Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tiger Beach]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

What point are you trying to prove?

That covid, based on these statistics, is not worthy of the designation of a "pandemic" and does not warrant the draconian measures employed, the destruction of our economy and the loss of freedoms that our forefathers fought wars and died to protect

In my opinion ......

I ran out of down votes on you for the day, so I'm stuck having to respond. A "pandemic" is an epidemic occurring on a scale that crosses international boundaries. Statistics based on a single country would, by definition, never constitute a "pandemic". You might want to look at **all** the data on COVID that qualifies it as a pandemic, like the countries where there have been more than 500,000 deaths, or the 23 countries (including Spain, the USA and Argentina) where more than 10% of the population have been infected, or the 18 countries where more than 2,000/million population have died.

Nobody fought a war so that you wouldn't have to wear a mask and could carry on like a dickhead, that is just an unfortunate side effect of the freedoms that people fought to preserve.

I liked the thumbs down better than the personal abuse, look forward to seeing more when they reload

 

[Tiger Beach]

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"


Intentional misrepresentation.

949 deaths in 18 months under strictest restrictions and lockdowns with restrictions on what people can do and where they can go, wearing masks etc is not comparable in any way to similar numbers of Influenza under zero restrictions.

With no restrictions the deaths would have been in the order of at least 10 x. Be serious mate.

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

It is at best complete garbage and possibly intentional misinformation. Comparing COVID deaths under lockdown to Influenza deaths in an unrestricted society is either rubbish our malicious misinformation. Which were you going for?

Fact

 

[Tiger5150]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

What point are you trying to prove?

That covid, based on these statistics, is not worthy of the designation of a "pandemic" and does not warrant the draconian measures employed, the destruction of our economy and the loss of freedoms that our forefathers fought wars and died to protect

Your "statistics" are completely unuseable. Covid deaths under lockdown vs Influenza in unrestricted society.

 

[Tiger5150]

Data is an awesome way to check your premise.

I think the premise being made is that only .15% of the population will get COVID. Then we have a mortality rate of 2.5%.

If the same .15% percentage of people develop COVID there is no issue. It sort of makes sense.

The problem is I think basically 100% of people will develop COVID. WIth a mortality rate of 2.5% that is a disaster like we will never ever see.

You are assuming the remaining 24,962,000 will all test positively eventually, that feel's a bold projection to me when we sit at 38,000 in a bit over a year and a half

The likelihood that the mortality rate stays at 2.5%, well who knows. It was 3.2% in 2020 but as of today is only at 0.41% for 2021 so it suggests that it is declining

***In my view it is a disaster we will never ever see***

Probably not, thanks exclusively to lockdowns and vaccines. Your point being?

 

[Tiger5150]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

What point are you trying to prove?

That covid, based on these statistics, is not worthy of the designation of a "pandemic" and does not warrant the draconian measures employed, the destruction of our economy and the loss of freedoms that our forefathers fought wars and died to protect

In my opinion ......

What would you have do if you were in there shoes. ?
You know the virus doesn't disappear after an infected person dies right. The deaths have been low because of the countries putting up these measures. They would be higher if we did nothing.

If we have a morality rate of 2.5%, no vaccination and 100% of people developing COVID there would be over 600k dead in Australia ?

Is that acceptable ?

It's also a pandemic because we've had a massive amount of deaths across the world from a new virus. I am pretty sure that classifies this as a pandemic.

The virus wouldn't just disappear either. It would keep circulating.

Not if we get 100% infection and 600K deaths, the virus would burn out. It is not a sentient being, it relies on a pool of recipeints.

 

[Tiger Beach]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

What point are you trying to prove?

That covid, based on these statistics, is not worthy of the designation of a "pandemic" and does not warrant the draconian measures employed, the destruction of our economy and the loss of freedoms that our forefathers fought wars and died to protect

Your "statistics" are completely unuseable. Covid deaths under lockdown vs Influenza in unrestricted society.

In my opinion ......

Perhaps but unfortunately they are the statistics that are out there and the majority of what I was pointing out in relation to the covid numbers I quoted didn't need the influenza numbers, which I didn't quantify, to support the point I was trying to make

 

[TillLindemann]

17 new cases in DubVegas, damn 🙁

 

[TillLindemann]

949 deaths in 18 months under strictest restrictions and lockdowns with restrictions on what people can do and where they can go, wearing masks etc is not comparable in any way to similar numbers of Influenza under zero restrictions.
With no restrictions the deaths would have been in the order of at least 10 x. Be serious mate.

Excellent point.

 

[Tiger5150]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

What point are you trying to prove?

That covid, based on these statistics, is not worthy of the designation of a "pandemic" and does not warrant the draconian measures employed, the destruction of our economy and the loss of freedoms that our forefathers fought wars and died to protect

Your "statistics" are completely unuseable. Covid deaths under lockdown vs Influenza in unrestricted society.

In my opinion ......

Perhaps but unfortunately they are the statistics that are out there and the majority of what I was pointing out in relation to the covid numbers I quoted didn't need the influenza numbers, which I didn't quantify, to support the point I was trying to make

If I am understanding your point correctly you are saying the COVID deaths are comparable to Influenza deaths?

If so then my original point remains. Annual influenza deaths with no societal restrictions are usually around 800. If we had no lockdowns etc the COVID deaths would be 100's x this. Surely you see this? They are NOT comparable on that basis.

Where comparisons with Influenza are valid (IMO) is when we get to around 80% fully vaxxed and then we decide how we are going to live in the future. IMO then it is valid to consider that pre-covid we all lived our lives blissfully unaware that 800-1200 people a year were dying of Influenza and didnt have daily press conferences or online counters, let alone lockdowns. Is that the way we will live in the future?

 

[TheDaBoss]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn’t take it easy on anyone. It not like it’s going to feel bad about infecting anyone.

Haven't seen the stats on mask wearer infections v no-mask wearers BUT .....

....... with 38,000 cases in a bit over a year and a half from a population of 25 million even if there were no double ups that's a 0.15% chance of testing positive or 1 in 655

And from that relatively small group 97.5% recover

Do those percentages taking out the 70 years old and above and it's miniscule

949 deaths in 18+ months is not out of step with a normal year's flu deaths although apparently, as even Dan said the other day, "there is virtually no colds or flu around at the moment"

Nothing in the above is opinion, it's simply based on the stats out there for all to see and comments from a recent Victorian press conference

What point are you trying to prove?

That covid, based on these statistics, is not worthy of the designation of a "pandemic" and does not warrant the draconian measures employed, the destruction of our economy and the loss of freedoms that our forefathers fought wars and died to protect

Your "statistics" are completely unuseable. Covid deaths under lockdown vs Influenza in unrestricted society.

In my opinion ......

Perhaps but unfortunately they are the statistics that are out there and the majority of what I was pointing out in relation to the covid numbers I quoted didn't need the influenza numbers, which I didn't quantify, to support the point I was trying to make

If I am understanding your point correctly you are saying the COVID deaths are comparable to Influenza deaths?

If so then my original point remains. Annual influenza deaths with no societal restrictions are usually around 800. If we had no lockdowns etc the COVID deaths would be 100's x this. Surely you see this? They are NOT comparable on that basis.

Where comparisons with Influenza are valid (IMO) is when we get to around 80% fully vaxxed and then we decide how we are going to live in the future. IMO then it is valid to consider that pre-covid we all lived our lives blissfully unaware that 800-1200 people a year were dying of Influenza and didnt have daily press conferences or online counters, let alone lockdowns. Is that the way we will live in the future?

In the furture we will look back and think about juet how bad it could of been if we didnt get vaccinated, lockdown etc

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

So this new Moderna vax.
Apparently it's in the final stages of approval from TGA, or whichever Gov't body approves these things.
Anyway, still not approved, but the doses will arrive in Australia in a few days.
Nothing suspicious there. All above board.
The speed at which these vaxes are approved, and the speed at which the good and compassionate folks that make Moderna can ship this stuff internationally in a matter of days during a pandemic ( when international shipping is a lucky dip ), is indeed heartwarming. What nice people. Taking a punt on millions of dollars worth of their product, without even knowing if it's approved or not. Cough cough.
But not suspicious at all.
Hey, maybe Mr Moderna took that dump in the regional sewerage plant ?

Moderna has been used in the US for ages. My sister and her husband were among the first to be vaccinated in California as he is a special needs teacher.

 

[gregjm87]

With NSW showing no signs of getting the virus under control with current measures just curious how people would feel about 2 weeks of essentially martial law. Noone allowed outside (beside health professionals/military/police for any non health reason) with very severe penalties for anyone who breaches this. Followed by another week or 2 under current conditions to assess if this has proven effective in stopping the spread? (Obviously give people a week to stock up supplies or something beforehand plus have military to distribute supplies where needed)
I think it is the only action left if we are to return to zero covid this year.

 

[innsaneink]

Itd be a hectic week beforehand

 

[TillLindemann]

With NSW showing no signs of getting the virus under control with current measures just curious how people would feel about 2 weeks of essentially martial law. Noone allowed outside (beside health professionals/military/police for any non health reason) with very severe penalties for anyone who breaches this. Followed by another week or 2 under current conditions to assess if this has proven effective in stopping the spread? (Obviously give people a week to stock up supplies or something beforehand plus have military to distribute supplies where needed)
I think it is the only action left if we are to return to zero covid this year.

I'd be all for it. An extremely strict lockdown that only goes for a couple of weeks would be infinitely preferable to a half-ar$#&d one that just drags on and on because it is too lax to achieve anything.

 

[Guest]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn't take it easy on anyone. It not like it's doing to feel bad about infecting anyone.

I think masks are mostly about protecting others.

I see heaps of people walking outside without a mask or a mask around their neck. I even see groups of people walking together. I'm in a locked down LGA. I don't think wearing a mask outdoors while going on a walk is helping anyone but it shows to me how people just don't care.

I live close to Wentworth Point and when I walk to Wentworth point I notice the people who don't seem to care more. It's also packed full of units. It honestly looks like a powder keg to me right now.

I just heard Gladys state 70% fully vaccinated by end of October and 80% by November based on current numbers. I hope that happens because I can't see these lockdowns working for much longer than that.

I don't see the lockdowns working now - people have continued to travel and defy health advice for weeks off the back of the Delta strain outbreak. Gladys has nothing left in her arsenal other than vaccination. The worst of this is yet to come. As we come out of lockdown, the death rates will climb dramatically when the unvaccinated get hit with this virus, and some vaccinated people will also unfortunately perish.

 

[earl]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn't take it easy on anyone. It not like it's doing to feel bad about infecting anyone.

I think masks are mostly about protecting others.

I see heaps of people walking outside without a mask or a mask around their neck. I even see groups of people walking together. I'm in a locked down LGA. I don't think wearing a mask outdoors while going on a walk is helping anyone but it shows to me how people just don't care.

I live close to Wentworth Point and when I walk to Wentworth point I notice the people who don't seem to care more. It's also packed full of units. It honestly looks like a powder keg to me right now.

I just heard Gladys state 70% fully vaccinated by end of October and 80% by November based on current numbers. I hope that happens because I can't see these lockdowns working for much longer than that.

I don't see the lockdowns working now - people have continued to travel and defy health advice for weeks off the back of the Delta strain outbreak. Gladys has nothing left in her arsenal other than vaccination. The worst of this is yet to come. As we come out of lockdown, the death rates will climb dramatically when the unvaccinated get hit with this virus, and some vaccinated people will also unfortunately perish.

It's not good. I don't know what you can do. I hate to say it but I don't see anything fixing this. Vaccinations will make this less bad.

 

[Tiger5150]

Some people may have exemptions on wearing a mask but COVID doesn't take it easy on anyone. It not like it's doing to feel bad about infecting anyone.

I think masks are mostly about protecting others.

I see heaps of people walking outside without a mask or a mask around their neck. I even see groups of people walking together. I'm in a locked down LGA. I don't think wearing a mask outdoors while going on a walk is helping anyone but it shows to me how people just don't care.

I live close to Wentworth Point and when I walk to Wentworth point I notice the people who don't seem to care more. It's also packed full of units. It honestly looks like a powder keg to me right now.

I just heard Gladys state 70% fully vaccinated by end of October and 80% by November based on current numbers. I hope that happens because I can't see these lockdowns working for much longer than that.
I don't see the lockdowns working now - people have continued to travel and defy health advice for weeks off the back of the Delta strain outbreak. Gladys has nothing left in her arsenal other than vaccination.

IMO the lockdowns ARE working now, just not getting us back to zero (probably never will again). The lockdowns are however restricting the numbers contracting the virus and the numbers are growing but very slowly. This means that the number of people infectious out in the community is probably in the order of 300-500 (maybe up to 1000...guess on my part) which mean that in the big scheme of things we are still on a daily basis unlikely to catch it.

All we can do now IMO is restrict number to keep the probability of infection as low as possible as we all get vaxxed.

The worst of this is yet to come. As we come out of lockdown, the death rates will climb dramatically when the unvaccinated get hit with this virus, and some vaccinated people will also unfortunately perish.

I cant see lockdowns ending until we are 70-80% vaxxed and then at that stage this will be our new normal.

 

[tigger]

With NSW showing no signs of getting the virus under control with current measures just curious how people would feel about 2 weeks of essentially martial law. Noone allowed outside (beside health professionals/military/police for any non health reason) with very severe penalties for anyone who breaches this. Followed by another week or 2 under current conditions to assess if this has proven effective in stopping the spread? (Obviously give people a week to stock up supplies or something beforehand plus have military to distribute supplies where needed)
I think it is the only action left if we are to return to zero covid this year.

I think that would only galvanise the anti-lockdown "freedom fighters" into action and create widespread havoc.
The horse has bolted for Sydney. Possibly for all of NSW. It could have been controlled back when it was in the Eastern Suburbs but the government response was too little, too late and too half-hearted. At the moment the lockdown is simply slowing the growth in infection numbers and allowing the vaccination program to catch up.
A successful vaccination program is the only hope now. I think it's too late to pull the infection numbers back through lockdown.
From my perspective the half-hearted lockdown initiated by the NSW government has sent the wrong message to the people of NSW. If the government weren't prepared to take the pandemic deadly seriously, why would you expect anyone else to?

 

[Geo]

Scotty from Marketing is using pretty graphs..

 

[voice_of_reason]

With NSW showing no signs of getting the virus under control with current measures just curious how people would feel about 2 weeks of essentially martial law. Noone allowed outside (beside health professionals/military/police for any non health reason) with very severe penalties for anyone who breaches this.

This is exactly what we need to do. I exercise twice a day (I'd hate to lose it) but the vast majority of people ignoring the rules do so under the guise of 'exercise'. Large family groups meeting while the kids play on the swings, 7 or 8 people doing a boot camp, 5 or 6 people walking together without masks. I see it every day.

For two weeks we can survive without outside exercise. I believe it should be:

No exercise
No discretionary retails (Bunnings, Ikea etc). Trade only for Bunnings.
Close all takeaway, cafes etc
Limit essential work to truly essential work (police, health, fire, ambo, SES, food retail, finance, media etc).
No mask fine - $3,000
Other health breach - $10,000
You only leave home for health, vaccination or food/fuel
Curfew's aren't needed, all the people I see doing the wrong thing are doing it in the middle of the day.

After two weeks everyone who is going to catch COVID will be infected. From there it's like a blank canvas and the contact tracers won't be chasing their tales and dealing with people telling lies about where they've been.

I'd much rather two weeks of misery than 4 months of getting nowhere. We're worse off now than when the lockdowns started.