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@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442321) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442314) said:
it is even more important that each of us has such an option.


Why do people deserve an option especially those over 70. I don't understand your point of view.

Can you explain it to me ?

Because people over 70 might have issues that could the AZ vaccine might complicate. They could have pre-existing clotting conditions that might compound the side effects that the AZ vaccine can cause, albeit it rare.

I would hope those people are speaking to their GP's about risk, but at the end of the day, if they want to wait for Pfizer instead of not being vaccinated at all, that is their choice, and at least they are still choosing to be vaccinated in the long term.
 
@swag_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442234) said:
I guess people who aren't vaccinated won't be going to Europe as they have already started the vaccine passports there.

I didnt know that. Then will make sure i get the Vac passport cause u cant wait to go back to Croatia and other parts of Europe. Went in 2019 how lucky was that!
 
Let's face it, we're not going to reach the point where people are forcibly held down and poked with a needle (unless the T-virus from Resident Evil becomes an actual thing), so if someone has health concerns around being vaccinated, or doesn't believe in being vaccinated, well that's something, they, the government, and society in general are going to have to deal with and the effects will be felt for years to come.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink is probably the best analogy here. I just hope people make their decision based on sound medical advice. For those that go unvaccinated, no hard feelings here, I just wish them the best of luck if they contract COVID because it's no laughing matter.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442332) said:
@jedi_tiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442284) said:
my friend booked in for Pfizer for today waited 2 hours and then was told she was not getting vaccinated as she was not from a hotspot LGA
I wonder why she was allowed to book then

That is just wrong. On all levels.

Need to check phone if Confirmation of appointment sms was issued. But in saying that is no system that would work 100% of time. I wonderful what the discussion was for theor to be a 2 hr wait. On my first visit there was as issue with the booking. Took about 10 mins to sort out. Almost didnt have it but knew what was happening at all times. Sorry to hear. Different People’s amd different procedura at different locations. Pity.
 
@willow said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442364) said:
Let's face it, we're not going to reach the point where people are forcibly held down and poked with a needle (unless the T-virus from Resident Evil becomes an actual thing), so if someone has health concerns around being vaccinated, or doesn't believe in being vaccinated, well that's something, they, the government, and society in general are going to have to deal with and the effects will be felt for years to come.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink is probably the best analogy here. I just hope people make their decision based on sound medical advice. For those that go unvaccinated, no hard feelings here, I just wish them the best of luck if they contract COVID because it's no laughing matter.

True.

I feel in time that effects of the vaccine, or lack thereof, will be known (there is a decade of data on mRNA vaccines anyway, despite what mRNA vaccine sceptics are saying,) and the bulk of those people who wish not to get vaccinated on personal grounds will eventually do the same, and you'll be left with just hardcore anti-vaxxers and the few that will object on religious grounds who will not be vaccinated, and they will be an miniscule part of the population.
 
Amazing that after all this time and knowledge gained, that this afternoon in Canberra we again have checkout lines all the way down aisles of supermarkets and a rush on dunny rolls.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442393) said:
Mass vaccination hub to be set up in Penrith, at the Baptist Church in Caddens. Will have the AZ vaccine.

Well that's something at least, although I suspect once Moderna hits the street, there will be plenty lining up for that, particularly the younger demographic.
 
Credit to the people at Lakemba. The queue outside the Mosque, which is set up as a vaccination centre, was huge at 6:30am the other day. Stretched as far as the eye could see.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442299) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442297) said:
@willow said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442288) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442253) said:
@papacito said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442247) said:
The next six months will be really interesting.

CEO at my work is looking to bring in a 'no jab, no job' policy once the laws support it

I've also heard my gym is planning on making vaccination a condition of membership.

The first step should be zero Covid 19 in the community, not discrimination on the basis of who has or hasn't had the vaccine.

Never going to happen under current circumstances - unless there is a hard closure of Australia's border, COVID will continue to enter the country, and based on the ease of transmission with the Delta variant, no lockdown measures in place will stop the spread.

NSW will be isolated from the remainder of Australia. I can imagine no other State opening its borders to NSW until there is zero Covid in the community. Perrotet and the PM will have to suck up the lockdown and its impact on business.

Once the vaccination rates get to the appropriate levels I doubt any state will be looking at zero case levels.

What's that appropriate though..?

I saw a Dr on ACA say that the counties with the highest vac rates in the world ..Isreal and Iceland I think still have increasing cases ...
 
@geo said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442406) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442299) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442297) said:
@willow said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442288) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442253) said:
@papacito said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442247) said:
The next six months will be really interesting.

CEO at my work is looking to bring in a 'no jab, no job' policy once the laws support it

I've also heard my gym is planning on making vaccination a condition of membership.

The first step should be zero Covid 19 in the community, not discrimination on the basis of who has or hasn't had the vaccine.

Never going to happen under current circumstances - unless there is a hard closure of Australia's border, COVID will continue to enter the country, and based on the ease of transmission with the Delta variant, no lockdown measures in place will stop the spread.

NSW will be isolated from the remainder of Australia. I can imagine no other State opening its borders to NSW until there is zero Covid in the community. Perrotet and the PM will have to suck up the lockdown and its impact on business.

Once the vaccination rates get to the appropriate levels I doubt any state will be looking at zero case levels.

What's that appropriate though..?

I saw a Dr on ACA say that the counties with the highest vac rates in the world ..Isreal and Iceland I think still have increasing cases ...

Personally I'm hoping we hit 80%, at that point the strategy changes limiting and counting cases.
 
@geo said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442406) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442299) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442297) said:
@willow said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442288) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442253) said:
@papacito said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442247) said:
The next six months will be really interesting.

CEO at my work is looking to bring in a 'no jab, no job' policy once the laws support it

I've also heard my gym is planning on making vaccination a condition of membership.

The first step should be zero Covid 19 in the community, not discrimination on the basis of who has or hasn't had the vaccine.

Never going to happen under current circumstances - unless there is a hard closure of Australia's border, COVID will continue to enter the country, and based on the ease of transmission with the Delta variant, no lockdown measures in place will stop the spread.

NSW will be isolated from the remainder of Australia. I can imagine no other State opening its borders to NSW until there is zero Covid in the community. Perrotet and the PM will have to suck up the lockdown and its impact on business.

Once the vaccination rates get to the appropriate levels I doubt any state will be looking at zero case levels.

What's that appropriate though..?

'At least' 70%.

I saw a Dr on ACA say that the counties with the highest vac rates in the world ..Isreal and Iceland I think still have increasing cases ...

Cases are irrelevant once the vax threshold has been reached. Serious illness/hospitalisation is the figure that's important. Israel are still only mid 60s percentage wise. Even at that percentage the percentage with serious symptoms/hospitalisation of vaccinated people is near zero.

This time next year nobody is even counting 'cases'.
 
Again, don't take my word for it, here's the modelling direct from the Doherty Institute that was provided to National Cabinet to start assessing the country's future options:

https://www.doherty.edu.au/news-events/news/doherty-institute-modelling-report-for-national-cabinet

http://www.doherty.edu.au/uploads/content_doc/DohertyModelling_NationalPlan_including_adendmum.pdf
 
@mike said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442400) said:
Credit to the people at Lakemba. The queue outside the Mosque, which is set up as a vaccination centre, was huge at 6:30am the other day. Stretched as far as the eye could see.

Yeah, news that balances the situation. Just like elsewhere, the vast majority are doing their bit for the common good.
 
We’re lucky in this country that’s it only a section of the public who push this stupid narrative. In the US, its elected officials. It truly is a deranged country over there.
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442358) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442321) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442314) said:
it is even more important that each of us has such an option.


Why do people deserve an option especially those over 70. I don't understand your point of view.

Can you explain it to me ?

Because people over 70 might have issues that could the AZ vaccine might complicate. They could have pre-existing clotting conditions that might compound the side effects that the AZ vaccine can cause, albeit it rare.

I would hope those people are speaking to their GP's about risk, but at the end of the day, if they want to wait for Pfizer instead of not being vaccinated at all, that is their choice, and at least they are still choosing to be vaccinated in the long term.

Awesome. I agree. If there is some special pre-existing condition that is a really good reason. I completely agree with your post here.

There are going to be some specific situations that we should be prioritizing people in that category.

It should though be a medical based decision. It shouldn't be a personal brand name preference. It's the standard health advice for a reason.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442343) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442321) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442314) said:
it is even more important that each of us has such an option.


Why do people deserve an option especially those over 70. I don't understand your point of view.

Can you explain it to me ?

Yes, immediately after you explain why they do not deserve the same choices that you have.

If it is a brand preference it must be based on medical advice. The reality is that it's the health advice for a reason. That is why we have GP's to escalate your concerns too.

We don't want to go against the health advice without a good medical reason.

I should add I don't understand the argument not to get vaccinated on a personal level. I accept though that people will choose not to get vaccinated and I accept that is their choice.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442422) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442358) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442321) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442314) said:
it is even more important that each of us has such an option.


Why do people deserve an option especially those over 70. I don't understand your point of view.

Can you explain it to me ?

Because people over 70 might have issues that could the AZ vaccine might complicate. They could have pre-existing clotting conditions that might compound the side effects that the AZ vaccine can cause, albeit it rare.

I would hope those people are speaking to their GP's about risk, but at the end of the day, if they want to wait for Pfizer instead of not being vaccinated at all, that is their choice, and at least they are still choosing to be vaccinated in the long term.

Awesome. I agree. If there is some special pre-existing condition that is a really good reason. I completely agree with your post here.

There are going to be some specific situations that we should be prioritizing people in that category.

It should though be a medical based decision. It shouldn't be a personal brand name preference. It's the standard health advice for a reason.

I was told by someone in this thread (in a post that remains) that the "medical community" doesnt care which vaccine individuals get?
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442423) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442343) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442321) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442314) said:
it is even more important that each of us has such an option.


Why do people deserve an option especially those over 70. I don't understand your point of view.

Can you explain it to me ?

Yes, immediately after you explain why they do not deserve the same choices that you have.

If it is a brand preference it must be based on medical advice. The reality is that it's the health advice for a reason. That is why we have GP's to escalate your concerns too.

We don't want to go against the health advice without a good medical reason.

but I was told by someone here with self appointed authority that *"The medical community don’t care about the brand."*?

Im starting to get confused. Have I been misinformed?
 
@willow said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1442364) said:
Let's face it, we're not going to reach the point where people are forcibly held down and poked with a needle (unless the T-virus from Resident Evil becomes an actual thing), so if someone has health concerns around being vaccinated, or doesn't believe in being vaccinated, well that's something, they, the government, and society in general are going to have to deal with and the effects will be felt for years to come.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink is probably the best analogy here. I just hope people make their decision based on sound medical advice. For those that go unvaccinated, no hard feelings here, I just wish them the best of luck if they contract COVID because it's no laughing matter.

I reckon it's starting to be pretty clear now. We just got to accept the situation and move forward as best as we can.
 
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