Cricket Season Thread

[Cultured_Bogan]

Should be scrutiny over the replacement keeper rule too. A bit ordinary that Pant was able to stay off the field to let a better keeper in Saha take the field, only for Pant whom is a better bat to return and nearly crack a ton. Clearly his elbow wasn't in that bad shape.

The match referee OK'd it since keeping involves diving around and since the injury was still so fresh. Definitely looks sus but any team would've done this.

Yeah, I would like the rule fixed to ensure it doesn't happen again. Saha is a superior keeper and Pant is the better bat. They effectively played with 12 players. Maybe teams need to have a back up keeper in their 11.

I wouldn't be happy with us exploiting the rule either for the record. It's not necessarily cheating because it is within the rules but it is very much not in the spirit of the game.

I don't think Pant was in any physical shape to keep yesterday considering he had gone for scans the night before. Today he batted simply because he had to.

For the future, I am happy with this rule as a wicket keeper is a specialist position, losing a wickie seriously handicaps you, but the replacement keeper shouldn't be allowed to bat. Not having a wicketkeeper pretty much nullifies your spinner's wicket taking ability IMO.

I think if you trade a keeper out, that's it. He's out for the game. Saha should have completed the game for India.

But he isn't in the 11? Replacing an injured fielder is common practice but 12th/13th man is never allowed to bat/bowl. I don't know what else any other team would've done. It's a good rule and especially good when a wickie gets injured.

So they had a better keeper out there and they still got the best of Pant's better ability to bat? They were at a distinct advantage. Pant wouldn't have caught COVID in hotel quarantine.

It's not cheating because it's within the rules but that was certainly questionable. Perhaps one of the other 11 need to be a back up keeper ala Phil Hughes. If you trade out your keeper he should not return to the game. You can field a substitute keeper but your injured keeper shouldn't be allowed to bat. If you get special dispensation for a keeper you should give up the injured keeper to bat. You don't get to replace an injured strike bowler or batsman, they get field substitution and that's it.

 

[happy_tiger]

Should be scrutiny over the replacement keeper rule too. A bit ordinary that Pant was able to stay off the field to let a better keeper in Saha take the field, only for Pant whom is a better bat to return and nearly crack a ton. Clearly his elbow wasn't in that bad shape.

The match referee OK'd it since keeping involves diving around and since the injury was still so fresh. Definitely looks sus but any team would've done this.

Yeah, I would like the rule fixed to ensure it doesn't happen again. Saha is a superior keeper and Pant is the better bat. They effectively played with 12 players. Maybe teams need to have a back up keeper in their 11.

I wouldn't be happy with us exploiting the rule either for the record. It's not necessarily cheating because it is within the rules but it is very much not in the spirit of the game.

I don't think Pant was in any physical shape to keep yesterday considering he had gone for scans the night before. Today he batted simply because he had to.

For the future, I am happy with this rule as a wicket keeper is a specialist position, losing a wickie seriously handicaps you, but the replacement keeper shouldn't be allowed to bat. Not having a wicketkeeper pretty much nullifies your spinner's wicket taking ability IMO.

I think if you trade a keeper out, that's it. He's out for the game. Saha should have completed the game for India.

But he isn't in the 11? Replacing an injured fielder is common practice but 12th/13th man is never allowed to bat/bowl. I don't know what else any other team would've done. It's a good rule and especially good when a wickie gets injured.

So they had a better keeper out there and they still got the best of Pant's better ability to bat? They were at a distinct advantage. Pant wouldn't have caught COVID in hotel quarantine.

It's not cheating because it's within the rules but that was certainly questionable. Perhaps one of the other 11 need to be a back up keeper ala Phil Hughes. If you trade out your keeper he should not return to the game. You can field a substitute keeper but your injured keeper shouldn't be allowed to bat. If you get special dispensation for a keeper you should give up the injured keeper to bat. You don't get to replace an injured strike bowler or batsman, they get field substitution and that's it.

Yeah agree with Bogs ...we are really starting to screw with the rules in a bad way

Much like when Blocker Wilson told the Australians that in his opinion a batsmen wasn't playing a shot before they decided to go upstairs

These blokes are experienced and ugly enough to work it out for themselves

 

[TheDaBoss]

Enjoyed that tour against India , some nice moments for both sides.... as for aome certain commentators...who ruined some of it with stupid comments...yeah

 

[happy_tiger]

And stick a fork in Lyon, he’s done.

Surprise...you showed up..

And surprise ....Gary 2nd innings wasn't great and you are defending him ...what did Skull call him ..one trick pony

 

[Furious1]

India is better than us. That is all.

 

[Tiger5150]

India is better than us. That is all.

How do you parse that? We lead by 94 first innings, and second innings they were 5/334, we were 6/312. Split match between them as far as I see. I back our tail against theirs.

Benign track and India fought hard but I dont see how they dominated at all during the game.

 

[Furious1]

India is better than us. That is all.

How do you parse that? We lead by 94 first innings, and second innings they were 5/334, we were 6/312. Split match between them as far as I see. I back our tail against theirs.

Benign track and India fought hard but I dont see how they dominated at all during the game.

I should have elaborated. I'm talking in general. It's far from their strongest line up and yet we are struggling to get over them on home turf. IMO if both sides are at full strength they are better than us at the moment.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I think one aspect is being overlooked - no footy on the SCG for months and they couldn’t deliver a pitch that could get a result (again!!)

 

[happy_tiger]

Langer himself might need to open the innings in Brisbane

 

[happy_tiger]

I think one aspect is being overlooked - no footy on the SCG for months and they couldn’t deliver a pitch that could get a result (again!!)

it was weird ...Day 3 the pitch was either keeping low or jumping ftom a length..yet day 5 it was a highway basically

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

India is better than us. That is all.

How do you parse that? We lead by 94 first innings, and second innings they were 5/334, we were 6/312. Split match between them as far as I see. I back our tail against theirs.

Benign track and India fought hard but I dont see how they dominated at all during the game.

I should have elaborated. I'm talking in general. It's far from their strongest line up and yet we are struggling to get over them on home turf. IMO if both sides are at full strength they are better than us at the moment.

I'm inclined to agree with Furious. They have lost Yadav, Shami, & Kohli. It appears that Vihari will probably miss Brisbane now. Jadeja probably also out (who I rate more than Ashwin.) They've put up a very good fight despite the circumstances.

We don't get the biscuits in Brisbane there needs to be a serious review. There probably should be anyway as Paine's captaincy should in Sydney was very questionable.

We have some big holes to fill. We need to openers, a good #5 and we should be looking for the next spinner as Lyon is 33 and while I'm not ready to put a fork in him yet, the search should be on for his successor. Starc is seriously off the boil as well.

 

[Don Kershane]

If Tim Paine isn’t dropped after this series Australia is kidding themselves

He is only there because he isn't Steve Smith just like Morrison is there because he is not Dutton.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

I think one aspect is being overlooked - no footy on the SCG for months and they couldn’t deliver a pitch that could get a result (again!!)

I think we've become accustomed to results in Test cricket over the last decade or so. But a gritty draw after 5 days can be just as enteraining as a 2 or 3 day result, in my opinion.

I'm more disppointed that Tim Paine resorted-to-type as an Australian Cricket captain with his sledging of players and abuse of the umpire. That makes me lose interest in cricket more than the 5-day draw.

Yep I largely agree with your points.
I get frustrated with Sydney because it’s the test I attend live and so often I sit and watch a days batting of 3-350 or something like that.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Good Test matches should see an average of 8 wickets and 260-280 runs daily.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Do like the prospects of Pukovski and Green that we unearthed in test

 

[tig_prmz]

Should be scrutiny over the replacement keeper rule too. A bit ordinary that Pant was able to stay off the field to let a better keeper in Saha take the field, only for Pant whom is a better bat to return and nearly crack a ton. Clearly his elbow wasn't in that bad shape.

The match referee OK'd it since keeping involves diving around and since the injury was still so fresh. Definitely looks sus but any team would've done this.

Yeah, I would like the rule fixed to ensure it doesn't happen again. Saha is a superior keeper and Pant is the better bat. They effectively played with 12 players. Maybe teams need to have a back up keeper in their 11.

I wouldn't be happy with us exploiting the rule either for the record. It's not necessarily cheating because it is within the rules but it is very much not in the spirit of the game.

I don't think Pant was in any physical shape to keep yesterday considering he had gone for scans the night before. Today he batted simply because he had to.

For the future, I am happy with this rule as a wicket keeper is a specialist position, losing a wickie seriously handicaps you, but the replacement keeper shouldn't be allowed to bat. Not having a wicketkeeper pretty much nullifies your spinner's wicket taking ability IMO.

I think if you trade a keeper out, that's it. He's out for the game. Saha should have completed the game for India.

But he isn't in the 11? Replacing an injured fielder is common practice but 12th/13th man is never allowed to bat/bowl. I don't know what else any other team would've done. It's a good rule and especially good when a wickie gets injured.

So they had a better keeper out there and they still got the best of Pant's better ability to bat? They were at a distinct advantage. Pant wouldn't have caught COVID in hotel quarantine.

It's not cheating because it's within the rules but that was certainly questionable. Perhaps one of the other 11 need to be a back up keeper ala Phil Hughes. If you trade out your keeper he should not return to the game. You can field a substitute keeper but your injured keeper shouldn't be allowed to bat. If you get special dispensation for a keeper you should give up the injured keeper to bat. You don't get to replace an injured strike bowler or batsman, they get field substitution and that's it.

Pant's ability to bat was a hit and miss. I am confident with the blow (he even dropped the painkiller he was taking) that he wouldn't have been able to keep. He could've easily gotten out taking on the bowlers but he got lucky.

I think the rule change is good as it doesn't allow a distinct disadvantage of not having a wickie. This time it worked out because Pant played a good innings but in most situations a clearly injured player wouldn't have been able to.

 

[tig_prmz]

People are being too tough on the bowling attack. The pitch gave them nothing and the second half of the day, India stopped scoring runs. Paine's captaincy left a bit to be desired as it wasn't attacking enough. Green and Marnus should've been utilised more.

In the same breath, India has played out of its skin. Ishant Sharma out of the series, Shami only played one game, Yadav gone in the middle of the innings, Kohli played 1 game, Vihari pulled hammie, Ashwin back pain and hit in the ribs, Jadeja broken thumb. Great resilience.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Should be scrutiny over the replacement keeper rule too. A bit ordinary that Pant was able to stay off the field to let a better keeper in Saha take the field, only for Pant whom is a better bat to return and nearly crack a ton. Clearly his elbow wasn't in that bad shape.

The match referee OK'd it since keeping involves diving around and since the injury was still so fresh. Definitely looks sus but any team would've done this.

Yeah, I would like the rule fixed to ensure it doesn't happen again. Saha is a superior keeper and Pant is the better bat. They effectively played with 12 players. Maybe teams need to have a back up keeper in their 11.

I wouldn't be happy with us exploiting the rule either for the record. It's not necessarily cheating because it is within the rules but it is very much not in the spirit of the game.

I don't think Pant was in any physical shape to keep yesterday considering he had gone for scans the night before. Today he batted simply because he had to.

For the future, I am happy with this rule as a wicket keeper is a specialist position, losing a wickie seriously handicaps you, but the replacement keeper shouldn't be allowed to bat. Not having a wicketkeeper pretty much nullifies your spinner's wicket taking ability IMO.

I think if you trade a keeper out, that's it. He's out for the game. Saha should have completed the game for India.

But he isn't in the 11? Replacing an injured fielder is common practice but 12th/13th man is never allowed to bat/bowl. I don't know what else any other team would've done. It's a good rule and especially good when a wickie gets injured.

So they had a better keeper out there and they still got the best of Pant's better ability to bat? They were at a distinct advantage. Pant wouldn't have caught COVID in hotel quarantine.

It's not cheating because it's within the rules but that was certainly questionable. Perhaps one of the other 11 need to be a back up keeper ala Phil Hughes. If you trade out your keeper he should not return to the game. You can field a substitute keeper but your injured keeper shouldn't be allowed to bat. If you get special dispensation for a keeper you should give up the injured keeper to bat. You don't get to replace an injured strike bowler or batsman, they get field substitution and that's it.

Pant's ability to bat was a hit and miss. I am confident with the blow (he even dropped the painkiller he was taking) that he wouldn't have been able to keep. He could've easily gotten out taking on the bowlers but he got lucky.

I think the rule change is good as it doesn't allow a distinct disadvantage of not having a wickie. This time it worked out because Pant played a good innings but in most situations a clearly injured player wouldn't have been able to.

He is markedly a better bat than Saha. The guy averages nearly 41, which is a very good average for a keeper and is a prolific hitter, pretty sure he strikes at like 72.

Like I said, I am OK with teams being able to field a replacement keeper if it is deemed a specialist position, but if you sub out a keeper, he cedes his ability to bat. You keep your 11 fielders but you lose your batsman to an injury. That is what would happen if you lose a batsman anyway. You sub them in the field and they don't bat.

India gained an advantage IMO from a rule that is merely meant to prevent disadvantage. We can argue until the cows come home on the outcome if he didn't bat but he had a marked impact on the innings with a supposed injured elbow. Again, it is within the rules and they played within them so I am in no way claiming wrongdoing, but I believe the rule needs looking at.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

People are being too tough on the bowling attack. The pitch gave them nothing and the second half of the day, India stopped scoring runs. Paine's captaincy left a bit to be desired as it wasn't attacking enough. Green and Marnus should've been utilised more.

In the same breath, India has played out of its skin. Ishant Sharma out of the series, Shami only played one game, Yadav gone in the middle of the innings, Kohli played 1 game, Vihari pulled hammie, Ashwin back pain and hit in the ribs, Jadeja broken thumb. Great resilience.

Yes, a lot of credit has to be given to India. Even if Australia win this series, it'll be always under question whether if would have been as achievable with Shami, Yadav, Kohli & now Jadeja and Vihari not seeing out the series.