Coronavirus Outbreak

[FinestTigers]

I asked a legitimate and a very simple question and since then replies and questions were hurled at me, but i tried to remain calm and patient,
By me asking this question some people here gave me this feeling of, **how dare you not know and ask this question?** because hey, everyone knows that China had more than the one wave, but the answers and replies to my question were all proven to be opinions and certainly not facts,
**It is truly very sad and unbelievable** that some of you people on here seemed agitated and offended by this very simple question that none of you could answer
"can someone please point me in the right direction that shows/proves that China has had more than the one wave, as some of you have said”
But guess what guys,
Patience is the winner.

 

[mike]

Will NY Times do?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/world/asia/china-covid-lockdown.amp.html


Sorry @mike this also doesn't answer the question, this is a story about a lockdown that is to prevent an outbreak, the story is not about another infection wave,
story exerpt: "When a handful of new coronavirus cases materialized this month in a province surrounding Beijing — apparently spread at a village wedding party — the Chinese authorities bolted into action"

You don’t lock down 22M people just for the fun of it.

I didn't ask about about lockdowns, 22m in lockdown doesn't mean 22m infected,
The following is my original queation,
"So can someone please point me in the right direction that shows/proves that China has had more than the one wave, as some of you have said"

What is your definition of a ‘wave’?

A multitude of infections in a specificed date/period.

Defined multitude, how many?10s/100s/1000s/Millions or % of population? And what date/period? A day/Week/month? Just want to get a feel for what you would consider a wave?

 

[TrueTiger]

If these idiot protesters are allowed to have another rally as the last one...then they should be hit hard,shamed and made an example off,that to risk the entire community because they want to make a statement...let the police and authorities make a bigger statement...we are all in this together,I stand by the families and businesses effected by this virus but have no time for dopes that want to be seen and heard,but no one wants to take notice of what they want to say but see the stupidity of what they are doing...

 

[mike]


 

[Papacito]

Will NY Times do?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/world/asia/china-covid-lockdown.amp.html


Sorry @mike this also doesn't answer the question, this is a story about a lockdown that is to prevent an outbreak, the story is not about another infection wave,
story exerpt: "When a handful of new coronavirus cases materialized this month in a province surrounding Beijing — apparently spread at a village wedding party — the Chinese authorities bolted into action"

You don’t lock down 22M people just for the fun of it.

I didn't ask about about lockdowns, 22m in lockdown doesn't mean 22m infected,
The following is my original queation,
"So can someone please point me in the right direction that shows/proves that China has had more than the one wave, as some of you have said"

You can only go off their official data, which in a country as densely populated in urban areas as theirs, couldn't be possibly right. If the Delta strain got loose in Beijing, Shanghai, Chongqing or Guangzhou, there'd be hundreds of thousands of cases on the daily.

That said, on the flipside one thing that China does have is a compliant population.

Not making excuses for China, but I know this first hand:

- Early last year the government forced plenty of factories to ditch what they were doing and make facemasks (the place i was working for at the time had our manufacturing stopped)
- Pretty much everyone complied, stayed home and got stuff home-delivered. No welding of doors as far as I know
- They tested cities the entire size of Sydney in a day or two and forced anyone positive to isolate
- They have smartphone apps like Service NSW that show a recent test result (you get scored as green, orange or red). I don't think you can get into high density things like a train unless you're green

They've obviously told some porkies with cases, but from what I hear they did more or less get on top of it.

 

[earl]

Will NY Times do?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/world/asia/china-covid-lockdown.amp.html


Sorry @mike this also doesn't answer the question, this is a story about a lockdown that is to prevent an outbreak, the story is not about another infection wave,
story exerpt: "When a handful of new coronavirus cases materialized this month in a province surrounding Beijing — apparently spread at a village wedding party — the Chinese authorities bolted into action"

You don’t lock down 22M people just for the fun of it.

I didn't ask about about lockdowns, 22m in lockdown doesn't mean 22m infected,
The following is my original queation,
"So can someone please point me in the right direction that shows/proves that China has had more than the one wave, as some of you have said"

You can only go off their official data, which in a country as densely populated in urban areas as theirs, couldn't be possibly right. If the Delta strain got loose in Beijing, Shanghai, Chongqing or Guangzhou, there'd be hundreds of thousands of cases on the daily.

That said, on the flipside one thing that China does have is a compliant population.

Not making excuses for China, but I know this first hand:

- Early last year the government forced plenty of factories to ditch what they were doing and make facemasks (the place i was working for at the time had our manufacturing stopped)
- Pretty much everyone complied, stayed home and got stuff home-delivered. No welding of doors as far as I know
- They tested cities the entire size of Sydney in a day or two and forced anyone positive to isolate
- They have smartphone apps like Service NSW that show a recent test result (you get scored as green, orange or red). I don't think you can get into high density things like a train unless you're green

They've obviously told some porkies with cases, but from what I hear they did more or less get on top of it.

There are in my opinion a couple of factors in relation to why it is so hard to draw any conclusions from the China experience:-

1. None of us should be trusting the data from China.
2. We can't implement the same policies that would work in China.

 

[FinestTigers]

Will NY Times do?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/world/asia/china-covid-lockdown.amp.html


Sorry @mike this also doesn't answer the question, this is a story about a lockdown that is to prevent an outbreak, the story is not about another infection wave,
story exerpt: "When a handful of new coronavirus cases materialized this month in a province surrounding Beijing — apparently spread at a village wedding party — the Chinese authorities bolted into action"

You don’t lock down 22M people just for the fun of it.

I didn't ask about about lockdowns, 22m in lockdown doesn't mean 22m infected,
The following is my original queation,
"So can someone please point me in the right direction that shows/proves that China has had more than the one wave, as some of you have said"

What is your definition of a ‘wave’?

A multitude of infections in a specificed date/period.

Defined multitude, how many?10s/100s/1000s/Millions or % of population? And what date/period? A day/Week/month? Just want to get a feel for what you would consider a wave?

And You keep trying to get off the topic, can you prove that China had more than the one **infection wave** or not? Simple.

 

[mike]

Will NY Times do?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/world/asia/china-covid-lockdown.amp.html


Sorry @mike this also doesn't answer the question, this is a story about a lockdown that is to prevent an outbreak, the story is not about another infection wave,
story exerpt: "When a handful of new coronavirus cases materialized this month in a province surrounding Beijing — apparently spread at a village wedding party — the Chinese authorities bolted into action"

You don’t lock down 22M people just for the fun of it.

I didn't ask about about lockdowns, 22m in lockdown doesn't mean 22m infected,
The following is my original queation,
"So can someone please point me in the right direction that shows/proves that China has had more than the one wave, as some of you have said"

What is your definition of a ‘wave’?

A multitude of infections in a specificed date/period.

Defined multitude, how many?10s/100s/1000s/Millions or % of population? And what date/period? A day/Week/month? Just want to get a feel for what you would consider a wave?

And You keep trying to get off the topic, can you prove that China had more than the one **infection wave** or not? Simple.

Not off topic at all. Unless you define what you consider a wave it’s pointless as you can just dismiss it as not a wave. So put some solid criteria around it. Would you consider that Sydney is going through a wave?

 

[Geo]

A 10 centimetre wave or a 50 metre wave is still a wave..

 

[cochise]

A 10 centimetre wave or a 50 metre wave is still a wave..

I think the 10 centimetre wave was what Gilmore was trying to surf today.

 

[FinestTigers]

Will NY Times do?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/world/asia/china-covid-lockdown.amp.html


Sorry @mike this also doesn't answer the question, this is a story about a lockdown that is to prevent an outbreak, the story is not about another infection wave,
story exerpt: "When a handful of new coronavirus cases materialized this month in a province surrounding Beijing — apparently spread at a village wedding party — the Chinese authorities bolted into action"

You don’t lock down 22M people just for the fun of it.

I didn't ask about about lockdowns, 22m in lockdown doesn't mean 22m infected,
The following is my original queation,
"So can someone please point me in the right direction that shows/proves that China has had more than the one wave, as some of you have said"

What is your definition of a ‘wave’?

A multitude of infections in a specificed date/period.

Defined multitude, how many?10s/100s/1000s/Millions or % of population? And what date/period? A day/Week/month? Just want to get a feel for what you would consider a wave?

And You keep trying to get off the topic, can you prove that China had more than the one **infection wave** or not? Simple.

Not off topic at all. Unless you define what you consider a wave it’s pointless as you can just dismiss it as not a wave. So put some solid criteria around it. Would you consider that Sydney is going through a wave?

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i would never had thought anyone would be agitated and offended by a very legitimate question.
I now refuse to engage in this nonsense any more further.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Seeing that I mentioned greed earlier and also long ago that my Central Coast should be fenced off (colloquially) from Sydney, I want to reiterate that it along with other areas should be protected by making Sydney itself as insular as possible.

It needs to be treated as an island in relation to this virus and early calls for blowing up bridges etcetera earlier, whilst exaggerations, they were spot on in that almost total isolation needed to be carried out back then.

impossible, chant or gladys said it, it's too hard to completely shut sydney out of everywhere else, how will food and supplies get in and out?

people are still out and about, kmart and bunnings aren't that essential
i still see tradies carpooling
there's plenty of fat to be trimmed from that list
i understand the supply chain process, i worked in part of it for too long (hated every second of it) i get petrol stations need to be open to be able to facilitate the essential workers getting to work and the same for public transport, but do mechanics need to be open? sure have emergency set up like the tradies but i still see people asking for who does green/pink/white slips etc on facebook with dozens of responses
wouldn't be too hard to put something on the back end of RMS saying any car that expired in this period gets 6 months grace
i've seen kennards hire trucks with equipment getting hauled around the roads, shouldn't be happening, traffic hasn't improved that much for so many people locked down. a normal 70 minute peak hour drive is down to 50 or so vs 35 with no traffic

The key word is the "almost" that was in my last sentence, that naturally covers the logistics necessary for survival, along with child welfare, disabled and the like.

It was certainly possible to insulate the Central Coast and should have been done on the Thursday prior to school holidays commencing, but too late now anyway as those similar to your mentions have already brought it up here. Next stop is Newcastle and the Hunter, as it seeds here and transports north from here as it did to get here.

I thought the start of spring earlier, but even with the last lot of changes it remains lockdown lite, so this might go right out to the grand final or even longer now.

Thank whomever or what one may believe in that we have state borders so some of the country can continue.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I see Roy Asotasi & Ben Roberts were at the protest yesterday

Good, stuff them, contact Crime Stoppers.

 

[mike]

Will NY Times do?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/world/asia/china-covid-lockdown.amp.html


Sorry @mike this also doesn't answer the question, this is a story about a lockdown that is to prevent an outbreak, the story is not about another infection wave,
story exerpt: "When a handful of new coronavirus cases materialized this month in a province surrounding Beijing — apparently spread at a village wedding party — the Chinese authorities bolted into action"

You don’t lock down 22M people just for the fun of it.

I didn't ask about about lockdowns, 22m in lockdown doesn't mean 22m infected,
The following is my original queation,
"So can someone please point me in the right direction that shows/proves that China has had more than the one wave, as some of you have said"

What is your definition of a ‘wave’?

A multitude of infections in a specificed date/period.

Defined multitude, how many?10s/100s/1000s/Millions or % of population? And what date/period? A day/Week/month? Just want to get a feel for what you would consider a wave?

And You keep trying to get off the topic, can you prove that China had more than the one **infection wave** or not? Simple.

Not off topic at all. Unless you define what you consider a wave it’s pointless as you can just dismiss it as not a wave. So put some solid criteria around it. Would you consider that Sydney is going through a wave?

.
i would never had thought anyone would be agitated and offended by a very legitimate question.
I now refuse to engage in this nonsense any more further.

I am neither agitated nor offended. I really wanted to know.

As you are unable to define what you consider a wave it’s probably best that you stop engaging.

 

[FinestTigers]

Will NY Times do?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/world/asia/china-covid-lockdown.amp.html


Sorry @mike this also doesn't answer the question, this is a story about a lockdown that is to prevent an outbreak, the story is not about another infection wave,
story exerpt: "When a handful of new coronavirus cases materialized this month in a province surrounding Beijing — apparently spread at a village wedding party — the Chinese authorities bolted into action"

You don’t lock down 22M people just for the fun of it.

I didn't ask about about lockdowns, 22m in lockdown doesn't mean 22m infected,
The following is my original queation,
"So can someone please point me in the right direction that shows/proves that China has had more than the one wave, as some of you have said"

What is your definition of a ‘wave’?

A multitude of infections in a specificed date/period.

Defined multitude, how many?10s/100s/1000s/Millions or % of population? And what date/period? A day/Week/month? Just want to get a feel for what you would consider a wave?

And You keep trying to get off the topic, can you prove that China had more than the one **infection wave** or not? Simple.

Not off topic at all. Unless you define what you consider a wave it’s pointless as you can just dismiss it as not a wave. So put some solid criteria around it. Would you consider that Sydney is going through a wave?

.
i would never had thought anyone would be agitated and offended by a very legitimate question.
I now refuse to engage in this nonsense any more further.

I am neither agitated nor offended. I really wanted to know.

As you are unable to define what you consider a wave it’s probably best that you stop engaging.

Okay, so, since you seem to know, what is your definition of a "wave" in a pandemic. Please answer.

 

[Tim Sheens]

https://www.facebook.com/231393166881120/videos/941587363077065/

Hope the police turn up with tear gas and water cannons.

Idiocy should hurt.

They should be denied care from NSW Health
IF any of them get covid... Selfish entitled aholes

Plenty of fat and elderly there. Really chancing their arm.

Hope they wind up on ventilators. They'll know what having no free will is really like then.

I understand the sentiment and frustration but I really wouldn’t want that to happen to anyone. It’s a horrible way to die, gasping for breath.

Mate, I've been on a ventilator. I know exactly how unpleasant it is.

My father was as well a few years ago and it was unpleasant to see, let alone be the one to whom it is fitted.

 

[Tim Sheens]

There are going to be many that are going to regret attending yesterday! and the ramifications for family members .

I hope not.

 

[Guest]

10000 calls to Crimestoppers re the imbecile protestors has restored my faith in Sydney.

 

[mike]

Will NY Times do?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/world/asia/china-covid-lockdown.amp.html


Sorry @mike this also doesn't answer the question, this is a story about a lockdown that is to prevent an outbreak, the story is not about another infection wave,
story exerpt: "When a handful of new coronavirus cases materialized this month in a province surrounding Beijing — apparently spread at a village wedding party — the Chinese authorities bolted into action"

You don’t lock down 22M people just for the fun of it.

I didn't ask about about lockdowns, 22m in lockdown doesn't mean 22m infected,
The following is my original queation,
"So can someone please point me in the right direction that shows/proves that China has had more than the one wave, as some of you have said"

What is your definition of a ‘wave’?

A multitude of infections in a specificed date/period.

Defined multitude, how many?10s/100s/1000s/Millions or % of population? And what date/period? A day/Week/month? Just want to get a feel for what you would consider a wave?

And You keep trying to get off the topic, can you prove that China had more than the one **infection wave** or not? Simple.

Not off topic at all. Unless you define what you consider a wave it’s pointless as you can just dismiss it as not a wave. So put some solid criteria around it. Would you consider that Sydney is going through a wave?

.
i would never had thought anyone would be agitated and offended by a very legitimate question.
I now refuse to engage in this nonsense any more further.

I am neither agitated nor offended. I really wanted to know.

As you are unable to define what you consider a wave it’s probably best that you stop engaging.

Okay, so, since you seem to know, what is your definition of a "wave" in a pandemic. Please answer.

So you really don't have a definition. OK.

To me I would consider Sydney is going through a wave. I would define a wave as number of cases reported daily say 60 or more and increasing over a period of a couple of weeks and continuing to increase where normal physical distancing, masks and hygiene measures are not effective. The resulting measures needed to decrease the numbers require more extreme measures like restricting gatherings, preventing unnecessary movements and interactions between people not in the same household. In other words a lock-down is needed to reduce the spread of the virus.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

I see Roy Asotasi & Ben Roberts were at the protest yesterday

Good, stuff them, contact Crime Stoppers.