@stryker said:
3 DVD disc set…
I like Ritchie's comment...Only 2 or 3 players in the world could take that catch and make it look so easy...
And what about Wato's bowling...again last night....very effective.....
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3 DVD disc set…
I like Ritchie's comment...Only 2 or 3 players in the world could take that catch and make it look so easy...
And what about Wato's bowling...again last night....very effective.....
Marshall_magic
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This Pakistan team is one of the worst teams I have ever seen come out to Australia. I'd back the Poms side from the last Ashes here to wipe the floor with them. No heart, no passion, and apart from 3 or 4 of them, no skill.
T20 13 man squad has been announced:
Michael Clarke (capt)
Cameron White (vc)
Shane Watson
Shaun Marsh
David Warner
Travis Birt
David Hussey
Steven Smith
Brad Haddin (wk)
Mitchell Johnson
Ryan Harris
Dirk Nannes
Shaun Tait
Is it just me or is Shaun Tait the most overrated bowler in Australia? He can barely bowl 4 overs and he goes for heaps of runs, he doesnt pick up the wickets he used to either. Im not sure if Bollinger is injured but id have him in there instead, I think in the T20 Champions League he went at 4.70 rpo. Im a bit surprised Hauritz isnt there but Smith is and Hussey, Clarke and White can bowl some overs anyway.
Michael Clarke (capt)
Cameron White (vc)
Shane Watson
Shaun Marsh
David Warner
Travis Birt
David Hussey
Steven Smith
Brad Haddin (wk)
Mitchell Johnson
Ryan Harris
Dirk Nannes
Shaun Tait
Is it just me or is Shaun Tait the most overrated bowler in Australia? He can barely bowl 4 overs and he goes for heaps of runs, he doesnt pick up the wickets he used to either. Im not sure if Bollinger is injured but id have him in there instead, I think in the T20 Champions League he went at 4.70 rpo. Im a bit surprised Hauritz isnt there but Smith is and Hussey, Clarke and White can bowl some overs anyway.
TheSunTanSuperman
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Nah Bollinger aint injured.
Let's hope Aus selectors don't get carried away with Ryan Harris. Granted he has performed very well with what is infront of him, but let's not forget that he is/was fresh as a daisy coming into this series, playing a group of players who by the time Harris came into the series, had simply had enough and wanted to go home.
Let's hope Aus selectors don't get carried away with Ryan Harris. Granted he has performed very well with what is infront of him, but let's not forget that he is/was fresh as a daisy coming into this series, playing a group of players who by the time Harris came into the series, had simply had enough and wanted to go home.
@Marshall_magic said:
Disagree…you aren't giving our blokes nearly enough credit there.
The Paki's have played as well as they have been allowed to.
They should have won that second test and at least two one dayers. They showed a little bit of disrepect to our group in the way that some times - at critical stages - they were guilty of taking their foot off the pedal.
The experienced guys in the team... Ponting, Clarke, Hussey and Haddin dont miss a beat when it comes to this and along with some outstanding individual performances, are the reason both series were white washes.
I actually thought that the Huss was a little ripped off in not recieving MOS for the one dayers...... What do you reckon Suntan?
@TheSunTanSuperman said:
Yeh and also Harris domestic one day record is actually pretty poor, avg of 35 i think before he came into this series with 1 5-for in his entire career.
Still it just shows that stats dont always tell the full story. Good to see the bloke take his chance with both hands!
I didnt think he'd do much but I was wrong by a long shot.
TheSunTanSuperman
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@Jazza said:
He's definently done enough to retain his place in the 13 man squad for this series. But today I saw Carl Rackemann come out and say he should be in the test side for the ashes. That is just ridiculous.
Funny thing aswell, the people who say Lee is finished because of his age fail to realise someone like Harris is only 2 years younger than him.
The thought of Harris playing in this years Ashes isn't as far-fetched as it sounds with all the injuries to the quick bowlers. Lee, Clark, Hilfenhaus, Geeves and Siddle are all out and Bracken is just returning. With Bollinger and Johnson the 2 probably preferred quicks anyway, the selectors are looking for a new ball bowler who can probably bowl long spells as well. Harris swings the white ball both ways, whether he can do the same with a red ball is another question. Mackay is the other option but he wasn't the most impressive at the WACA in his test debut. There aren't too many other options outside the injured brigade who could perform. Nannes is a short-form specialist though possibly the best option.
I think Australias lack of depth when fully fit is middle order batsman and of course the spinner. We have a plethra of openers and keeping options. We are getting close to double figure preferences in regards to quick bowling but they are still performing well.
Middle order batsman that aren't in the mid-30s are almost non-existant. Hodge, Carseldine and Dave Hussey are strong performers but too old to be considered to have a decent test career. Ferguson was doing well before getting injured though he does lack the big scores in the longer form. North has struggeled but with no-one demanding his spot he will probably hold it. Shaun Marsh doesn't instill confidence and Voges never stepped-up. I am not to sure where the likes of Birt and Bailey sit in the scene but I don't think they have done enough yet. It many be the next generation after that with Khawaja and Mitch Marsh that are given the chances if they can score runs in a similar vein to Hughes.
Spin bowling is where there is no depth at all. Hauritz got confidence from the ODIs and has since improved steadily where he now plays a role and isn't protected so to speak. McGain didn't show anything and Casson has disappeared. Kresja should be the number 2 unless Hollond is doing something I have missed. The other states are lucky to play spinners.
I think Australias lack of depth when fully fit is middle order batsman and of course the spinner. We have a plethra of openers and keeping options. We are getting close to double figure preferences in regards to quick bowling but they are still performing well.
Middle order batsman that aren't in the mid-30s are almost non-existant. Hodge, Carseldine and Dave Hussey are strong performers but too old to be considered to have a decent test career. Ferguson was doing well before getting injured though he does lack the big scores in the longer form. North has struggeled but with no-one demanding his spot he will probably hold it. Shaun Marsh doesn't instill confidence and Voges never stepped-up. I am not to sure where the likes of Birt and Bailey sit in the scene but I don't think they have done enough yet. It many be the next generation after that with Khawaja and Mitch Marsh that are given the chances if they can score runs in a similar vein to Hughes.
Spin bowling is where there is no depth at all. Hauritz got confidence from the ODIs and has since improved steadily where he now plays a role and isn't protected so to speak. McGain didn't show anything and Casson has disappeared. Kresja should be the number 2 unless Hollond is doing something I have missed. The other states are lucky to play spinners.
Yeh I cant see Harris being in the Test side but, he's always at the batsmen and he bowls good pace so if he gets some chances at Shield level and does well, then he is a chance for the Ashes.
Mackay is probably still the next in line but he needs to learn to pitch it up more and try and get some swing rather then bowl short of a length gun barrel straight.
But we do have a lot of depth in our fast bowling, there's still the likes of Cutting, Walter, McDermott, Hazlewood, Peter George, Haberfield, J Pattinson, Hastings and Magoffin there. Most of those guys arent ready (Barring probably Magoffin) but maybe in the future.
Its funny our middle order used to be where we had the most depth, now its where we have the least amount of depth. Probably White is probably the next option for the Test side, Cosgrove has looked good since coming back, but really besides that, you'd have to say Khawaja is the only other option. You gotta remember we do have 2 middle order batsman opening the batting so we could easily slip one down the order if there's an injury and bring another opener in.
Sadly alot of our spinners around the country are turning into one day specialists. Aaron Heal, Xavier Doherty, Aaron O'brien and Chris Simpson are all in that category. O'Brien keeps Baily and Cullen out of the SA side because of his batting and Queensland dont have any other spinners besides Daniel Doran who is VERY ordinary. Really its a 2 way battle between Hauritz and Krezja, Smith is a batting allrounder and Holland is to young at the moment.
Im just wondering if one of our problems is we dont have enough state sides, 1 spinner per side, 6 sides, if a few of them drop off the radar we have almost no one. We cant really bring a Northern Territory side in because of monsoonal season, unless they play at Alice Springs which I cant see happening.
Mackay is probably still the next in line but he needs to learn to pitch it up more and try and get some swing rather then bowl short of a length gun barrel straight.
But we do have a lot of depth in our fast bowling, there's still the likes of Cutting, Walter, McDermott, Hazlewood, Peter George, Haberfield, J Pattinson, Hastings and Magoffin there. Most of those guys arent ready (Barring probably Magoffin) but maybe in the future.
Its funny our middle order used to be where we had the most depth, now its where we have the least amount of depth. Probably White is probably the next option for the Test side, Cosgrove has looked good since coming back, but really besides that, you'd have to say Khawaja is the only other option. You gotta remember we do have 2 middle order batsman opening the batting so we could easily slip one down the order if there's an injury and bring another opener in.
Sadly alot of our spinners around the country are turning into one day specialists. Aaron Heal, Xavier Doherty, Aaron O'brien and Chris Simpson are all in that category. O'Brien keeps Baily and Cullen out of the SA side because of his batting and Queensland dont have any other spinners besides Daniel Doran who is VERY ordinary. Really its a 2 way battle between Hauritz and Krezja, Smith is a batting allrounder and Holland is to young at the moment.
Im just wondering if one of our problems is we dont have enough state sides, 1 spinner per side, 6 sides, if a few of them drop off the radar we have almost no one. We cant really bring a Northern Territory side in because of monsoonal season, unless they play at Alice Springs which I cant see happening.
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@Jazza said:
What about an ACT/Canberra side? They used to have the Canberra Comets I think they were called, but I thnk that was only for one dayers.
@alien said:
Yeh I remember the comets back in the old mercantile mutual cup.
It wouldnt hurt to ease them into the Ford Ranger cup and then the Shield I guess and I dont think the quality of talent pool will lower, it might lower the average age of players playing first class cricket which isnt a bad thing anyway.
I mean Bryce McGain started playing regularly for the Vics at 35\. If there was a Canberra side, he couldve moved there and played at a younger age, or someone else from Victoria couldve moved there to give McGain a look in.
Aaron O'Brien, he left the Blues for SA, now that he's there, Bailey and Cullen arent getting a look in, if he went to a Canberra side, one of those guys would be playing for SA.
Beau Casson has disappeared, if he moved to a Canberra side he could be their frontline spinner whilst allowing Steve Smith to do a lot of bowling for NSW.
I think Canberra would also be good for players from country nsw and victoria, if they dont like the city life they can go to Canberra, add to that Canberra has a good little cricket ground too.
I dont really understand why they got rid of the comets, I can only think it was funding and also the comets werent that competitive.
Marshall_magic
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@stryker said:
Australia haven't played anywhere near as good as the results would imply. They did not win in Sydney, Pakistan lost that game. The one dayers further convinced me that Pakistan are hopeless. They struggle to bat out 50 overs, I think they did it once. Pathetic. Their best bat in the One Dayers was a glorified dirty slogger (Afridi), someone who's job is to come in late and add a quick fire 30-40 runs and turn their score into a winning score, instead he's come in and had to get them to 100 runs for the innings. A few of their young quicks have done very well (Aamer and Asif), but most of their side are attrocious. I am still not sold that we will win the Ashes back next year playing like we did. England are 100 times better than Pakistan.
Juro
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The biggest indicator of Pakistan's problems is their fielding. They have some talented bowlers but the chances they make are thrown away. Also, they give away too many runs in sloppy fielding. If they tightened that up, they would be much more competitive.
@Jazza said:
How's that.,…...
Pakis cant bat for........
All out....73 you watch.......
Beau_Ryan_Winger
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Cmon Aussie
Great win!!!
Some ferocious bowling from the quicks…..
It makes me laugh how people continually write the side off...a bloke could be forgiven for thinking some of you dont even watch the game.
This australian side has something special about it, the poms are in big trouble marshal....
Some ferocious bowling from the quicks…..
It makes me laugh how people continually write the side off...a bloke could be forgiven for thinking some of you dont even watch the game.
This australian side has something special about it, the poms are in big trouble marshal....
@stryker said:
I agree 100%…Poms will get thrashed 5 nil......
I like Nannes.....he's a freak.....
Auusie mixing up the selections in the different forms of the game I like.....Come the ODI World Cup we will be No.1 again in all forms of the game....
Marshall_magic
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@stryker said:
Don't think there is much special about this Australian side. It's a pretty average Australian side compared to some of the special Australian sides. Pakistan made a good side look like world beaters. If we can perform well against some of the top teams in the world I will change my mind. In the past 7 test series we are 4 wins 3 losses, the 4 wins coming against New Zealand (H), SA (A)-a series we actually played very well in, West Indies (H) and Pakistan (H), only 1 series which is actually tough, and 3 pretty easy wins. Our 3 losses are against India (A), SA (H) and England (A), three of the 4 series which I would describe as tough.
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I thought Australia were going to lose that 20/20 match at one stage. Do you think Tait is a chance for the ashes series? I know it was only a 20/20 game but he looked on fire. Steve Smith the leg spinner looks ok too.
