown is enforced, their/involved bureaucracy salaries must be reduced to job keeper, with no early access to pension or other benefits.
If you vote for the lockdown, you must feel the consequences as any other person.

Sound point there IBWT. The pollies are still getting full pay. If any of them were worth their salt, they would agree to take a 50% pay cut or agree to live off JobKeeper. They make all these decisions that affect millions of people living week to week and they make no personal economic sacrifice. Gladys hasn't seen her mum in a month. Cry me a river.
 
At least property values will drop the futures market already has 6 rate rises in the next 4 years and the RBA said that for every 100 base points added property values will drop 30 percent over 3 years and with NZ Canada and other countries indicating that they are putting there rates up the banks will raise rates to offset the offshore lending cost in the dropping $$AU so it mite be alot more then 6 look at Brazil the have double there rate from a year ago

I hope Gladys understands what she is doing
 
@radoush said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1423607) said:
A mate has been called up from army reserves for duty from 1 August so something is going to happen and was told lockdown till 24 August

These are not the droids you are looking for...
 
@radoush said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1423973) said:
At least property values will drop the futures market already has 6 rate rises in the next 4 years and the RBA said that for every 100 base points added property values will drop 30 percent over 3 years and with NZ Canada and other countries indicating that they are putting there rates up the banks will raise rates to offset the offshore lending cost in the dropping $$AU so it mite be alot more then 6 look at Brazil the have double there rate from a year ago

I hope Gladys understands what she is doing

it may all end up under a new system.self survival.
 
@willow said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1423976) said:
@radoush said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1423607) said:
A mate has been called up from army reserves for duty from 1 August so something is going to happen and was told lockdown till 24 August

These are not the droids you are looking for...

What did you think think of 7 8 9 ?
 
Many regional towns in Qld in trouble due to a flight attendant on the "paper" plane on the 11/7/21 ...she started getting symptoms on the 13/17/21 and finally got tested some time this week

Flight attendant spent the night on Gladstone ...so not sure if the flight continued on

The plane was full of passengers and dropped into Bundaberg , Hervey Bay ...Gladstone

Our state MP was on flight as well ........

See you all in lock down .....
 
So now they are bringing the second AZ jab forward to 4 weeks instead of the recommended some 3 months and doubling that of Pfizer out to 6 weeks. Really.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424005) said:
So now they are bringing the second AZ jab forward to 4 weeks instead of the recommended some 3 months and doubling that of Pfizer out to 6 weeks. Really.

That's about 5 times they've moved the posts on AZ.

I've had both my AZs, im late
50s & my liver is shot.... I've had no dramas with AZ.... Don't mind a punt
 
@inbenjiwetrust said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1423908) said:
I am for principle "everybody counts, or nobody counts’ (H Bosch).

I think you are wrong but I get where you are coming from. The problem with your idea is that it may stop people doing the right thing which unfortunately is locking down.

The problem is too many people will die unnecessarily and there will be flow on effects. The health system simply cannot handle how full on this virus is.

I get where you are coming from and Bosch is one of my favorite TV shows and I've read every book in the series.

I also think you are being way too harsh. The pollies are feeling this. Dr Chant is feeling it. I feel sorry for them just as much as for people running small businesses.

I want the lock downs to stop but we need people vaccinated.
 
@radoush said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1423973) said:
At least property values will drop

You are 100% right. I agree with you. I've been thinking the crash is inevitable soon. I've been thinking that for the past 15 years. It's coming.
 
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1423996) said:
Many regional towns in Qld in trouble due to a flight attendant on the "paper" plane on the 11/7/21 ...she started getting symptoms on the **13/17/21** and finally got tested some time this week

Flight attendant spent the night on Gladstone ...so not sure if the flight continued on

The plane was full of passengers and dropped into Bundaberg , Hervey Bay ...Gladstone

Our state MP was on flight as well ........

See you all in lock down .....

When is that in the non Queensland calendar?
Seriously though, hope you guys are like us in Wellington and the person was not contagious at the time. It seems like it's a possibility
 
@happy_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1423997) said:
Delta version .....

I reckon this is part of the problem. It's just harder to handle and it was hard at the start.
 
@innsaneink said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424007) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424005) said:
So now they are bringing the second AZ jab forward to 4 weeks instead of the recommended some 3 months and doubling that of Pfizer out to 6 weeks. Really.

That's about 5 times they've moved the posts on AZ.

I've had both my AZs, im late
50s & my liver is shot.... I've had no dramas with AZ.... Don't mind a punt

Most people are going to be fine with the AZ. It's a really good vaccine.

This article is really good.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/unqualified-and-dishonest-the-experts-who-undermined-confidence-in-astrazeneca-will-cost-australians-lives-20210722-p58c1f.html

The problem is we've been listening to experts who are highly risk averse and guess what those experts are in a lot of ways fools. They see black and white.

You get your crazies on both sides. On one side we hear all the right wing palava regarding vaccines being bad and COVID not being real. One the left we hear lockdown forever and everything will be fine.

They are both nonsense positions.

It's why I like Gladys and she continues to impress me. We need politicians that face issues but do so in pragmatic ways.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1424018) said:
It’s why I like Gladys and she continues to impress me. We need politicians that face issues but do so in pragmatic ways.

Pragmatism would have shut the lid on this in the Eastern Suburbs.
 
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