Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tucker]

Hope everyone is safe and yes I do mean everyone

I hope everyone is safe as well. That is why I push the vaccine though. I'm worried about my dad especially and he is doubly vaxxed.

I definitely hope all the unvaxxed are safe. I wouldn't wish a bad COVID experience on any of them.

We should stop and think though what these anti-vaccine arguments lead too in the worst case scenario. There are people in their 30's and 40's dying with young families simply because they didn't get vaccinated.

@Earl the majority of the 30 to 40 unvaxed recovered from COVID without hospitalisation also though

I agree but some die. If they had just taken the vax they probably live.

I'm going to drum this point in again:-

Florida:- 60,197 deaths so far.
Australia:- 1,805 deaths so far

--Florida has a smaller population than Australia. The problem is that a higher percentage of people refuse to get vaccinated plus they complain about any lockdowns.

Just to add to that point Australia's biggest killer is heart disease with about 18,000 deaths per year. COVID is a big killer if you don't take the right action.

How many people die of the flu in Australia each year for comparison?

Thanks for your support Eyeofthetiger...
If you type in duckduckgo search engine....then bitchute..
search..Restored republic via a GCR special report as of Nov 10 2021..this may enlighten some peoples way of thinking ...its purely up to the individual....
some of the info is from the USA military working with some civillians...keep an open mind and keep safe mate...

Just watched it mate and believe every bit of it. We need to get @earl to watch it

I don't think I'm going to convince anyone and I honestly don't care now that we have high vaccination rates.

Haha yes this is a good point. The high vax rates all but extinguishes arguments from the tinfoil brigade.

 

[JD Tiger]

COVID is not a beat up at all. The best way for me to prove that is to use Florida as an example. Something like 50k or 60k deaths with a population smaller than Australia and probably better health care. Their problem is really simple - a low vaccination rate and some silly idea they have of freedom.

Actually, Florida is a high vaxx state with 80% of over 12's and 99% of 65+, so this “it was lack of vaxx” argument doesn't hold water.

Moreover, summer seasonal hospitalization and deaths in Florida were worse in 2021 than in 2020. (Summer is the season for respiratory illness in the tropics.)

Florida doesn't fit the narrative.

I haven't looked at the data, so I'm just speculating here.
But I imagine timing would be a consideration.

Florida may have a high vaccination rate now, but were they predominantly pro-vaccination from the start of he covid breakout?

And that's a good point about the summer hospitalisation rates, as that is likely another very relevant factor.

 

[fibrodreaming]

They look to be turning the corner now. I assume it’s vaccinations plus immunity developed from contracting the virus.

I think seasonality is coming into play as well in Florida.

I believe we need to reconsider our assumption that once the vaccine rollout reaches a critical mass we will see a reduction in Covid cases. This is not consistently borne out overseas.

This paper is very interesting: "Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/

The researchers find that:

"At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association **such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people**. (My emphasis)

I assume this lack of correlation is because vaccine effectiveness wanes over time and reaches zero after about 6 months. See the following paper: "Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccination Against Risk of Symptomatic Infection, Hospitalization, and Death Up to 9 Months: A Swedish Total-Population Cohort Study".

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3949410

The paper finds that: "Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic Covid-19 infection wanes progressively over time across all subgroups, but at different rate according to type of vaccine, and faster for men and older frail individuals. The effectiveness against severe illness seems to remain high through 9 months, although not for men, older frail individuals, and individuals with comorbidities. **This strengthens the evidence-based rationale for administration of a third booster dose**."

It's clear we are not going to vaccinate our way to population immunity with these leaky vaccines and I don't agree with the above conclusion that it strengthens the case for boosters.

Lining up the population of the world for a shot every six months may be a great business model for big pharma, but there is already good evidence that it will not be conducive for our long term health.

 

[earl]

Lining up the population of the world for a shot every six months may be a great business model for big pharma, but there is already good evidence that it will not be conducive for our long term health.

Your post was awesome but I haven't seen any evidence that the COVID vaccines are not conducive for our long term health. Everything I've seen says the complete opposite.

I'm repeating myself on this point but I believe if we need 6 monthly vaccines going forward the anti-vaxxer crowd get a win. It doesn't sound right to me. My opinion is that this isn't going to happen though. I reckon 3-5 shots and then no more. Even this booster isn't mandatory but I'm taking it.

The thing is we still have to wait and see how the next 6 months to 2 years evolves.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

It certainly greatly improves your chances.

‘Lol’.

Maybe. But you could be one of the unlucky ones, that ends up in hospital. Careful what you say cause karma can come back and bite you. Don’t make a mockery of other people misfortune.

**You** make a mockery of those who have lost family members due to this virus. Some of whom are posting on this topic - right now.

And YOU want to attempt taking the high ground and talk about karma, and then post endless streams of anti-vax rubbish?

Wake up to yourself.

Old mate effectively **quit** his job, which is always cause for celebration.

Anyway, I'm sure he'll find his feet and land another job straight away. By the looks of things he's thoroughly qualified in vaccine research and a number of other highly specialised clinical fields. No doubt all the other epidemiologists are spending bucketloads of time looking at 'bitchute' to refine their modelling and recommended approaches for the future.

 

[mike]

COVID is not a beat up at all. The best way for me to prove that is to use Florida as an example. Something like 50k or 60k deaths with a population smaller than Australia and probably better health care. Their problem is really simple - a low vaccination rate and some silly idea they have of freedom.

Actually, Florida is a high vaxx state with 80% of over 12's and 99% of 65+, so this “it was lack of vaxx” argument doesn't hold water.

Moreover, summer seasonal hospitalization and deaths in Florida were worse in 2021 than in 2020. (Summer is the season for respiratory illness in the tropics.)

Florida doesn't fit the narrative.

Not sure where you are getting those figures from but as of 8th Nov 2021 only 69% of the state have had a single dose and only 60% of the state is double vaccinated.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/florida

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Who cares about Florida.

HINT: Go and look at how well NSW is doing since 'opening up'.

HINT[2]: For those that can't be bothered: very, very well. That's almost solely due to the impressively high vaccination rates your state has achieved; the most onerous restrictions have been lifted.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

What an absolute dumpster fire.

 

[Tiger5150]

Who cares about Florida.

HINT: Go and look at how well NSW is doing since 'opening up'.

HINT[2]: For those that can't be bothered: very, very well. That's almost solely due to the impressively high vaccination rates your state has achieved; the most onerous restrictions have been lifted.

the number is slowly rising but nowhere near as quickly as I thought it would....260 new cases yesterday.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

It certainly greatly improves your chances.

‘Lol’.

Maybe. But you could be one of the unlucky ones, that ends up in hospital. Careful what you say cause karma can come back and bite you. Don’t make a mockery of other people misfortune.

**You** make a mockery of those who have lost family members due to this virus. Some of whom are posting on this topic - right now.

And YOU want to attempt taking the high ground and talk about karma, and then post endless streams of anti-vax rubbish?

Wake up to yourself.

Old mate effectively **quit** his job, which is always cause for celebration.

Anyway, I'm sure he'll find his feet and land another job straight away. By the looks of things he's thoroughly qualified in vaccine research and a number of other highly specialised clinical fields. No doubt all the other epidemiologists are spending bucketloads of time looking at 'bitchute' to refine their modelling and recommended approaches for the future.

Mate, I’m awake. Are you? You effectively were taking the piss out of the bloke.

 

[Guest]

That's enough thanks guys.

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

That's enough thanks guys.

Copy that

 

[earl]

COVID is not a beat up at all. The best way for me to prove that is to use Florida as an example. Something like 50k or 60k deaths with a population smaller than Australia and probably better health care. Their problem is really simple - a low vaccination rate and some silly idea they have of freedom.

Actually, Florida is a high vaxx state with 80% of over 12's and 99% of 65+, so this “it was lack of vaxx” argument doesn't hold water.

Moreover, summer seasonal hospitalization and deaths in Florida were worse in 2021 than in 2020. (Summer is the season for respiratory illness in the tropics.)

Florida doesn't fit the narrative.

Not sure where you are getting those figures from but as of 8th Nov 2021 only 69% of the state have had a single dose and only 60% of the state is double vaccinated.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/florida

You have to be careful with these comparisons. They are I think 80% single vaxxed or something like that. The figure you are quoting I think are total population.

 

[mike]

COVID is not a beat up at all. The best way for me to prove that is to use Florida as an example. Something like 50k or 60k deaths with a population smaller than Australia and probably better health care. Their problem is really simple - a low vaccination rate and some silly idea they have of freedom.

Actually, Florida is a high vaxx state with 80% of over 12's and 99% of 65+, so this “it was lack of vaxx” argument doesn't hold water.

Moreover, summer seasonal hospitalization and deaths in Florida were worse in 2021 than in 2020. (Summer is the season for respiratory illness in the tropics.)

Florida doesn't fit the narrative.

Not sure where you are getting those figures from but as of 8th Nov 2021 only 69% of the state have had a single dose and only 60% of the state is double vaccinated.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/florida

You have to be careful with these comparisons. They are I think 80% single vaxxed or something like that. The figure you are quoting I think are total population.

The total population matters.

 

[Rugba]

COVID is not a beat up at all. The best way for me to prove that is to use Florida as an example. Something like 50k or 60k deaths with a population smaller than Australia and probably better health care. Their problem is really simple - a low vaccination rate and some silly idea they have of freedom.

Actually, Florida is a high vaxx state with 80% of over 12's and 99% of 65+, so this “it was lack of vaxx” argument doesn't hold water.

Moreover, summer seasonal hospitalization and deaths in Florida were worse in 2021 than in 2020. (Summer is the season for respiratory illness in the tropics.)

Florida doesn't fit the narrative.

Not sure where you are getting those figures from but as of 8th Nov 2021 only 69% of the state have had a single dose and only 60% of the state is double vaccinated.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/florida

You have to be careful with these comparisons. They are I think 80% single vaxxed or something like that. The figure you are quoting I think are total population.

But is that 80% figure 16+ , I had seen elsewhere previously USA figures quoted and it was 18+

 

[earl]

COVID is not a beat up at all. The best way for me to prove that is to use Florida as an example. Something like 50k or 60k deaths with a population smaller than Australia and probably better health care. Their problem is really simple - a low vaccination rate and some silly idea they have of freedom.

Actually, Florida is a high vaxx state with 80% of over 12's and 99% of 65+, so this “it was lack of vaxx” argument doesn't hold water.

Moreover, summer seasonal hospitalization and deaths in Florida were worse in 2021 than in 2020. (Summer is the season for respiratory illness in the tropics.)

Florida doesn't fit the narrative.

Not sure where you are getting those figures from but as of 8th Nov 2021 only 69% of the state have had a single dose and only 60% of the state is double vaccinated.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/florida

You have to be careful with these comparisons. They are I think 80% single vaxxed or something like that. The figure you are quoting I think are total population.

The total population matters.

It definitely does but people are comparing different stats. You've provided total population. @fibrodreaming provided eligible population. It's effectively the same number viewed through a different lens.

We have been significantly stricter in our approach and the result has been close to 60k saved lives. That is pretty clear cut evidence to me that relatively we've done exceptionally well via following the science.

I think @fibrodreaming is stating a little different argument. I think he is stating that Florida is relatively highly vaccinated compared to other countries/states/whatever. My take is that he is correct but the difference between our approach and theirs has still led to a lot of deaths. There is a more nuanced discussion about how many booster shots to take in the future as well as other stuff.

 

[earl]

But is that 80% figure 16+ , I had seen elsewhere previously USA figures quoted and it was 18+

Honestly mate I don't have a clue. I don't think that level of detail matters. You view it subjectively as well. I mean is NSW 94% rate exceptional ? In my opinion NSW is significantly higher vaccinated than Florida and with much less cases.

 

[Tiger5150]

COVID is not a beat up at all. The best way for me to prove that is to use Florida as an example. Something like 50k or 60k deaths with a population smaller than Australia and probably better health care. Their problem is really simple - a low vaccination rate and some silly idea they have of freedom.

Actually, Florida is a high vaxx state with 80% of over 12's and 99% of 65+, so this “it was lack of vaxx” argument doesn't hold water.

Moreover, summer seasonal hospitalization and deaths in Florida were worse in 2021 than in 2020. (Summer is the season for respiratory illness in the tropics.)

Florida doesn't fit the narrative.

Not sure where you are getting those figures from but as of 8th Nov 2021 only 69% of the state have had a single dose and only 60% of the state is double vaccinated.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/florida

You have to be careful with these comparisons. They are I think 80% single vaxxed or something like that. The figure you are quoting I think are total population.

But is that 80% figure 16+ , I had seen elsewhere previously USA figures quoted and it was 18+

I dont know with regards the stats, but US are vaccinating 12+ at the moment.

 

[mike]

COVID is not a beat up at all. The best way for me to prove that is to use Florida as an example. Something like 50k or 60k deaths with a population smaller than Australia and probably better health care. Their problem is really simple - a low vaccination rate and some silly idea they have of freedom.

Actually, Florida is a high vaxx state with 80% of over 12's and 99% of 65+, so this “it was lack of vaxx” argument doesn't hold water.

Moreover, summer seasonal hospitalization and deaths in Florida were worse in 2021 than in 2020. (Summer is the season for respiratory illness in the tropics.)

Florida doesn't fit the narrative.

Not sure where you are getting those figures from but as of 8th Nov 2021 only 69% of the state have had a single dose and only 60% of the state is double vaccinated.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/florida

You have to be careful with these comparisons. They are I think 80% single vaxxed or something like that. The figure you are quoting I think are total population.

The total population matters.

It definitely does but people are comparing different stats. You've provided total population. @fibrodreaming provided eligible population. It's effectively the same number viewed through a different lens.

We have been significantly stricter in our approach and the result has been close to 60k saved lives. That is pretty clear cut evidence to me that relatively we've done exceptionally well via following the science.

I think @fibrodreaming is stating a little different argument. I think he is stating that Florida is relatively highly vaccinated compared to other countries/states/whatever. My take is that he is correct but the difference between our approach and theirs has still led to a lot of deaths. There is a more nuanced discussion about how many booster shots to take in the future as well as other stuff.

With only 60% fully vaccinated means that 40% aren’t. That’s not a highly vaccinated state and saying Florida is, is spreading misinformation. It also means that those 40% are vulnerable, or are carriers or worse incubators for a new variant.

 

[earl]

COVID is not a beat up at all. The best way for me to prove that is to use Florida as an example. Something like 50k or 60k deaths with a population smaller than Australia and probably better health care. Their problem is really simple - a low vaccination rate and some silly idea they have of freedom.

Actually, Florida is a high vaxx state with 80% of over 12's and 99% of 65+, so this “it was lack of vaxx” argument doesn't hold water.

Moreover, summer seasonal hospitalization and deaths in Florida were worse in 2021 than in 2020. (Summer is the season for respiratory illness in the tropics.)

Florida doesn't fit the narrative.

Not sure where you are getting those figures from but as of 8th Nov 2021 only 69% of the state have had a single dose and only 60% of the state is double vaccinated.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/florida

You have to be careful with these comparisons. They are I think 80% single vaxxed or something like that. The figure you are quoting I think are total population.

The total population matters.

It definitely does but people are comparing different stats. You've provided total population. @fibrodreaming provided eligible population. It's effectively the same number viewed through a different lens.

We have been significantly stricter in our approach and the result has been close to 60k saved lives. That is pretty clear cut evidence to me that relatively we've done exceptionally well via following the science.

I think @fibrodreaming is stating a little different argument. I think he is stating that Florida is relatively highly vaccinated compared to other countries/states/whatever. My take is that he is correct but the difference between our approach and theirs has still led to a lot of deaths. There is a more nuanced discussion about how many booster shots to take in the future as well as other stuff.

With only 60% fully vaccinated means that 40% aren’t. That’s not a highly vaccinated state and saying Florida is, is spreading misinformation. It also means that those 40% are vulnerable, or are carriers or worse incubators for a new variant.

Florida have 70% one dose vaccine per total population. Australia has 75%. It's not a huge difference in just the straight numbers.

Stating those figures though gives a false impression because Delta has gone rampant through Florida whereas we have handled it via lockdowns and relatively much quicker vaccination rates and especially in areas where the outbreaks occurred.

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/
https://ourworldindata.org