Coronavirus Outbreak

[swag_tiger]

What are going to be the reactions from the people who are apparently fighting for our "freedom" when they hear that there will be different restrictions for the vaxxed and non-vaxxed.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

What are going to be the reactions from the people who are apparently fighting for our "freedom" when they hear that there will be different restrictions for the vaxxed and non-vaxxed.

Oh well, that's their choice as they like to remind everyone.

So really, who cares what their reactions are?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The priority booking page for young adults aged 16-39 living in an LGA of concern to access Pfizer vaccine has just gone live and can be found here:

https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/health-and-wellbeing/covid-19-vaccination-nsw/priority-covid-19-vaccination-booking-for-16

The majority of people with COVID-19 in NSW are under 40. To reduce the spread of the virus, people aged 16 to 39 living in areas of concern can now access priority vaccination appointments.

People aged 16 to 39 who are residents of the following local government areas and suburbs can access priority vaccination appointments:

Bayside
Blacktown
Burwood
Campbelltown
Canterbury-Bankstown
Cumberland
Fairfield
Georges River
Liverpool
Parramatta
Penrith
Strathfield

That is a good initiative but Pfizer vaccine should be available to all in that age range regardless of where you live.

When it's in limited supply, it should be directed to the areas in most dire need first.

The priority booking page for young adults aged 16-39 living in an LGA of concern to access Pfizer vaccine has just gone live and can be found here:

https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/health-and-wellbeing/covid-19-vaccination-nsw/priority-covid-19-vaccination-booking-for-16

The majority of people with COVID-19 in NSW are under 40. To reduce the spread of the virus, people aged 16 to 39 living in areas of concern can now access priority vaccination appointments.

People aged 16 to 39 who are residents of the following local government areas and suburbs can access priority vaccination appointments:

Bayside
Blacktown
Burwood
Campbelltown
Canterbury-Bankstown
Cumberland
Fairfield
Georges River
Liverpool
Parramatta
Penrith
Strathfield

That is a good initiative but Pfizer vaccine should be available to all in that age range regardless of where you live.

When it's in limited supply, it should be directed to the areas in most dire need first.

What about construction workers in that age group living outside of high priority areas required to work in Sydney LGA? There 50 to 60 cases reported there yesterday. I classify those workers high priority.

I wouldn't classify construction as absolutely necessary compared to mitigating the spread in the hotspot LGAs. And I work in the construction industry.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Quick Question -

Do you guys know if I'm permitted to go for Motorbike ride for my mental health?

You know you cannot. Be safe and stay at home. I'm with you as I want to drive my RX.

Yes he can if he stays in his LGA.

 

[voice_of_reason]

@truetiger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1447834):
>....If you read my other posts I have had blood clotting history and want to assure myself some form of safety...

FWIW, I'm in the same position as you having a lengthy history of serious blood clotting issues. I wanted to make sure I was being as safe as possible and sought advice from a couple of Doctors. One said it was fine, the other said no (to AZ).

After a few weeks I called the second Doctor again and he conceded the risk from Delta was simply too high to ignore and to get the AZ. It's about risk mitigation and the risk of dying from COVID is far and away higher than dying from a vaccine.

I had my second shot today. Apart from the common side effects of chills, headache and fatigue (after the first dose) I'm fine. I believe the clotting issue has been greatly over-stated and the statistics provide evidence of such.

I'm not bothered whether you get it or not, but concern about clotting - which is a very different type of clotting to typical DVT/PE etc - is not a justifiable reason to abstain.

Just be aware you're creating risk for yourself, your family and anyone with whom you might make contact.

 

[jadtiger]

What are going to be the reactions from the people who are apparently fighting for our "freedom" when they hear that there will be different restrictions for the vaxxed and non-vaxxed.

Oh well, that's their choice as they like to remind everyone.

So really, who cares what their reactions are?

I am not trying to be a smart arse but ceasing to be alive is a possibility for some of them.Not that i would wish that on them, but i do care for others who could contract covid because of their stupidity

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Not sure on the virus issue alone

**I reckon it's pretty rough to blame her for the virus and call it a spectacular fail**.

Off topic but you'd love my son. He watches that Jordy or whatever his name is and hates Gladys.

I don't think anyone can blame Gladys for the virus.

She is to blame for the state wide response to the virus though. She had a real life test case in Victoria to draw on but instead talked about gold standard contact tracing and keeping citizens of NSW safe. Remember that? The soft lockdown approach has now cost lives and 600 cases a day. She is incompetent and going on todays media questioning, if she has gone against her medical advisors recommendations for stronger lockdowns, add negligent.

Well said.

To misquote the Irish:
God created the virus (ok some say the Chinese). Gladys created the crisis.

I don't really care about this but I can't see how she can really be blamed. Happy to be convinced otherwise.

Here is the thing restrictions were implemented to my knowledge on 23rd June. I think there were 16 cases at this point.

On the 26th June harder more restrictions were introduced. There were 11 cases and 17 the following day.

Dr Chant is not going against Gladys or at least to my knowledge. She recognizes the situation isn't black or white. I suppose that is all I'm stating.

**I accept this is a disaster and we should have locked down earlier. I don't think anyone can argue against this. I'm just not as harsh a judge on this in relation to blaming the government**.

I just think people and that means you and me and all of us sometimes don't do the right thing and then we end up where we are now.

I should add I'm not political and I typically vote Labour.


So who is to blame for the disaster? Either the Premier ignored the medical advice or the Medical advisors dropped the ball knowing full well what not doing a hard lockdown from the start can lead to?

It is black and white. We are a 16 months in and knew the delta was a more aggressive variant. Victoria has shown that hard lockdown slows the rate but in NSW I could still go out and buy a BBQ.

Scomo is to blame for the disaster. Utter quarantine failure by the Feds. She’ll be right, the States can just use unfit for purpose hotel quarantine. It was eventually going to fail and it has. Then you have the vaccine rollout, again it was the Feds responsibility to acquire the appropriate vaccines at the right time. Then you have the Delta strain, without appropriate quarantine still. Sure Gladys has failed in this latest outbreak but the root cause is with the failure of Scomo from marketing.

we had plenty of AZ but poorly taken at the start
if Dr Young had not have bashed AZ things might have been a bit different
The Labor supporters are desperate to death ride Morrison but can't blame him for the states controlling lockdown.
We will see come election time I guess

Nothing to do with Dr Young, the Gevt takes its advice from The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) who made the decision to recommend the COVID-19 vaccine by Pfizer (Comirnaty) as preferred in adults aged under 60 years. It remains the advice.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/learn-about-covid-19-vaccines/about-the-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine#atagi-advice-on-covid19-astrazeneca-vaccine

Brisbane times 3rd August 2021

After Dr Young’s appearance at the media conference on Monday, ATAGI reiterated its stance that people under 60 should consider getting the AstraZeneca jab if their GP gave the go-ahead.

That prompted a rebuke from her federal colleague, Deputy Chief Medical Officer Michael Kidd, who said the current Queensland outbreak met the definition from the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation of a “significant” outbreak and therefore the risk profile of offering the AstraZeneca vaccine had changed

Jeannette Young has come under fire from interstate and federal authorities over her stance on the AstraZeneca vaccine, which she has said should not be used by anyone under 40 and only by those under 60 after speaking to their GP.
“ATAGI reaffirms previous advice that in a large outbreak, the benefits of the COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca are greater than the risk of rare side-effects for all age groups,” the organisation said in a statement.

 

[Tiger5150]

Not sure on the virus issue alone

**I reckon it's pretty rough to blame her for the virus and call it a spectacular fail**.

Off topic but you'd love my son. He watches that Jordy or whatever his name is and hates Gladys.

I don't think anyone can blame Gladys for the virus.

She is to blame for the state wide response to the virus though. She had a real life test case in Victoria to draw on but instead talked about gold standard contact tracing and keeping citizens of NSW safe. Remember that? The soft lockdown approach has now cost lives and 600 cases a day. She is incompetent and going on todays media questioning, if she has gone against her medical advisors recommendations for stronger lockdowns, add negligent.

Well said.

To misquote the Irish:
God created the virus (ok some say the Chinese). Gladys created the crisis.

I don't really care about this but I can't see how she can really be blamed. Happy to be convinced otherwise.

Here is the thing restrictions were implemented to my knowledge on 23rd June. I think there were 16 cases at this point.

On the 26th June harder more restrictions were introduced. There were 11 cases and 17 the following day.

Dr Chant is not going against Gladys or at least to my knowledge. She recognizes the situation isn't black or white. I suppose that is all I'm stating.

**I accept this is a disaster and we should have locked down earlier. I don't think anyone can argue against this. I'm just not as harsh a judge on this in relation to blaming the government**.

I just think people and that means you and me and all of us sometimes don't do the right thing and then we end up where we are now.

I should add I'm not political and I typically vote Labour.


So who is to blame for the disaster? Either the Premier ignored the medical advice or the Medical advisors dropped the ball knowing full well what not doing a hard lockdown from the start can lead to?

It is black and white. We are a 16 months in and knew the delta was a more aggressive variant. Victoria has shown that hard lockdown slows the rate but in NSW I could still go out and buy a BBQ.

Scomo is to blame for the disaster. Utter quarantine failure by the Feds. She’ll be right, the States can just use unfit for purpose hotel quarantine. It was eventually going to fail and it has. Then you have the vaccine rollout, again it was the Feds responsibility to acquire the appropriate vaccines at the right time. Then you have the Delta strain, without appropriate quarantine still. Sure Gladys has failed in this latest outbreak but the root cause is with the failure of Scomo from marketing.

we had plenty of AZ but poorly taken at the start
if Dr Young had not have bashed AZ things might have been a bit different
The Labor supporters are desperate to death ride Morrison but can't blame him for the states controlling lockdown.
We will see come election time I guess

Nothing to do with Dr Young, the Gevt takes its advice from The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) who made the decision to recommend the COVID-19 vaccine by Pfizer (Comirnaty) as preferred in adults aged under 60 years. It remains the advice.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/learn-about-covid-19-vaccines/about-the-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine#atagi-advice-on-covid19-astrazeneca-vaccine

Brisbane times 3rd August 2021

After Dr Young’s appearance at the media conference on Monday, ATAGI reiterated its stance that people under 60 should consider getting the AstraZeneca jab if their GP gave the go-ahead.

That prompted a rebuke from her federal colleague, Deputy Chief Medical Officer Michael Kidd, who said the current Queensland outbreak met the definition from the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation of a “significant” outbreak and therefore the risk profile of offering the AstraZeneca vaccine had changed

Jeannette Young has come under fire from interstate and federal authorities over her stance on the AstraZeneca vaccine, which she has said should not be used by anyone under 40 and only by those under 60 after speaking to their GP.
“ATAGI reaffirms previous advice that in a large outbreak, the benefits of the COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca are greater than the risk of rare side-effects for all age groups,” the organisation said in a statement.

Two things can be true at once.

The ***current*** recommendation from the federal department of Health is that *"ATAGI recommends the COVID-19 vaccine by Pfizer (Comirnaty) is **preferred** in adults aged under 60 years. "*

*"ATAGI also recommends adults under the age of 60 **who do not have immediate access** to the Pfizer vaccine **should consider** the benefits and risks of earlier protection through the AstraZeneca vaccine."*

Nothing is binary. The GOVT is taking advice from ATAGI, not Dr Young. The current advice is still that under 60's should get PFizer however as part of the risk / benefit analysis they should assess the risk of waiting vs the benefit / risk of AZ.

It is disingenuious to simplify to a binary. All of these considerations are part of it.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Not sure on the virus issue alone

**I reckon it's pretty rough to blame her for the virus and call it a spectacular fail**.

Off topic but you'd love my son. He watches that Jordy or whatever his name is and hates Gladys.

I don't think anyone can blame Gladys for the virus.

She is to blame for the state wide response to the virus though. She had a real life test case in Victoria to draw on but instead talked about gold standard contact tracing and keeping citizens of NSW safe. Remember that? The soft lockdown approach has now cost lives and 600 cases a day. She is incompetent and going on todays media questioning, if she has gone against her medical advisors recommendations for stronger lockdowns, add negligent.

Well said.

To misquote the Irish:
God created the virus (ok some say the Chinese). Gladys created the crisis.

I don't really care about this but I can't see how she can really be blamed. Happy to be convinced otherwise.

Here is the thing restrictions were implemented to my knowledge on 23rd June. I think there were 16 cases at this point.

On the 26th June harder more restrictions were introduced. There were 11 cases and 17 the following day.

Dr Chant is not going against Gladys or at least to my knowledge. She recognizes the situation isn't black or white. I suppose that is all I'm stating.

**I accept this is a disaster and we should have locked down earlier. I don't think anyone can argue against this. I'm just not as harsh a judge on this in relation to blaming the government**.

I just think people and that means you and me and all of us sometimes don't do the right thing and then we end up where we are now.

I should add I'm not political and I typically vote Labour.


So who is to blame for the disaster? Either the Premier ignored the medical advice or the Medical advisors dropped the ball knowing full well what not doing a hard lockdown from the start can lead to?

It is black and white. We are a 16 months in and knew the delta was a more aggressive variant. Victoria has shown that hard lockdown slows the rate but in NSW I could still go out and buy a BBQ.

Scomo is to blame for the disaster. Utter quarantine failure by the Feds. She’ll be right, the States can just use unfit for purpose hotel quarantine. It was eventually going to fail and it has. Then you have the vaccine rollout, again it was the Feds responsibility to acquire the appropriate vaccines at the right time. Then you have the Delta strain, without appropriate quarantine still. Sure Gladys has failed in this latest outbreak but the root cause is with the failure of Scomo from marketing.

we had plenty of AZ but poorly taken at the start
if Dr Young had not have bashed AZ things might have been a bit different
The Labor supporters are desperate to death ride Morrison but can't blame him for the states controlling lockdown.
We will see come election time I guess

Nothing to do with Dr Young, the Gevt takes its advice from The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) who made the decision to recommend the COVID-19 vaccine by Pfizer (Comirnaty) as preferred in adults aged under 60 years. It remains the advice.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/learn-about-covid-19-vaccines/about-the-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine#atagi-advice-on-covid19-astrazeneca-vaccine

Brisbane times 3rd August 2021

After Dr Young’s appearance at the media conference on Monday, ATAGI reiterated its stance that people under 60 should consider getting the AstraZeneca jab if their GP gave the go-ahead.

That prompted a rebuke from her federal colleague, Deputy Chief Medical Officer Michael Kidd, who said the current Queensland outbreak met the definition from the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation of a “significant” outbreak and therefore the risk profile of offering the AstraZeneca vaccine had changed

Jeannette Young has come under fire from interstate and federal authorities over her stance on the AstraZeneca vaccine, which she has said should not be used by anyone under 40 and only by those under 60 after speaking to their GP.
“ATAGI reaffirms previous advice that in a large outbreak, the benefits of the COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca are greater than the risk of rare side-effects for all age groups,” the organisation said in a statement.

Two things can be true at once.

The ***current*** recommendation from the federal department of Health is that *"ATAGI recommends the COVID-19 vaccine by Pfizer (Comirnaty) is **preferred** in adults aged under 60 years. "*

*"ATAGI also recommends adults under the age of 60 **who do not have immediate access** to the Pfizer vaccine **should consider** the benefits and risks of earlier protection through the AstraZeneca vaccine."*

Nothing is binary. The GOVT is taking advice from ATAGI, not Dr Young. The current advice is still that under 60's should get PFizer however as part of the risk / benefit analysis they should assess the risk of waiting vs the benefit / risk of AZ.

It is disingenuious to simplify to a binary. All of these considerations are part of it.

Dr Young said no people under 60 then changed to quote atagi the next day
hopefully as the Govenor she gives clearer advice

 

[swag_tiger]

How long are people going to push this notive that the vaccines are experimental substances. This can not be further from the truth.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Quick Question -

Do you guys know if I'm permitted to go for Motorbike ride for my mental health?

You know you cannot. Be safe and stay at home. I'm with you as I want to drive my RX.

Yes he can if he stays in his LGA.

Here are the list of reasonable excuses for leaving home. Of course you can always try to manufacture a reason to leave but staying at home is the safest option.

https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/rules/greater-sydney#reasonable-excuse-to-leave-home

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The priority booking page for young adults aged 16-39 living in an LGA of concern to access Pfizer vaccine has just gone live and can be found here:

https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/health-and-wellbeing/covid-19-vaccination-nsw/priority-covid-19-vaccination-booking-for-16

The majority of people with COVID-19 in NSW are under 40. To reduce the spread of the virus, people aged 16 to 39 living in areas of concern can now access priority vaccination appointments.

People aged 16 to 39 who are residents of the following local government areas and suburbs can access priority vaccination appointments:

Bayside
Blacktown
Burwood
Campbelltown
Canterbury-Bankstown
Cumberland
Fairfield
Georges River
Liverpool
Parramatta
Penrith
Strathfield

That is a good initiative but Pfizer vaccine should be available to all in that age range regardless of where you live.

When it's in limited supply, it should be directed to the areas in most dire need first.

The priority booking page for young adults aged 16-39 living in an LGA of concern to access Pfizer vaccine has just gone live and can be found here:

https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/health-and-wellbeing/covid-19-vaccination-nsw/priority-covid-19-vaccination-booking-for-16

The majority of people with COVID-19 in NSW are under 40. To reduce the spread of the virus, people aged 16 to 39 living in areas of concern can now access priority vaccination appointments.

People aged 16 to 39 who are residents of the following local government areas and suburbs can access priority vaccination appointments:

Bayside
Blacktown
Burwood
Campbelltown
Canterbury-Bankstown
Cumberland
Fairfield
Georges River
Liverpool
Parramatta
Penrith
Strathfield

That is a good initiative but Pfizer vaccine should be available to all in that age range regardless of where you live.

When it's in limited supply, it should be directed to the areas in most dire need first.

What about construction workers in that age group living outside of high priority areas required to work in Sydney LGA? There 50 to 60 cases reported there yesterday. I classify those workers high priority.

I wouldn't classify construction as absolutely necessary compared to mitigating the spread in the hotspot LGAs. And I work in the construction industry.

The Government does for those living in so-called hotspot areas. A consistent approach for all construction workers should have been implemented.

 

[hank37w]

Glady's got her cranky pants on..

Gladys should have had her smarty pants on and locked down the Eastern Suburbs.

 

[earl]

America appears to be offering booster shoots 8 months post your initial doses. Looks like we are getting a 3rd jab.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Gladys has to act today to avoid a catastrophe. Getting vaccination rates up will not resolve the issue.

 

[AJ1]

>....If you read my other posts I have had blood clotting history and want to assure myself some form of safety...

FWIW, I'm in the same position as you having a lengthy history of serious blood clotting issues. I wanted to make sure I was being as safe as possible and sought advice from a couple of Doctors. One said it was fine, the other said no (to AZ).

After a few weeks I called the second Doctor again and he conceded the risk from Delta was simply too high to ignore and to get the AZ. It's about risk mitigation and the risk of dying from COVID is far and away higher than dying from a vaccine.

I had my second shot today. Apart from the common side effects of chills, headache and fatigue (after the first dose) I'm fine. I believe the clotting issue has been greatly over-stated and the statistics provide evidence of such.

I'm not bothered whether you get it or not, but concern about clotting - which is a very different type of clotting to typical DVT/PE etc - is not a justifiable reason to abstain.

Just be aware you're creating risk for yourself, your family and anyone with whom you might make contact.

Well said, exactly my situation and thoughts, especially with a family history of blood clotting and DVT. My doctor was initially against me getting AZ a few months back, however given the increase in cases and with my wife's work requiring her to interact with the public, it became a logical decision for me which my doctor eventually backed - the risks are:
1 in 2,000,000 chance of developing TTS and dying from Astrazeneca VS 3 in 100 chance of dying from Covid if picked up.

I had my first AZ shot on Mon night, so far so good, I suffered headaches and fatigue on Tue, improved a lot yesterday.
Glad I took the chance rather than waiting until Nov for Pfizer.

 

[innsaneink]

I don't know Wether my company is still restricted by govt in some ways but today we have one staff, lives Doonside usually works at turramurra sites now allowed to work at Meadowbank, but other staff that usually work meadowbank but live in Berala and Lidcombe and one that works in the city /lives Georges River LGA still cannot work
Company's not transparent and clarifying things some staff stuck at home haven't heard a thing in weeks

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Quick Question -

Do you guys know if I'm permitted to go for Motorbike ride for my mental health?

You know you cannot. Be safe and stay at home. I'm with you as I want to drive my RX.

Yes he can if he stays in his LGA.

Here are the list of reasonable excuses for leaving home. Of course you can always try to manufacture a reason to leave but staying at home is the safest option.

https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/rules/greater-sydney#reasonable-excuse-to-leave-home

My mate was pulled over by a cop in the Hawkesbury LGA. He lives there and was riding there and the cop said it was fine as he was in his LGA.

If you don't stop anywhere you are no risk of contracting or spreading the virus. No different to exercising.

 

[hank37w]

Lift up your hearts everybody.. Thanks Mr Scomo..

It's not a race and I believe in miracles.

 

[hank37w]

if you don't get the vaccine you probably won't be allowed into Canada, Europe or America. Won't suprise me if all states here start to implement this sooner or later.

Would be happy just to be allowed to get out of my LGA at the moment.