Coronavirus Outbreak

[hank37w]

Double standards abound.


Serious question.

Why is this double standards? If I can walk up to my local park, if my local park is a beach, why would it be a double standard to be on the beach? Or on a SUP for that matter? Probably the safest place in Sydney out on the water.

Without going through the picture in great detail the first thing i noticed is that there are three board riders paddling together. You are only allowed to gather in groups of two. The second thing I saw is someone is in swimmers on a towel or blanket on the rocks, and it looks like they are eating something, I’d hardly call that hardly exercising. Where is the outrage for these breaches of public health orders?

What if one of the paddlers is a child of the other 2..

Spot on mate. They're not really together anyway. The person on the rocks might have just finished a swim and is sitting having a protein bar. But I'm sure the guy in the hat on the rocks is a Russian spy carrying secrets of Australia's nuclear missile program.

It’s funny how people can make excuses for breaches when it’s the northern beaches that are involved.

They've had their lockdown, how about giving them a break.

 

[hank37w]

It's simple, if you don't wanna get vaccinated don't expect the same privileges as the Vaxxed when we open back up again.

Lol, have to sit at the back of the bus eh?

Not sure how one could enforce this.

You will not be on the bus !

Make him get on the bus and sit next to Ivan.

 

[hobbo1]

A QR code is a restriction?

Only if your names happy and you have a dumb phone

 

[Harvey]

More blame shifting
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/wilcannia-covid-crisis-governments-sidestep-responsibility-as-response-to-outbreak-labelled-a-joke

 

[Cultured_Bogan]


These are the stats that I was pointing to. 5 deaths fully vaxed and many serious cases are not the numbers I expected from fully vaccinated individuals, we were told vaccination virtually eliminates getting very sick and considering Australia's relatively low case numbers this wouldn't conform to most people view of a high degree of protection sadly imo. AZ has also been responsible for 7 deaths and 10s of people seriously ill maybe permanently so just in Australia this year.

So can't see the issues some of you may have with my views. Unfortunately, vaxed or not doesn't seem I'm going to feel fully protected when things open hopefully.

And that to me is a failure, to think in this day and age with all the technology available we are walking around with masks like it's 1920.

Currently 17,999 active cases in NSW. 27 fully vaccinated people are in hospital. that is 0.15% chance of ending up hospitalised if you contract COVID and are fully vaccinated.

EDIT: I originally quoted the total state numbers, not current actives.

Sorry to say but your maths is wrong.

You need to know how many of the 17999 active cases are vaccinated to work out the chance of being hospitalised and vaccinated but catch Covid.

Secondly, your figure of 27 people was correct as of 14/08/2021 but I dont think is current? If so we need to used the total active cases for 14/08/2021 which was 7781, not 17999.

Based on that data the number of fully vaxxed people with Covid is 194. 27 in hospital out of 194 represents 14% which is higher than I would have anticipated and higher than the unvaccinated (890 out of 7587) at 12%.

This gets back to the weird situation I was discussing the other day that on bare numbers of people in hospital, once you have contracted COVID there doesnt seem to be an advantage to vaccination however when you factor in the prophylactic nature of the vaccine, it makes a much bigger difference.

On the 14/08/2021 approx 20% of Aus was fully vaccinated (https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=OWID_WRL) so if we use that figure for NSW, then of the 917 people in hospital, if the vaccine had zero effectiveness at preventing hospitalisation, you would anticipate 183 fully vaccinated people in hospital, but there isnt, there was only 27. You are 6.7 x less likely to end up in hospital if you are fully vaccinated which equates to a vaccine effectiveness (VE) for hospitalisation of 85% which is a fair bit less than the UK quoted VE.

Yeah true I didn't consider that. Fundamental error lol.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

A QR code is a restriction?

Your right only a surveillance tool which can lead to restrictions if one has been earshot of a positive case even though vaccinated.

 

[Tim Sheens]

It's simple, if you don't wanna get vaccinated don't expect the same privileges as the Vaxxed when we open back up again.

How far are you meaning to go with this? Denying jobs for non vax people? Getting a bit like the American south or Germany in the 30's. It's very dangerous as history shows when you say some people are more worthy than others.
I say this as someone who has had his first jab...waiting for the next. But as a lover of history nothing good has ever come from discrimination of any form.

It's complex. Double dosed and not sure on where I stand yet on such nor possible extent, but you don't need to look any further than across the ditch for comparison, as Australia has form in these areas, with not much better policy than the American south segregation wise and had a little slavery as well.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Ahhh, a new warrior has entered the battle dome.

Fight well @Magpie_Magic.

I just highlighted a few truths that have been backed up which may have enlightened some because I fear that life has changed for us all perhaps permanently.
I just read CMO in NSW saying vacines, social distancing and by extension QR codes and general oppression lasting many years even with vacines.

I'm spooked.

I hope they will let us protest after 80% vaccinated otherwise the real battle has been lost !

Truths backed up by what? You're way behind the 8-ball on providing anything of factual or scientific basis in this thread

Really.

I highlighted that some have died fully vaxed and were very sick.
Nobody seemed to be aware.
Is that not factual?

Still waiting on your factual information regarding fully vaxxed in ICU?

You will be waiting a VERY long time I fear.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/29/nsw-covid-update-1218-infections-mark-worst-day-yet-as-pressure-on-hospitals-grow

You have it

 

[Geo]

A QR code is a restriction?

Your right only a surveillance tool which can lead to restrictions if one has been earshot of a positive case even though vaccinated.

Surveillance tool.. you wouldn’t by chance be posting using a phone ?

 

[Tim Sheens]

I Fear life does not return to normal once vaccinated. Thats my point re relative vaccine efficacy, real risks of virus small vaccine risk.
Let's hope vaccinated persons have the right to protest at 80% vaccinated .

Maybe they will if they check in and keep the 4sq rule. That way the police can keep a dossier on people perhaps.

As a matter of interest how do people on here feel about authoritarian restrictions continuing past an 80% vaccinated rate? I always thought once this happens life reverts fully back to normal, everyone has had an opportunity to vaccinate .......But seems we hear oppression goes on .

Do vaccination status have to be updated every 6 months?

I would say yes .. have the booster and your status continues, this will be the case for a few years I reckon.

Well if this state of affairs continues for another few years even when vaccinated that is very sad indeed.

Seems "democracy " is changing sadly

No, it seems like that has nothing to do with democracy. If you don't like what they're doing then vote for someone else. Then when they turn around and do the same thing you can realise that you actually don't like democracy because the majority are against you.

So even if nearly everyone if vaccinated you feel restrictions must go on?
If everyone is against me that's fine. Just didn't think people want restrictions for many years without right to protest.
But then some may prefer authoritarian regimes. That's their choice.

Seems an unreasonable binary to me without considering the right parameters.

If everyone is vaccinated and hospitalisations and deaths are reduced to something approximating influenza deaths or similar, I cant see the need for the restrictions to continue.

IF "everyone" is vaccinated but deaths and hospitalisations continue to rise past what the health system can accomodate, I would think we would have to second guess that?

I hope your right but only today NSW top doctor and premier mentioned QR codes and restrictions will continue into the future. There will always be some level of virus around so the excuse for restrictions will remain if they choose.

I personally would prefer total freedom past 80% whatever case numbers. That's what initially was mentioned.
We must have faith in the vaccines.

The 80% crap we have had basically force fed into us by Gladys and the PM since they created this current situation is only 64% of the total population.

80% of the actual population has for mine some chance of working to an extent that is palatable to me for opening fully or close to it, whilst privilege for the fully vaccinated such as myself at 54% (70% jargon) definitely is not. Particularly when many will have not had the opportunity to have had both doses, let alone the possibility of choice.

 

[swag_tiger]

If a private company wants to open to vaxxed people only then they have every right to do that. Probably will be the case with my places imo.

 

[tigertye]

Anyone else seen the clips (Channel 9 News from memory) going around of a few people in hospital talking about their struggles after contracting covid and some saying their families have all caught it too, etc, etc.

People now posting photos of these people as actors.

Bit weird and pretty suss.

 

[jadtiger]

More blame shifting
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/31/wilcannia-covid-crisis-governments-sidestep-responsibility-as-response-to-outbreak-labelled-a-joke

Interesting that the main blunderer in NSW(Hazzard) is allocating blame on Scamo and his incompetent crew.I can see a potential "blame" race starting here between 2 useless governments.The tragedy of it all is that innocent lives are at risk in an area where they permanently struggle any way.
Once again indigenous Australians are the losers

 

[jadtiger]

Anyone else seen the clips (Channel 9 News from memory) going around of a few people in hospital talking about their struggles after contracting covid and some saying their families have all caught it too, etc, etc.

People now posting photos of these people as actors.

Bit weird and pretty suss.

I doubt very much if there is any validity to the "actor" scenario this sounds so much like the line from the right wing of politics in the USA last year and this year supported by Fox/Sky news.Unfortunately this is just desperation attempts to hide culpability and push conspirancy agenda

 

[pawsandclaws1]

St George Hospital yesterday opened a third Covid intensive care ward. Wollongong Hospital Covid intensive care filled with residents from the South West. It looks like St George is going the same way.

 

[nuggetron]

A QR code is a restriction?

absolutely it is!
as much a restriction as a doorhandle to get into the shops

 

[nuggetron]

Anyone else seen the clips (Channel 9 News from memory) going around of a few people in hospital talking about their struggles after contracting covid and some saying their families have all caught it too, etc, etc.

People now posting photos of these people as actors.

Bit weird and pretty suss.

i've seen the posts saying the lady was an actor
didn't realise actors had an immunity to covid!
didn't a today or sunrise host get covid too? wouldn't that be a conspiracy too?

 

[tigertye]

Anyone else seen the clips (Channel 9 News from memory) going around of a few people in hospital talking about their struggles after contracting covid and some saying their families have all caught it too, etc, etc.

People now posting photos of these people as actors.

Bit weird and pretty suss.

i've seen the posts saying the lady was an actor
didn't realise actors had an immunity to covid!
didn't a today or sunrise host get covid too? wouldn't that be a conspiracy too?

?‍♂️ I’m just noting that it’s strange that some of the people interviewed in hospital with covid have been identified as potentially being actors using other names. Not creating a conspiracy theory. But I saw the photos and just think it’s a bit off that mainstream media might be circulating misleading information to push agendas. It just opens your eyes a bit.

I just think that this type of stuff is what gives people concerns and makes people anxious about the whole covid situation.

Bloody hell, you can’t even make a general comment or have a discussion about things these days without people insinuating your some sort of conspiracy theorist when that’s not the case at all.

 

[nuggetron]

Anyone else seen the clips (Channel 9 News from memory) going around of a few people in hospital talking about their struggles after contracting covid and some saying their families have all caught it too, etc, etc.

People now posting photos of these people as actors.

Bit weird and pretty suss.

i've seen the posts saying the lady was an actor
didn't realise actors had an immunity to covid!
didn't a today or sunrise host get covid too? wouldn't that be a conspiracy too?

?‍♂️ I’m just noting that it’s strange that some of the people interviewed in hospital with covid have been identified as potentially being actors using other names. Not creating a conspiracy theory. But I saw the photos and just think it’s a bit off that mainstream media might be circulating misleading information to push agendas. It just opens your eyes a bit.

I just think that this type of stuff is what gives people concerns and makes people anxious about the whole covid situation.

Bloody hell, you can’t even make a general comment or have a discussion about things these days without people insinuating your some sort of conspiracy theorist when that’s not the case at all.

that wasn't a shot at you
it was my response to the facebook believers

yes it looks bad but they were also all selected as middle eastern representatives for the large area that is getting smacked by covid and with minimal uptake in the vaccines

there's plenty of decisions that government/media etc are making that you just scratch your head and think why? but at the same time why would someone go around looking up a 2 bit actress and say that's her, therefore covid is fake or whatever conclusion they want to draw.

if it was an ad agencies agenda to hire someone to sell the vaccine and fake that they are a covid victim imagine the pay packet required to make sure the people you interview/trial definitely take the job and definitely keep their mouths shut.

 

[Tiger5150]

Ahhh, a new warrior has entered the battle dome.

Fight well @Magpie_Magic.

I just highlighted a few truths that have been backed up which may have enlightened some because I fear that life has changed for us all perhaps permanently.
I just read CMO in NSW saying vacines, social distancing and by extension QR codes and general oppression lasting many years even with vacines.

I'm spooked.

I hope they will let us protest after 80% vaccinated otherwise the real battle has been lost !

Truths backed up by what? You're way behind the 8-ball on providing anything of factual or scientific basis in this thread

Really.

I highlighted that some have died fully vaxed and were very sick.
Nobody seemed to be aware.
Is that not factual?

Still waiting on your factual information regarding fully vaxxed in ICU?

You will be waiting a VERY long time I fear.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/29/nsw-covid-update-1218-infections-mark-worst-day-yet-as-pressure-on-hospitals-grow

You have it

Hey we got there. Good work, so we have established that you were correct on a fully vaxxed case in ICU, possibly less on the "***every day***".

Whilst we are looking at the information you posted, 126 in intensive care, 1 double vaxxed. At roughly 30% double vaxxed rate of population at this date, we would expect 38 but there is 1, which equates to 97.4% vaccine effectiveness from ICU.