Coronavirus Outbreak

[Don Kershane]

Hayes Dumpster maybe?

 

[Pascoes_barber]

^ Pun game is on point. 5 stars.

 

[Nelson]

Credit to the people at Lakemba. The queue outside the Mosque, which is set up as a vaccination centre, was huge at 6:30am the other day. Stretched as far as the eye could see.

Yeah, news that balances the situation. Just like elsewhere, the vast majority are doing their bit for the common good.

The “Common good” is not always just that

There’s been no shortage of literature based around the dangers of collectivism

I support the rights of the individual

Why is collectivism bad in this context? Forget about what literature may say in some abstract context and try to actually apply the principles. Do you in all circumstances support the rights of the individual over the collective good?

 

[Nelson]

Does anyone think there could be someone driving around regional NSW with covid having a dump into their various sewerage systems? An arsonist maybe. Waiting for a conspiracy theorist to jump on this one.

I hope the police are keeping close tabs on this guy:

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/poo-bandit-caught-on-camera-outside-sydney-law-firm-pleads-guilty/news-story/7627e16e41ab7207819e91a12d340f6b

 

[Tim Sheens]

They just need to develop a water based vaccine and dump it into our water supply .. simples

Does anyone know why it can’t be manufactured in tablet/capsule form?

Many reasons

1. It is not the purpose or intention to "spread" the vaccine throughout the body. In particular with the mechanism of this vaccine it is not a good thing if that happens. There has been much made of a recent release under a Japanese FoI of Pfizer studies that show that over 48hrs the lipid nanoparticles that house the mRNA of the vaccine accumulate in other organs (particularly bone marrow and ovaries) and those advocating against the vaccines have made a big deal of this because it is true you dont want this happening. I was in fact making a big deal of this at the time. What is not stated in that information (and a big part of why I have changed my mind) is that what ever concentration of lipid particles are found in ovaries etc, it is about 1/100th of the concentration of the lipid nanoparticles that stay at the injection site and this is EXACTLY what it is designed to do.

The reason is that you do not need it to spread to the body. The mRNA "teaches" the native cells to produce a S1unit Spike protein and your immune system learns to react to that so taht if it see the spike protein from the COVID virus it learns to kill that as well. Your immune system just needs to learn what it is and react. It doesnt need it all over your body and in fact there is a fair bit of information that spike proteins throughout your organs are not something you want.

2. Secondly, by swallowing a tablet, it is a different action for absorption and introduction. I dont know this for a fact but I'd assume that the mRNA would create spike proteins in your gastro system and your immune system would react to it there. Might not be what you want.

I just thought that if they can detect traces in the sewage systems why can’t they develop a vaccine to put in our water supply..?
Just a thought..
No one would be the wiser ..

Medicated beer. Get a six pack of "Vax".

I'll be good to go if they get it into Nastro Azzurro or other quality lagers.

 

[Don Kershane]

Does anyone think there could be someone driving around regional NSW with covid having a dump into their various sewerage systems? An arsonist maybe. Waiting for a conspiracy theorist to jump on this one.

I hope the police are keeping close tabs on this guy:

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/poo-bandit-caught-on-camera-outside-sydney-law-firm-pleads-guilty/news-story/7627e16e41ab7207819e91a12d340f6b

Great detective work -hope evidence kept for DNA analysis and not papered over.

 

[voice_of_reason]

Doesn't explain why you should have a choice that others don't.

My parents have both had clotting issues, but don't fit the specific 4 conditions that give them automatic access to Pfizer. They have sought medical advice and as they are 87 & 88 respectively with dementia, as a representative of their children I also spoke to their doctor long ago.

It does make you wonder where we'd be if the Government had not made a distinction between Pfizer and AZ - simply open the clinics, walk in and get vaccinated with 'a vaccine'. Hesitancy would barely exist.

Similar to your parents, I have a long history of clotting issues and my Dr recommended not to get AZ. There was nothing I could do to get Pfizer so had to choose between being unvaccinated or taking AZ. My Dr finally agreed that COVID was the greater risk and I'm now lining up for my second AZ next week.

 

[voice_of_reason]

NSW had some pretty amazing stats today - 151,000 tests and 106,000 vaccinations in a single day. I can remember when they were saying 30,000 tests was the target. Well done us.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I feel sorry for this young lass. Don't some have better things to do than to point the finger at a Newcastle Uni student visiting her home town?

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/teen-who-triggered-lockdown-in-regional-nsw-asks-online-trolls-to-stop/ar-AANcJXy?ocid=msedgntp

 

[Tiger Beach]

Credit to the people at Lakemba. The queue outside the Mosque, which is set up as a vaccination centre, was huge at 6:30am the other day. Stretched as far as the eye could see.

Yeah, news that balances the situation. Just like elsewhere, the vast majority are doing their bit for the common good.

The “Common good” is not always just that

There’s been no shortage of literature based around the dangers of collectivism

I support the rights of the individual

Why is collectivism bad in this context? Forget about what literature may say in some abstract context and try to actually apply the principles. Do you in all circumstances support the rights of the individual over the collective good?

Collectivism assumes it knows better and is willing to trample the individual to achieve its ends. That is why I don’t agree with what is going on currently

As in all things absolutes aren’t appropriate so no I don’t in all circumstances. The answer as in most cases in life is, it depends

 

[pawsandclaws1]

4 confirmed cases in the ACT.

 

[earl]

Doesn't explain why you should have a choice that others don't.

My parents have both had clotting issues, but don't fit the specific 4 conditions that give them automatic access to Pfizer. They have sought medical advice and as they are 87 & 88 respectively with dementia, as a representative of their children I also spoke to their doctor long ago.

It does make you wonder where we'd be if the Government had not made a distinction between Pfizer and AZ - simply open the clinics, walk in and get vaccinated with 'a vaccine'. Hesitancy would barely exist.

Similar to your parents, I have a long history of clotting issues and my Dr recommended not to get AZ. There was nothing I could do to get Pfizer so had to choose between being unvaccinated or taking AZ. My Dr finally agreed that COVID was the greater risk and I'm now lining up for my second AZ next week.

It kills me. Imagine all the kids vaccines or flu vaccines we've taken but now it's COVID we have to know the brand.

You go and take your medicine. Let the medical system choose which one to give you.

One thing that hasn't been said is some doctors are hopeless. We go to the local GP and there is this kid there who can't offer an opinion. He is hopeless. You just have to go to a different doctor. He couldn't diagnose my 10 yo son with chicken pox. It was nuts.

 

[earl]

I feel sorry for this young lass. Don't some have better things to do than to point the finger at a Newcastle Uni student visiting her home town?

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/teen-who-triggered-lockdown-in-regional-nsw-asks-online-trolls-to-stop/ar-AANcJXy?ocid=msedgntp

I don't like this. We have to accept people are people and the virus is the bloody virus.

 

[Geo]

4 confirmed cases in the ACT.

And the QLD polly's couldn't bail quick enough..

 

[Tim Sheens]

We’re lucky in this country that’s it only a section of the public who push this stupid narrative. In the US, its elected officials. It truly is a deranged country over there.

Lives for the political world of an individual at it again in Florida.

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[earl]

That chart is amazing. It's the Delta in action. I know I've upset people but I get angry because that is the consequence of politicizing stuff that shouldn't be politicized.

 

[Tiger5150]

it is even more important that each of us has such an option.


Why do people deserve an option especially those over 70. I don't understand your point of view.

Can you explain it to me ?

Yes, immediately after you explain why they do not deserve the same choices that you have.

If it is a brand preference it must be based on medical advice. The reality is that it's the health advice for a reason. That is why we have GP's to escalate your concerns too.

We don't want to go against the health advice without a good medical reason.

I should add I don't understand the argument not to get vaccinated on a personal level. I accept though that people will choose not to get vaccinated and I accept that is their choice.

Doesn't explain why you should have a choice that others don't.

My parents have both had clotting issues, but don't fit the specific 4 conditions that give them automatic access to Pfizer. They have sought medical advice and as they are 87 & 88 respectively with dementia, as a representative of their children I also spoke to their doctor long ago.

My father has multiple medical episodes during his lifetime, from encephalitis having him go back to begin primary school again as a teenager, first of multiple heart attacks at 40yo, lost count of how many pacemakers/batteries which he is now 100% reliant upon, cancer, replacements, blood and clotting etcetera to spend years in hospitals. In between he has mostly been trojan like that few could keep up with.

A sister has finally been able to make arrangements for an appointment in the coming weeks, but for mine and I am pretty sure most of the community would agree, they should have been able to be vaccinated with their recommended option long ago.

I don't know if some of the elderly that have died in this latest outbreak were in a similar position, but I certainly hope not.

A great example of how a binary approach to this doesn’t work. I hope your parents get the care they need and the vaccine that is best for them.

The decision of what vaccine to get has so many variables such as age, availability, existing medical conditions, adverse reactions, efficacy. To advocate a binary or one size fits all approach is madness and dangerous.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We’re lucky in this country that’s it only a section of the public who push this stupid narrative. In the US, its elected officials. It truly is a deranged country over there.

Lives for the political world of an individual at it again in Florida.

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Could you imagine opposition leaders calling out State Premiers for enforcing masks and fear mongering over the vaccine. It’s beyond words how crazy it is.

 

[Harvey]

4 confirmed cases in the ACT.

Didn’t one of the blokes on here talking about claiming money etc say he has mates regularly driving to Canberra

 

[Tiger5150]

We’re lucky in this country that’s it only a section of the public who push this stupid narrative. In the US, its elected officials. It truly is a deranged country over there.

Lives for the political world of an individual at it again in Florida.

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Could you imagine opposition leaders calling out State Premiers for enforcing masks and fear mongering over the vaccine. It’s beyond words how crazy it is.

Is that accurate? My understanding that DeBlasio is against masking but pro vaccination.