Cricket Season Thread

Pascoes_barber said:
Bairstow attempted exactly the same thing on day 3.

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Any keeper that says they wouldn’t do what Carey did is a liar.
That just proves how average Bairstow is, and how much better Carey is as a keeper.
Bairstow has been terrible and has cost them valuable runs. Where Carey’s keeping is improving by the second to the point he is changing the game with his quality input.
 
pawsandclaws1 said:
If anyone wants a good laugh read the comments at the UK Mirror. Lots of tongue in cheek and what you would expect from people bred from convicts. You have to admire the UK sense of humour🙂

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"Pathetic" Australia met with fury over controversial Jonny Bairstow dismissal

England batsman Jonny Bairstow was dismissed in controversial circumstances on day five of the second Ashes test at Lord's, leading Piers Morgan and a host of raging others to slam Australia
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Yep, first thing I did today was check out what all the pommie tabloids had to say. They are always good for entertainment.
 
supercoach said:
Personally I did not like the appeal, but like Starc’s no catch there are rules that cover these situations and if you don’t get yourself in these situations you will not have a problem.

What I don’t like is the hypocrisy displayed by people who should know better and have form themselves . I can understand the fans going off, we would do the same, but a lot of so called experts should pull their heads in
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I was surprised with how many ex international players who don’t know the actual wording of the laws. Hussein and Athertons reactions showed why they were captains. McGraths emotional reaction on starcs catch surprised me. I guess he was a fast bowler though lol.
 
My two cents:
1. Starc one was not out 100%. The first thing you get taught is to put your hands under the ball. This isn't the first time Starc has been caught making a mistake like this. This is one of the most basic fielding skills you master is that you get your hand under the ball.

2. I just saw the Bairstow runout. At first I thought it was a stumping but Bairstow was actually always in his crease and he walked off milliseconds before the keeper caught the ball. In fact he actually marked centre before leaving as well. I actually think it was unsportsmanlike of Australia to get a wicket like that. This wasn't like a Mankad where the batsman is getting an unfair advantage. Bairstow wasn't taking an advantage and these instances probably happen hundreds of times in a game and this run out should not be normalised.

As for the Poms whinging, I absolutely love it. Hate their holier than thou attitude and esp since I saw the whole Bairstow/Labuschagne and Baz/Murali thing. But just because they tried to do it doesn't justify us doing it.
 
My two cents:

1. The Starc catch was bullshit. I understand that he was still moving and there is a pedantic rule in place, but he had 100% completed that catch before the ball touched the grass. No reasonable person on the planet would look at that catch and think it’s not out.

2. Bairstow was not only fairly given out, but Australia did the right thing by enforcing it. This guy is an elite cricketer who constantly walks out of his crease. That was very clever work by Carey who is turning into a very good gloves-man for us. He does not deserve this crap he is copping.

3. The absolute hypocrisy of people like Stokes, Broad, Bairstow and McCullum has really surprised me. These morons aren’t just virtue signalling to get the crowds behind them, they actually believe what they are saying!
All 4 of these guys have plenty of form in pushing boundaries to gain competitive advantage. Their stances are embarrassing. Bairstow’s wordless handshaking with his opposition made him look like a petulant child…but let’s all forget, he tried this exact same stumping on day 3 to get Marnus out. Broad has a far bigger stain on his name.

4. This reaction is all due to the fact that this English side has underestimated our squad and have over estimated ‘Bazball’. Had Australia taken all of its chances in the field, we win by hundreds of runs. We are clearly the better side and they know their chances of winning this series is largely over. The famous English weather hasn’t impeded this series as much as normal yet…a drawn series is their best result possible, which will also give Australia the Ashes. They are in big strife and they all know it.

5. Style over substance doesn’t work against such a good side as Australia. Even during Stokes’s amazing innings, he gave 5 chances to get him out. Our good batsmen give you one or two at most. I’ve also been amused at people calling him a batsman. He is a power slogger. If he was a batsman, he would have taken advantage of our offside bowling lines and helped himself to the plethora of opportunities to score boundaries on that side of the field. He looked almost lost at sea when we stopped gifting him shots in his preferred zones. Our top 6 would have won that game hitting through the offside.
 
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tig_prmz said:
My two cents:
1. Starc one was not out 100%. The first thing you get taught is to put your hands under the ball. This isn't the first time Starc has been caught making a mistake like this. This is one of the most basic fielding skills you master is that you get your hand under the ball.

2. I just saw the Bairstow runout. At first I thought it was a stumping but Bairstow was actually always in his crease and he walked off milliseconds before the keeper caught the ball. In fact he actually marked centre before leaving as well. I actually think it was unsportsmanlike of Australia to get a wicket like that. This wasn't like a Mankad where the batsman is getting an unfair advantage. Bairstow wasn't taking an advantage and these instances probably happen hundreds of times in a game and this run out should not be normalised.

As for the Poms whinging, I absolutely love it. Hate their holier than thou attitude and esp since I saw the whole Bairstow/Labuschagne and Baz/Murali thing. But just because they tried to do it doesn't justify us doing it.
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The Starc Catch: Fair dismissal, Starc held on to it for so long he decided to use it as a taboggin.

The brainless Bairstow: Fair dismissal, every batsmen knows the keeper is up to this kind of thing, that’s why Bsirstow has that stupid look on his face, he knows it.
And any keeper not trying this on is not having a go as a keeper.
 
Agree with your summation Mr Face. The Starc catch was so out it's not funny. About 40 years ago I was umpiring one of my son's under 10 games. As it was his first year he didn't know all the rules. He kept wandering out of his crease. I could see their keeper looking to run him out so I had a quiet word to my son at the end of the over. First ball of the next over the ball goes through to the keeper and my son wanders out of his crease again and the keeper runs him out. I had to give him out. He's in tears but it was the right call.
He still plays A grade today at age 48 and has never made that mistake again. It's a fundamental batting rule that's so easy to follow. Don't wander around until the ball is dead.
 
coivtny said:
Agree with your summation Mr Face. The Starc catch was so out it's not funny. About 40 years ago I was umpiring one of my son's under 10 games. As it was his first year he didn't know all the rules. He kept wandering out of his crease. I could see their keeper looking to run him out so I had a quiet word to my son at the end of the over. First ball of the next over the ball goes through to the keeper and my son wanders out of his crease again and the keeper runs him out. I had to give him out. He's in tears but it was the right call.
He still plays A grade today at age 48 and has never made that mistake again. It's a fundamental batting rule that's so easy to follow. Don't wander around until the ball is dead.
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Now that is quality teaching right there.
No participation awards in our day.
Does he still bring it up at BBQ’s? 😁
 
Buttface said:
The Starc Catch: Fair dismissal, Starc held on to it for so long he decided to use it as a taboggin.

The brainless Bairstow: Fair dismissal, every batsmen knows the keeper is up to this kind of thing, that’s why Bsirstow has that stupid look on his face, he knows it.
And any keeper not trying this on is not having a go as a keeper.
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Maybe we just value two different things in cricket. To me, Starc's was a clear not-out. Maybe because that was drilled into me so much as a kid.

As for Bairstow, there was never any emphasis growing up on staying in your crease until ump calls the ball dead. The thing about that dismissal is that it wasn't like he was batting out of crease, he wasn't losing his balance, he didn't accidentally go out of crease. I understand Carey stumping him but I think the appeal should have been withdrawn. I don't even think it was careless by Bairstow and in fact I can imagine a lot of keepers now just catching and throwing it in one motion in case the batsman is stepping out of crease.

Stepping out of crease is a very grey area which Aussies took advantage of. I don't agree with getting someone out in that way personally but as I said it depends on what you focussed on as kids and this was never something my coaches focussed on. They did focus on making sure that you ask permission before handling the ball, but stepping out of crease was always 'assumed'.
 
20 years of coaching and playing cricket - over not over till the umpire calls it.
No issues with it at all. Heard it a billion times - as a batsman, stay in ya crease .
Starc - mmm probably out, he had clear control of the ball, but the rule does say body has to be under control as well....
 
tig_prmz said:
Maybe we just value two different things in cricket. To me, Starc's was a clear not-out. Maybe because that was drilled into me so much as a kid.

As for Bairstow, there was never any emphasis growing up on staying in your crease until ump calls the ball dead. The thing about that dismissal is that it wasn't like he was batting out of crease, he wasn't losing his balance, he didn't accidentally go out of crease. I understand Carey stumping him but I think the appeal should have been withdrawn. I don't even think it was careless by Bairstow and in fact I can imagine a lot of keepers now just catching and throwing it in one motion in case the batsman is stepping out of crease.

Stepping out of crease is a very grey area which Aussies took advantage of. I don't agree with getting someone out in that way personally but as I said it depends on what you focussed on as kids and this was never something my coaches focussed on. They did focus on making sure that you ask permission before handling the ball, but stepping out of crease was always 'assumed'.
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Considering both sides have attempted stumpings in this way, would you consider it a reasonable call to say that these cricketers HAVE been brought up to stay in their crease until the ball is dead? I have seen all the cricketing superpowers attempt stumpings like this over the years and the commentary has always been “lucky that missed or he was out”.
The silence from other nations is deafening…
 
tig_prmz said:
Maybe we just value two different things in cricket. To me, Starc's was a clear not-out. Maybe because that was drilled into me so much as a kid.

As for Bairstow, there was never any emphasis growing up on staying in your crease until ump calls the ball dead. The thing about that dismissal is that it wasn't like he was batting out of crease, he wasn't losing his balance, he didn't accidentally go out of crease. I understand Carey stumping him but I think the appeal should have been withdrawn. I don't even think it was careless by Bairstow and in fact I can imagine a lot of keepers now just catching and throwing it in one motion in case the batsman is stepping out of crease.

Stepping out of crease is a very grey area which Aussies took advantage of. I don't agree with getting someone out in that way personally but as I said it depends on what you focussed on as kids and this was never something my coaches focussed on. They did focus on making sure that you ask permission before handling the ball, but stepping out of crease was always 'assumed'.
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It wasn’t focused on but it was certainly taught to me as a keeper to be watching for it. So therefore I feel it is a viable dismissal. As a batsman I was taught the opposite don’t wander around without your brain or the keeper will get you. This dismissal is not grey to me.
The Starc catch, I was watching at the time, great catch that got me off my seat, but TBH I did think to myself will the ump deem he has control for long enough? Then after watching a replay I could tell he had complete control of the ball after catching it and enough time to autograph it.
But we wanna keep it simple yeah? If you can’t explain it to a 10 year old then the rules might need changing?
I take that back, the rules don’t need changing just the interpretation.
 
Buttface said:
It wasn’t focused on but it was certainly taught to me as a keeper to be watching for it. So therefore I feel it is a viable dismissal. As a batsman I was taught the opposite don’t wander around without your brain or the keeper will get you. This dismissal is not grey to me.
The Starc catch, I was watching at the time, great catch that got me off my seat, but TBH I did think to myself will the ump deem he has control for long enough? Then after watching a replay I could tell he had complete control of the ball after catching it and enough time to autograph it.
But we wanna keep it simple yeah? If you can’t explain it to a 10 year old then the rules might need changing?
I take that back, the rules don’t need changing just the interpretation.
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Fair enough but I still don't think he was "wandering". He was stable, ducked under the ball, stood up, marked centre and then walked out.

As for the Starc catch, something I forgot to add earlier was that these catches are usually not an issue as the low catches usually happen in the slips where the slip cordon is usually taught very well and they're usually not moving. Tired fast bowlers and outfielders have a habit of catching the ball and using the ball to push off the ground to stand up. An advantage can be taken if we do implement this rule where you'll see people diving for a catch and then using the ground to hold on to the ball. Starc didn't do that but we have to draw a line somewhere and I'm happy with that line being drawn at the body moving.

I think the rules are simple still and if it isn't already all kids need to be taught that permission needs to be seeked if you're going out of your crease and when catching the ball, you should never let the ball touch the ground at any point.
 
tig_prmz said:
Maybe we just value two different things in cricket. To me, Starc's was a clear not-out. Maybe because that was drilled into me so much as a kid.

As for Bairstow, there was never any emphasis growing up on staying in your crease until ump calls the ball dead. The thing about that dismissal is that it wasn't like he was batting out of crease, he wasn't losing his balance, he didn't accidentally go out of crease. I understand Carey stumping him but I think the appeal should have been withdrawn. I don't even think it was careless by Bairstow and in fact I can imagine a lot of keepers now just catching and throwing it in one motion in case the batsman is stepping out of crease.

Stepping out of crease is a very grey area which Aussies took advantage of. I don't agree with getting someone out in that way personally but as I said it depends on what you focussed on as kids and this was never something my coaches focussed on. They did focus on making sure that you ask permission before handling the ball, but stepping out of crease was always 'assumed'.
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This is a great discussion. I think the way you were brought up playing makes a huge difference to our opinion.

I was drilled always ground your bat after every ball and over. It’s another way to get out and you can get out so just get back in your crease. Same reason why I think mankads are fair. If you try and steel a base in baseball it’s a risk of getting out. For me starcs catch is out too. Maybe they need to revise the wording or something if people are upset?

If we teach our kids the actual laws and play sport in general with a positive attitude then all this rubbish goes away.

Look where the arbitrary “spirit of cricket” has taken the image of the game. Everyone comes out feeling yucky. Poms are still reeling from 2 losses and are pointing the finger everywhere else other than themselves. Boohoo to them.
 
Tiger-ferret said:
This is a great discussion. I think the way you were brought up playing makes a huge difference to our opinion.

I was drilled always ground your bat after every ball and over. It’s another way to get out and you can get out so just get back in your crease. Same reason why I think mankads are fair. If you try and steel a base in baseball it’s a risk of getting out. For me starcs catch is out too. Maybe they need to revise the wording or something if people are upset?

If we teach our kids the actual laws and play sport in general with a positive attitude then all this rubbish goes away.

Look where the arbitrary “spirit of cricket” has taken the image of the game. Everyone comes out feeling yucky. Poms are still reeling from 2 losses and are pointing the finger everywhere else other than themselves. Boohoo to them.
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Agree it has much to do with the way we are taught and I do not entirely disagree with @tig_prmz view I can see where he’s coming from same place as me, our basic principles and teachings.
I wasn’t happy about the Starc catch but you can see the grey area it’s about interpretation of control, I believe he had full control before he slides the ball, others don’t.
Bairstow deserved what he got, he was being a lazy cricketer again and got found out by a better one.
The Poms should be showing the kids how to handle this with honour and without all the petulant shifting of blame. If Bairstiw was half decent he’d come out and own it.
 
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